Roster Prediction Discussion Thread

[andimidna]

First of all, you kind of ignored me when I asked nicely not to do that, it ruins the overall focus of a response. You continue to do it

Second, its debatable whether or not Samurai Goroh is truly the main protagonist of F-Zero, especially with the amount the more recent games such as GX and the GBA games, but I get the feeling you have never played any of those. Plus, you totally ignored my point about Falcon being "the face of F-Zero", its irrelevant whether or not Goroh is on the box. Do you think Zelda is the face of The Legend of Zelda, or is Link? Are you even paying attention

R.O.B and Game & Watch not iconic...? They both had their own hardware dedicated to them, they are extremely important figures of Nintendo's past... what a weird thing to say. Ice Climbers and Pit, again, are representing their own game, they are retro characters who are from a huge vault of classic Nintendo properties. If you know the story of Lucas replacing Ness in Melee, you would understand why he is in but again... He is the main character of his own game. Its really weird I have to explain this

The weirdest thing about your response though, is saying Wolf never had a prominent role in a Star Fox game. Have you played Star Fox 64, Star Fox Assault or Star Fox Command? Wolf was even considered for the original Smash Bros., along with Bowser, Dedede and Mewtwo.

I don't think Sakurai ever considered over/under representation as demonstrated by Melee. Either way, you are quickly turning this into a nitpicking at straws kind of discussion and I highly anticipate you to quote one or two sentences I wrote here and reply with one sentence responses. Its juvenile

I've heard Bowser, Dedede, Mewtwo, and Meowth were intended to be in Smash 64, but not Wolf.

 

[Gunla]

With so many Greninjas around online, I'm literally surprised anyone is brave enough to use one, considering Greninja is much faster and could take it out with a protean Acrobatics or Surf and is almost an equal to it in special attack and is still a decent attacker.

When I play Delphox and they try going G-Ninja, I usually just switch into my Scizor. Because they mostly do the Fling Play. And then I take the next hit and go for a U-Turn 1HKO.
There's lots of ways to counter G-Ninja now that it's so popular. Mach Punched IF Infernape even kills it.

 

[SuperNintendoDisney]

You have a lot of audacity asking someone to type differently; however, I am fairly certain that he does it to ensure that he addresses every point. He doesn't always post like that, it is usually reserved for other responses. Asking "nicely" is irrelevant, he doesn't have to conform to your preferences.

No, it's been a proven debate mechanic on message board forums to disorient a messages focus. It also makes the discussion sloppy and scattered

 

[Reznor]

why is it always about Samurai Goroh why not Pico

 

[Arcanir]

@ Hotfeet444 @ Arcanir
So... apparantly Infernape is a thing again... or so my latest ventures into online revealed to me.
I picked an Iron First one up. Thoughts?

I haven't used mine yet so I can't say at the moment, hopefully it's pretty good particularly since it has access to priority STAB that's pretty good in the competitive scene.

They use Fling to throw out a King's Rock, get STAB on it thanks to Protean, the opponent flinches, and Acrobatics gets max damage + STAB which is really deadly.
As for Gourgeist, the best size is Super Size, which is the slowest but gives it an attack stat of 100, which is pretty good.

I don't know, it sounds a bit gimmicky so I can't say I agree with that set-up. Personally I prefer the idea of either a pure special attacking one or one with either of the two spikes.

Ah, that's good then.

 

[Gunla]

I don't know, it sounds a bit gimmicky so I can't say I agree with it. Personally I prefer the idea of either a pure special attacking one or one with either of the two spikes.

Calling it a bit gimmicky is an understatement. I see it ALL THE TIME.

 

[josh bones]

why is it always about Samurai Goroh why not Pico

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Too much green.

 

[Reznor]

Too much green.

you racist

 

[TheLastJinjo]

First of all, you kind of ignored me when I asked nicely not to do that, it ruins the overall focus of a response. You continue to do it

Because it proves my point right and proves your point wrong. That is my objective in this debate. I'm not going to refrain from pointing something out because it defeats your argument.

As for everything else you posted:

Spoiler

Second, its debatable whether or not Samurai Goroh is truly the main protagonist of F-Zero, especially with the amount the more recent games such as GX and the GBA games, but I get the feeling you have never played any of those.

I don't think you have either. But, pray tell me who IS the main antagonist if not Samurai Goroh. He's an Antagonist and he's the main one.

R.O.B and Game & Watch not iconic...? They both had their own hardware dedicated to them, they are extremely important figures of Nintendo's past... what a weird thing to say. Ice Climbers and Pit, again, are representing their own game, they are retro characters who are from a huge vault of classic Nintendo properties.

And Samurai Goroh represents F-Zero. A much more classic IP from Nintendo.

If you know the story of Lucas replacing Ness in Melee, you would understand why he is in but again... He is the main character of his own game. Its really weird I have to explain this

It's weird to explain it because you assume I am unaware simply because I disagree that that it signifies your point. Lucas got in because of Mother 3 on GBA. Not because of the cancelled Mother 3 on N64.

The weirdest thing about your response though, is saying Wolf never had a prominent role in a Star Fox game. Have you played Star Fox 64, Star Fox Assault or Star Fox Command? Wolf was even considered for the original Smash Bros., along with Bowser, Dedede and Mewtwo.

I'm saying he plays hardly a bigger role than Samurai Goroh. I'm sarcastically using you logic against you.

I don't think Sakurai ever considered over/under representation as demonstrated by Melee.

According to what!? Also Sakurai has already mentioned concerns about representation.

Either way, you are quickly turning this into a nitpicking at straws kind of discussion and I highly anticipate you to quote one or two sentences I wrote here and reply with one sentence responses. Its juvenile

Right because saying Samurai Goroh is unnecessary because he's not the face of F-Zero and he's not recent isn't at all nitpicking. And I won't deliver your anticipated request. Sorry, bud.

 

[Will]

Hey guys,I loved how Sakurai kind of 'd us today.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Is SuperNintendoDisney arguing with Saturn?
That's a long road to nowhere, pal.

You want to be immature and start **** on this thread? That's a long road to nowhere, kid.
(As if you're even a good debater yourself. Please. )

 

[Morbi]

Hey guys,I loved how Sakurai kind of 'd us today.

You would origami-esque Ludicolo, you would.

 

[Hotfeet444]

Seriously, Magician Delphox is really fun to play. In fact, Blaze is too!
Like, I'm able to outspeed most other G-Ninja because I run a Timid Set with Life Orb.
And King's Rock + Fling is lame, they should play Life Orb instead!

Life Orb is too risky for a pokemon like Greninja, for while it is fast, it's frail overall, and cutting away its health every attack is seriously risky. Glass Cannons like Greninja are better off witha Focus Sash than a Life Orb. Then again, if we're talking King of water types...Greninja is great...but Cloyster is freaking king.

I don't know, it sounds a bit gimmicky so I can't say I agree with that set-up. Personally I prefer the idea of either a pure special attacking one or one with either of the two spikes.

Ah, that's good then.

It's all over the place, and is very easy to counter nowadays, especially with a priority user that can ruin the fling attack as Fling will only work if the attack goes first. Special and spike users are a better option now, but most people expect for your Greninja to wield a ice type move that they love to counter. I even versed this one scumbag who taught it Double Team, thought he was doing good...all up until my Mega Kangaskhan (The Queen of Mega Evolutions) punched its face in with a Power-Up Punch. So yeah, the best way to run a great Greninja is play to ways opponents don't expect, namely attacks like Extrasensory and Toxic Spikes.

 

[Will]

You want to be immature and start **** on this thread? That's a long road to nowhere, kid.
(As if you're even a good debater yourself )

Implying we're all children.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Implying we're all children.

*Implying you're acting like children.

 

[TylerBlackRunIt]

Hey. I made a 50 character roster, check it out!

1. Bowser
2. Captain Falcon
3. Chrom
4. Diddy Kong
5. Donkey Kong
6. Falco
7. Fox
8. Ganondorf
9. Ice Climbers
10. Ike
11. Isaac
12. Jigglypuff
13. King Dedede
14. King K. Rool
15. Kirby
16. Link
17. Little Mac
18. Lucario
19. Lucas
20. Luigi
21. Mario
22. Marth
23. Mega Man
24. Meta Knight
25. Mewtwo
26. Mii
27. Mr. Game & Watch
28. Ness
29. Olimar
30. Pac-Man
31. Palutena
32. Peach
33. Pikachu
34. Pit
35. Pokemon Trainer
36. Ridley
37. R.O.B.
38. Rosalina
39. Samus
40. Shulk
41. Snake
42. Sonic
43. Takamaru
44. Toon Link
45. Villager
46. Wario
47. Wii Fit Trainer
48. Wolf
49. Yoshi
50. Zelda

This is a very good roster but it's seem kind of boring....

 

[Will]

*Implying you're acting like children.

Come on,everybody started something. It's all a part of life,or something.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

I find it hilariously ironic for people on Smashboards to complain about that. As if a Smashboards argument with anyone ever went anywhere. But, then again Smashboards thinks it's the god of smash speculation forums.

 

[Morbi]

This is a very good roster but it's seem kind of boring....

Is that not what the consumers want?

My fun roster!

Newcomers
1. Bandanna Dee
2. Samurai Goroh
3. Meowth
4. Tingle
5. Lucina
6. Hades

IT IS SOOOOO FUN!

 

[Hotfeet444]

*Implying you're acting like children.

You get in arguments all the time, you instigate others over the dumbest things, and you cower behind your block button when you lose. what does that make you? Oh that's right, you're an exception.

It's times like this that make me wish we had a thumbs down/dislike button...eh, this will suffice:

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

Now now kiddies. No need to get snippy with one another.

We're all friends here right?

What am I talking about?

 

[josh bones]

I find it hilariously ironic for people on Smashboards to complain about that. As if a Smashboards argument with anyone ever went anywhere. But, then again Smashboards thinks it's the god of smash speculation forums.

Obviously miiverse.

 

[Arcanir]

Life Orb is too risky for a pokemon like Greninja, for while it is fast, it's frail overall, and cutting away its health every attack is seriously risky. Glass Cannons like Greninja are better off witha Focus Sash than a Life Orb. Then again, if we're talking King of water types...Greninja is great...but Cloyster is freaking king.

I would say Expert Belt's also a good choice since it has decent power without the drawback, granted it's limited to SE attacks but since that's what Greninja's most likely abusing it's not too bad a limitation.

It's all over the place, and is very easy to counter nowadays, especially with a priority user that can ruin the fling attack as Fling will only work if the attack goes first. Special and spike users are a better option now, but most people expect for your Greninja to wield a ice type move that they love to counter. I even versed this one scumbag who taught it Double Team, thought he was doing good...all up until my Mega Kangaskhan (The Queen of Mega Evolutions) punched its face in with a Power-Up Punch. So yeah, the best way to run a great Greninja is play to ways opponents don't expect, namely attacks like Extrasensory and Toxic Spikes.

And that's exactly why I run moves like those and Grass Knot, it gives some variety that they don't expect and walk right into.

In terms of Special tanks, outside of Goodra would Sylveon be a good partner for Gourgeist as well?

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Now now kiddies. No need to get snippy with one another.

We're all friends here right?

What am I talking about?

If you're gonna encourage UltimateWario by "liking" his snide remarks then don't act all innocent and try to be the savior that bring peace to the thread.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

If you're gonna encourage UltimateWario by "liking" his snide remarks then don't act all innocent and try to be the savior that bring peace to the thread.

I'll do what I want. I'll like whatever I want. I really don't care what it encourages.

 

[Morbi]

If you're gonna encourage UltimateWario by "liking" his snide remarks then don't act all innocent and try to be the savior that bring peace to the thread.

Can I act innocent and bring peace to the thread? I like everyone's posts and we are all friends that love nature, like hippies. Come on guise, lets get along!

 

[Hotfeet444]

I would say Expert Belt's also a good choice since it has decent power without the drawback, granted it's limited to SE attacks but since that's what Greninja's most likely abusing it's not too bad a limitation.



And that's exactly why I run moves like those and Grass Knot, it gives some variety that they don't expect and walk right into.

In terms of Special tanks, outside of Goodra would Sylveon be a good partner for Gourgeist as well?

Yes, Sylveon would be a good partner as it is pretty bulky at taking special hits and dealing special hits back. However, I'd wait until you can import pokemon to use one, as you should get one with the ability "Pixilate", which turns Normal type moves into fairy type moves. I plan on running a modest Pixilate Sylveon with Hyper Voice when we FINALLY get pokemon bank. Also, if you want, I can breed you a Yamask if you're still interested in the tank thing, as Cofagrigus is just as good as Gourgeist.

 

[Mega Bidoof]

Or for actual black male characters you got Grant:

Spoiler

Prepare to get rocked.


If we're talking black girls we got Lenora and the more important Iris. Who actually could be a cool dragon trainer.



I prefer Wart. I think most here would prefer Wart. I think Reggie himself would prefer Wart rather than getting the **** kicked out of him repeatedly and being an endless meme.

#nobodyisready

Edit; Jeez that pic was huge. Spoiler tagging it.

Actually, Reggie wants himself in Smash.
He said so at the VGX and one time he tweeted, "My #finalsmash would be the MY BODY IS READY SLAM!!!"

#reggieforsmash

 

[TylerBlackRunIt]

......... -__-

 

[SuperNintendoDisney]

Ok. I'm going to respond the way you respond.

Because it proves my point right and proves your point wrong. That is my objective in this debate. I'm not going to refrain from pointing something out because it defeats your argument.

The easy way out. It makes for sloppy conversation

I don't think you have either. But, pray tell me who IS the main antagonist if not Samurai Goroh. He's an Antagonist and he's the main one.

Serious? If you had played them, you wouldn't be so confused

And Samurai Goroh represents F-Zero. A much more classic IP from Nintendo.

Falcon represents F-Zero, his own game. Goroh represents a cute cartoon on the back of an SNES retail box.

It's weird to explain it because you assume I am unaware simply because I disagree that that it signifies your point. Lucas got in because of Mother 3 on GBA. Not because of the cancelled Mother 3 on N64.

Allow me to inform you: http://www.ssbwiki.com/Lucas

I'm saying he plays hardly a bigger role than Samurai Goroh. I'm sarcastically using you logic against you.

You aren't doing a very good job at being sarcastic. He plays a much bigger role. In three games. Go play those games

Right because saying Samurai Goroh is unnecessary because he's not the face of F-Zero and he's not recent isn't at all nitpicking. And I won't deliver your anticipated request. Sorry, bud.

Eh, its more like a mountain of strikes against him, Epona has a better chance etc. etc.

...what an un-fulfilling way to have a discussion

Also, for those wondering about Wolf... read post #9310 of this thread: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=739531&page=187

Bowser, Mewtwo, Wolf, Dedede, Pit, Meowth, there were many ideas that never came to fruition

 

[Gunla]

Life Orb is too risky for a pokemon like Greninja, for while it is fast, it's frail overall, and cutting away its health every attack is seriously risky. Glass Cannons like Greninja are better off witha Focus Sash than a Life Orb. Then again, if we're talking King of water types...Greninja is great...but Cloyster is freaking king.

Funny.... I've always used G-Ninja with Life Orb and it works. I don't use it to take damage and survive with one health. I use it primarily to take out what it can. I've sweeped 6-0 by starting with G-Ninja with Life Orb a ton.

 

[Morbi]

Actually, Reggie wants himself in Smash.
He said so at the VGX and one time he tweeted, "My #finalsmash would be the MY BODY IS READY SLAM!!!"

#reggieforsmash

Reggie is more assist trophy material, Reggie's "my body is ready slam!" is sufficient on its own. Now everyone is happy, Reggie fans, like you and I, have him in Smash. However, the sane consumer base doesn't have to deal with him as a playable character.

 

[Reznor]

dang this thread has gotten even more crazy hard for me to keep track

if we get an assist trophy to rep a Mario RPG series what series would you prefer

Paper Mario
Mario and Luigi
Mario 7 stars

 

[Morbi]

dang this thread has gotten even more crazy hard for me to keep track

if we get an assist trophy to rep a Mario RPG series what series would you prefer

Paper Mario
Mario and Luigi
Mario 7 stars

I would hate to say it, as I am a notorious Paper Mario hater... but Paper Mario.

 

[Reznor]

I would hate to say it, as I am a notorious Paper Mario hater... but Paper Mario.

why do you hate Paper Mario ........ it makes no sense

 

[SuperNintendoDisney]

I also want to make it clear, I really do like Goroh, I just feel he is good as an assist trophy. There ware better way for F-Zero to get recognition through stages and trophies. The three characters I want for Smash are Kamek, Geno and Ridley, all of which probably won't be in the game anyway

 

[XStarWarriorX]

I'll do what I want. I'll like whatever I want. I really don't care what it encourages.

Same.

 

[josh bones]

Bowser, Mewtwo, Wolf, Dedede, Pit, Meowth, there were many ideas that never came to fruition

No.
Only Bowser Mewtwo and Dedede were true, the rest were rumors.

 

[Hotfeet444]

Funny.... I've always used G-Ninja with Life Orb and it works. I don't use it to take damage and survive with one health. I use it primarily to take out what it can. I've sweeped 6-0 by starting with G-Ninja with Life Orb a ton.

The thing is that there are more and more priority users out there now, and pokemon like Mawile can really turn it against you with a Sucker Punch, or a dual fake out then dual sucker punch from a Mega Kangaskhan. It's always best to have a tool for every situation, and I always found the Life orb too risky unless it's on a really bulky pokemon. However, I agree with Arcanir in the fact that the Expert Belt would probably be a better choice. Not to mention what if you go up against a Golurk with No Guard and Dynamicpunch? That's a really dangerous combo.

Also, I've seen at least four different people switch their avatars today at least twice, I am no longer the person who changes his avatar the most!

 

[Will]

What's with people wanting Spongebob? They must have lost their senses.