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I'm replacing Sheriff on my roster, but I don't know who to add in his place. I don't really want to add Shulk, and the only people I have left are Porky & Medusa. I know Sin & Punishment is very unlikely to get a rep, but is there any reason why it might be likely?
 

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I'm replacing Sheriff on my roster, but I don't know who to add in his place. I don't really want to add Shulk, and the only people I have left are Porky & Medusa. I know Sin & Punishment is very unlikely to get a rep, but is there any reason why it might be likely?
Could you post your current roster? I don't really want to go back and find it >.<
 
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Genesect isn't popular because he was in the latest movie. I've stated that several times, and that's not why I added him.
You keep arguing a strawman.
I am NOT saying Genesect is only popular because of the movie. Look at the post you responded to again. I said it was a "hot topic" Pokémon because of the movie. That means it is often discussed (as well as Mewtwo) since the movie is fresh. Just like how Keldeo was a "hot topic" Pokémon last year, Victini the year before that, and Zoroark the year before that.

But to be frank, the movie is honestly where a majority of its popularity comes from. This is something that cannot be denied.


EDIT: Luigi, huh? Was not expecting him to be shown off so early let alone any Smash news at all. I'm thinking he is the sole exception of non-guest unlockables being shown off since it's Year of Luigi.
 

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Hey so with Luigi's early reveal and possible starter status, do you think this opens the door for a Mario newcomer?
 

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popularity doesn't take a character who's unlock able and make them starters. That's never happened and it makes no sense. That's not how it works.
Give one good reason why Lucas being a starter makes more sense than Ness being a starter? It made sense in Brawl because Lucas was a newcomer, and obviously it's a good idea from a marketing perspective to show off newcomers in the starting roster over veterans - but Ness and Lucas have nothing over one another that means either one will definitely be starter or definitely be unlockable. So I ask again, what makes you seem so sure Ness won't be a starter? It's Ness's popularity versus Lucas's recency (recent being 2006 - aka not recent at all), neither of which is a particularly compelling argument. I'm not saying Ness will be a starter; I'm saying you have no way of knowing that he won't be.
 

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Ok, I'm sure I'm not the only one wondering this, but if Olimar was revealed in July in honor of Pikmin 3 coming out in Japan, and Luigi in August in honor of Mario&Luigi in America and Year of Luigi ... What can we expect in September? All I know that is releasing at that point is Wonderful 101, and I really doubt we'll get any character from there. Ideas?

Also, same goes for October ... within that one month we get Wind Waker HD, Pokemon X and Y, and Sonic Lost World. Which would be the reveal that month?
 

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Give one good reason why Lucas being a starter makes more sense than Ness being a starter? It made sense in Brawl because Lucas was a newcomer, and obviously it's a good idea from a marketing perspective to show off newcomers in the starting roster over veterans - but Ness and Lucas have nothing over one another that means either one will definitely be starter or definitely be unlockable. So I ask again, what makes you seem so sure Ness won't be a starter? It's Ness's popularity versus Lucas's recency (recent being 2006 - aka not recent at all), neither of which is a particularly compelling argument. I'm not saying Ness will be a starter; I'm saying you have no way of knowing that he won't be.
That's not how it works.
 

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Ok, I'm sure I'm not the only one wondering this, but if Olimar was revealed in July in honor of Pikmin 3 coming out in Japan, and Luigi in August in honor of Mario&Luigi in America and Year of Luigi ... What can we expect in September? All I know that is releasing at that point is Wonderful 101, and I really doubt we'll get any character from there. Ideas?

Also, same goes for October ... within that one month we get Wind Waker HD, Pokemon X and Y, and Sonic Lost World. Which would be the reveal that month?
Sanic plz
 

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Also, list of new games coming up:

Wind Waker HD - September
Pokemon XY - October
Tropical Freeze / Link Between Worlds - November
Mario 3D World - December

So reveals of Zelda, Pokemon Trainer, Diddy Kong and Peach coming in the months to come?
 

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View attachment 1999can somebody grade my roster
Pokemon Trainer will not be getting replaced by another Pokemon Trainer - he'll either get updated, or scrapped altogether (probably the former). Similarly, where is Ice Climbers and R.O.B.?

Apart from those gripes, it's not an awful roster. I wouldn't necessarily call it good either, just because I am strongly opposed to the inclusion of Waluigi and Ghirahim, but I wouldn't be massively disappointed if the roster turned out like this.
 

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Also, list of new games coming up:

Wind Waker HD - September
Pokemon XY - October
Tropical Freeze / Link Between Worlds - November
Mario 3D World - December

So reveals of Zelda, Pokemon Trainer, Diddy Kong and Peach coming in the months to come?
Sonic? Was he that fast that you forgot him?
 

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View attachment 1999can somebody grade my roster
At this point Ghirahim is getting more and more unlikely, so I'd think about removing him. Sakurai clearly cares about adding a second Link above one-shot Zelda characters.

There's also very little basis for including a Unova Trainer. They are no longer the Gen in the spotlight, and even if they were there are more likely choices. Sakurai added the original starters for a reason, if he wanted to go with a recent Trainer he would've added the Hoenn or Sinnoh Trainer last time. I'd suggest adding back the Kanto Trainer.

Other than that Waluigi and Black Shadow wouldn't be my choices for a Mario/F-Zero newcomer, but they aren't terrible choices (though at this point I doubt we'll get a new F-Zero character). I also think people are much too quick to cut Snake, MGS is still on Nintendo platforms, Kojima and Sakurai still seem to be friends, Snake was well-received and a popular choice, and Sakurai thinks favourably of his inclusion. Anyway, overall, pretty good roster. ;)

EDIT: Oh, didn't see you omitted Ice Climbers... eh, I can understand where you're coming from... but I'd rethink that tbh.

Ok, I'm sure I'm not the only one wondering this, but if Olimar was revealed in July in honor of Pikmin 3 coming out in Japan, and Luigi in August in honor of Mario&Luigi in America and Year of Luigi ... What can we expect in September? All I know that is releasing at that point is Wonderful 101, and I really doubt we'll get any character from there. Ideas?
There are plenty of characters that will need to be revealed but won't have an accompanying game to promote, we'll likely get one of them next month. That's my guess at least.

Also, same goes for October ... within that one month we get Wind Waker HD, Pokemon X and Y, and Sonic Lost World. Which would be the reveal that month?
My guess is Pokemon would get priority, but I don't think Sonic is out of the picture. Unless Sakurai wants to save his reveal for another time. Who knows, we might even get two reveals that month (though that's probably not the likeliest).
 

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:C SANIC WAS JUST TOO FAST FOR THIS GAME HE QUIT.... Its not like sakurai removed him or anything...
 

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Stop saying 'that's not how it works' as if that means anything and provide a decent counterargument. What makes Lucas a more likely starter than Ness?
Ness is already an unlock able and Sakurai doesn't change somebody who is an unlock able to a starter because of recent advertising.

By your logic we should make Mewtwo & Toon Link starters. Not to mention the game will be released in 2014. Year of Luigi, Extreme Speed Genesect, Mother 2, and Wind Waker HD will not be current events by then and nobody will in 2014 will know why they are starters
 

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Ness is already a starter and Sakurai doesn't change somebody who is an unlock able to a starter because of recent advertising.
Ness has been an unlockable character more than he's been a starter. He was a hidden character most recently, and Lucas has never been a hidden character. I'm not saying it'll definitely stay as it was in Brawl, but there is a precedent for both Ness to stay hidden and Lucas to stay starter (though I'd prefer the other way around).
 

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Plus I think that lucas wont be included, maybe, no reasons or anything
 

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Pokemon Trainer will not be getting replaced by another Pokemon Trainer - he'll either get updated, or scrapped altogether (probably the former). Similarly, where is Ice Climbers and R.O.B.?

Apart from those gripes, it's not an awful roster. I wouldn't necessarily call it good either, just because I am strongly opposed to the inclusion of Waluigi and Ghirahim, but I wouldn't be massively disappointed if the roster turned out like this.

  • the reason red was in ssbb becaues it was the last pokemon game coming out for the gba, the thing going to happen with the ds
  • the reason r.o.b was in brawl because he was in mario kart ds and that was the only game he was a playable character in
  • im not sure if ice climbers returning
  • if toon link not dont return than ghirahim have better chance of be in the game because of his popularity, tingle also have a chance
  • i was thinking making waluigi a wario character then a mario character
 

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Ness has been an unlockable character more than he's been a starter. He was a hidden character most recently, and Lucas has never been a hidden character. I'm not saying it'll definitely stay as it was in Brawl, but it's not like there'd be no precedent for it to stay the same.
I meant to say unlock able.

  • the reason red was in ssbb becaues it was the last pokemon game coming out for the gba, the thing going to happen with the ds
  • the reason r.o.b was in brawl because he was in mario kart ds and that was the only game he was a playable character in
  • im not sure if ice climbers returning
  • if toon link not dont return than ghirahim have better chance of be in the game because of his popularity.
NONE of those statements are true in the slightest. :laugh:
 
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I hate to be that guy, but just because it hasn't happened before doesn't mean it can't happen now.
Sakurai never showed off a character to show off a recent game before Smash 4, and yet he's shown off Olimar because of Pikmin 3 and Luigi because of M&L Dream Team.
Regardless of whether or not Ness remains unlockable (which is completely up in the air; he's been BOTH an unlockable and a starter in the past), he could be shown off to commemorate the VC release of Earthbound, which is being passed off as a big deal (it even had it's own trailer).

EDIT: Or not; just saw that it had been released already on VC worldwide last month. A little late to show off Ness for that, then.
 

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Ness is already a starter and Sakurai doesn't change somebody who is an unlock able to a starter because of recent advertising.
I get the feeling you meant to say Lucas is a starter. Either way, Sakurai may not change somebody who is unlockable to a starter for advertising, nor does he make starters unlockable for said reason, but he has changed starters to unlockables and unlockables to starters in the past and there's no saying that he won't do so again. I'm not making an argument either way that Lucas or Ness will be starter or unlockable, but given that they've both been starters at one point in time, you'd do well to stop acting like Sakurai and pretending you 'know how it works'. Ness could be a starter, as he has been in the past, and just as equally, Lucas could be a starter as he has in the past.

tl;dr it's all up in the air at the moment, so stop acting like it's a certainty that Ness is an unlockable. It's not.
 

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  • the reason red was in ssbb becaues it was the last pokemon game coming out for the gba, the thing going to happen with the ds
  • the reason r.o.b was in brawl because he was in mario kart ds and that was the only game he was a playable character in
  • im not sure if ice climbers returning
  • if toon link not dont return than ghirahim have better chance of be in the game because of his popularity, tingle also have a chance
  • i was thinking making waluigi a wario character then a mario character
Oh great, it's one of those kind of speculators again. Hang on a second, I'll get the trainwreck on standby...
 

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  • the reason red was in ssbb becaues it was the last pokemon game coming out for the gba, the thing going to happen with the ds
  • the reason r.o.b was in brawl because he was in mario kart ds and that was the only game he was a playable character in
  • im not sure if ice climbers returning
  • if toon link not dont return than ghirahim have better chance of be in the game because of his popularity, tingle also have a chance
  • i was thinking making waluigi a wario character then a mario character
We know for a fact, from Sakurai himself, that work has been put into making the Ice Climbers work. They're not going anywhere.
 
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