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Official Next Smash - Speculation & Discussion Thread

The Stoopid Unikorn

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This one is a tough one, but what do you think the character's trailer will be named as? You can find the character's trailer name on the Super Smash Bros Youtube channel.

Ex.
:ultkrool:: The Rivals
:ultkazuya:: The Iron Fist of Darkness
:ultbanjokazooie:: Best Friends
:ultridley:: A Piercing Screech
:ultsephiroth:: The One-Winged Angel!
:ultshulk:
: Looks like we don't have a choice!
Alear: Emblem, Engage!
Octoling: Claiming the Turf
 
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This one is a tough one, but what do you think the character's trailer will be named as? You can find the character's trailer name on the Super Smash Bros Youtube channel.

Ex.
:ultkrool:: The Rivals
:ultkazuya:: The Iron Fist of Darkness
:ultbanjokazooie:: Best Friends
:ultridley:: A Piercing Screech
:ultsephiroth:: The One-Winged Angel!
  • Crash: The Orange Tornado
  • Dante: Devil Tears
  • Crono: Back in Time
  • Claude (Star Ocean): The Sea of Stars
  • 2B: Glory to Mankind
  • Chris Redfield: S.T.A.R.S
  • Morrigan: Call of the Night
  • Sans: The Lazybones
  • Sol Badguy: The Bad Guy
  • Lloyd Irving: Two Swords Are Better Than One!
  • Phoenix Wright: Turnabout Smash
  • Aether/Lumine: The Traveling Siblings
  • Gran: The Gran Debut!
  • Jinx: Get Jinxed!
    Sakura (Sakura Wars): Cherry Blossoms
    Arthur: Knight of the Round
    Fortnite: Victory Royale!
 

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This one is a tough one, but what do you think the character's trailer will be named as? You can find the character's trailer name on the Super Smash Bros Youtube channel.

Ex.
:ultkrool:: The Rivals
:ultkazuya:: The Iron Fist of Darkness
:ultbanjokazooie:: Best Friends
:ultridley:: A Piercing Screech
:ultsephiroth:: The One-Winged Angel!
:ultshulk:
: Looks like we don't have a choice!
Toad: Most Loyal Retainer
Tom Nook: Thank you for your patronage!
Tiki: The Voice Awakens
Dixie Kong: A New Kong Quest
King Boo: A Nightmare to Remember
 

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Someone made a moveset for the Masked Man from Mother 3:


If you know…you know.

His Final Smash is just another explosion, which is kinda lame. Overall though, pretty cool moveset.
He would be unique compared to other options but not sure if EarthBound will get a 3rd rep in general.

Especially since there is a chance that Lucas could be cut.
 

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Weren’t we gonna get a switch 1 direct tomorrow? I don’t see an announcement yet from Nintendo. Dang guess those rumors were fake oof.
I thought it was for Thursday, not Wednesday. Especially since NatetheHate, the same one who stuck to the Switch 2 shadowdrop trailer reveal date, has said something appears planned for Thursday, though he's not certain if it will be a Direct.
 
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Especially since there is a chance that Lucas could be cut.
A bit unrelated, but i could see Lucas staying (well unless there's massive cuts), since he's pretty popular with the Smash fanbase itself, even yeah, i guess Earthbound doesn't really need 2 reps in 2025+, but i think popularity within the smash fandom also matters for certain characters more than people think. That's one of the reasons why i think Piranha Plant is more likely to return than Corrin.
 

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I thought it was for Thursday, not Wednesday. Especially since NatetheHate, the same one who stuck to the Switch 2 shadowdrop trailer reveal date, has said something appears planned for Thursday, though he's not certain if it will be a Direct.

Just using this video as one example but am confused in the exact date cause I keep seeing every YouTuber thumbnail putting march 26 as the date for the direct which would be tomorrow on Wednesday not on Thursday.
 

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I have learnt to never count anything out. Nintendo did shadow drop the Switch 2 reveal after all. We'll see what happens on Thursday.
We'll see what happens tomorrow, actually.

Nintendo can do a lot of out-of-left-field things, but shadowdropping an entire Direct is not within their wheelhouse.

If no news of it show up tomorrow, we ain't getting a Direct on Thursday.
 
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I've brought this up before, but now I think I have a fleshed out version of my crackpot Smash idea: Pink Gold Peach as an Echo Fighter of Peach.

She'd be the same as Peach, but Vegetable is replaced with Item Box. Item Boxes act very similarly to capsules, but their item pools and RNG systems are different. Sometimes the Item Box is a fake, exploding on impact (or if attacked) instead of releasing an item. You'll only be able to tell once you throw or Z-drop it, as it turns red while in the air. If Z-dropped (or are knocked out of your hands), both versions of item box land softly on the ground, and do not break open.

If the person throwing the Item Box is winning:
  • Green Shell (Common)
  • Banana Peel (Semi-Common)
  • Poison Mushroom (Semi-Rare)
  • Super Horn (Rare)
    • The horn's sound knocks opponents away and reflects projectiles with a strong multiplier, but can only be used once before it becomes a normal throwing item.
Pink Gold Peach pulls Fake Item Boxes more often while winning.

If they are tied/in the middle of the pack:
  • Green Shell (Common)
  • Red Shell (Common)
    • Like the Green Shell, but turns around when hitting opponents.
  • Banana Peel (Common)
  • Heart (Semi-Rare)
    • Two hearts twirl around you. If a projectile hits one, it is destroyed, and if the projectile was an item, it is put in your hands.
  • Super Mushroom (Rare)
If they are losing:
  • Green Shell (Common)
  • Red Shell (Common)
  • Banana Peel (Common)
  • Bullet Bill (Semi-Rare)
  • Bob-omb (Semi-Rare)
  • Ligntining Bolt (Rare)
  • Spiny Shell (Rare)
  • Superstar (Very Rare)
 

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but shadowdropping an entire Direct is not within their wheelhouse
There was that Mini Direct that was shadowdropped in March 2020, and frankly if this alleged Direct is focused on Switch 1 games this late I imagine it's a mini.
 
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An OG Switch Direct after a Switch 2 Direct was just announced seems kinda sketchy to me…but it's not impossible.
I guess the rumored Kirby Planet Robobot HD and Fire Emblem Genealogy Of The Holy War Remake could be Switch 1 games. And the rest could just be third party. I don't know though cause already Metroid Prime 4 and Pokemon Legends ZA are on Switch 1 and we don't know for sure if either of them are cross console. I know the Switch has a huge player base but it seems like kind of a bad idea to have so many Switch 1 games coming out this year if they want people to buy the Switch 2.
I'm gonna be honest and just say I don't buy it. I'll believe it when I see it.
 

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A bit unrelated, but i could see Lucas staying (well unless there's massive cuts), since he's pretty popular with the Smash fanbase itself, even yeah, i guess Earthbound doesn't really need 2 reps in 2025+, but i think popularity within the smash fandom also matters for certain characters more than people think. That's one of the reasons why i think Piranha Plant is more likely to return than Corrin.
I really wouldn't say Lucas is that popular. He has his fans sure but I'd wager there are far bigger fish than him. Also, elephant in the room - his game is still Japan exclusive - which we know is a dealbreaker for Sakurai. Lucas is unfortunately a very easy cut going forward.
 

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I really wouldn't say Lucas is that popular. He has his fans sure but I'd wager there are far bigger fish than him. Also, elephant in the room - his game is still Japan exclusive - which we know is a dealbreaker for Sakurai. Lucas is unfortunately a very easy cut going forward.
He’s the best base for Vivi mods so I’d like to keep him for that reason even though I don’t have a ton of interest in Earthbound otherwise.
 

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Weren’t we gonna get a switch 1 direct tomorrow? I don’t see an announcement yet from Nintendo. Dang guess those rumors were fake oof.
I mean considering they announced the Switch 2 Direct after they showed off the console an unprecedented 3 months before it happens and even gave us the time it starts way early, all I expect to happen soon is Nintendo telling us roughly how long the Direct will be, since announcing it so far ahead of time feels to me like they're focusing it down.

Having a Switch 1 Direct at this point, a week before the Switch 2 and presumably a bunch of titles for it are announced, would just serve to overshadow the Switch 1 titles, especially if all I can think of that they'd have is a date for Prime 4 (which may be in the Switch 2 Direct anyway), rumors of a bunch of remakes/ports (I've seen things for Robobot, FE4, Twilight Princess, and Wind Waker, the latter two of which have been rumored for like 4 years now), and that Professor Layton game we still basically don't know anything about lol
 

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I imagine if we get anything this week it’ll be either a Partner Direct or Indie Showcase. I dunno I feel like Backwards Compatibility will be a big part of the Switch 2 direct so I could see them announcing a new direct and then at the Switch 2 Direct be like “Hey! All those games we just announced? Well they play even BETTER on Switch 2!” Or something like that.

We shall see.
 

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So the Nintendo Music app now has a playlist for Waddle Dee. That's fine and all, but they put some tracks specific to Bandana Waddle Dee in there. They are separating Bandana Waddle Dee as his own character. Granted, any playlist for Bandana Waddle Dee or Waddle Dee would be pretty short without the other, but what do you think?
 

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I imagine if we get anything this week it’ll be either a Partner Direct or Indie Showcase. I dunno I feel like Backwards Compatibility will be a big part of the Switch 2 direct so I could see them announcing a new direct and then at the Switch 2 Direct be like “Hey! All those games we just announced? Well they play even BETTER on Switch 2!” Or something like that.

We shall see.
I mean sure, but considering people are gonna be buying a new console and most likely the new Mario Kart as well (since 8 Deluxe sold like crazy), meaning at least a 400 dollar investment, how many of those people are ALSO going to buy a bunch of new ports or a remake as their "backwards compatible" selling point as opposed to any of the other massive-selling already released Switch games they could also use to emphasize the point?
So the Nintendo Music app now has a playlist for Waddle Dee. That's fine and all, but they put some tracks specific to Bandana Waddle Dee in there. They are separating Bandana Waddle Dee as his own character. Granted, any playlist for Bandana Waddle Dee or Waddle Dee would be pretty short without the other, but what do you think?
I mean he is the representative of all the Waddle Dees, so I don't think it's super weird or anything tbh?
 
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Which 3rd party newcomers introduced in Ultimate do you think are most likely to return and the least likely?
 

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Which 3rd party newcomers introduced in Ultimate do you think are most likely to return and the least likely?
In my opinion, Banjo is a pretty solid contender for most likely to return.

He was highly requested (said to be number 2 after Sora, at least out of realizable characters) and is thus a popular character, he was incredibly easy to license, Microsoft wants to maintain a relationship with Nintendo, and they have plenty of IPs that they don't need to use Banjo as a DLC bargaining chip.

Frankly he's such a low risk high reward character, if he isn't in next game's base game, I'd be shocked.

As for least likely, in my personal opinion I feel like that's going to be Sephiroth, because I'm of the opinion that Square will make Cloud and Sephiroth a sort of DLC dual pack thing, since the FF7 Remake series is still a big push for them and will be for a while yet, and if rumors are right and those games start coming to Switch 2 then doubly so.
 

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Earlier this year we got the announcement of a Yakuza crossover with Dave the Diver, now Yakuza is crossing over with Among Us, next it will be Super Smash Bros. Trust 🙏
Kiryu isn't allowed to fight women but he sure can kill Cadence von Necrodancer in sussy game. :4pacman:
 
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Not long ago we got the announcement of a Yakuza crossover with Dave the Diver, now Yakuza is crossing over with Among Us, next it will be Super Smash Bros. Trust 🙏
There is something hilariously morbid about how Green is apparently the one who tried to kill Red, but is over next to Blue just clapping to Red singing after his dog saved his life.
 
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Which 3rd party newcomers introduced in Ultimate do you think are most likely to return and the least likely?
Sonic, Mega Man and Pac-Man are most likely to return since they are the big gaming characters for their respected company.

For the least likely.........I could guess Joker, Steve, and Snake. I may be wrong, but it is all speculation. Plus, we still have Ultimate for Switch 2 as it can play switch games, so not a complete loss....
 
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An OG Switch Direct after a Switch 2 Direct was just announced seems kinda sketchy to me…but it's not impossible.
Makes sense to me, though I thought it'd be earlier. They probably still have a few Switch games they want to showcase for the rest of the year, and the Switch 2 presentation likely will only feature Switch 2 games (cross-releases and demonstrating upscaled og Switch games aside) for the sake of focus.

This is really the last time the og Switch and its games (excepting Pokemon) has a chance to be treated as more than an afterthought. Come April, Switch 2 marketing is going to dominate the rest of the year and beyond.

Though only giving the games a week until people move on to the bigger, more headlining titles in the Switch 2 showcase is basically already treating it as an afterthought tbh.


Here is another big rumor going around. I honestly don’t know how to feel about this one. Just doesn’t sound right to me. Some people have theorized that it be shown in the direct for the switch 1 this week instead but still sounds weird to me.
There was an earlier claim that MP4 will "blow everything else out of the water" during the Switch 2 showcase. Guess we'll see which one is right. I don't know if it'll blow everything else out of the water, but it at least showing up seems a lot likelier to me than alleging the opposite.

If we get a direct this week and MP4 doesn't show, I have very little doubt it'll be at the showcase.

Which 3rd party newcomers introduced in Ultimate do you think are most likely to return and the least likely?
I think Steve is most likely. Get that Minecraft money.

Least likely is much harder. Joker, Terry, Sephiroth and Kazuya seem more expendable to me than the others, but who really knows. Some argue it'd be Sora since he was so hard to get, but that overlooks that the hardest part of landing him has already been done. It'll be easier with the bridges built.

Sonic, Mega Man and Pac-Man are most likely to return since they are the big gaming characters for their respected company.
None of those were newcomers to Ultimate.
 

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Least likely is much harder. Joker, Terry, Sephiroth and Kazuya seem more expendable to me than the others, but who really knows. Some argue it'd be Sora since he was so hard to get, but that overlooks that the hardest part of landing him has already been done. It'll be easier with the bridges built.
Obviously I agree on Sephiroth, but I think Kazuya is surprisingly likely to come back, especially if Namco continues being the team helping with Smash.

Not specifically mentioning it because you said it, but I feel like I've seen Kazuya as least likely a lot lol
 

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Obviously I agree on Sephiroth, but I think Kazuya is surprisingly likely to come back, especially if Namco continues being the team helping with Smash.

Not specifically mentioning it because you said it, but I feel like I've seen Kazuya as least likely a lot lol
If we get no new Namco characters sure. If we do get a Namco newcomer, I can see Kazuya getting lower priority. I also think his complexity, adding dev time, conjuncted with his kinda muted reception don't help either.

I mean that's basically why I think Sephiroth is as expendable as he is. I just think if the current Square characters have to make room for a newcomer, the one likeliest to be collateral damage is him.

How many third-parties do you think have to get cut before Kazuya is axed? Because unlike with first-parties there's no real fat to trim, you're instantly cutting into characters with good reasons to be there. It's just that... some have to be lower priority than others, so even minor shortcomings could be costly.
 

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I’m a bit hopeful we’ll be able to keep Sephiroth around. The Final Fantasy VII remakes are still ongoing so he and Cloud will remain relevant for quite some time. If they’re going to go through the licensing effort to bring Cloud back, I imagine it wouldn’t be that difficult to bring back Sephiroth as well.
 
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