Official Next Smash - Speculation & Discussion Thread

[Kirbeh]

UnderNight is eligible but extremely unlikely. I would love for French Bread to get something though, even if it's just an AT or a music track.

As for French dev, I don't see any scenario where Yasuke is likely or even a good idea tbh.

Shadows' controversies aside, I don't see why they'd pick Yasuke over a more iconic/established character like Ezio or Altair. Especially when Yasuke also doesn't really play like the actual assassins. He doesn't really capture the spirit of the franchise.

Plus, if "black samurai" was the assignment, Nagoriyuki is right there. Granted I don't see him getting in before Sol or Ky either but I think he fits Smash much better.

 

[DarthEnderX]

If we get UnderNight before Guilty Gear, I'll riot.

 

[BrawlX10]

On the subject of who’s eligible for smash I’ve often wondered about Donbe and Hikari. They’re part of Nintendos history but they’re based on fairytale characters. Don’t know enough about the games to say if they’d count as completely original

IIRC they're in Melee and Ultimate as collectibles, so i asume they're in a similar boat as Dracula.

 

[Gorgonzales]

I don't think it really means anything for Smash.
Speaking of Minecraft. I do think it's posible Minecraft World might not return and we get The Nether as a new Minecraft stage instead.
Melee, Brawl and Smash 4 gave each series a new stage (except Gyromite for some reason), so who knows.

I'd totally prefer the Nether as the Minecraft stage, especially if it comes with different biome variations like Minecraft World does. I love those warped forests.

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

IIRC they're in Melee and Ultimate as collectibles, so i asume they're in a similar boat as Dracula.

Donbe is also on the Nintendo Museum character wall just underneath Pikachu.

I think Shin Onigashima is an original work that heavily borrows from Japanese folklore, so I'm pretty sure Donbe and Hikari are original characters? Could be wrong though, only really did a cursory search on it.

 

[Thegameandwatch]

IIRC they're in Melee and Ultimate as collectibles, so i asume they're in a similar boat as Dracula.

Also Kid Icarus that had some characters from Greek Mythology. Some take inspiration from that while others are adaptations.

 

[fogbadge]

IIRC they're in Melee and Ultimate as collectibles, so i asume they're in a similar boat as Dracula.

well the castlevania dracula is pretty much an original character with a public domain name. also there's a difference between being a collectable and being a fighter. after all sakurai's comments about 4th party characters where in reference to the roster

Donbe is also on the Nintendo Museum character wall just underneath Pikachu.

I think Shin Onigashima is an original work that heavily borrows from Japanese folklore, so I'm pretty sure Donbe and Hikari are original characters? Could be wrong though, only really did a cursory search on it.

I thought they were based on Momotaro and Princess Kaguya

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

well the castlevania dracula is pretty much an original character with a public domain name. also there's a difference between being a collectable and being a fighter. after all sakurai's comments about 4th party characters where in reference to the roster

Well, the main reason cite is that it's just really hard to get the rights, which is probably why the only Disney thing Sora brought was Mickey's logo since it's a part of his character design.

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

I thought they were based on Momotaro and Princess Kaguya

I mean even if they are (which they probably are admittedly but I don't know anything about Shin Onigashima really), Momotaro dates back to like the 17th century and Kaguya-hime dates back to like the 10th century? lol

If we're talking like eligibility for Smash, I would assume original versions of folklore characters would count, just like how Pecharunt from Scarlet and Violet would likely be on the table for a Poke Ball summon (also based on Momotaro) lol

 

[fogbadge]

Well, the main reason cite is that it's just really hard to get the rights, which is probably why the only Disney thing Sora brought was Mickey's logo since it's a part of his character design.

depends on the character really

I mean even if they are (which they probably are admittedly but I don't know anything about Shin Onigashima really), Momotaro dates back to like the 17th century and Kaguya-hime dates back to like the 10th century? lol

If we're talking like eligibility for Smash, I would assume original versions of folklore characters would count, just like how Pecharunt from Scarlet and Violet would likely be on the table for a Poke Ball summon (also based on Momotaro) lol

I was talking about smash eligibility

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

I was talking about smash eligibility

Well in that case, I would definitely consider Donbe and Hikari eligible, just not really likely.

 

[Schnee117]

Eh, if what I've heard about Japan's response to Shadows is any indicator... it's not gonna be Yasuke.

Japan don't mind at large, you should stop listening to incel losers like Grummz on anything

 

[Swamp Sensei]

So, let's assume Castlevania comes back and Simon and Richter come back as each other's echos like before.

Alucard is the prime pick for the next character but how would you feel if the next character was Dracula instead?

 

[chocolatejr9]

Japan don't mind at large, you should stop listening to incel losers like Grummz on anything

I should probably mention I have no idea who Grummz is, and if I did I probably wouldn't watch their stuff...

 

[fogbadge]

Well in that case, I would definitely consider Donbe and Hikari eligible, just not really likely.

fair enough

So, let's assume Castlevania comes back and Simon and Richter come back as each other's echos like before.

Alucard is the prime pick for the next character but how would you feel if the next character was Dracula instead?

If we mod him into Myotismon I’m onboard

 

[Perkilator]

I should probably mention I have no idea who Grummz is, and if I did I probably wouldn't watch their stuff...

Then that’s probably for the best.

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

Japan don't mind at large, you should stop listening to incel losers like Grummz on anything

I mean I agree on Yasuke, but there is still the stuff that I remember going around about like architecture issues in-game, the Ubisoft booth basically using one of Zoro's swords from One Piece which made them look like they did no research at all, the figure with the half-torii gate, I think there was something about the destructible shrine stuff?

Generally speaking though I don't know why Yasuke would be the first Assassin's Creed character we'd get anyway, so yeah.

 

[BackseatSakurai]

Alucard is the prime pick for the next character but how would you feel if the next character was Dracula instead?

Toeing the line way too hard as far as fourth-party concerns go, imo. I know he's technically an original character but...it's Dracula.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Towing the line way too hard as far as fourth-party concerns go, imo. I know he's technically an original character but...it's Dracula.

Dracula is still a public domain character. We already have video game versions of public domain characters in Ultimate in a variety of roles. I don't think that argument stands.

 

[Thegameandwatch]

So, let's assume Castlevania comes back and Simon and Richter come back as each other's echos like before.

Alucard is the prime pick for the next character but how would you feel if the next character was Dracula instead?

Could work but it’s more likely in my opinion for Alucard to be the second original Castlevania rep.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Toeing the line way too hard as far as fourth-party concerns go, imo. I know he's technically an original character but...it's Dracula.

Castlevania's usage of the character diverges enough from Bram Stoker's work that I fail to see the issue. He's his own thing who just happens to be inspired by and also bear the same name as Dracula.

And given that he's actually in Ultimate as a boss, it seems that Sakurai doesn't see any issues either.

 

[Undella2]

I think the deal is that historical figures are public domain...as weird as that sounds, and while I don't think it'd be appropriate to just add real people like that straight up, video game interpretations of them are fair game. For example, I don't think adding Abraham Lincoln, the historical figure, would work within the series' scope, however, Abraham Lincoln, comic book character, and leader of a steampunk army named S.T.E.A.M. bent on stopping Cthulu aliens from destroying Earth is well within it.


Man even just reading the synopsis, Code Name S.T.E.A.M.'s story is absolutely wild.


IIRC Under Night In-Birth is an original IP. It's Melty Blood that's licensed, specifically off of the visual novel: Tsukuhime.

Doubt we'll be seeing either of French Bread's fighting games in Smash, but I wouldn't hate it if we did.

Tsukihime characters would still be technically valid (if unlikely) candidates for smash representation even still, though, right? What with being from a VN and all.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

So, let's assume Castlevania comes back and Simon and Richter come back as each other's echos like before.

Alucard is the prime pick for the next character but how would you feel if the next character was Dracula instead?

I can't really picture him as a fighter, but if they could make him work it'd probably be cool.

 

[Ivander]

So, let's assume Castlevania comes back and Simon and Richter come back as each other's echos like before.

Alucard is the prime pick for the next character but how would you feel if the next character was Dracula instead?

I'd be perfectly cool with Soma Cruz getting in next, as I love AoS/DoS alot.

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I wouldn't mind Dracula as a playable character, though I see Alucard getting in first, with Soma and Shanoa not too far behind as those two, alongside Maria Renard, are probably the most popular non-Belmonts next to Alucard. But I wouldn't be against Dracula getting in as a playable character.

 

[fogbadge]

Dracula is still a public domain character. We already have video game versions of public domain characters in Ultimate in a variety of roles. I don't think that argument stands.

Castlevania's usage of the character diverges enough from Bram Stoker's work that I fail to see the issue. He's his own thing who just happens to be inspired by and also bear the same name as Dracula.

And given that he's actually in Ultimate as a boss, it seems that Sakurai doesn't see any issues either.

why don’t we split the difference and put in the real life Dracula?

 

[ninjahmos]

Here's a pretty cool moveset for Blood Falcon:

I love how most of his moves are Captain Falcon's old moves from 64 and Melee.

On an unrelated note, I'm still hoping F-Zero returns with a new game for the Switch 2.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Is Under Night In-Birth elegible for Smash Bros? I just saw a tournament match of the second game and looks sick. Some of those characters would make cool playable characters and ATs, and the Stages and Music are pretty good too.
Would definitely be a cool suprise pick, if elegible.

The only characters in Under Night In-Birth that could be messy to get would likely be Eltnum and Akatsuki since they themselves are guest fighters from different fighting game series. And one could argue both of their origin series have other choices that are either less obscure (in the case of Eltnum) or funnier (in the case of Akatsuki because come on, getting Blitztank would be HILARIOUS!)

 

[Swamp Sensei]

why don’t we split the difference and put in the real life Dracula?

Well the answer is obvious.

Dracula isn't real, ya dummy.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Well the answer is obvious.

Dracula isn't real, ya dummy.

Fool! That's what he wants you to think!

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

why don’t we split the difference and put in the real life Dracula?

Finally, Vlad III is gonna impale the Smash roster

 

[Undella2]

If we get UnderNight before Guilty Gear, I'll riot.

I wonder, if they added Sol as a playable and if they added background cameo characters or whatnot like with King of Fighters, if Baiken would be left out for similar reasons to Mai's exclusion from Terry's stage.

 

[GoldenYuiitusin]

Well the answer is obvious.

Dracula isn't real, ya dummy.

Of course Dracula real, dummy!

Dracula got the swag!

 

[fogbadge]

Well the answer is obvious.

Dracula isn't real, ya dummy.

actually

Finally, Vlad III is gonna impale the Smash roster

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

I wonder, if they added Sol as a playable and if they added background cameo characters or whatnot like with King of Fighters, if Baiken would be left out for similar reasons to Mai's exclusion from Terry's stage.

"Baiken doesn't have the time to attend as part of the crowd, because she's too busy raising Delilah."
- Excuse to cover up the fact that CERO didn't want someone of her design in the game for good boys and girls

 

[Ivander]

Finally, Vlad III is gonna impale the Smash roster

Of course Dracula real, dummy!

Dracula got the swag!

Damn right he do! In both forms.

 

[chocolatejr9]

If this ends up being true, we may have to slightly update our definition of "Street Fighter rep":

Capcom reveals that the Darkstalkers series could be part of the Street Fighter universe

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Yeah Baiken probably wouldn't get in as a background element. If they did decide to make her playable, they could take inspiration from her older designs (which weren't nearly as focused on fanservice), close the hem on her kimono (at least I think she's wearing a kimono) a bit, and then maybe add a shirt or something that looks nice.

 

[Ivander]

If this ends up being true, we may have to slightly update our definition of "Street Fighter rep":

Capcom reveals that the Darkstalkers series could be part of the Street Fighter universe

Heck, if Darkstalkers became part of Street Fighter, you could probably put Ghost'n Goblins into the Street Fighter/Darkstalkers universe without it being weird.

 

[AreJay25]

If this ends up being true, we may have to slightly update our definition of "Street Fighter rep":

Capcom reveals that the Darkstalkers series could be part of the Street Fighter universe

Alright.

Final Fight in the SF universe makes sense. Rival Schools makes sense. I'll even say Strider maybe or maybe not being a part of it makes sense.

I'm really curious as to how they try to make Darkstalkers of all franchises work lmao.

 

[HyperSomari64]

Isn't Slam Masters canon to SF since Haggar is there and it's a prequel of sorts?

Even then, the Slam Masters characters in SF6 sounds cool, but then i remembered the wrestlers are dead, or very old at best.