Official Ask Anyone Frame Things Thread

[artifice]

So falling Forward and falling Back are considered different states?

that's interesting


Then what's the difference between:
Fall

and

FallAerial

??

Effectively they are the same states as far as gameplay is concerned. Fall Aerial is just the fall animation that is transitioned to after an aerial attack is performed.

 

[Popertop]

Ok so

You can vector when you are airborne,

not performing an aerial, but transitioned into the FallAerial animation?

And the same for the jump animation?

But not when you are actively performing the aerial?

 

[ande]

does any of you know on which stages side platforms luigi can edgecancel an aerial into bair fastfall it and still get the waveland? i know it works on DL and some phases of FoD, but i´m not sure if it could work on battlefield too, juts wondering.
also does washedash off instand bair come out slower than edgecancel instand bair?

 

[Chesstiger2612]

A question about tap resets (like with jabs etc...):
Does it only work against missed tech (DownBound) and waiting afterwards (DownWait)?
If that is the case, characters which have an getup option that isn't intangible from frame 1 on can use this to CC a late tap reset attempt and punish with, for example, a grab. This would be better than the invincible options, because while you would not get hit, they are too slow to punish the attack.
Apparently Fox and Falco would be able to do this with roll backwards, which is only intangible from frame 12 on (source).
Obviously it wouldn't work if they are still in DownBound.

 

[SSBM Tao]

I have a question.

Regarding peach dealing with falco lasers,
If falco shoots a short hop laser point blank and peach tanks it, how many frames do i have until I can dash attack? And if I do it frame perfect can falco punish any way other than committing to shield after laser?

Thanks!

 

[reverie2]

Does % affect frame advantage if you get the ASDI down landing against fox's bair? (for example, fox full hops and bairs+touches the ground , which hits marth, who holds c stick down and doesnt get knocked up from the ground. does % affect frame advantage, assuming the % isn't enough to knock him over?)

 

[tauKhan]

It doesn't. One only gets landing lag when succesfully ASDI down landing. The only %-related thing that can affect advantage is staling when the victim is crouching, because of the way the numbers get rounded. (For example, when someone crouches fox nair, the victim undergoes the same amount of hitlag whether or not the nair is staled. However the fox gets has 1 more frame of hitlag when nair is unstale than slightly stale, which gives 1 extra frame of advantage for the victim. The math: floor (7 * 2/3) = 4 = floor (6 * 2/3) )

 

[Renth]

I’ve been doing this since 2012.

I just never publicly discussed the applications I found over the years but I use it literally every single game of melee I play

I hold A on L cancels, I hold A on tech rolls, when landing in the stage so I can press Z for the toggles
Anytime you’re in lag you can activate the Z toggle
So my example I tried to teach people is in shield stun
Falco hits your shield hold A on the hit stun, press Z to light shield to push you away. Let go of Z to go back to normal shield for shield grabs
I’ve told people about hundreds of times
The Z shield is huge
That’s why I always light shield with it

 

[Renth]

"Shield Toggling"

I went to a tournament not to long ago and I was doing something, when other players saw me doing it they were confused and when they tried to imitate it, they were doing it all wrong. I would toggle between light and heavy shield very quickly, when others saw me try to do it they would lightly...

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[straven]

for falco what comes out faster, his nair, or dair?

 

[Strong Badam]

for falco what comes out faster, his nair, or dair?

His nair hits frame 4 and his dair hits frame 5.

Data - Falco Hitboxes and Frame Data

Credits to SuperDoodleMan for move frame data. Images compiled and edited by Seikend. Multishine frame data provided by Kadano. Throw, tech, and get-up frame data provided by Magus420. All gifs are at 1/3 of the actual game speed. All aerials are performed while falling, therefore the hitboxes...

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[Petrosian808]

Can someone please tell me where I can find a spreadsheet of all character data (dash speed, traction, gravity, etc.), and also hopefully which frame they grab ledge on? I heard each character grabs ledge on different frames but where is the spreadsheet showing what frame this happens? I havent been able to find it.