ivanlerma
Smash Master
Happy New Years for everyone on the thread
This marks two years since it first open, right?
This marks two years since it first open, right?
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This isn't even without precedent in Multiversus itself - Velma's car was replaced for this exact reason, so this is a legitimate concern and something the developers would absolutely consider.And, to acknowledge the subject matter at hand, this is a killer cop we are talking about. While Cordell’s main goal is to get back at the corrupt cops that ruined his life, he still kills plenty of innocent people. With the state of society today and the discussion of police brutality being a hot topic, it might come across as off-putting or questionable to include a homicidal cop in a fairly light-hearted crossover game. I know some of you might disagree with me, but I see this as a matter on a whole nother level compared to casual drug and cannibal references.
I will allow Marvel characters since there is stuff like the Blade trilogy which were distributed by New Line Cinema and there have been multiple Marvel and DC crossover comics.Azumanga Daioh
Marvel Characters(is this option allowed?)
I thought it was because AMC bought out Sentai Filmworks which helped worked on Azumanga Daioh, but after quick researching i think i might of made a mistake.I will allow Marvel characters since there is stuff like the Blade trilogy which were distributed by New Line Cinema and there have been multiple Marvel and DC crossover comics.
My question to you is what is Azumanga's connection to Warner Bros? I did a bit of research but didn't find anything.
Your explanation on the Smash Characters...was good, good job man.It's been a while since I've really delved into something like this, but I may as well cut my teeth on it.
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Peppa Pig
Chance: 2%.
Peppa is in a bit of a difficult position to really justify given one primary thing: audience, but not quite in the way you'd expect. The natural conclusion that a lot of people would jump to is "Nobody who plays MultiVersus would want Peppa", when in truth, I can imagine Peppa becoming a solid ironic pick for a lot of people and becoming a really memed character overall. Peppa's already not exactly a mainstay of meme culture, but she's existed as a part of it for some time - and at the very least has been an ironic punchline for some time. The actual issue here is that MultiVersus is rated Teen by the ESRB and PEGI 12 here in Europe - and I can very easily imagine the game (and Warner Bros. by extension) coming under heavy fire in the media for promoting an IP very prominently connected to young children in a product explicitly not to be marketed to them (most likely using the presence of Game of Thrones content as a tool of leverage, too.)
This aside, Peppa's actually got quite a few issues to consider aside from this pretty obvious point. Firstly, she's not Warner-owned - whilst this isn't probably a massive barrier to entry on its own, it does add up alongside other things to become a little difficult to justify her inclusion. Considering her IP holder is Entertainment One - owned by Hasbro - that would mean there'd probably be a lot of different IPs they'd prefer to promote in a fighting game environment compared to Peppa Pig. To me at least, Transformers springs to mind as probably the most logical in this case - being already action-based in the first place and not "cannibalising the market" by overlapping with other fighting games. Peppa Pig content would hardly be high on the list in the first place, all potential controversy aside.
Not only this, but one has to consider how exactly Peppa would exactly look and animate. Yes, it's been memed to death with body horror already, but Peppa's character design doesn't exactly lend well to 3D models, which isn't as much of a problem with other cartoon characters. The face especially is a little difficult to picture, and whilst I can imagine them somehow creating a solution in the form of having Peppa's eyes move to both be on the same side of the head from time to time, it'd be pretty difficult as a result to animate even basic movements and the like without making her look incredibly uncanny. It's not impossible by any means, but it'd need a lot of workshopping - again, another barrier to entry that makes it more and more difficult to justify her inclusion over others.
I think Peppa's not an impossible pick by any means, but the moment you look at Peppa's inclusion outside of purely how it would be in the game, the sheer amount of controversy that it would breed - plus the obvious standout inclusions that could fit in her place pretty seamlessly - it feels less and less likely that she'd even get through all of the corporate talk to being remotely considered. And even if she was... the novelty of her inclusion would wear off pretty quickly.
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Want: 5%?
The thing is, I don't play MultiVersus all that much. The novelty of "HAHA SUPERMAN CAN CURBSTOMP PEPPA PIG" would wear thin fast. It'd be funny for about a week at most before she settles into being a solid mid-tier. The rest of the content surrounding her would be angry opinion articles in the Guardian about how MultiVersus is promoting the illegal acquisition of violent video games to young children for about a month after release until it's ultimately forgotten for another decade, and then she'll be discussed in the game's roster in video essays identically to how we think of Fat Princess back in PlayStation All Stars Battle Royale. The only other things I can imagine are something like a "gangsta Peppa" mod becoming a brief meme, and that's it. Mechanically, she couldn't bring much to the table - she'd inevitably end up being defined by an easy-to-understand playstyle that brings next to nothing to the game that we haven't seen before. She'd lack substance aside from just the novelty of her being in a game at all.
And yet... a small part of me looks at the inclusion of characters like Wii Fit Trainer and Villager in Super Smash Bros. and have just a little hope for how she could work. Sure, her main appeal would be the inherent weirdness of her inclusion at all, but there's potential. The issue is that I can't really imagine the potential being put to good use - she's a "kids character", after all.
------------------------------------------------------Any Smash Bros. Overlap
Chance: 5%
Given this is a concept round, I'd probably best look at everything in general first before zeroing on on a central point. First things first - I think we can say with near-certainty that fully Nintendo-owned characters are unlikely at best. Characters like Mario, Link, Samus and so forth would inevitably be requested to stay as console-exclusives, and even then, I don't feel like Nintendo would be particularly interested in playing ball with some of their biggest IPs considering they already have the money-printing Smash Bros. to justify their combat. The only possible exception that comes to mind is Pikachu given Pokemon's presence as a multimedia empire - and it does help that Pokken Tournament exists - but again, I feel like Nintendo would have very specific requirements given that MultiVersus's team isn't someone they have a history with... and it'd make it difficult to play ball.
Alternately, third-party characters that exist in Smash are an interesting case. However, I'm going to need to make some presumptions here. Given I don't know what Nintendo's licensing agreement with these inclusions are - namely, if there's some kind of exclusivity deal in relation to games similar to Smash - I'm going to presume that all of the content in Smash is allowed to be in other platfighters and is effectively on the table. And here... is where things get difficult.
I think the idea of having a third-party pick get in conceptually depends less on what has "history with WB" and moreso on what would act as good promotion for both brands. It'd be a bit silly for WB to limit what they can get their hands on purely because of a Smash-based mindset, and whilst connections with WB would be nice, it's probably nowhere near as much of a big deal as some make it out to be. Essentially, if money can be made for both brands, it's reasonable.
Starting with playable characters, I think Ryu, Sonic, maybe Pac-Man and possibly Steve, are arguably reasonable picks. Aside from them: no. Snake's tied up with Konami's bull**** as is and probably wouldn't bring enough interest to MultiVersus to warrant inclusion, for instance. Mega Man, Simon, Terry, Banjo could be argued to lack relevance - they would really promote anything that's currently out there (aside from maybe KOF15 and Xbox Game Pass, but that's clutching at straws.) It's unlikely that Square Enix would have any interest in using MultiVersus to promote Final Fantasy VII or the Dragon Quest series - Final Fantasy XVI is potentially plausible, but a remote consideration at best - and Sora is pretty much a hard no due to licensing difficulties and, again, generally better-suited choices across the board. Joker and Bayonetta feel unlikely compared to SEGA's blue rat, and I feel a Tekken rep in general is possible (given the upcoming Tekken 8) but feels a little unlikely.
Even then, though... Ryu could reasonably be a promotional pick for Street Fighter 6 and has plenty of history in crossovers, so he makes a lot of sense. Pac-Man... isn't really promoting anything. Steve's in a similar boat. And as for Sonic - I think it's more likely his movie version would be included, and given Sonic 2 came out around 9 months ago, he's not promoting anything. Even with Ryu's argument, I think it's probably more reasonable they'd look into including someone else - Chun-Li springs to mind, but I think a character new to SF6 specifically (like maybe Jamie, Kimberly or SFV's Luke) are just as reasonable.
With Ryu as a "ech, maybe?", four other picks that could be argued to be potentially plausible, and a total of 78 other characters out of 82 that are unlikely at best, my chances here are low as a collective. (Also, I'm not taking into account any inclusions in the form of Mii costumes such as Vault Boy or Cuphead... but I don't think they'd change things much even as is.)
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I feel like overlap with Smash Bros. is... not quite a "missed opportunity", but more slightly pointless. Aside from the whole "they're already in a game" argument, there's not a lot of picks in the Smash roster that I'd say really feel like they need a game like MultiVersus to interpret them in a particularly unique way. Like, at most I can imagine a character like Cloud being re-interpreted slightly to closely mirror his FFVIIR gameplay, but that's about it. And, in terms of video game characters, there's honestly a lot of potential elsewhere for some interesting picks - whether you go for in-house picks like Midway's Scorpion & Ostrich Knight, or some unusual picks we haven't seen in this kind of format before, or some picks we've seen in other older platfighters or crossovers but could be breathed new life such as Kratos... or even some cool indie picks if you really wanted to push the boat out (like the Knight or a Kerbal astronaut. There's so much potential elsewhere, and limiting things to what we've seen in Smash would kind of be a shame. Hell, even in Ryu's place, I think Chun-Li would be a much more interesting candidate to finally see - even if that is just my own personal take. It'd be interesting to see a new take on some familiar faces, but seeing what MultiVersus can uniquely bring to the table would be way more interesting to me.
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If I'm allowed to nominate, I'll post mine for Alex DeLarge, from A Clockwork Orange. For context, the film was distributed by Warner in the US, and apparently by both Columbia and Warner in the UK. (Obviously elements of his characterisation would need to be changed given many of the film's - and book's - themes, but I think he'd be interesting nonetheless.) Feel free to let me know if I've messed this up in any way!
I Do Not Like That Sam I Am
Chance: 5%
Green Eggs And Ham is a book that needs no introduction. This is probably one of the most well known Seuss books alongside the likes of The Cat In The Hat or The Lorax. Recently, an animated TV series based on the book produced by WB was released on Netflix. It seems to have done well, earning two seasons and being well received, but there are no plans for anything further. There's nothing to cross promote, and outside some outliers, like WB holding the rights to the 1966 Grinch special, Seuss is more tied to Universal nowadays.
Want: 30%
I mean, I like the book, it's a certified classic, but my question is ultimately why?
Mr. White Christmas
Chance: 15%
The Year Without a Santa Claus is a much beloved Christmas special from the Rankin Bass catalog. Though completely made up for the special, Snow Miser (and his brother Heat Miser) remains popular and the special routinely airs around Christmas time to this day. What really helps Snow Miser's chances is the rights to the classic Rankin Bass catalog are split between Universal and Warner Bros. - the former owns all pre 1974 films and the latter owns the rest. Crucially, this means that holiday icons Rudolph and Frosty are off the table as well as the version of Santa Claus from Santa Claus is Comin' to Town. However, as recently as last year, the two parties came to an agreement to release a full Rankin Bass DVD collection, so it's not entirely impossible to get Rudolph if they so desired. Really, the low score comes down to two factors for me; would the developers want to include a character so tied to a specific season, and if they do, would they go for Mr. Snow? WB's entire catalog is at play and while for some, the Rankin Bass specials define the season like nothing else, other holiday legends like The Grinch orMiles FinchBuddy the Elf are available.
Want: 70%
I (like many others) grew up with Rudolph so the Rankin Bass style is very nostalgic to me. I've definitely caught The Year Without a Santa Claus on TV before, and all I can remember about it is the Miser Brothers song. I would absolutely not be opposed to Snow Miser getting in, but there are other Christmas characters that'd do more for me. Keep in mind, this legend is eligible:
Noms: All on Duncan Idaho