Official Next Smash - Speculation & Discussion Thread

[Nabbitfan730]

Honestly that video is posted really go in depth in what and how characters getting into the roster beyond just being popular. I really do recommend you guys watch.

Like the way he highlights themes and archetypes are important and standing out. I feel like that's why character like Shadow and Toad keep missing the mark despite their popularity. There isn't much differentiate their characters from the already existing ones in roster like Sonic or Mario respectively until very recently like echoes but i don't they will be major staple going forward like fans other just to save time like usual clones

Makes more sense putting in someone who popular AND unique like Piranha Plant than some like Toad who lacks the latter and we already Speedster like archetype like Sonic already. Unless Shadow an echo, he ain't going make in. The next choices will either him or Eggman

I also feel like this is reason we won't get extra reps from fighting game other than the main characters(except echos like Ken ofc) because said rep essentially rep their entire games and extras would be redundant.

 

[PersonAngelo53]

Honestly that video is posted really go in depth in what and how characters getting into the roster beyond just being popular. I really do recommend you guys watch.

Like the way he highlights themes and archetypes are important and standing out. I feel like that's why character like Shadow and Toad keep missing the mark despite their popularity. There isn't much differentiate their characters from the already existing ones in roster like Sonic or Mario respectively until very recently like echoes but i don't they will be major staple going forward like fans other just to save time like usual clones

Makes more sense putting in someone who popular AND unique like Piranha Plant than some like Toad who lacks the latter and we already Speedster like archetype like Sonic already. Unless Shadow an echo, he ain't going make in. The next choices will either him or Eggman

I also feel like this is reason we won't get extra reps from fighting game other than the main characters(except echos like Ken ofc) because said rep essentially rep their entire games and extras would be redundant.

I don’t fully believe this. Shadow specially has plenty to make himself different to Sonic with his chaos abilities etc.

And as for other fighting game characters getting more reps from the same series. I think it can work mostly, like with Chun Li cause she is so different to Ryu and Ken.

 

[Nabbitfan730]

I don’t fully believe this. Shadow specially has plenty to make himself different to Sonic with his chaos abilities etc.

And as for other fighting game characters getting more reps from the same series. I think it can work mostly, like with Chun Li cause she is so different to Ryu and Ken.

Would those chaos abilities make sense & with his archetype tho? Sonic with projectiles and zoning capabilities?

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

I'd like to state again that Armorouge and Ceruledge both learn Ally Swap, and while it's not a swapout move like Baton Pass, I think it works within acceptable creative liberties to just say that's how they swap.

 

[Will]

Would those chaos abilities make sense & with his archetype tho? Sonic with projectiles and zoning capabilities?

I don’t see why not. Are you implying he’d be cracked just by being as fast as Sonic?

 

[Nickthebrick1]

Thoughts? He made some really good points.

 

[PersonAngelo53]

Would those chaos abilities make sense & with his archetype tho? Sonic with projectiles and zoning capabilities?

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If it’s anything like this then yeah definitely possible.

 

[smashkirby]

You know what's another franchise I'm hoping Nintendo will bring back for the Switch 2?

Pilotwings

For as much as I would LOVE to see this happen (Bonus points if the cast of PW64 returned for it as playable characters), I'm more inclined to believe that Pilotwings would be a Switch 2 launch title...

 

[Captain Shwampy]

Id be down with a new PilotWings if they stop associating it with the Mii games

 

[chocolatejr9]

Id be down with a new PilotWings if they stop associating it with the Mii games

Only if we get Tomodachi Life 2 to compensate. I've already accepted that they've been replaced for the hypothetical Nintendo Switch Sports 2...

 

[Ivander]

Speaking of Miis, it'd be great if we got the Mii Maker back for Switch 2 and it came with all of Miitopia's features and whatnot.

 

[Captain Shwampy]

Would those chaos abilities make sense & with his archetype tho? Sonic with projectiles and zoning capabilities?

Id agree with you like 5 years ago but now that shadow got venom squid powers something as small as "shadows up B is using chaos control to teleport him back to the stage" is now "Shadow can SOAR with his doom wings" and that changes everything.

 

[Perkilator]

(Meant to post this here days ago)

Maybe I’m in the minority but having Link’s alts be his tunics from across the series just feels forced to me. I know Sora’s alts are all of his different outfits + his Timeless River form, but his outfits are at least aesthetically different enough to justify it.

I think even if Link was limited to sets that were found in TotK, there are still plenty enough to work as alts without relying on other tunics.

1. Archaic Tunic (default)
2. Champion’s Leathers (w/cape)
3. Ember Armor
4. Frostbite Armor
5. Charged Armor
6. Old Shirt
7. Nintendo Switch T-Shirt
8. Dark set

Plus, Link’s Ultrahand could also be a spiritual successor to the Hookshot from the old days.

 

[GoldenYuiitusin]

Shadow always had plenty to work with to be his own thing. And anyone who says otherwise doesn't know what they're talking about.

The issue always was the fact he could be identical to Sonic may be enough for Sakurai to just go Echo just like with Dark Samus.

 

[DarthEnderX]

But I’m not sure if anyone cares that much? If they picked Ceruledge over Armorouge or Koraidon over Miraidon, I don’t think there’d be riots in the streets or anything.

Ceruledge is, like, 10x more popular than Armorouge.

It sucks wanting Meowscarada as the gen 9 rep because I just can't fathom the smash team not breaking the established starter pattern at this point.

Screw that! We're getting our Grass/Dark starter to complete the Greninja/Incineroar set!

Because that kind of idea works better for a Digimon, since they can Digivolve into stronger forms and De-digivolve back to previous forms, while Pokemon can only go forward, not back.

Pokemon also don't evolve mid-battle.

Because transformation gimmicks result in us getting characters we wouldn't normally given they're a package deal

Usually at the expense of characters that deserved that slot more.

We get some mediocre side character that wouldn't have been added otherwise, instead of a new, unique character, possibly from a whole new franchise.

Shadow always had plenty to work with to be his own thing. And anyone who says otherwise doesn't know what they're talking about.

Aside from his original appearance. Where he played identically to Sonic.

 

[Thegameandwatch]

(Meant to post this here days ago)

Maybe I’m in the minority but having Link’s alts be his tunics from across the series just feels forced to me. I know Sora’s alts are all of his different outfits + his Timeless River form, but his outfits are at least aesthetically different enough to justify it.

I think even if Link was limited to sets that were found in TotK, there are still plenty enough to work as alts without relying on other tunics.

1. Archaic Tunic (default)
2. Champion’s Leathers (w/cape)
3. Ember Armor
4. Frostbite Armor
5. Charged Armor
6. Old Shirt
7. Nintendo Switch T-Shirt
8. Dark set

Plus, Link’s Ultrahand could also be a spiritual successor to the Hookshot from the old days.

Toon Link also has lot of potential since there are multiple games with the same artsyle.

1. Default
2. Red (FS)
3. Blue (FS)
4. Purple (FS)
5. Outset Island outfit (the one also featured in PM)
6. Minish Cap
7. Train Uniform (ST)
8. Any outfit from Tri Force Heroes

Young Link isn’t as lucky since his design is only used in OoT and MM unless they use the masks.

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

Pokemon also don't evolve mid-battle.

I mean I can give them that because they do in stuff like the anime and certain games like Pokemon Unite and stuff like that.

Plus technically Digimon don't do that either, at least in Cyber Sleuth, which is the one I've played. Gotta go to the DigiLab for that lol

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

crew that! We're getting our Grass/Dark starter to complete the Greninja/Incineroar set!

INB4 Greninja and/or Incineroar are no longer in the game.

 

[GoldenYuiitusin]

Plus technically Digimon don't do that either, at least in Cyber Sleuth, which is the one I've played. Gotta go to the DigiLab for that lol

Gotta "Well ackshually" here.
The ones you use don't. But the story ones like the Agumon and Gabumon do.