Official Next Smash - Speculation & Discussion Thread

[ninjahmos]

If this ends up being true, we may have to slightly update our definition of "Street Fighter rep":

Capcom reveals that the Darkstalkers series could be part of the Street Fighter universe

If this ends up being true, that means we could get Morrigan (and hopefully Demitri) in a Street Fighter game for the first time.

 

[Thegameandwatch]

Here's a pretty cool moveset for Blood Falcon:

I love how most of his moves are Captain Falcon's old moves from 64 and Melee.

On an unrelated note, I'm still hoping F-Zero returns with a new game for the Switch 2.

At least gets to use his gun in this mod unlike Captain Falcon who has one in his 3D model but doesn’t use it because it doesn’t fit his character in Smash specifically and archetype reasons. Falcon Punch is also too iconic to be replaced.

 

[Undella2]

If this ends up being true, we may have to slightly update our definition of "Street Fighter rep":

Capcom reveals that the Darkstalkers series could be part of the Street Fighter universe

I mean, Yoshi, Donkey Kong, and Wario are all still separate series from Super Mario proper in Smash Bros. despite all being Mario "metaseries" characters, so to speak.

No-one's like, "ah yes, we need a new Mario rep like Dixie Kong or Ashley"

 

[HyperSomari64]

I mean, Yoshi, Donkey Kong, and Wario are all still separate series from Super Mario proper in Smash Bros. despite all being Mario "metaseries" characters, so to speak.

No-one's like, "ah yes, we need a new Mario rep like Dixie Kong or Ashley"

But they can appear in Mario Spin-Offs, even if Wario Land/Ware characters are forbbiden for who knows?

 

[Ivander]

Isn't Slam Masters canon to SF since Haggar is there and it's a prequel of sorts?

Even then, the Slam Masters characters in SF6 sounds cool, but then i remembered the wrestlers are dead, or very old at best.

One of the Slam Master wrestlers called the Wraith apparently has ties to the Makai, sometimes called the Demon World. It's practically the second world in Darkstalkers as some of the demons come from the Makai, like Demitri, who was sealed to Earth, and Morrigan. So in Darkstalkers, you have two places. Earth, which the first game takes place and Makai, which I think the game with Jedah as the main antagonist takes place in.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Alright.

Final Fight in the SF universe makes sense. Rival Schools makes sense. I'll even say Strider maybe or maybe not being a part of it makes sense.

I'm really curious as to how they try to make Darkstalkers of all franchises work lmao.

Technically we're dealing with a Harry Potter style urban fantasy where all the fantasy stuff is completely (or at least, mostly since I think Falicia is a publically known Darkstalker) unknown by the mundane world, so you could make that the argument for why these characters have "actually been around the whole time no really" but like...Seems kinda weak, especially with a ton of Street Fighter characters already being having fantasy tropes. Like, if Jeddah accidentally brought a regular human to the Magigan because she was so evil that he thought she was a Darkstalker, then why wouldn't he have pulled Akuma as well? Necalli?

It doesn't help that it's been implied that these characters are canonically fictional already.

 

[Slime Scholar]

So, let's assume Castlevania comes back and Simon and Richter come back as each other's echos like before.

Alucard is the prime pick for the next character but how would you feel if the next character was Dracula instead?

Pretty disappointed. Alucard makes much more sense both from a moveset standpoint and by virtue of being the character you actually play as.

TBH as a big Castlevania fan I don’t actually even care about Dracula as he’s represented in the series all that much. He’s iconic, obviously, but at the end of the day he’s really just like an evil wizard that shoots fireballs. Plus they’d have to shrink him down for Smash which doesn’t always work out so well.

if we couldn’t get Al, I’d sooner want Shanoa or Soma.

 

[GoldenYuiitusin]

So, let's assume Castlevania comes back and Simon and Richter come back as each other's echos like before.

Alucard is the prime pick for the next character but how would you feel if the next character was Dracula instead?

As Dracula Dracula, or Soma Cruz?

That may change some people's answers tbh.

 

[RouffWestie]

Toeing the line way too hard as far as fourth-party concerns go, imo. I know he's technically an original character but...it's Dracula.

Unfortunately, if we go by those rules, Alucard wouldn't be eligible either.

 

[Wonder Smash]

Japan don't mind at large, you should stop listening to incel losers like Grummz on anything

Who said they were even listening to Grummz?

 

[Hadokeyblade]

If this ends up being true, we may have to slightly update our definition of "Street Fighter rep":

Capcom reveals that the Darkstalkers series could be part of the Street Fighter universe

Always has been.

 

[RouffWestie]

So, let's assume Castlevania comes back and Simon and Richter come back as each other's echos like before.

Alucard is the prime pick for the next character but how would you feel if the next character was Dracula instead?

More Castlevania is always good. Put the fleaman in for all I care, I'd buy it.

 

[Thegameandwatch]

I mean, Yoshi, Donkey Kong, and Wario are all still separate series from Super Mario proper in Smash Bros. despite all being Mario "metaseries" characters, so to speak.

No-one's like, "ah yes, we need a new Mario rep like Dixie Kong or Ashley"

Especially WarioWare where it’s mostly disconnected outside of Wario himself and the occasional reference like Wario’s Bike in MKWii and a course in the arcade game.

 

[BrawlX10]

getting Blitztank would be HILARIOUS!

I can see Bliztank getting in as a suprise Assist Trophy or/and Boss. Not that is particulary likely, but we got Flies & Hand of all things as an AT in Ultimate, so who knows.

 

[GoldenYuiitusin]

I can see Bliztank getting in as a suprise Assist Trophy or/and Boss. Not that is particulary likely, but we got Flies & Hand of all things as an AT in Ultimate, so who knows.

That would only happen if we ended up getting Akatsuki Blitzkampf content in general, which is a tall order as much as I'd love to see the tank.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Honestly it makes sense as a move. Darkstalkers has repeatedly proven to be extremely niche, and while Capcom could fix that, they've repeatedly proven that they really don't want to take the risk of committing to anything other than a rerelease.

On the other hand, Darkstalkers characters have repeatedly proven to be super popular, and are the reason why the series has a noticeably high demand. So since Capcom sees potential in the characters, but no the series, Darkstalkers X Street Fighter makes all the sense. And hey, retconning the two series as one breaks Darkstalkers lore more than it breaks Street Fighters lore, so why not?

I don't love it, but I suppose the phrase "better than nothing" applies here. And NGL, I would be 10x more interested in Street Fighter 6 if I could play as a werewolf or a yeti or a giant mummy or something.

 

[Stratos]

One character I'm considering but I'm sure won't be coming as a newcomer to the Super Smash Bros. series is Klaymen, the protagonist of The Neverhood and its sequel Skullmonkeys. The Neverhood was a point-and-click adventure game while Skullmonkeys was a platformer. I've played Skullmonkeys before and really liked it, but even though he had the right moves there, I don't think I'd want Klaymen as a newcomer. For those who don't know Klaymen, here's his picture:

 

[Hadokeyblade]

Honestly it makes sense as a move. Darkstalkers has repeatedly proven to be extremely niche, and while Capcom could fix that, they've repeatedly proven that they really don't want to take the risk of committing to anything other than a rerelease.

On the other hand, Darkstalkers characters have repeatedly proven to be super popular, and are the reason why the series has a noticeably high demand. So since Capcom sees potential in the characters, but no the series, Darkstalkers X Street Fighter makes all the sense. And hey, retconning the two series as one breaks Darkstalkers lore more than it breaks Street Fighters lore, so why not?

I don't love it, but I suppose the phrase "better than nothing" applies here. And NGL, I would be 10x more interested in Street Fighter 6 if I could play as a werewolf or a yeti or a giant mummy or something.

It's believable that they exist in the same universe as Darkstalkers characters dont really interact with the human world that often so they probably just havent had a run in with the Street fighters.

 

[CosmicEternity44]

One character I'm considering but I'm sure won't be coming as a newcomer to the Super Smash Bros. series is Klaymen, the protagonist of The Neverhood and its sequel Skullmonkeys. The Neverhood was a point-and-click adventure game while Skullmonkeys was a platformer. I've played Skullmonkeys before and really liked it, but even though he had the right moves there, I don't think I'd want Klaymen as a newcomer. For those who don't know Klaymen, here's his picture:
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Ohhh, I made a moveset for that character, once.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

It's believable that they exist in the same universe as Darkstalkers characters dont really interact with the human world that often so they probably just havent had a run in with the Street fighters.

I can totally see the Darkstalkers not really interacting with Street Fighter's plots, but with the fate of the world at stake and other such shennanigans, there's really no explanation for why the Street Fighter characters didn't interact with the Darkstalkers plotlines.

 

[BuckleyTim]

Street fighter can be pretty cartoony at times, but darkstalkers is a notch above that. I'm just saying there's a reason not to cross the streams because I don't think the right tone for each series can be done at the same time. Like does SF6's setting involving the rapid development of a developing nation and shadaloo stroking tension there for nefarious gains really benefit from confirmation that cartoon fish men and werewolves are running around in the background? Yes it's not a serious drama but throwing everything and the kitchen sink at the roster is best reserved for something like a Capcom vs; I take issue with sf6's roster but more often than not the characters can serve the world and ongoing plot as well as they serve the gameplay.

Though if Morrigan came in as a guest and had a subplot of debatably canonicity in there... Well Id look the other way for that.

 

[BrawlX10]

I have noted several possibilities for the future of Smash Bros., and I'd like you to rate how possible each of them is:

• Regular Sequel: (Similar to Brawl and Smash 4 philosophy, featuring various character cuts and the usual flair.)
• Everyone is Here 2: (It does not cut characters and uses Ultimate very heavily as a base. It looks pretty similar, but it's not a port—think of it as a transition from Smash 4 to Ultimate again.)
• Reboot: (Self-explanatory. This would start with a potentially smaller roster and be completely built from the ground up.)
• Ultimate Deluxe: (A port of Ultimate with a few characters added.)
• Fighter Pass 3: (We don't get a new game or a port on the Switch 2, but we get a Fighter Pass 3.)

 

[Shinuto]

I have noted several possibilities for the future of Smash Bros., and I'd like you to rate how possible each of them is:

• Regular Sequel: (Similar to Brawl and Smash 4 philosophy, featuring various character cuts and the usual flair.)
• Everyone is Here 2: (It does not cut characters and uses Ultimate very heavily as a base. It looks pretty similar, but it's not a port—think of it as a transition from Smash 4 to Ultimate again.)
• Reboot: (Self-explanatory. This would start with a potentially smaller roster and be completely built from the ground up.)
• Ultimate Deluxe: (A port of Ultimate with a few characters added.)
• Fighter Pass 3: (We don't get a new game or a port on the Switch 2, but we get a Fighter Pass 3.)

The Internet would explode if it was a fighter pass 3

 

[BuckleyTim]

I have noted several possibilities for the future of Smash Bros., and I'd like you to rate how possible each of them is:

the rigamarole of "deluxe or heavy cuts" but in a slightly different format! Maybe in 30 pages we can do this in the form of a tier list!

Also, they're not gonna ditch ultimate as a base regardless of what they do. Smash 4 actually used brawl as a base, it just looks very different. I expect they'll continue to use what they've built beforehand in some fashion, even in the event of a total reboot (could you imagine a smash reboot? They're even more chained to having a large majority of the cast returning than normal fighting games so Itd be... interesting how they try to thread that needle.).

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

If this ends up being true, we may have to slightly update our definition of "Street Fighter rep":

Capcom reveals that the Darkstalkers series could be part of the Street Fighter universe

Street Fighter is really starting to be Capcom's answer to King of Fighters, isn't it?

Like, we already had...

1. Final Fight, and by extension Slam Masters
2. Rival Schools had implications due to the Sakura guest appearance in the first one before it was made very clear with Akira in SFV
3. Zeku seems to be implied to be the very first Strider, and thus retroactively being the origins of the Strider franchise, which also means Captain Commando can be considered a distant future of the SF series since that game has both a Bushinryu practitioner and a Strider
4. A Japanese-only book about SFV has made implications of Red Earth being part of its distant past as part of the lore behind Menat's crystal ball
5. Nakayama being cheeky about whether or not the OCs from cancelled Capcom Fighting All-Stars are part of it too

And now we got Darkstalkers.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Street fighter can be pretty cartoony at times, but darkstalkers is a notch above that.

It also gets way darker than Street Fighter does.

I have noted several possibilities for the future of Smash Bros., and I'd like you to rate how possible each of them is:

• Regular Sequel: (Similar to Brawl and Smash 4 philosophy, featuring various character cuts and the usual flair.)
• Everyone is Here 2: (It does not cut characters and uses Ultimate very heavily as a base. It looks pretty similar, but it's not a port—think of it as a transition from Smash 4 to Ultimate again.)
• Reboot: (Self-explanatory. This would start with a potentially smaller roster and be completely built from the ground up.)
• Ultimate Deluxe: (A port of Ultimate with a few characters added.)
• Fighter Pass 3: (We don't get a new game or a port on the Switch 2, but we get a Fighter Pass 3.)

• Highly likely.
• Impossible.
• Unlikely, but possible.
• Highly unlikely.
• Impossible.

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

I have noted several possibilities for the future of Smash Bros., and I'd like you to rate how possible each of them is:

• Regular Sequel: (Similar to Brawl and Smash 4 philosophy, featuring various character cuts and the usual flair.)
• Everyone is Here 2: (It does not cut characters and uses Ultimate very heavily as a base. It looks pretty similar, but it's not a port—think of it as a transition from Smash 4 to Ultimate again.)
• Reboot: (Self-explanatory. This would start with a potentially smaller roster and be completely built from the ground up.)
• Ultimate Deluxe: (A port of Ultimate with a few characters added.)
• Fighter Pass 3: (We don't get a new game or a port on the Switch 2, but we get a Fighter Pass 3.)

Regular Sequel is the only one I think is likely to begin with.

Sakurai outright said Everyone Is Here was unlikely to happen again, a reboot doesn't make any sense for a series like Smash when Sakurai doesn't even like tweaking movesets that much for fear of alienating fans from game to game, Ultimate Deluxe doesn't make any sense with backwards compatibility and Smash has never done ports before, and Fighters Pass 3 doesn't make any sense because it's completely contrary to the idea of promoting a new console.

 

[Ivander]

It also gets way darker than Street Fighter does.

Hmm, I wonder why Darkstalkers gets darker...looks back

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Street Fighter is really starting to be Capcom's answer to King of Fighters, isn't it?

Like, we already had...

1. Final Fight, and by extension Slam Masters
2. Rival Schools had implications due to the Sakura guest appearance in the first one before it was made very clear with Akira in SFV
3. Zeku seems to be implied to be the very first Strider, and thus retroactively being the origins of the Strider franchise, which also means Captain Commando can be considered a distant future of the SF series since that game has both a Bushinryu practitioner and a Strider
4. A Japanese-only book about SFV has made implications of Red Earth being part of its distant past as part of the lore behind Menat's crystal ball
5. Nakayama being cheeky about whether or not the OCs from cancelled Capcom Fighting All-Stars are part of it too

And now we got Darkstalkers.

INB4 they start having scientists build fighting robots so an alt universe Mega Man can also be cannon in the background.

But they don't ever add Mega Man since Seth already exists. Instead, they add Cut Man, who fits right in since he knows kung fu.

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

What I find most amusing about Darkstalkers being in the same universe as Street Fighter is the idea of mayor Mike Haggar being told that there are monsters attacking in Metro City, him taking a deep sigh, and then getting up go beat up vampires and werewolves like it's just another day at the office.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

What I find most amusing about Darkstalkers being in the same universe as Street Fighter is the idea of mayor Mike Haggar being told that there are monsters attacking in Metro City, him taking a deep sigh, and then getting up go beat up vampires and werewolves like it's just another day at the office.

"There are vampires and werewolves attacking Metro City!"
"HEY!"
"Make them respect the pipe with our newcomer, Mike Haggar!"

 

[SharkLord]

I think the deal is that historical figures are public domain...as weird as that sounds, and while I don't think it'd be appropriate to just add real people like that straight up, video game interpretations of them are fair game. For example, I don't think adding Abraham Lincoln, the historical figure, would work within the series' scope, however, Abraham Lincoln, comic book character, and leader of a steampunk army named S.T.E.A.M. bent on stopping Cthulu aliens from destroying Earth is well within it.


Man even just reading the synopsis, Code Name S.T.E.A.M.'s story is absolutely wild.

Also he's technically already been featured in Smash

 

[PersonAngelo53]

Is Under Night In-Birth elegible for Smash Bros? I just saw a tournament match of the second game and looks sick. Some of those characters would make cool playable characters and ATs, and the Stages and Music are pretty good too.
Would definitely be a cool suprise pick, if elegible.

What convinced me an Undernight in birth character would be cool in smash is this mod to be exact. Some of the characters definitely could have a pretty fun moveset.

 

[Wonder Smash]

Street Fighter is really starting to be Capcom's answer to King of Fighters, isn't it?

Like, we already had...

1. Final Fight, and by extension Slam Masters
2. Rival Schools had implications due to the Sakura guest appearance in the first one before it was made very clear with Akira in SFV
3. Zeku seems to be implied to be the very first Strider, and thus retroactively being the origins of the Strider franchise, which also means Captain Commando can be considered a distant future of the SF series since that game has both a Bushinryu practitioner and a Strider
4. A Japanese-only book about SFV has made implications of Red Earth being part of its distant past as part of the lore behind Menat's crystal ball
5. Nakayama being cheeky about whether or not the OCs from cancelled Capcom Fighting All-Stars are part of it too

And now we got Darkstalkers.

Yeah, that would be kinda super messy.

I'd rather it just stay Final Fight and Rival Schools and maybe Red Earth if it just remains in the distant past (though personally I'd rather that remains separate). But that's it. I hope Darkstalkers isn't also connected to Street Fighter. It's like mixing Double Dragon with BlazBlue. The characters and themes are so different that they just don't blend well with each other.

 

[CosmicEternity44]

You know, if Waluigi gets into next Smash Brothers, an area that has his famous Taco Stand should be his stage.

 

[HyperSomari64]

"There are vampires and werewolves attacking Metro City!"
"HEY!"
"Make them respect the pipe with our newcomer, Mike Haggar!"

Basically, a normal event on TEPPEN

 

[BrawlX10]

Sakurai outright said Everyone Is Here was unlikely to happen again

Wasn't that said before Ultimate came out, though? Not saying that EiH2 is going to happen, but things have changed since then.
Remember that Sakurai though Villager was unfit to battle in Brawl and he added him to the next game, anyways.

 

[BackseatSakurai]

Castlevania's usage of the character diverges enough from Bram Stoker's work that He's his own thing who just happens to be inspired by and also bear the same name as Dracula.

I know he's technically an original character but...

Unfortunately, if we go by those rules, Alucard wouldn't be eligible either.

That wasn't the question though.

 

[CosmicEternity44]

Wasn't that said before Ultimate came out, though? Not saying that EiH2 is going to happen, but things have changed since then.
Remember that Sakurai though Villager was unfit to battle in Brawl and he added him to the next game, anyways.

I am pretty sure Everyone is Here takes a lot more work than thinking of what to do with a character like Villager.

 

[DarthEnderX]

I wonder, if they added Sol as a playable and if they added background cameo characters or whatnot like with King of Fighters, if Baiken would be left out for similar reasons to Mai's exclusion from Terry's stage.

My understanding is Mai's biggest issue is probably upskirts. Which is easier to avoid with Baiken's outfit.

Alucard is the prime pick for the next character but how would you feel if the next character was Dracula instead?

I'd feel like, "This is fine, but it shoulda been Alucard."

I'd be perfectly cool with Soma Cruz getting in next, as I love AoS/DoS alot.

I mean, as playable Dracula's go, that's probably the better way to go.

I love how most of his moves are Captain Falcon's old moves from 64 and Melee.

I keep hoping Black Shadow will be a fairly direct copy off Melee Ganondorf.