MechWarriorNY
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Tubacabra
oh, i'm sure. i hear it gets pretty terrible being a magical girl, and there's already ptsd kun going on from the start so...CORY You ain't seen nothin' yet.
oh dear...
KakuCP9
What does it mean to be strong?
Not sure if people saw this already but
I am scared, awed and disgusted all at the same time.
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I am scared, awed and disgusted all at the same time.
You wouldn't be able to ground tech it tho, pretty big difference.
eideeiit
Smash Ace
Worse in neutral and edgeguards, close enough in other aspects to be worse in the end, esp. if sheik's other stats stayed the same.
good morning, thread
a thought that keeps cropping up in my mind: assuming a future where an AI can feasibly do just about everything a human can do in a fighting game, but with far greater reaction times and execution, what would a fighting game specifically designed for AIs look like? something intentionally built with the understanding that anything that could be punishable always will be, and will always be responded with the most optimal execution needed
a thought that keeps cropping up in my mind: assuming a future where an AI can feasibly do just about everything a human can do in a fighting game, but with far greater reaction times and execution, what would a fighting game specifically designed for AIs look like? something intentionally built with the understanding that anything that could be punishable always will be, and will always be responded with the most optimal execution needed
Life
Smash Hero
A fighting game designed to be played by AI but viewed by humans? Or a fighting game designed to be enjoyed solely by AI?
Because I don't think the latter really works. Games that are turn-based are either solvable entirely, or contain some random element that prevents "solving" but can still be optimized around, or contain some hidden information element that puts mindgames into play. Real-time games with complete information, i.e. fighting games, are effectively turn-based games with complete information, i.e. solvable.
So if you want to make a fighting game for AIs, you would need to either reintroduce human limits (i.e. design it around an AI with a five-frame reaction time, a ten-frame one, or whatever) or introduce hidden information by some other fashion (e.g. a stealth mechanic, or maybe you blur spacing so they can only see their opponent on every third frame, or something) or randomness such that the same sequence of moves does not always result.
I guess reaction time is sort of like a hidden information mechanic, in fact. Your opponent's last handful of frames (depending on your reaction time in the moment) are effectively hidden from you.
A good chunk of the enjoyability of fighting games also comes from differences in the playstyles of humans; and differences in playstyle amount to optimizing some aspects but not others, while presumably an AI would have a much easier time optimizing. So you'd need some way to introduce that as well.
Making a fighting game designed to be played by AI but watched by people? That's another story.
Because I don't think the latter really works. Games that are turn-based are either solvable entirely, or contain some random element that prevents "solving" but can still be optimized around, or contain some hidden information element that puts mindgames into play. Real-time games with complete information, i.e. fighting games, are effectively turn-based games with complete information, i.e. solvable.
So if you want to make a fighting game for AIs, you would need to either reintroduce human limits (i.e. design it around an AI with a five-frame reaction time, a ten-frame one, or whatever) or introduce hidden information by some other fashion (e.g. a stealth mechanic, or maybe you blur spacing so they can only see their opponent on every third frame, or something) or randomness such that the same sequence of moves does not always result.
I guess reaction time is sort of like a hidden information mechanic, in fact. Your opponent's last handful of frames (depending on your reaction time in the moment) are effectively hidden from you.
A good chunk of the enjoyability of fighting games also comes from differences in the playstyles of humans; and differences in playstyle amount to optimizing some aspects but not others, while presumably an AI would have a much easier time optimizing. So you'd need some way to introduce that as well.
Making a fighting game designed to be played by AI but watched by people? That's another story.
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Player -0
Smash Hero
time to create the MangoBot
meanwhile I've been re-enacting 300/whatever that historical event of Spartans in Fire Emblem. Pic later
meanwhile I've been re-enacting 300/whatever that historical event of Spartans in Fire Emblem. Pic later
no, that'd be the result of a perfect AI playing a traditional fighting game. life has the right idea of what I'm thinking of here, effectively turn it into a fast-paced (but still easy to ingest spectator-wise) strategy fighter and let people watch on
Grey Belnades
The Imperial Aztec
Melee? My eyes!
Life
Smash Hero
I remember doing this for a little while as a kid, think it might be of interest to you:
http://robowiki.net/wiki/Robocode
Not quite what you meant by "AI" nor is it really a fighting game in the sense gamers use, but it's basically what you described: bots fight each other for human entertainment.
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True suffering isnforcing your way through a plain can of tuna because work ran out of Mayo packets, with the full knowledge that you have another can to push through later that same day...
Lizalfos
Smash Master
Plain tuna tastes great.
Jonyc128
Smash Journeyman
Man, life really does suck sometimes
Also hey guys, long time no post
Also hey guys, long time no post
PMS | LEVEL 100 MAGIKARP
Hologram Summer Again
have you even watched saltybet
Player -0
Smash Hero
just cook some mac and cheese or something and eat it with that
Edit - I feel like there's gonna be some kind of calorie explanation that's about to happen.
Edit - I feel like there's gonna be some kind of calorie explanation that's about to happen.
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PMS | LEVEL 100 MAGIKARP
Hologram Summer Again
new avatar of best girl, now with 100% more red luigi tiara
I'm at work, so I'm stuck with what I have here. They ran out of Mayo packets in the fridge, so it's plain tuna.
I did eat some with tzatziki, once, and it was alright. And since tzatziki is basically just plain yogurt with cucumber in it (more stuff, but that's the bulk) I think I'll end up trying to put in some of the plain yogurt I bring up to work on the second can. See how ****ty of a plan that turns out to be.
And, oh god, I didn't buy kale, I bought mustard greens. Oh man, this is terrible...
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I eat plain tuna as a snack. It's certainly better mixed with mayo but it's not required for me. I get enough tuna+mayo at subway on weekends
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Don't be a doodoo hed, Josh
Player -0
Smash Hero
Kale tastes terrible though
Also this is Sparta. Hector is so tanky and I've been lazy with my tactics.
rip my fellow 8 year old Nino ;~;
I mean there's still the off chance Lyn/Eliwood squishes to death for a reset but probably rip my 8 year old brethren/sestren?
Also this is Sparta. Hector is so tanky and I've been lazy with my tactics.
rip my fellow 8 year old Nino ;~;
I mean there's still the off chance Lyn/Eliwood squishes to death for a reset but probably rip my 8 year old brethren/sestren?
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fie on thee
wait what did i do adam
Lizalfos
Smash Master
Mayo is gross. I don't value your perspective.
You're not wrong. It's also really good for you, so I make myself eat it by taking a bite if chicken or whatever and then a bite of kale and working it down that way.
But mustard greens (which look similar tonkale, which is why I grabbed them on accident : /) taste like ****ing wasabi or something, so I can't push through that way ;x
No u, impostor nerd.
Your face is gross >: C
Your face is objectively bad >: C
Smooth Criminal
Da Cheef
your face is basically never wrong >: C
teluoborg
Smash Otter
Handmade mayonnaise is good, especially when made with more mustard than necessary.
That thing you call mayonnaise in NA is a sin against god and is basically as worthy of the name mayonnaise as french fries deserve to be called french.
And speaking of gods
That thing you call mayonnaise in NA is a sin against god and is basically as worthy of the name mayonnaise as french fries deserve to be called french.
And speaking of gods
Make sure to watch all 12 episodes and follow it up with the third movie (rebellion). The first 2 movies are just reruns of the 12 episodes. I seriously hope your waifu is ready for what's coming to her.
Binary Clone
Easy Money since 1994
I'm pretty sad that PM doesn't get nearly as much play at my club anymore. I'm much better at Melee now, so it's not so bad, since I can still compete with our top Melee players, but I'd really like it if we played more PM.
Falco is pretty fun/dumb though. Our club got a weird influx of Falco mains this year. I'd switched to Falco over summer, a Falco main who is a senior and one of our top players now started coming to stuff, a Marth main switched to Falco, a lot of Foxes picked up at least Falco secondaries, etc. But last year we didn't have any Falco mains. We still don't have any ICs but we have decent representation otherwise.
In other news I just found out there is interest here for a kind of video games book club kind of thing, where we all play a short indie game or something and then meet regularly to discuss it. Seems pretty neat, so I'm gonna start running that and hopefully it works out, 'cause I've always thought that'd be fun.
Falco is pretty fun/dumb though. Our club got a weird influx of Falco mains this year. I'd switched to Falco over summer, a Falco main who is a senior and one of our top players now started coming to stuff, a Marth main switched to Falco, a lot of Foxes picked up at least Falco secondaries, etc. But last year we didn't have any Falco mains. We still don't have any ICs but we have decent representation otherwise.
In other news I just found out there is interest here for a kind of video games book club kind of thing, where we all play a short indie game or something and then meet regularly to discuss it. Seems pretty neat, so I'm gonna start running that and hopefully it works out, 'cause I've always thought that'd be fun.
ah, didn't know anything about there being movies. i'll keep that in mind.