HyperSomari64
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Sonic Movie 3 trailer dropped
Sonic is in Smash, so i'ts semi-related for this thread
Sonic is in Smash, so i'ts semi-related for this thread
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Official Next Smash - Speculation & Discussion Thread
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Freduardo
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HyperSomari64
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I know these games are based on Dungeons & Dragons
What if they brought mii costumes from the ones from the Capcom beat 'em ups?
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The Stoopid Unikorn
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They need to give Shadow a gun in the next Smash.
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GoldenYuiitusin
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This but unironic.They need to give Shadow a gun in the next Smash.
Moveset creators are cowards for not letting Shadow use firearms :V
Gengar84
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Their Magic: the Gathering Planeswalker card is ridiculously overpowered and probably the strongest in the game. That’s the only way I know them but they’d be interesting.
well there’s already a few guns he can useThey need to give Shadow a gun in the next Smash.
The Stoopid Unikorn
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You say that, but him not having guns in his moveset is actually truer to how Shadow the Hedgehog works as a game.
He never enters a level with a gun in his hand. He just picks up whatever he finds.
So what I'm saying is that we need firearms as Sonic items in the next Smash
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BuckleyTim
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As a Shadow fan I am having the time of my life right now.
I still think Eggman and Tails needs to find their ways into Smash eventually as well, but I am fully on the Edgy Hedgy hype train for the foreseeable future.
I still think Eggman and Tails needs to find their ways into Smash eventually as well, but I am fully on the Edgy Hedgy hype train for the foreseeable future.
All memes aside, there are already fantasy guns that appear as items in Smash. Shadow can just use those if he were to be a newcomer (it’s at least truer to StH 2005, for what it’s worth).
Gengar84
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I still prefer Knuckles but Shadow looks like he’s got some cool abilities that could make for a fun moveset. I haven’t really played a Sonic game since Sonic Adventure 2 but Shadow’s venom symbiote powers from the recent generations game looked really cool from the trailer.
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Louie G.
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I want Shadow the least out of the "big four" Sonic candidates, but it's hard to deny his prevalence as of late and I don't feel that momentum will slow down any time soon. I think people are overestimating just how much of a slam dunk he is, but I don't fault you for believing he's the frontrunner as things stand. Helps that he has had visible fan demand since even Brawl... so have Tails and Knuckles, but I'd say Shadow's has persisted the longest. Especially after he missed out on Ultimate, when everyone pretty much treated him to be a no-brainer echo fighter.
In fairness to Tails, Knuckles and Eggman though, these characters appear more frequently. In respect to Tails and Knuckles, it's been a great few years for Sonic's friends re-establishing their series prominence. Shadow is the most popular supporting character, but pops up more sporadically in exchange for these moments to be more of an event. He's prominent enough in marketing and so forth where it wouldn't be all that jarring if he was the second character, but on paper Tails or Eggman probably function more directly as the "next in line". As it stands I think I'd have Shadow slotted in, but in the back of my mind I still think Tails has a better chance than people are giving him credit for.
Moveset wise I think Shadow has sort of a blessing and a curse scenario, where he would probably be the most derivative of Sonic out of all the potential candidates. But that also makes him an easier character to implement, as what I will assume might end up being an Isabelle-esque semiclone (in that I think Shadow would have one or two new special moves). I actually kinda like this approach better than Shadow being fully unique - the new Black Doom stuff is cool but seems like a one time thing, guns and motorcycles are funny but ought to just be a cosmetic entrance / victory thing. So long as the next game fixes Sonic in a meaningful way, I just like the idea of a more brutal version of the character with maybe some dark / chaos energy flourish.
In fairness to Tails, Knuckles and Eggman though, these characters appear more frequently. In respect to Tails and Knuckles, it's been a great few years for Sonic's friends re-establishing their series prominence. Shadow is the most popular supporting character, but pops up more sporadically in exchange for these moments to be more of an event. He's prominent enough in marketing and so forth where it wouldn't be all that jarring if he was the second character, but on paper Tails or Eggman probably function more directly as the "next in line". As it stands I think I'd have Shadow slotted in, but in the back of my mind I still think Tails has a better chance than people are giving him credit for.
Moveset wise I think Shadow has sort of a blessing and a curse scenario, where he would probably be the most derivative of Sonic out of all the potential candidates. But that also makes him an easier character to implement, as what I will assume might end up being an Isabelle-esque semiclone (in that I think Shadow would have one or two new special moves). I actually kinda like this approach better than Shadow being fully unique - the new Black Doom stuff is cool but seems like a one time thing, guns and motorcycles are funny but ought to just be a cosmetic entrance / victory thing. So long as the next game fixes Sonic in a meaningful way, I just like the idea of a more brutal version of the character with maybe some dark / chaos energy flourish.
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SharkLord
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Yeah, Shadow definitely counts. During the 2010's, everyone beyond Sonic, Tails, Eggman, and occasionally Knuckles and Amy were shoved into the background. Shadow popped up a few times, but he was very much out of focus after basically becoming the second main character for a time. Now that he's had the whole marketing campaign around his game and his movie appearance, I think it's safe to say Shadow's back in business.
I'd also make an argument for Monster Hunter. When Ultimate's roster was set, it was pretty big in Japan but not that big overseas, on top of the tight newcomer selection. It made sense to just throw in an AT/boss and call it a day. Two years later, World suddenly sold gangbusters, enough that its sales records for Capcom still haven't been beaten, and made Monster Hunter a big name in the West as well. And then, three years later, Rise released as a timed exclusive and sold gangbusters on the Switch alone, with Nintendo even giving it a marketing push in their directs. And now Wilds is gearing up to a massive release for Capcom. Even if Smash 6's roster was settled before Wilds was a thing, I think Sakurai and Nintendo would still have time to account for the success of World and Rise. Either way, I think Monster Hunter's priority levels have massively spiked since Ultimate.
GoldenYuiitusin
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The biggest one that comes to mind is 2B.
She has that Joker-esque prominence going on.
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Here’s a question that I’m stuck on. If they ever do another Smash Ballot or something similar and we only get one vote, are you planning to vote for your absolute favorite character even if they’re not at all likely or would you narrow it down to characters you feel actually have a decent chance and vote for your favorite among those? I’m always kind of conflicted there because I feel like if I don’t vote for my favorite character, no one else will but that also kind of feels like throwing your vote away.
Louie G.
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Honestly? I'll make another case for Chun-Li here. Street Fighter 6 has been a rousing success and helped revitalize excitement for the series in a fresh new way. Surely Street Fighter was doing fine enough to warrant Ken in Ultimate, but I think there's something to be said about the way Smash treats Street Fighter vs what the series has built up for itself recently. In Smash, the series remains a celebration of the classical Street Fighter II era - something I've rambled about before. But now I think SF6 has brought attention back to everything beyond that, and would demand more current focus.
On the topic of fighting games, definitely Sol Badguy or any Guilty Gear character. The release of Guity Gear Strive introduced the series to a bigger audience than ever, firmly taking the series from more of a hardcore, cult classic status more akin to Darkstalkers into sharing space with the biggest names of the genre. It seems safe for me to say that if we get another fighting game character next game, it'll either be from Guilty Gear or maybe Virtua Fighter.
And we've already been talking about Sonic, but I think that works more generally than just Shadow. The brand was in a pretty dire state when Ultimate came out - the last game was Sonic Forces, many of the mandates that kept Sonic feeling stale were still in place. But the IP has really flourished as of late, with blockbuster movie releases and a critically acclaimed new mainline entry in the series in Sonic Frontiers. Since then Sonic has been an icon back on the rise, with cross-collaborations all over the place and games that are actually making people excited again. And all of the major side characters have seen a return to the spotlight, with more prominent game roles, movie roles, merchandising and what not propelling Tails, Knuckles, Shadow and Amy into a healthy place.
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Assuming the Sonic character is unique, Sakurai seems more like the kind of guy that would opt for the Genesis era, Sonic's commercial and cultural peak. That's usually how it tends to go with third-parties, he draws from their highest points. And considering there are more core, longstanding, also popular characters from that era, I don't see Shadow being the choice.
Now if the character is a clone of some sort, yeah, Shadow has a great chance.
Now if the character is a clone of some sort, yeah, Shadow has a great chance.
I always thought choosing the version of Wario’s castle where Captain Syrup was trying to… I don’t even know, ruin the foundation of his home? Somehow drown him from the basement up?, was always a weird choice.
Louie G.
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Well the catch is that the other two points are correct, but they are not more popular characters. Shadow is the most popular character after Sonic himself, and it's honestly not that close. And post-Ultimate he's easily the most highly requested / frequently discussed.
That's kind of what blurs the line here, because otherwise I'm in full agreement with everything you said but Sonic the Hedgehog is a little bit of an anomaly. Clearly from a critical, commercial standpoint you can't beat the Genesis era. And Shadow is not a "main character" who appears in nearly every mainline title like Tails or Eggman. But he has such titanic popularity and omnipresent merchandising that it's difficult to disqualify him from trumping the others.
He was the first Assist Trophy too, for whatever that's worth. This year is skewing perspective a bit because it's so Shadow-focused, but it's clear that he was always seen as a major character among the pack even in the context of Smash itself.
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Tails and Knuckles had to work together to market the second Sonic movie.
Shadow is carrying the third by himself.
Shadow is carrying the third by himself.
Louie G.
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This is Gerald Robotnik erasure.
I have many characters in mind and I would like to vote for them all even if that's not possible, but if I had to vote for one then I wouldn't know which one to vote for.
The Stoopid Unikorn
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This is the same guy who notably went for a Belmont because introducing the Castlevania franchise to Smash.
While this is absolutely a valid route to take, it's not the "commercial and cultural peak" because that would be Symphony of the Night and I don't think anyone outside of DarthEnder would try to debate otherwise because it's where the second half of the Metroidvania genre came from, showing its influence.
Though funnily enough, Alucard was considered for the playable spot before Sakurai settled on a Belmont, showing that he never discarded SotN and simply prioritized the original platformers.
There's no real constant with third parties and how they're represented, no matter how much you try to find a pattern.
It's also Maria eras- Oh wait, her getting removed is entirely her appeal
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GoldenYuiitusin
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He said carrying. Not Carreying.