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There could definitely be improvements, but the idea is solid, and much more replicable than something like World of Light, which is too shallow to do more than once.
We're not going to get another Subspace Emissary, so it and Ultimate's Classic Mode certainly give a better crossover vibe compared to whatever was on Wii U(3DS had potential with the Classic Mode Choose your own path deal, but it was still randomized). And sure, World of Light doesn't offer a whole lot, but it does offer crossover more than most people admit, like in the case of the "Support spirits" that help with getting past certain obstacles on the map or getting access to a vehicle that allows the player to move to another part of the map.
World of Light was the same, and it actually led to the single player modes being completely compromised. Multi-Man Smash was severely gimped with half of it cut out, All-Star Mode was actually folded into Multi-Man Smash, Stage Builder and Home Run Contest had to be added in post-launch updates, and a number of Smash 4's modes like Event Matches, Target Blast, and Master/Crazy Orders were completely cut.
Was this stated to be the case? As far as I know these issues were because of the roster.
Mine would be a rougelike mode that takes elements from Melee Adventure, Subspace Emissary, Smash Run, and World of Light.So what would the ideal Smash Adventure Mode look like?
That is what I'm expecting as well.
Yeah, cause SSE was such a triumph...
This. It's a lot of really bad gameplay segments with a pretty cringey story.
And what evidence do you have that WoL was the reason any of those were cut?
Having to collect a bunch a PNGs by fighting them isn't really any better. Sure, SSE had its flaws, and WoL got a chance to represent each franchise, but it was still boring as hell.Yeah, cause SSE was such a triumph...
This. It's a lot of really bad gameplay segments with a pretty cringey story.
WoL did the most important thing a Smash mode can do...reference hundreds of video game characters.
I’m not really content with just referencing a bunch characters through images alone. I can look up pictures of game characters online without Smash. While I fully agree that Subspace Emissary wasn’t perfect and had flaws, it was still far and away my favorite single player mode the series ever had. Could the platforming sections have been better designed? Sure. Was the story great? Not really. But it at least gave the characters some meaningful interaction that’s been missing since then and was a fun adventure to play with friends. I think there’s still a ton of potential in the idea if they improve what didn’t work too well and focus on the parts that made it great. It’s sad to see them just completely give up on the idea because it wasn’t perfect the first time.
Well, I'm kinda hoping the next game's Adventure Mode is like Melee's Adventure Mode, where you can explore each franchise's world and fight various enemies, characters and bosses from each franchise. Where you start depends on which character you play as.So what would the ideal Smash Adventure Mode look like?
If you don't realize that a 60-65 character roster is still huge and genuinely want to keep WoL on its own even at the expense of permanently losing Target Smash, Events, Home Run Contest, Multi-Man Brawl, All-Stars, Smash Run Boss Battles etc. (and all that is solo content without even touching the classic mode) just because we're dreading that 'oh no, we'll have a smaller roster next time' then that's on you entirely.
Exactly. I think there’s a ton of room to improve SSE but the core idea is awesome. World of Light, in comparison, just felt like glorified event matches. I think the event matches from previous games were more fun than the ones in World of Light for the most part too.
Some think now is the best time to request for characters....sure the ballot back then was counted, but it was for Ultimate years after Smash 4.
Honestly, I'd gladly take better single player any day if it absolutely meant less characters overall.
I just hope that it’s not identical each time like in Melee but also incorporating more of the unlockable stuff or having different bosses.
I think it depends on who those characters are for me. If I still get to keep several of my favorites, I’d be okay with it. If I lost most of my favorites and don’t get any newcomers I’m particularly interested in, I don’t think it’s worth it. I’ll still buy the game for the single player but move back to Ultimate once I’m done with it. I think it also depends on what those single player modes are and how much replay value they have. There’s not really one easy answer for me.
Yeah, they surely don’t know much about game development. Still, in regards to the ballot, I can see “runner-up” characters, if you know what I mean, who weren’t playable in Ultimate be playable in Smash 6.
Assist trophies and Mii Costumes are still a mark for the Runner ups. So, that is hard to say what Sakurai is planning next.
I’d prefer a variety. No sense unlocking everyone the same way
I prefer the former but the latter is good as a bonus if you don’t know how to do a specific method.
Yeah, true. Still, I didn’t say the runner-ups on the ballot were guaranteed to be playable, did I?
Oh, and there could be interconnected storylines for each character, kinda like Sonic Adventure 1&2.
I’ve been thinking about a modern take on Melee’s Adventure Mode with branching paths that lead to different battles and boss fights.
If it’s not actually cutscene then it probably just be dialogue boxes to save on resources if they want character interactions
I could see bosses treated like playables, some return, some get cut, some new, ratio probably skewing more new.
They actually altered the platforming physics for Subspace and Subspace alone, so it couldn't be that.
I'm aware they changed some character's movement speeds and changed the jumpsquats, but did Subspace touch the physics engine itself? 'Cause tweaking character values only does so much to combat a fundamentally flawed engine.
I never got the chance to play Smash Run since I only played the Wii U version. The mode did seem fun but it lacks the character interaction I’m looking for in a story mode.
