Official Next Smash - Speculation & Discussion Thread

[DKing]

NINJA GAIDEN IS BACK

 

[ninjahmos]

They should give Lu Bu a new remix of his theme and take notes from these three versions, if he gets in.

 

[fogbadge]

I need that Yoko Shimomura remix of 4-2

yoko should do everything

 

[Idon]

We talk about characters too much, let's talk some mf'in STAGES.

Very often the stage chosen for a new franchise is simply the introductory or the "level 1" stage. For any franchise, new or old, what do you guys think would be a stage that would be most fitting that belongs partway through the game rather than near the start?

For example, for Xenoblade 3 rather than one of the grassy plains near the start, Agnus Castle with the Backdrop of the fallen sword would be a cool stage that reps both the Xenoblade 2 and 1 portion while also being a pretty memorable mid-game location.

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

We talk about characters too much, let's talk some mf'in STAGES.

Very often the stage chosen for a new franchise is simply the introductory or the "level 1" stage. For any franchise, new or old, what do you guys think would be a stage that would be most fitting that belongs partway through the game rather than near the start?

For example, for Xenoblade 3 rather than one of the grassy plains near the start, Agnus Castle with the Backdrop of the fallen sword would be a cool stage that reps both the Xenoblade 2 and 1 portion while also being a pretty memorable mid-game location.
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Does Lab Discovera from Kirby and the Forgotten Land with Fecto Forgo/Fecto Elfilis in the background/as a possible stage boss count as "partway through the game"? lmao

If not I'm also okay with Blizzard Bridge or Originull Wasteland, I just really want a modern Kirby stage and not more Super Star lol

 

[Captain Shwampy]

Getting irl warriors from Romance of Three Kingdoms would be funny. Lu Bu is one of the first major warlords to die in the book, but his Dynasty Warriors adaptation seems to be popular in polls, otherwise Ciao Ciao tends to be the winner.

 

[ninjahmos]

We talk about characters too much, let's talk some mf'in STAGES.

Very often the stage chosen for a new franchise is simply the introductory or the "level 1" stage. For any franchise, new or old, what do you guys think would be a stage that would be most fitting that belongs partway through the game rather than near the start?

For example, for Xenoblade 3 rather than one of the grassy plains near the start, Agnus Castle with the Backdrop of the fallen sword would be a cool stage that reps both the Xenoblade 2 and 1 portion while also being a pretty memorable mid-game location.
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I'd definitely love to see more ice-themed stages. I've said this before, but I think Phendrana Drifts from Metroid Prime would be pretty cool to see in Smash.

I also think Smash could use another desert stage, like Sand Ocean from F-Zero.

 

[Gengar84]

There’s a bunch of stages I’d love to see. I made a lot of them in Stage Builder in Ultimate but there’s others beyond the ones I made that would be cool. Here’s a few:

Bowser’s Castle (Super Mario Bros.)
Area Zero (Pokemon)
Hornet Hole (Donkey Kong Country)
Central Highway (Mega Man X)
Chemical Plant Zone (Sonic the Hedgehog)
TETRIS (TETRIS)
Khaos Mountains (Battletoads)
City Ruins (Contra)

 

[The Prankster 16]

Assuming there will be another "free" early adopter character like there was in the last two games, who do you think has a shot?
For Sm4sh it was if you bought both versions and for Ultimate it was if you registered to MyNintendo.
So we have a highly requested veteran who didn't make the cut and a not highly requested but still recognizable newcomer (who was also the "wierd pick"), both first party. Since we don't know who's gonna be cut this time around (if any) I'll go off the second option and say Toad. Even though he isn't a"wierd pick" in the slightest, I think that would satisfy most people as a lukewarm newcomer who most people could go with or without.

We talk about characters too much, let's talk some mf'in STAGES.
Very often the stage chosen for a new franchise is simply the introductory or the "level 1" stage. For any franchise, new or old, what do you guys think would be a stage that would be most fitting that belongs partway through the game rather than near the start?

I'd definitley say Area Zero from Pokemon S/V. Would be really nice seeing it rendered in an engine that doesn't look like a PS2 game .

 

[jamesster445]

We talk about characters too much, let's talk some mf'in STAGES.

Very often the stage chosen for a new franchise is simply the introductory or the "level 1" stage. For any franchise, new or old, what do you guys think would be a stage that would be most fitting that belongs partway through the game rather than near the start?

For example, for Xenoblade 3 rather than one of the grassy plains near the start, Agnus Castle with the Backdrop of the fallen sword would be a cool stage that reps both the Xenoblade 2 and 1 portion while also being a pretty memorable mid-game location.
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Grassland Grooves from Tropical Freeze is prolly my most wanted stage in the series. And it's right in the middle of the game.

 

[Idon]

I'd definitley say Area Zero from Pokemon S/V. Would be really nice seeing it rendered in an engine that doesn't look like a PS2 game .

If Nintendo/TPC don't mandate it, it'd be WAY cooler to see that than uh... school.

 

[Watuna4343]

Palutena has a standard moveset? Dude she is literally our only magic staff user lol.

Compared to quite a few other characters, she's far from a unicorn.

 

[DynamicSmasher]

We talk about characters too much, let's talk some mf'in STAGES.

Very often the stage chosen for a new franchise is simply the introductory or the "level 1" stage. For any franchise, new or old, what do you guys think would be a stage that would be most fitting that belongs partway through the game rather than near the start?

For example, for Xenoblade 3 rather than one of the grassy plains near the start, Agnus Castle with the Backdrop of the fallen sword would be a cool stage that reps both the Xenoblade 2 and 1 portion while also being a pretty memorable mid-game location.
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I'll add my voice to everyone saying Area Zero: it would be really cool.

If we do end up getting some Xenoblade X stuff as well, I think Sylvalum would be my pick over Primordia. The white 'sand' (that's actually mushroom spores), the glowing green tree/ether things, the Aeviters dotting the landscape... it's pretty eye-catching.

If we get something from ToTK, I think I might prefer the depths, especially the Hyrule Castle Depths, over the Great Sky Island. They could probably make a really good stage from the Sky Islands, but if it's just the Great Sky Island, it would feel kind of like having the Great Plateau again, y'know?

 

[Shinuto]

We talk about characters too much, let's talk some mf'in STAGES.

Very often the stage chosen for a new franchise is simply the introductory or the "level 1" stage. For any franchise, new or old, what do you guys think would be a stage that would be most fitting that belongs partway through the game rather than near the start?

For example, for Xenoblade 3 rather than one of the grassy plains near the start, Agnus Castle with the Backdrop of the fallen sword would be a cool stage that reps both the Xenoblade 2 and 1 portion while also being a pretty memorable mid-game location.
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Xenoblade has so many good locations for a stage but I think it'll probable be The City since its so memorable, iconic and important overall in the game. but Agnus Castle would be dope since we'd get Queen Nia cameo.

 

[Hadokeyblade]

I was gonna write in "Space colony ark" for Shadow but thats the first stage in Shadow generations

 

[Noipoi]

I was gonna write in "Space colony ark" for Shadow but thats the first stage in Shadow generations

Would the moon blow up in the background of the stage?

 

[Hadokeyblade]

Would the moon blow up in the background of the stage?

I would be insulted if it didnt.

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

Also throwing my hat into the ring that Area Zero would be a cool stage and considering Pokemon's track record it's actually not that unlikely? Like we do already have examples of Legendaries affecting the stage in Spear Pillar and Unova League, and considering Area Zero is basically Koraidon/Miraidon's home and the Paradox Pokemon you could scatter throughout, its role in the plot as it relates to both Arven and postgame stuff like Terapagos, plus its general aesthetic would likely be BEAUTIFUL in a game like Smash?

I could see it as more of a front runner than the school, honestly. Like a moving stage that starts at the Zero Gate and winds its way down until it reaches the deepest parts where the Lab is located and Koraidon/Miraidon could appear as stage hazards because of the second more hostile one living down there?

 

[Hadokeyblade]

Also throwing my hat into the ring that Area Zero would be a cool stage and considering Pokemon's track record it's actually not that unlikely? Like we do already have examples of Legendaries affecting the stage in Spear Pillar and Unova League, and considering Area Zero is basically Koraidon/Miraidon's home and the Paradox Pokemon you could scatter throughout, its role in the plot as it relates to both Arven and postgame stuff like Terapagos, plus its general aesthetic would likely be BEAUTIFUL in a game like Smash?

I could see it as more of a front runner than the school, honestly. Like a moving stage that starts at the Zero Gate and winds its way down until it reaches the deepest parts where the Lab is located and Koraidon/Miraidon could appear as stage hazards because of the second more hostile one living down there?

Koraidon and Miraidon are perfect stage hazard for this now that i think about it because of the reveal in the story where the legendary straight up murdered a bunch of humans down there at one point so they can have them going on a rampage.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

NINJA GAIDEN IS BACK

THE YEAR OF NINJA GAIDEN BABY!!!

 

[Ivander]

• Still asking for Ferenia for a Metroid Dread stage.
• Homecoming Hijinx from Donkey Kong Country Tropical Freeze would also be great.
• The Opera House or the Bottomless Canyon, both from Fire Emblem Fates, would be good choices for a Fates stage had Corrin got a stage.
• Ultra Space would've been great if Incineroar came with a Gen 7 stage.
• Also still asking for stages even if they don't come with characters, much like Balloon Fight, Wrecking Crew, Pilotwings and whatnot.

 

[Gengar84]

I think an Octopath Traveller stage could be really cool even without a character. The game’s HD2D art style would be awesome to see as a Smash stage and I love the soundtracks for those games.

 

[The Prankster 16]

I think an Octopath Traveller stage could be really cool even without a character. The game’s HD2D art style would be awesome to see as a Smash stage and I love the soundtracks for those games.

Yeah Octopath was one of the first games revealed for the switch and was a third-party exclusive for a while. I think it deserves a stage. Probably helps that the rights propably aren't as tied up as other Squenix series.

 

[Gengar84]

Yeah Octopath was one of the first games revealed for the switch and was a third-party exclusive for a while. I think it deserves a stage. Probably helps that the rights propably aren't as tied up as other Squenix series.

Truthfully, I’d love a character too but that’s a bit less likely given how small the series is compared to other options. My favorite character is H’aanit. I think there’s a ton you could do with the huntress and beast tamer idea. I could see her using her snow leopard companion, Lynde, a bit like Rosalina and Luma. Throne is my favorite from the second game but she doesn’t quite have the same unique gameplay hook as H’aanit.

 

[Thegameandwatch]

Also throwing my hat into the ring that Area Zero would be a cool stage and considering Pokemon's track record it's actually not that unlikely? Like we do already have examples of Legendaries affecting the stage in Spear Pillar and Unova League, and considering Area Zero is basically Koraidon/Miraidon's home and the Paradox Pokemon you could scatter throughout, its role in the plot as it relates to both Arven and postgame stuff like Terapagos, plus its general aesthetic would likely be BEAUTIFUL in a game like Smash?

I could see it as more of a front runner than the school, honestly. Like a moving stage that starts at the Zero Gate and winds its way down until it reaches the deepest parts where the Lab is located and Koraidon/Miraidon could appear as stage hazards because of the second more hostile one living down there?

Even if it’s at the academy, at least that will still be more unique then lot of the Pokemon stages.

Also it’s kinda getting repetitive for them to always be two platform stages and Saffron City is the only Pokemon stage in Ultimate that doesn’t do this at one point.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

We talk about characters too much, let's talk some mf'in STAGES.

Very often the stage chosen for a new franchise is simply the introductory or the "level 1" stage. For any franchise, new or old, what do you guys think would be a stage that would be most fitting that belongs partway through the game rather than near the start?

Dunno if this counts as a midgame stage, but I just drew a mockup of a potential design for an E.M.M.I. Zone stage:

Since the gimmick is an instakill hazard chasing players down, this is a big stage where players can go just about anywhere they chose from any area in the map. The dotted lines indicate the E.M.M.I. Zone doors that players can go/be launched through. If the player goes through them willingly, they will wrap around to the other side of the screen, but if launched, they die. Every once in a while, an E.M.M.I. will come out of one of the doors, search for fighters (it will just roam for a bit, there's no sound detection mechanic), and chase them down if they get into their vision radius. If a player is in an E.M.M.I.'s line of sight, the doors "close", and players can't walk through them. However, they can still be launched through them if you do it hard enough. All E.M.M.I. variants are able to appear here except for the first and last ones since the first one can't really traverse this stage, and the last one wasn't meant to be encountered in gameplay.

The section in the center is destructable, and when destroyed, a semisolid platform will appear to fill in the gap until the terrain reforms. The wall hanging from the center platform can be crawled under, but most characters are otherwise too tall to go under it. Certain other actions like Pikachu's Quick Attack, Mega Man's down tilt, and Samus's dodge roll can also allow players to squeeze under it.

All in all the stage is a bunch of fight clubs that come together to form one big fight club. There are areas where players can get launched offstage, but generally they will live to high percents. This is mitigated by the E.M.M.I.s that spawn in, chase players for a few minutes, and likely score a K.O. a bunch of them throughout the match.

Spoiler: E.M.M.I. types:

• White: The least dangerous. Can't even crawl.
• Green: Can crawl.
• Yellow: Is very fast once it enters chase mode. Very few characters can outrun it, so try not to move in a straight line if it's after you.
• Blue: Its cone of vision is a bit narrower, but being inside it constantly deals ice damage to you, and may freeze you.
• Purple: Can see through terrain, so players probably won't be able to hide from it until it goes away.

If players manage to loop an E.M.M.I. for a full minute, it gives up and leaves. If it doesn't detect any players, it will leave sooner.
EDIT: It will also leave if it scores a K.O.

 

[NintenRob]

Assuming there will be another "free" early adopter character like there was in the last two games, who do you think has a shot?
For Sm4sh it was if you bought both versions and for Ultimate it was if you registered to MyNintendo.
So we have a highly requested veteran who didn't make the cut and a not highly requested but still recognizable newcomer (who was also the "wierd pick"), both first party. Since we don't know who's gonna be cut this time around (if any) I'll go off the second option and say Toad. Even though he isn't a"wierd pick" in the slightest, I think that would satisfy most people as a lukewarm newcomer who most people could go with or without.

I've thought about this and I actually think Oatchi from Pikmin 4 is the perfect character for this. An unorthodox pick like Piranha Plant that Sakurai can off with

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

Even if it’s at the academy, at least that will still be more unique then lot of the Pokemon stages.

Also it’s kinda getting repetitive for them to always be two platform stages and Saffron City is the only Pokemon stage in Ultimate that doesn’t do this at one point.

That's fair, I just figure a sorta cinematic platform stage (like think about how Northern Cave's platform moves around) would work best rather than like an actual moving stage since Area Zero is a big spiral basically lol

 

[Hadokeyblade]

I've thought about this and I actually think Oatchi from Pikmin 4 is the perfect character for this. An unorthodox pick like Piranha Plant that Sakurai can off with

i'll take it gladly

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

I've thought about this and I actually think Oatchi from Pikmin 4 is the perfect character for this. An unorthodox pick like Piranha Plant that Sakurai can off with

I would gladly take that since I loved Pikmin 4.

Would also be perfectly happy with the suggestion that rumor from not long ago had (the one that said all characters were coming back alongside trophies and cutscenes in Adventure Mode) where Paper Mario was the early adopter bonus, since I have a Paper Mario bias lol