Official Next Smash - Speculation & Discussion Thread

[Noipoi]

Here’s a question that I’m stuck on. If they ever do another Smash Ballot or something similar and we only get one vote, are you planning to vote for your absolute favorite character even if they’re not at all likely or would you narrow it down to characters you feel actually have a decent chance and vote for your favorite among those? I’m always kind of conflicted there because I feel like if I don’t vote for my favorite character, no one else will but that also kind of feels like throwing your vote away.

I'd have to vote for Waluigi

Just out of curiosity, who is your favorite Smash announcer? I think mine may have to be Dean Harrington from Melee because of his distorted voice. His pronunciations are a little bit strange, but I think that kind of adds to the charm.

I also think he has the best laugh both as Master Hand and Crazy Hand. He also had the most blood-curdling death scream. I mean, just listen to it… God…

Also, Melee's sound design is underrated IMO

Call me basic but I'm a Xander Mobus truther

 

[ninjahmos]

Just out of curiosity, who is your favorite Smash announcer? I think mine may have to be Dean Harrington from Melee because of his distorted voice. His pronunciations are a little bit strange, but I think that kind of adds to the charm.

I also think he has the best laugh both as Master Hand and Crazy Hand. He also had the most blood-curdling death scream. I mean, just listen to it… God…

Also, Melee's sound design is underrated IMO

I also think the way he says "Ganondorf" so unenthusiastically is hilarious.

I bet he was probably in the studio like "Ganondorf? Am I saying that right?" "What do you mean you're using that take?!"

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

As for Shadow using guns in Smash, I do like the idea of it being something he could take out during a battle with limited ammo, but making it flow well is another story. It could maybe be part of his Final Smash(even if it's just throwing it away cause he doesn't need it) or his victory screens. Even Sonic 3 goes in with this factor. He'll use whatever it takes to win.

That said, in his own game, he actually cannot use his Chaos Powers in the story till he gets a Chaos Emerald. He lost his memories, and that's part of what outright reawakens them. It's just him using what is a method that simply is available and works to get through the areas. Besides that, it might seem odd his physical attacks are weaker, but he can't really apply his true power of he doesn't remember how to use it correctly.

It's not really a great way they went about it, or even a good excuse. It's just a silly gameplay mechanic(which actually is pretty fun to use). But the justifications are decent enough as an excuse plot in itself. The actual game plot is a lot better, though(albeit, the multiple story options make it a lot weirder, but there does seem to be somewhat of a fairly canon-like route).

 

[Mushroomguy12]

If Tails ever gets into Smash, they should put a scene with him and Pikachu together in the reveal trailer just for lols.

 

[Hadokeyblade]

I just think Shadow is most likely because you can easily build him off of Sonic.

Keep the homing attack and one of the spin dashes, give him Joker/Arsene's up B with the Doom Wing and a counter for down b and your good.

 

[Noipoi]

Shadow is in the great position of being an incredibly iconic character who’s gotten a huge push recently while also being easy to make, considering they just have to tweak Sonic’s model and animations a bit.

 

[SharkLord]

I just think Shadow is most likely because you can easily build him off of Sonic.

Keep the homing attack and one of the spin dashes, give him Joker/Arsene's up B with the Doom Wing and a counter for down b and your good.

Actually the Doom Wing's just a glide. He does fly in some cutscenes so it's not completely out of the question, but in gameplay it's not anything like the Wings of Rebellion. I don't know where you got a counter from that, either; As far as I know Shadow doesn't have many counters. and either way theyre kinda overused at this point

Shadow is in the great position of being an incredibly iconic character who’s gotten a huge push recently while also being easy to make, considering they just have to tweak Sonic’s model and animations a bit.

And half of Sonic's animations are just the spinball so it's not like there's much to tweak in the first place

 

[Gengar84]

What does everyone think about Zero’s chances (from Mega Man X)? He’s shown he’s popular enough to earn both a Mii costume and an Assist Trophy and I think he’s got a ton of moveset potential. His only real downsides are that he hasn’t had much in the way of recent appearances in games to my knowledge and he’s got a lot of competition within Capcom. Of my top 10 most wanted, I feel like Zero is pretty far ahead in terms of likelihood.

 

[Guynamednelson]

And half of Sonic's animations are just the spinball so it's not like there's much to tweak in the first place

Building off of Sonic's assets will totally make it easier to make his own moveset totally have less
as well. Totally.

...you know, they were fine with replacing Wolf's nair with a generic sex kick, wonder if they think the same about Sonic just to make his moveset be less like that.

What does everyone think about Zero’s chances (from Mega Man X)? He’s shown he’s popular enough to earn both a Mii costume and an Assist Trophy and I think he’s got a ton of moveset potential. His only real downsides are that he hasn’t had much in the way of recent appearances in games to my knowledge and he’s got a lot of competition within Capcom. Of my top 10 most wanted, I feel like Zero is pretty far ahead in terms of likelihood.

His best advantage is if they find him pretty easy to make, considering all the sword animations they've made over the years. Zero's AT already seems like it's supposed to be a hybrid of Cloud and Roy anyway.

 

[Hadokeyblade]

Actually the Doom Wing's just a glide. He does fly in some cutscenes so it's not completely out of the question, but in gameplay it's not anything like the Wings of Rebellion. I don't know where you got a counter from that, either; As far as I know Shadow doesn't have many counters. and either way theyre kinda overused at this point

And half of Sonic's animations are just the spinball so it's not like there's much to tweak in the first place

Because i think this would be funny

 

[Laniv]

Again I gotta say: I would personally pick Tails because for every player 1, there must be a player 2.

Speaking of Player 2, Donkey Kong Land 2 is coming to NSO:

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

Honestly a steady stream of DK releases every week (Land III, GBA trilogy, Diddy Kong Racing, DK94, DK64) all leading up to Returns release in January would just feel perfect.

 

[Noipoi]

I hope the Switch ends up with literally every Donkey Kong game except a new one

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

I hope the Switch ends up with literally every Donkey Kong game except a new one

That's pretty much a given at this point. Most franchises were served well by the Switch; DK just happened to be one of the few that just wasn't so lucky. Every notable DK release ending up on there in some fashion would be some comfort.

 

[SharkLord]

Because i think this would be funny

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Y'know what you got me there

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Just out of curiosity, who is your favorite Smash announcer? I think mine may have to be Dean Harrington from Melee because of his distorted voice. His pronunciations are a little bit strange, but I think that kind of adds to the charm.

I also think he has the best laugh both as Master Hand and Crazy Hand. He also had the most blood-curdling death scream. I mean, just listen to it… God…

Also, Melee's sound design is underrated IMO

He also caused the creation of this gem

But personally, I do think Pat Cashman really nailed it when it comes to the announcer, but the Melee Hands are so good.

Xander is also good but we had two games in a row and he's pretty identical in both of them. It's time we got a new voice tbh.

 

[Guynamednelson]

he's pretty identical in both of them

Not only that, but he seems to be trying to imitate Pat Cashman's announcer voice, so to those who don't know otherwise they probably think there's been three games in a row with the same announcer. He's even close enough that they reused Cashman's clips for DK's Final Smash in 4.

that and they reused all the voice clips he did from Smash 4 anyway, so it's not just that he sounds identical, he literally is

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Not only that, but he seems to be trying to imitate Pat Cashman's announcer voice, so to those who don't know otherwise they probably think there's been three games in a row with the same announcer. He's even close enough that they reused Cashman's clips for DK's Final Smash in 4.

that and they reused all the voice clips he did from Smash 4 anyway, so it's not just that he sounds identical, he literally is

Yeah, Ultimate is just filled with asset reuse as a byproduct of making EIH real.

It does make Ultimate the only game where the announcer voices more than just that and the Hands though so it's pretty funny

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

Brain Age got added to Nintendo Music tonight.

Interestingly, it's the first non-current release (a la Mario Wonder) added to the app that also wasn't shown in the announcement video, which had Mario 64, Wii Sports, Skyward Sword, Wind Waker, DKC2, Splatoon 2, and F-Zero X.

 

[Ivander]

It does make Ultimate the only game where the announcer voices more than just that and the Hands though so it's pretty funny

So is Crazy Hand the shadow, the true self? Or is it Master Hand due to containing Master Core?

 

[GoldenYuiitusin]

Brain Age got added to Nintendo Music tonight.

Interestingly, it's the first non-current release (a la Mario Wonder) added to the app that also wasn't shown in the announcement video, which had Mario 64, Wii Sports, Skyward Sword, Wind Waker, DKC2, Splatoon 2, and F-Zero X.

I don't think Nintendo is allowed to promote anything about Brain Age anymore in the US without the FTC getting involved because they've been cracking down on any app or game that claims to have positive effect on cognitive health since 2016.

Which is likely why the Switch game in the franchise was released everywhere BUT the US.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

So is Crazy Hand the shadow, the true self? Or is it Master Hand due to containing Master Core?

Master Hand is the Palace boss because the Core is the treasure, clearly

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

I don't think Nintendo is allowed to promote anything about Brain Age anymore in the US without the FTC getting involved because they've been cracking down on any app or game that claims to have positive effect on cognitive health since 2016.

Which is likely why the Switch game in the franchise was released everywhere BUT the US.

Oof yeah, just looked at it and it even came out in China this year, so chances of it coming out over here are basically non-existent if they weren't already after a like four year time gap lol

Mostly just meant since it's the original Brain Age that got added and that game is like 20 years old next year.
...
turns into dust at the mention of 2005 being 20 years ago

 

[Noipoi]

When the hell are they gonna add Mario 3D World to Nintendo Music?

That game has some of the best music in any Mario game, maybe even any Nintendo game. We need that ****.

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

When the hell are they gonna add Mario 3D World to Nintendo Music?

That game has some of the best music in any Mario game, maybe even any Nintendo game. We need that ****.

I know they would probably add 3D World + Bowser's Fury to it instead of the original, but I still think it's weird that 3DS and Wii U just have nothing on this service yet, especially the 3DS considering its lineup of possible additions lol

 

[Perkilator]

Re: Shadow

Anyway, here's more proof that Shadow can be a fully unique fighter if the devs so desired.

^^

 

[Guynamednelson]

especially the 3DS considering its lineup of possible additions lol

Well yeah, it didn't have 90% of its first-party library ported over to a system that actually succeeded.

But at least in Nintendo Land's case, it's too dependent on the TV and GamePad being separate for "Nintendo Land Deluxe" to have its soundtrack added instead.

 

[ninjahmos]

RE: Shadow

I still think they should use his original theme song for his reveal trailer:

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

Well yeah, it didn't have 90% of its first-party library ported over to a system that actually succeeded.

But at least in Nintendo Land's case, it's too dependent on the TV and GamePad being separate for "Nintendo Land Deluxe" to have its soundtrack added instead.

Well yeah, but there's still a few games on there worth putting on the app I think, like Paper Mario Color Splash (not a great game, but the soundtrack is really good), Kirby and the Rainbow Curse, the original Splatoon, Star Fox Zero (didn't play it and don't know how similar the soundtrack is to 64's but still probably worth adding), and then games where I don't remember if they added music in their Deluxe versions and might end up in a Wii U section like Tropical Freeze and Pikmin 3, and obviously Nintendo Land itself because I wanna vibe to Octopus Dance dammit.

 

[Ivander]

I know they would probably add 3D World + Bowser's Fury to it instead of the original, but I still think it's weird that 3DS and Wii U just have nothing on this service yet, especially the 3DS considering its lineup of possible additions lol

Kid Icarus Uprising and Nintendo Land will happen eventually, right?..............Right?!

Also I just realised that if it's taking a while for just some of the notable soundtracks to appear, it's going to be a very long time before some of the non-notable Nintendo soundtracks like Earthbound, Custom Robo, Advance Wars, etc, happen on the Music app.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Give me Mario & Luigi OSTs, Nintendo!

 

[Garteam]

What does everyone think about Zero’s chances (from Mega Man X)? He’s shown he’s popular enough to earn both a Mii costume and an Assist Trophy and I think he’s got a ton of moveset potential. His only real downsides are that he hasn’t had much in the way of recent appearances in games to my knowledge and he’s got a lot of competition within Capcom. Of my top 10 most wanted, I feel like Zero is pretty far ahead in terms of likelihood.

I think both he and X are really slept on. Mega Man has gotten the red carpet treatment for two games now, a rep from a Mega Man subseries would help represent the series' scale and legacy, and Ultimate was already leaning into a greater emphasis on Mega Man X (Zero's assist, the Central Highway remix, X and Zero being transforming spirits, etc.).

Plus, the Capcom Super Election showed that X and Zero are the two most popular Mega Man characters overall (although you could probably argue that a lot of people have a preference for one but just voted for neither on the poll).

I think there's a lot of merit to both hunters. X represents X1 (the most popular and iconic game in the series), stands out more among Smash's veterans, and is the actual protagonist of the subseries. Zero represents X4 (the second most popular and iconic game in the series), contrasts better against Mega Man, has Mahvel popularity, and he's got his own sequel series. It would be very cool to see both (even as a transforming character), but even one would be great.

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

Give me Mario & Luigi OSTs, Nintendo!

Honestly would love to see TTYD on the app alongside Mario & Luigi (particularly Dream Team), especially since the Switch version also includes all of the original game's tracks, so it's like getting double the soundtrack for the price of one!

Also would love to see Kid Icarus Uprising eventually if just for Mysterious Invaders. Man I love this song.

 

[ninjahmos]

I may or may not have said this before, but if the next game has an All-Star Mode, I hope it'll use a new arrangement of Melee's All-Star Rest Area theme, which is basically a remix of Kirby Super Star's Save Hut (Float Islands). I'd also love a Smash remix of Float Islands.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

It could maybe be part of his Final Smash(even if it's just throwing it away cause he doesn't need it) or his victory screens.

One of his victory poses is him standing on a ledge pumping a shotgun.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

One of his victory poses is him standing on a ledge pumping a shotgun.

He doesn't use Shotguns. It'd be funnier for him to pump a gun that cannot be pumped like in his own game, though. My personal favorite is the Gatling Gun, but he has a quite clear signature gun anyway(the MP5 SMG).