Official Next Smash - Speculation & Discussion Thread

[Hadokeyblade]

Nikki reminds me that Miiverse stage is forever gone. Never again will we have an actual stage that feeds you ****posts while you fight. Top 5 Stage in Smash history.

I miss my beloved so much

 

[chocolatejr9]

And then there’s Tingle.

TBF, I think Nintendo wants the world to forget about him (as much as that sucks, he's a funny fellow)...

 

[Gengar84]

No, because regardless of it being from the N64 game, the game itself is still part of the 007 IP.

It just happens to be specifically from a part that Nintendo had (until Rare was sold) copyright in.
So a bomb's design from a (then) Nintendo game that was original to said (then) Nintendo game.

Exactly. That’s the point I’m trying to make. I don’t really like the term 4th party either, which is why I put it in quotes. It’s just the easiest way to refer to properties originating outside video games for the purposes of Smash discussion.

 

[Will]

I miss my beloved so much

People who missed out just don’t get it.

 

[Perkilator]

I miss my beloved so much

I hope it comes back as a proper social media site for not just the Switch 2, but for computers and mobile devices as well.

 

[Will]

I hope it comes back as a proper social media site for not just the Switch 2, but for computers and mobile devices as well.

The lack of drawing posts wouldn’t make it feel the same imo

 

[Gengar84]

I loved the goofiness of that stage but I wonder if removing it was the right call. I’m worried people could use it to spread hate speech and similar things. I’m guessing they removed it because it might have been way too much work to moderate it and remove that kind of stuff. Maybe I’m wrong though.

 

[Perkilator]

The lack of drawing posts wouldn’t make it feel the same imo

I mean, ideally, the Switch 2 Miiverse should keep the drawings as well.

 

[fogbadge]

I loved the goofiness of that stage but I wonder if removing it was the right call. I’m worried people could use it to spread hate speech and similar things. I’m guessing they removed it because it might have been way too much work to moderate it and remove that kind of stuff. Maybe I’m wrong though.

Well it certainly would require extra censoring so I imagine it would have played something of a factor

 

[Noipoi]

And then there’s Tingle.

He's dead : /

 

[Perkilator]

I loved the goofiness of that stage but I wonder if removing it was the right call. I’m worried people could use it to spread hate speech and similar things. I’m guessing they removed it because it might have been way too much work to moderate it and remove that kind of stuff. Maybe I’m wrong though.

I think it’s mostly because the Switch doesn’t have Miiverse at all.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

I loved the goofiness of that stage but I wonder if removing it was the right call. I’m worried people could use it to spread hate speech and similar things. I’m guessing they removed it because it might have been way too much work to moderate it and remove that kind of stuff. Maybe I’m wrong though.

It's likely because they didn't think effectively building an in-game Miiverse was not worth it and likely would have taken too much time.

Because the lack of Miiverse sure as hell didn't stop Splatoon or Mario Maker 2 from doing their own thing.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

TBF, I think Nintendo wants the world to forget about him (as much as that sucks, he's a funny fellow)...

The Wind Waker is my favorite game in the LoZ series, but it will sadly forever be at least partly to blame for the Tingle hate.

He went from being a genuinely helpful character who only showed up on occasion in Majora's Mask to someone who basically makes you drain your bank account in Wind Waker in order to complete a side quest that many consider tedious and less interesting than the rest of the game (and only exists in the first place because the developers were forced to cut a bunch of cool content and unfinished dungeons for the sake of getting the game out in time for Christmas sales). The HD remake mitigates it by only requiring you to pay him to decipher a few charts instead of all of them like in the original, but by then the damage had already long been done.

 

[fogbadge]

He's dead : /

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he’s a Zelda character. he’ll be reincarnated

 

[Will]

I loved the goofiness of that stage but I wonder if removing it was the right call. I’m worried people could use it to spread hate speech and similar things. I’m guessing they removed it because it might have been way too much work to moderate it and remove that kind of stuff. Maybe I’m wrong though.

It was a fun experiment, though I don’t know if Nintendo is interested in testing social media again.

I’m not concerned about potential inappropriate content being posted again having a say in it going live again. Have you seen the amount of actual suggestive or downright pornographic content built on STAGE CREATOR for everyone to upload and download online?

 

[Gengar84]

It was a fun experiment, though I don’t know if Nintendo is interested in testing social media again.

I’m not concerned about potential inappropriate content being posted again having a say in it going live again. Have you seen the amount of actual suggestive or downright pornographic content built on STAGE CREATOR for everyone to upload and download online?

Good point. I’m not really sure what the solution is then. As funny as it was, I can live without the Miiverse stage but I’d hate to lose Stage Builder.

 

[Ivander]

"What about a party?"
"We already had three."
"We had three yes. What about 4th Party?"

I don't think they know about 4th Party, Pip.

 

[Will]

Good point. I’m not really sure what the solution is then. As funny as it was, I can live without the Miiverse stage but I’d hate to lose Stage Builder.

Im pretty sure this was an issue during SSB4 as well if I’m not mistaken. Probably Brawl as well but without the ability to share it online publicly using the game.

Every creative outlet is going to have someone use it for sexual expression. And if Smash fans are repressed in any way, shape, or form…

 

[CapitaineCrash]

I'm not sure if this has been discussed, but which Assist Trophies do you think might not return? Honestly, I think every AT they have now has a decent chance of returning; I don't think there are any obvious cuts. However, there are a few that might be less certain:

Arcade Bunny, Nikki, Andross, Riki, Yuri, Nightmare, Burrowing Snagret—I could see at least one of these not coming back. Yes, I think Flies & Hand is likely to return.

Honestly I'd like to get a lot of change in the Assist trophy department. Like, I get why they don't shake up too much the roster between each game, because people have big attachment for playable characters, but I feel like they should take much more liberty with the AT instead of still gettint the same AT from Brawl. For example, you could remove Jeff for Kumatora or Samurai Goroh for Black Shadow or Knuckle Joe for Morpho knight or something else from Kirby.

I do feel like most AT who represent franchise with no playable characters should stay tho. I don't really see why they would cut Yuri, unless they replace her with another Fatal frame protagonist. I love horror game representation and we got so little of it.

 

[smashkirby]

Expanding on representation is a noble goal and one that can definitely be attained by cinching the waist of the veteran roster, but I think it also ties into another type of unsustainable practice that the Smash community is upholding: The focus on playable characters as the only “meaningful” representation. Playable characters are some of the most resource-intensive things in the game, so going scorched earth on the veteran roster to let, say, the Pilotwings 64 character cast see their much-deserved light of day might not be the most development-cost-effective way to go about it. A stage cameo, Assist Trophy or captivating trophy description (Will Pit fight another day?) might also get enough eyes on them. These forms of representation might also be easier to rotate out per game, so the Smash series can cover a broader range of series and the spotlight can shine on series when they are at their most relevant.

As much as Lark from Pilotwings 64 has been feverishly requested, probably an instance of a stage being acceptable representation.

For what it's worth... while I'd LOVE for Lark (or any member of the cast of Pilotwings 64) to be playable, I'm still realistic enough to settle for Holiday Island to simply be added to the Pilotwings stage or be its OWN stage...

Here’s a fun hypothetical question I wonder to myself sometimes: If RARE had been acquired by Nintendo rather than Microsoft back in the day like they were hoping for, how many characters do you think they would have in Smash right now? I feel like we’d at least have Banjo, Rash, Joanna Dark, Fulgore and Conker by now. Maybe even all of them as early as Brawl. RARE’s games were among the most beloved and iconic games on the SNES and N64. It’s wild to think about how different Smash could have looked.

I think if there wasn’t any issues or if Nintendo bought them earlier then it’s likely that Rare related stuff such as Banjo would have gotten trophies in Melee.

One unrelated fact is that the Smash Poll that happened before Melee considered Diddy Kong as a Rare related character despite Nintendo owning the character.

If I remember correctly, the Blast Corps and Jet Force Gemini both got requests to be playable in Smash, didn't they? During the Smash 2 poll, I mean.

Actually, to sort of piggyback off of that question Gengar84 asked, what do we think about the Blast Corps and Juno and Vela (from J.F.G.) getting into Smash, had Nintendo bought Rare? Do any of you think they (especially Juno and Vela) would have gotten the Alph/Koopaling-styled treatment of alternate skins?

 

[Gengar84]

For what it's worth... while I'd LOVE for Lark (or any member of the cast of Pilotwings 64) to be playable, I'm still realistic enough to settle for Holiday Island to simply be added to the Pilotwings stage or be its OWN stage...




If I remember correctly, the Blast Corps and Jet Force Gemini both got requests to be playable in Smash, didn't they? During the Smash 2 poll, I mean.

Actually, to sort of piggyback off of that question Gengar84 asked, what do we think about the Blast Corps and Juno and Vela (from J.F.G.) getting into Smash, had Nintendo bought Rare? Do any of you think they (especially Juno and Vela) would have gotten the Alph/Koopaling-styled treatment of alternate skins?

I feel like Blast Corps could have made for a cool stage but I think the characters would have been way too big to be playable. My friend is obsessed with that game even today though lol. As for Jet Force Gemini, that’s one game I’ve never actually played. I suspect it wasn’t as big as the RARE games I regularly bring up here but I might be biased. I’ve heard it was a fun game though.

 

[Dukefire]

Here's a fun topic. If the Boxing Ring stage returns for the next game, what would the new challenger's title be?

Here's a couple from me.....
Shantae: Half Genie Guardian
Crash: Wumpa Bandicoot or Woah! Woah! Woah!

 

[Perkilator]

Here's a fun topic. If the Boxing Ring stage returns for the next game, what would the new challenger's title be?

Here's a couple from me.....
Shantae: Half Genie Guardian
Crash: Wumpa Bandicoot or Woah! Woah! Woah!

Ryu Hayabusa: Legendary Black Falcon

 

[fogbadge]

Here's a fun topic. If the Boxing Ring stage returns for the next game, what would the new challenger's title be?

Toad: Rumbling Retainer
Toadette: Brigade Archivist
Chibi-Robo: Joy Bringer
Tails: Believes in Himself
Grunty: Wicked Winkybunion
Octoling: Fresh Cephalopod
Impa: Shiekah Sage
Chorus Kids: Voice of Paradise
Roxas: Key of Destiny
Rex: Master Driver
Noah: Keves Off-Seer

 

[Gengar84]

Here's a fun topic. If the Boxing Ring stage returns for the next game, what would the new challenger's title be?

Here's a couple from me.....
Shantae: Half Genie Guardian
Crash: Wumpa Bandicoot

Here’s a few off the top of my head:

Jinx: The Loose Cannon
Rash: Toad with the ‘Tude
Magus: The Dark Prophet
Illidan: The Betrayer
Kerrigan: The Queen of Blades
Sub-Zero: The Cryomancer
Lu Bu: Do Not Pursue!
Fulgore: Ultratech’s Ultimate Weapon
Zero: The Maverick Hunter
Alphen/Shionne: Bound by Flames and Thorns

 

[Wonder Smash]

Here's a fun topic. If the Boxing Ring stage returns for the next game, what would the new challenger's title be?

Here's a couple from me.....
Shantae: Half Genie Guardian
Crash: Wumpa Bandicoot or Woah! Woah! Woah!

Hayabusa: The Dragon Ninja
Kunio: The Hot-Blooded Tough Guy
Riki: The Banchō of Hanazono High
Doom Slayer: The Unchained Predator
Billy: The Blue Dragon Master
Jimmy: The Red Dragon Master

 

[Shinuto]

Toad: Rumbling Retainer
Toadette: Brigade Archivist
Chibi-Robo: Joy Bringer
Tails: Believes in Himself
Grunty: Wicked Winkybunion
Octoling: Fresh Cephalopod
Impa: Shiekah Sage
Chorus Kids: Voice of Paradise
Roxas: Key of Destiny
Rex: Master Driver
Noah: Keves Off-Seer

KOS-MOS: Princess of First Division
Marina Liteyears: Trouble Making Cubot
Tinkaton: Hammering Gremlin
Rayman: Armless Wonder
Dr. Eggman: The Egg Supreme

 

[Will]

Speaking of Punch Out, there is one thing I’ve always wanted.

I usually dislike the premise of walkoff stages but a New York City stage with Doc Louis on a bike in the background? And maybe Little Mac in the suit if he’s not actively being played?

Big Blue can eat its heart out, this would be peak Mac baby

 

[GoldenYuiitusin]

Here's a fun topic. If the Boxing Ring stage returns for the next game, what would the new challenger's title be?

Here's a couple from me.....
Shantae: Half Genie Guardian
Crash: Wumpa Bandicoot or Woah! Woah! Woah!

I'll bite and do a couple.

Shadow: The Ultimate Life Form (Yeah, original)
Waluigi: Cheater Extraordinaire
Amaterasu: Origin Of All That Is Good/Mother To Us All
Springtrap: He Always Comes Back/The Man Behind The Slaughter
Heavy: Likes To Shoot Gun (seems silly but it's a throwback to the prequel to his Meet the Team video where he insists on not talking about himself or his past. "I like to shoot gun. Is all you need to know.")
Funky Kong: The Main Monkey
Shovel Knight: The Blue Burrower/Shovel of Hope
Peppino: It's Pizza Time!

 

[Noipoi]

Here's a fun topic. If the Boxing Ring stage returns for the next game, what would the new challenger's title be?

Here's a couple from me.....
Shantae: Half Genie Guardian
Crash: Wumpa Bandicoot or Woah! Woah! Woah!

Shadow: The Ultimate Lifeform
Rayman: Limbless Wonder
Crash Bandicoot: Manic Mutant/Bane of Crates
Sans: Comic Sans/The Judge
Koraidon: Winged King
Miraidon: Iron Serpent

 

[Wario Wario Wario]

Neat little video from a channel I like. Don't typically post here but felt it'd be of relevance to a general Smash discussion spot given it basically tackles and debunks the little brother of "Mortal Kombat is banned in Japan".

 

[Laniv]

Here's a fun topic. If the Boxing Ring stage returns for the next game, what would the new challenger's title be?

Here's a couple from me.....
Shantae: Half Genie Guardian
Crash: Wumpa Bandicoot or Woah! Woah! Woah!

Toad: The Original Mushroom Retainer
Pauline: Mayor of New Donk City
Mr. Sandman: Dreamland Express
Glass Joe: France's Glass Jaw
King Boo: The Sovereign of Screams
Tom Nook: Smashville's Shopkeeper
Tiki: The Divine Voice
Bandana Dee: Helper to Hero
Dixie Kong: The Pugnacious Ponytail
Lyn: Lady of the Plains

 

[Hadokeyblade]

Here's a fun topic. If the Boxing Ring stage returns for the next game, what would the new challenger's title be?

Here's a couple from me.....
Shantae: Half Genie Guardian
Crash: Wumpa Bandicoot or Woah! Woah! Woah!

"Turnabout Terror" for Phoenix Wright and "Locum student" for his echo fighter Ryunosuke

"Net Saviour" Megaman.EXE

"Warrior of Courage" Agumon

"Ultimate life form" Shadow the hedgehog

"Lord of the wind" Cybuster

 

[ninjahmos]

Here's a fun topic. If the Boxing Ring stage returns for the next game, what would the new challenger's title be?

Here's a couple from me.....
Shantae: Half Genie Guardian
Crash: Wumpa Bandicoot or Woah! Woah! Woah!

Tails: Twin-Tailed Tornado
Knuckles: Knock Knock, It's Knuckles… & Knuckles
Nobunaga: Demon King of Owari
Scorpion: Specter of Vengeance
Sub-Zero: Cold-Blooded Assassin
Rick Taylor: Masked Terror
Reimu: Bullet Maiden

 

[BrawlX10]

I do wonder if some of the Assist Trophy cuts happened because they would've overlapped in functionality with newly introduced items. Jill and Drill is a pretty easy comparison to make. Isaac and Gust Bellows might be reaching, but when the golden boy made his comeback in Ultimate the devs made sure he did more than just push people left or right.

That's honestly probably the reason for some of them. However, it's worth noting that we also have the Beetle/Boss Galaga items and the Arcade Bunny Assist Trophy co-existing in the same game. I know this might seem like a stretch since they're items and not Assist Trophies, but we also have Cuccos and Beehives, which are nearly identical in function.

Skull Kid and Ashley share some similarities, yet both appear together in two games. It's a bit strange. Perhaps some characters were cut due to overlapping with others, like Jill and Kat/Ana, while some, like Saki, Infantry, and Tanks, were removed randomly.

Nikki reminds me that Miiverse stage is forever gone. Never again will we have an actual stage that feeds you ****posts while you fight. Top 5 Stage in Smash history.

To be honest, I could see the Miiverse stage returning as DLC in a future game as a nostalgic throwback. However, I don't think the iconic random posts will make a comeback. Instead, it's likely that each character will have predefined posts created by Nintendo or through fan contests. It would be fun if, for every DLC fighter, they held a fan contest for the stage posts and added the top eight submissions to the Miiverse stage.


Honestly, unless the Smash series concludes sooner than expected, I don't think anything not included in Ultimate is necessarily gone forever. They could always bring back items like the Fan or the Cracker Launcher, defunct modes like Board the Platforms or Coin Launcher, and even old moves—after all, we saw Kirby's dash attack return from Melee. While it's unlikely, it's not impossible, including the Miiverse stage.

 

[fogbadge]

KOS-MOS: Princess of First Division
Marina Liteyears: Trouble Making Cubot
Tinkaton: Hammering Gremlin
Rayman: Armless Wonder
Dr. Eggman: The Egg Supreme

I think you quoted the wrong one

King Boo: The Sovereign of Screams

oh I like this one

 

[DarthEnderX]

Ken and Chun li's kids were little in 3 and teenagers in 6.

The math just adds up there.

It would, if SF behaved like the real world.

It doesn't. SF operates on a sliding timeline. The same way comic books do. Ryu and Chun Li are not 50 for the same reason that Batman and Superman aren't 100. And why kids in comics grow up, but the adults don't get old.

The current SF game always takes place "now" with the other games in the series shifting around in relation to the current game.

For example: When SF3 first came it it was taking place in 1997. Because that was "now" at the time it came out. But when SF4 came out, it was taking place in 2009, because that was "now" when IT came out. But SF3 takes place AFTER SF4. Which means SF3 now takes place sometime AFTER 2009.

The most obvious example of this is SF5. Which still takes place before SF3. But a bunch of characters in that game have smart phones and messenger apps. If SF3 was still taking place when it was originally, SF5 would be someplace in the 90s, when those things didn't even exist.

The way the SF timeline is currently is:
SF6 is happening NOW
SF3 was "a few years ago"
SF5 is "a little before that"
SF4 is "a little before that"
SF2 is "a little before that"
SFAlpha is "a little before that"
SF1 is "a little before that"
The entire series takes place over, like, less than a decade. Even though the games have been coming out for 35+ years.

Castlevania did actually incorporate more of Bram Stoker's lore into its official story... later on. So it's not nearly as "its own thing" as being said. It's still its own thing, clearly, but it doesn't remix it that much either.

Not to mention, the Bram Stoker novel is literally part of the official Castlevania timeline. In 1897.

 

[BrawlX10]

Speaking of Punch Out, there is one thing I’ve always wanted.

I usually dislike the premise of walkoff stages but a New York City stage with Doc Louis on a bike in the background? And maybe Little Mac in the suit if he’s not actively being played?

Big Blue can eat its heart out, this would be peak Mac baby

If they go back to have a new stage for every franchise with a playable character (except Gyromite lol) like Melee, Brawl and Smash 4 i'd say is entirely possible, unless they go with a Boxing Ring 2 or something, which i wouldn't rule it out.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

Here's a fun topic. If the Boxing Ring stage returns for the next game, what would the new challenger's title be?

Here's a couple from me.....
Shantae: Half Genie Guardian
Crash: Wumpa Bandicoot or Woah! Woah! Woah!

Dixie Kong: The Spunky Flying Monkey
Cranky Kong: The Original Lead Kong
Bandana Dee: The Loyal Royal Guard
Dark Matter: The Shadows of Dreamland
Tom Nook: The (In)famous Shopkeeper
Doc Louis: The Champion's Mentor
Oatchi: Brave Rescue Pup
Tetra: Pirate Princess of a Sunken Kingdom
Skull Kid: The Masked Former Puppet
Dry Bowser: Undying Koopa King
Meowscarada: Green Clawed Mage
Spyro: Dragon of Four Elements
Heavy: Heavy Weapons Guy

 

[BrawlX10]

How do you all feel if Results Screens of the next game were more like 64 and Brawl: