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smoothballer

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Ok I'm gonna ramble here for a bit on what kinda game I'd like to see. I know it's not really possible that this game ever comes to reality, but it's fun to dream......and discuss....


I want a 3D fighting/shooting game with all the popular video game characters. I wanna see fights like Link vs Cloud, Master Chief vs Samus, Dante vs Ryu Hayabusa, Snake vs Sam, etc. But here’s the thing, I want each character to stay as true to their games as possible. For example: if you play as Master Chief you have to use first person view, and his controls would be as close to the Halo games as possible. You would also use the same health system and everything. It would be just like you’re playing Halo, except you’re fighting against different enemies. Then you could go play as Link, and assign weapons to different buttons, and do the auto jumping, and use “L-targeting,” just like in the Zelda series. I think this would be a really cool idea. It would be the most diverse fighting game ever. Each character would be so unique, and would control so differently. But now of course this concept wouldn’t apply to all characters. For instance Cloud Strife doesn’t have a real set of controls to go by. So perhaps his would be a combination of FF7, Kingdom Hearts, and Ehrgeiz. Certain characters like that would have original controls.

But what really interests me in this whole idea, is to see the top players from different games battle it out. Imagine the best Halo player in the world going up against the best Ninja Gaiden player in the world. Wouldn’t that be sweet? See the whole concept behind this, is to make players good with their respective characters. So if you’re good at Devil May Cry, then you’re gonna be good with Dante in this game. If you’re good at Splinter Cell, you’re gonna be good with Sam Fisher in this game, and so on. And also, this game would be great for settling those age old “who would win” debates.

Now the main problem with the game would be balance, more so then other fighting games. This is what I’m really unsure about. Obviously some characters would be much more powerful and easier to win with then others. I would want the game to be as balanced as it can be, but without taking away too much from the characters. Mainly, I would want all the balancing to be done by adjusting the hit damage and hit reactions. For example: When Master Chief gets hit in his game, he doesn’t flinch. He has no knockback. Perhaps that would need to be changed. Otherwise you wouldn’t be able to do any combos against him. Or maybe it would be more balanced if he stayed the same, I duno. But there are definitely instances where hit reactions would have to be changed, like if the character is briefly invincible after a hit. Also there’s the issue of how much damage each move should do. Should MC be able to kill anyone with one sniper shot to the head? Should Snake be able to break anyone’s neck with one grab? How much damage should every move do? How much damage should every character take? This is the area that I would want to be focused on in order to some what balance the game. Not by taking away weapons or moves from characters.

Speaking of weapons and moves, I would want each character to be at almost full power. The player should have choice of the characters weapons and items, or however it’s done in that character’s game. To use Chief as an example here again, if you pick him you would be able to choose any two (or 3 if you dual wield) weapons before the game starts. So you could pick Sniper and Rocket, or your sword and battle rifle, or whatever. You play as Link you can pick your fire or ice arrows and all that, you get your dins fire, full 20 hearts, maybe a fairy in a bottle, the whole shebang. You play as Samus you got all your canons, visors, screw attacks, morphball moves, everything. Now of course there would be a few tweaks here and there of which weapons and items to allow each character to have, but for the most part I want to see each character almost maxed out.


So yea, if anybody feels like discussing this, here’s some questions:
Do you think this game would succeed even if there were some major balance issues? (like 3 or 4 characters dominating the rest at high level play)
Would you buy this game? And enjoy it?
Do you like this idea? If not, why? What would you do to improve it?
And, if this game was actually made, who do you think would be the best character? Which character would you play as to give you the best chance of winning?

And oh, here’s a few characters I’d like to see in the game: (any other suggestions?)

1. Link
2. Samus
3. Master chief
4. Ryu hayabusa
5. Kratos
6. Solid Snake
7. Simon Belmont
8. Sam Fisher
9. Prince of Persia
10. Megaman X
11. Dante
12. Onimusha
13. Ryu
14. Sub-zero
15. Cloud
16. Joanna Dark
17. Shinobi
18. Rikimaru
19. Kain
20. Bloodrayne
21. Yoshimitsu
 

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Mario wasn't on that list so this idea instantly fails. By the way, this belongs in the Light House. You are sure to get ragged on here. Just a heads up. It is a nice concept though...
 

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The idea fails on multiple levels. Licensing aside, there is no way companies would put their characters in a game shared by 1st party characters of another. Master Chief will never take on Link because that would be MS advertising Nintendo. It's just foolish buisness-wise to even consider.

Secondly, having different controls, etc per character would make the game so large and clunky that no one new would be able to get into it. As great as FPSes are, there's a reason why there are no FPS fighting games. Master Chief would be ripped to shreds if he was stuck with a first person view while Dante, for example was able to do his stuff. When Dante does a flip, we can still see all around him. But, if ANYONE runs fast enough and gets behind Master Chief (the only example you put in FP-mode so I am using this one) then he can get quite a few hits.

Why not make an original game instead of just taking characters from other franchises?
 

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Lol well I'd play it I mean if it was ever made, it would be amusing at the least regardless of the reality lap CK just gave >_>
 

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Mario wasn't on that list so this idea instantly fails. By the way, this belongs in the Light House. You are sure to get ragged on here. Just a heads up. It is a nice concept though...

Yea, it would be kinda weird to see an all-star fighting game without Mario, but I would rather see only the more realistic characters in the game. I mean, could you imagine Mario having his neck snapped by Snake? Or his throat slit by Sam? Or being gutted by Kratos? It just wouldn't look right to me. But I dunno, I suppose it could work.
 

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I would think this kinda stuff up in third grade and have SUCH fun in the middle of class, daydreaming. Thanks for the nostalgia, smoothballer!
 

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The idea fails on multiple levels. Licensing aside, there is no way companies would put their characters in a game shared by 1st party characters of another. Master Chief will never take on Link because that would be MS advertising Nintendo. It's just foolish buisness-wise to even consider.

Secondly, having different controls, etc per character would make the game so large and clunky that no one new would be able to get into it. As great as FPSes are, there's a reason why there are no FPS fighting games. Master Chief would be ripped to shreds if he was stuck with a first person view while Dante, for example was able to do his stuff. When Dante does a flip, we can still see all around him. But, if ANYONE runs fast enough and gets behind Master Chief (the only example you put in FP-mode so I am using this one) then he can get quite a few hits.

Why not make an original game instead of just taking characters from other franchises?

While I will say that the idea could potentially fail in some areas (most notably balance), I disagree with your reasons.

1. Yea, most likely the companies would never consider anything like this.....unless the price is right. Money solves everything. If some billionaire wanted to make this game happen, he could. He would pay Microsoft and Nintendo and Sony and all the other companies as much as it would take. They'd all be making a profit from this game.

2. Yea, it would be hard for new players to get used to all the characters, but certain characters would be much more noob friendly then others. Like Link, anybody could pick him up and play with him. And one of the cool things about the game, is that players are only going to be good with a few characters. It's not like smash bros, where you know every characters moves. It would be deep and complex, and hard to get into every character.

3. And at 10 sensitivity, Master Chief can do a full 360 turn very fast. You can almost do two whole rotations in less then a second. So if you get attacked from behind with MC, it would be your own fault. But yea, there would be plenty of unfair things in the game, but I don't think that's one of them.
 

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Yea, it would be kinda weird to see an all-star fighting game without Mario, but I would rather see only the more realistic characters in the game. I mean, could you imagine Mario having his neck snapped by Snake? Or his throat slit by Sam? Or being gutted by Kratos? It just wouldn't look right to me. But I dunno, I suppose it could work.
Mario is already broken. He has fought demons, dragons, aliens, and freaking turtles. Dudes that can snap necks don't have much on him. He has already fought sword-wielders (excluding Smash) and always displays the same getting hurt but not bleeding look. Even you said some characters should be custom, not bleeding would be one custom attribute about him.:)
 

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While I will say that the idea could potentially fail in some areas (most notably balance), I disagree with your reasons.

1. Yea, most likely the companies would never consider anything like this.....unless the price is right. Money solves everything. If some billionaire wanted to make this game happen, he could. He would pay Microsoft and Nintendo and Sony and all the other companies as much as it would take. They'd all be making a profit from this game.
Except, you know, the billionaire would lose money. I guess he/she's rich enough to afford losing millions of dollars, but are you planning on becoming a billionaire, or crafty enough to get one to make a game like this for you?

2. Yea, it would be hard for new players to get used to all the characters, but certain characters would be much more noob friendly then others. Like Link, anybody could pick him up and play with him. And one of the cool things about the game, is that players are only going to be good with a few characters. It's not like smash bros, where you know every characters moves. It would be deep and complex, and hard to get into every character.
Coding this game would be very difficult, if every character is deep and complex like you say they'll be. For each character to have a completely different control for a completely different move, and still have the same play-style as their home games, you probably wouldn't be able to have 20+ characters like you seem to be planning.

3. And at 10 sensitivity, Master Chief can do a full 360 turn very fast. You can almost do two whole rotations in less then a second. So if you get attacked from behind with MC, it would be your own fault. But yea, there would be plenty of unfair things in the game, but I don't think that's one of them.
I don't think the problem is turning around as much as it is MC can't see what's behind him. While other characters(like Link for instance) can see everything around them, and can see more than what they would normally be able to see if they were in first person mode due to the unfair camera adjustment.


Overall, video games are fun to "make-up", but going further than that is pointless if the idea is just unrealistic. Still, *I* at least would play this game.
 

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1. Yea, most likely the companies would never consider anything like this.....unless the price is right. Money solves everything. If some billionaire wanted to make this game happen, he could. He would pay Microsoft and Nintendo and Sony and all the other companies as much as it would take. They'd all be making a profit from this game.
Negative. As soon as it comes to splitting the profits, that's where issues will come in. For example to put it on the Wii would be cheaper to put it on the PS3, but it will still cost NINTENDO money to license it for the Wii so they won't make as much profit off that version as Sony and Microsoft would and vice versa.

You forget this is a business. Nintendo doesn't want to help Sony or Microsoft and vice versa. You could offer them all a billion dollars each to produce the game (huge waste of money because you would never see that back) and they would still decline because no matter how you split it, every version would be pushing their competitors. And $1 billion here is nothing compared to the billions they could be helping their competitors earn.

A much more realistic idea woul be a mash-up of 3rd party characters, with 1st party characters on each console.
 

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Yea the third party idea would be more realistic. But still, with enough money, I really think you'd be able to pull off the mash-up of all 1st party characters. Let's say you have a guy who's worth 50 billion dollars. He pays each company just for the rights to their characters, just for one game. He's not paying them to make it, or produce anything. All he's buying is permission to use their characters. Say he pays Nintendo, Microsoft, and Sony 10 billion each, and another 15 to all the 3rd parties combined for these rights. So now his 50 billion is down to 5 billion. Him and his development team then spend a few million to make the game. He still has over 4 billion dollars left, and the game is about to go off the charts in sales. I mean think about it, EVERYBODY would buy this game. Halo fans would buy it, Zelda fans would buy it, Megaman fans, FF fans, etc. It would attract so many communities. Sales would be HUGE.
But back to the issue. Really, if you were Nintendo, and I came to you and said "I'll pay you ten BILLION dollars to let me use Link and Samus in my game," would you decline? There's no way. I mean, Nintendo didn't even make 10 billion in all of 2006, so they would be getting more then their year's income with just one licensing deal. This would be an offer they couldn't refuse. Am I right?

But of course all that is so unlikely to happen that it makes me feel stupid just talking about it. But hey, Bill Gates is worth that much. He likes video games. Maybe he'll do it! Yes!


Anyway, I didn't make this thread to talk about the financial details. I know the game will never happen, I just like to think and talk about it.

A couple other things:

Superman comment was mad funny. But it would be totally sweet to see Spiderman in this game. Perhaps the theme could be video games vs comic books?

And another thing about the FP issue, Master Chief and Samus have freaking radars. That would make up for their lack of peripheral and rear vision.
 

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Yea the third party idea would be more realistic. But still, with enough money, I really think you'd be able to pull off the mash-up of all 1st party characters. Let's say you have a guy who's worth 50 billion dollars. He pays each company just for the rights to their characters, just for one game. He's not paying them to make it, or produce anything. All he's buying is permission to use their characters. Say he pays Nintendo, Microsoft, and Sony 10 billion each, and another 15 to all the 3rd parties combined for these rights. So now his 50 billion is down to 5 billion. Him and his development team then spend a few million to make the game. He still has over 4 billion dollars left, and the game is about to go off the charts in sales. I mean think about it, EVERYBODY would buy this game. Halo fans would buy it, Zelda fans would buy it, Megaman fans, FF fans, etc. It would attract so many communities. Sales would be HUGE.
But back to the issue. Really, if you were Nintendo, and I came to you and said "I'll pay you ten BILLION dollars to let me use Link and Samus in my game," would you decline? There's no way. I mean, Nintendo didn't even make 10 billion in all of 2006, so they would be getting more then their year's income with just one licensing deal. This would be an offer they couldn't refuse. Am I right?

But of course all that is so unlikely to happen that it makes me feel stupid just talking about it. But hey, Bill Gates is worth that much. He likes video games. Maybe he'll do it! Yes!


Anyway, I didn't make this thread to talk about the financial details. I know the game will never happen, I just like to think and talk about it.

A couple other things:

Superman comment was mad funny. But it would be totally sweet to see Spiderman in this game. Perhaps the theme could be video games vs comic books?

And another thing about the FP issue, Master Chief and Samus have freaking radars. That would make up for their lack of peripheral and rear vision.
Super Mario Bros. sold more then any other SINGLE game and it only made slightly more then 40,000,000. You are saying that this one game alone can make more then 50 billion? You must not know business all that well...
 

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No, not everyone will be this game. For one thing, the depth alone would make it such a large game that it probably wouldn't even fit on a standard DVD thus taking the Wii and maybe even the 360 out of the race. Right there, you are blocking out people who would want to play this game.

And you are assuming alot. No one is going to give anyone 10 million dollars just to use a character or two, but less 10 BILLION dollars. There is no profit from that. The game just isn't realistic.
 

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Yea obviously the game wouldn't make anywhere near 50 billion dollars. I never said it would. I just said a lot of people would buy this game.

And Ck, If I had 50 billion dollars, thats how I would spend it. Who needs 50 billion dollars anyway? I'd still be a billionaire.
 

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Jeez, Crimson King is so ignorant about money. :rolleyes:

I know that if I had 50 billion dollars, I would spend it all on getting my dream game made, too. I don't want that much money and I bet that there aren't any charities that want it either! Hell, I think I'd just throw it all in a pile and set it on fire.
 

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I think you miss the concept of sarcasm.

Rev was explaining that a single video game isn't worth the money.

Hell, if you were THAT gung-ho about playing it, why not make it yourself for your own personal usage? It couldn't get public or be sold for a cent but you could definitely have it for yourself.
 

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Oh thanks rusty, now I don't need to buy Double Agent any more. You just saved me a whole lot of money!
 

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Yea so anywaaaaay, let's just say that this game was actually made. Who do yall think would be the best character? Who do you think would dominant all the tournaments?
 

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Thats actually not a bad idea with the characters fighting eachother and keeping the game syles but things like final fantasy is a rpg so how would that work and besides who could ever kill dante
 

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I mean think about it, EVERYBODY would buy this game. Halo fans would buy it, Zelda fans would buy it, Megaman fans, FF fans, etc. It would attract so many communities. Sales would be HUGE.
A lot of people wouldn't like the seemingly random and eclectic mixup of so many styles in one game.
 

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Thats actually not a bad idea with the characters fighting eachother and keeping the game syles but things like final fantasy is a rpg so how would that work and besides who could ever kill dante
I already said how Cloud and other characters like that would work in my original post.

And yes, Dante would be quite formidable. But I made a thread a while back pitting Dante vs Ryu, with gameplay in mind. And a bunch of people think Ryu would beat Dante. Here, read it. It's pretty interesting.

I also think Samus might be able to beat Dante. And so could Cloud, if he was made right. And so could several characters. It all depends on the player.
 

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A lot of people wouldn't like the seemingly random and eclectic mixup of so many styles in one game.
Would you not like it?

I think diversity is a good thing. The more the merrier, in my opinion.

But, it's not like this would be a traditional game in any sense. It would be different.

Anyway my point was, whether they end up liking it or not, is that the Halo fans are gonna buy it cuz a Master Chief, the Zelda fans are gonna buy it cuz a Link, and so on. I bought Soul Calibur 2 just because of Link, and I didn't really like it all that much, but I still bought it, just like almost every other Zelda fan did.

But see here's the thing, the Halo fan would buy the game and play as MC. He would feel at home and comfortable, and would be happy with the controls for his character. Most likely, he's gonna play as MC primarily whenever he plays this game, because that's what he's used to and that's the kinda gameplay he likes. He doesn't have to worry about the controls for other characters. He's a Halo player. For him, the game would be like the next Halo, except he's just fighting against completely different enemies. Now take all that and apply to it every character. A lot of people would be very happy and satisfied. I know I would.
 
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