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Official Next Smash - Speculation & Discussion Thread

Gorgonzales

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We playing the same game with ROB, Steve, Min Min, Sonic, and Game and Watch right?

I think at this point, they could really care less about making characters obnoxious.
Unless you ladder combo a newcomer into the stratosphere on Green Greens as Bayonetta in front of thousands of viewers and Sakurai himself.
 
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Assuming the next game will be different from Ultimate, I'm kind of hoping the Results Display Screen music will be something different instead of the Smash 64 Character Select Theme again.

And, if the music direction is also different for the next game, I still think rock and jazz-funk would hit hard.
 
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How important do you think Toon Link and the whole Toon Zelda style is to Nintendo as a whole? :ulttoonlink:
 

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How important do you think Toon Link and the whole Toon Zelda style is to Nintendo as a whole? :ulttoonlink:
Increasingly less-so, but I think it's a very significant part of Zelda's overall history. It seems like it's taken a backseat for now in favor of the "Toy" style, not sure if it's a permanent retirement or just a break for this generation. I'm honestly assuming Wind Waker HD will get a port sooner or later, so if that happens I suppose we can expect to see Toon Link at the forefront for a little while again.

I hope they aren't done making Toon-styled games forever, but they had a really substantial run. Enough to keep him safe for Smash? Not entirely sure, but I do have an itching feeling that some kind of green tunic-ed Link is important enough to have around. Unless next game goes harder on alternate costumes and lets Link dress up like his old self - if we aren't so fortunate, I think Toon Link is in decent standing.
 

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How important do you think Toon Link and the whole Toon Zelda style is to Nintendo as a whole? :ulttoonlink:
Considering our last mention of the toon style was a remaster 12 years ago on the Wii U...

I'm gonna say not as important as a lot of people here would believe lol.
 
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Considering our last mention of the toon style was a remaster 12 years ago on the Wii U...

I'm gonna say not as important as a lot of people here would believe lol.
Actually it was Triforce Heroes which released in 2015.

That's not much better but... It's more accurate.
 

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Important enough to make another port of Wind Waker to drop on the Switch 2 to make up for the lack of a new Zelda :nifty:
Completely unrelated but I actually had to double take because I thought this was a Gengar84 Gengar84 post with a new profile pic. That's just how much I associate Gengar with our Gengar I guess.

On topic, I... I actually don't know. I'm honestly kind of inclined to believe that the "Toon" style has been effectively retired. Like Swamp mentioned

Triforce Heroes which released in 2015.
oh god it's been 10 years...

I feel like the "Toy" style has become the new secondary art style. Only two games in so far with the LA remake and EoW, but we don't typically get repeat art styles outside of the rare direct sequel like MM and TotK. Meanwhile EoW is pretty far removed from LA.

Maybe it's too soon to call on the diorama style but if we get a third then maybe it'd be fairer to say. That said, I don't think the Toon style is shelved for good, just benched while they explore other art styles and make the most of existing assets.
 

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How important do you think Toon Link and the whole Toon Zelda style is to Nintendo as a whole? :ulttoonlink:
The most consistent art style at 7 games but not necessarily important. Despite that number, TP design has been used for the same amount of home console games (2) since Link's Crossbow Training exists.

Toon Link is more likely to stay then Young Link but Smash 6 can also either just have regular Link or replace Toon Link with the version from LA/EoW.
 
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I’m guessing Kirbeh’s referring to your Kangaskhan profile picture. They probably mistook Kangaskhan for Gengar. I’m just happy someone’s thinking of me :094:

I'm doing a thing where I'm cycling my avatar through all the Mega Evolutions as a countdown to Pokemon Day, because I'm really stoked to finally see Legends ZA.

My pfp was Mega Gengar up until ten minutes ago, causing the confusion :191:
 

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Ahhh… that makes a lot more sense. I was curious how somebody could have mistaken Kangaskhan for Gengar lol.
 

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Actually it was Triforce Heroes which released in 2015.

That's not much better but... It's more accurate.
Technically wouldn't it actually be Hyrule Warriors Definitive Edition in 2018? Since Toon Link and co are in that.
 

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One day, Sakurai's just gonna do it. He's gonna post a bunch of screenshots and videos with certain features and all the hints he added are gonna add up to the reveal of Goku* or something.

And we will never know peace again.

*From Yūyūki
Aside from me wanting Goku on his own merits, I sincerely pray that if Goku does get into Smash... that Sakurai (or whoever ends up directing Smash Bros. in the future) goes utterly INSANE on making us think that Dragon Ball!Goku is actually coming to Smash Bros..

Like, I'd love for them to go whole-hog on that.

So, the MvC discussion from a couple of days ago had me thinking.

How would you all feel about character endings for Classic Mode?

And I don't mean the gameplay clip shows that you'd get in games prior to Ultimate. I mean actually unique, fully animated endings like you see in other fighting games.

It'd probably be a lot of work if it's a bigger roster, but I think it'd add some nice personality to a mode that just... kinda ends on an abrupt note as it currently stands.
With how Smash Ultimate's Classic Mode was developed? I WISH that 'character endings' were a thing. To me, it would have made that mode more wotrh it.

Otherwise, I'm still bummed out that, for as big as Ultimate's roster was, they chose NOW to be the time to not use Melee/3DS's Classic Mode style.

A lot of this goes back to Brawl for the former reason, especially. Most of the big support bases that existed for the Smash fandom got their start in the Brawl to post-Brawl/pre-4 speculation period, and one of the big things we had to go off of back then was Sakurai's reason for dismissing Villager as a potential Brawl newcomer. As a result of that, a lot of the miscellaneous series without immediately-obvious fighter potential failed to take off in the general speculation sphere. Other factors took hold as well, such as general apprehension toward Japan-only character choices. Pretty much only Takamaru and, to a lesser extent, Sukapon had significant fanbases back then (well, and the Masked Man, but we're talking about new franchises).

And then in the more modern eras of base game and DLC Smash 4, and then Ultimate's entire cycle, a lot of those existing fanbases gave in to what they thought was the reality of it all: that it wasn't worth supporting these characters when Nintendo clearly wanted to push more "relevant" characters, be they first or third party. And that's an absolute shame, since it's now at the point where Isaac is pretty much the only one to keep a lot of fanbase retention when there are so many smaller Nintendo franchises that could offer cool fighters for Smash.
Kind of nutty to me how Nintendo was suddenly going all-out on creating new IPs during the Gamecube/GBA era, yet Brawl was more focused on adding characters who probably seemed like notable omissions from Melee.

Had it gone with more of a 'Smash 4-style' of selecting characters, Brawl probably would have been filled with folks like (for example) Kururin, Isaac, Andy, Ray MK III, Starfy, Mona, Chibi-Robo, Saki Amemiya, Barbara the Bat, Alexandra Roivas, Jonathan Raimi, and/or maybe even someone from Odama or something.

Wait no, even better idea.

We get Bowser's Brother back in the flesh.
Ngl, I still believe Bowser's brother has a place in the Mario canon. Specifically, you all know how the 'current story' is that the Koopalings aren't Bowser's blood children anymore?

Well... Bowser's brother = Morton Koopa Sr., anyone?
 

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While Toon Link's relevance may be going away, I think the reason why he's stayed so long was because Sakurai thinks it important to keep a child link around; a quicker Link. I think it's fairly likely we'll see Toon Link or Young Link, but not Model Link unless it was made clear to Sakurai that that Link was the current smaller title version, and was going to see use for a while. Even then, Model Link only has The Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening to go off of since there's only two games with that artstyle, and he isn't really in the second one. I'm not really sure if his apearances is enough to get a bead on how to go about makeing yet another child Link design, and doing so might be ultimately unnecessary in the first place.
 
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