Roster Prediction Discussion Thread

[mimgrim]

I don't even understand why most people hate Other M in the first place. Maybe it's because it's one of the few Metroid titles I haven't played, but it always comes out differently from different people, some people say it's the bland and boring story and the misogynistic way Samus is represented throughout the game. I don't hear anyone complain about the gameplay, and to be honest, that's the most important part of the game. So, please tell me somebody, what IS the real reason people hate Other M so much?

I think one of the main reasons is the way Samus is depicted in Other M. Samus is usually regarded as a strong female protag that can defy all costs. But in Other M it shows a weaker side of Samus. At least that is what I have seen from my expierience of watching people complain about Other M.

 

[Hotfeet444]

Hater Response: bla bla bla worst thing since the Third Reich.

That's just your ego talking.

it's definitely the story, but that's still important. video games have, in part, become a method of storytelling.

saturngamer.

So it's just the story and the depiction of Samus? Is there anything wrong with the gameplay? Stories may be important, but regardless, it's not like there's games with bad stories that have had great gameplay. To be honest, the hate of Other M sounds like something that overlooks all the good the game had. I mean seriously, if there was no story to Other M, how much would people hate the game? It all honestly sounds like some of the hate for the title is somewhat undeserved. Sure, the game deserves to be called out for the way Ninja Theory makes women look like weak nonindependent weaklings, but if that can be overlooked and the gameplay is enjoyable, I don't see what the problem is. Hate the creator of the game, not the game itself.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

That's just your ego talking.



So it's just the story and the depiction of Samus? Is there anything wrong with the gameplay? Stories may be important, but regardless, it's not like there's games with bad stories that have had great gameplay. To be honest, the hate of Other M sounds like something that overlooks all the good the game had. I mean seriously, if there was no story to Other M, how much would people hate the game?

I got pretty mad when Luigi became a scaredy cat, but I didn't let it ruin SSB for me.

 

[zauberdragon]

Yeah, I feel bad for the people who only have miiverse, who once supported Ridley, but stopped because thinking that Ridley was an unlikely rep because of all of the hate messages against him.

Don't get me wrong, in theory the Smash forums on Miiverse are a great way of connecting fans. It's almost 10 years to the day I became a smash fan and I know younger me would've loved such a vehicle for discussion but much of the talk is ill-informed and petty.
I'm not saying they should all come here and jump to the big-leagues straight away (it took me years to take the plunge) but just reading a few articles on-line about the development and having realistic expectations would improve it so much.
I realise I'm preaching to the choir but it's good to vent once in a while.

 

[CalumG]

That's just your ego talking.



So it's just the story and the depiction of Samus? Is there anything wrong with the gameplay? Stories may be important, but regardless, it's not like there's games with bad stories that have had great gameplay. To be honest, the hate of Other M sounds like something that overlooks all the good the game had. I mean seriously, if there was no story to Other M, how much would people hate the game?

The gameplay isn't bad as such, but it is pretty inconsistent. The first error it made was being a 3D game that's controlled with a D-Pad on a sideways Wiimote - the control stick was invented for a reason. This is compounded by the fact that the game pretty much has as much of an identity crisis as Samus does - it can't decide whether it wants to be a 3D third-person action shooter, an attempt at recreating the style of Super Metroid, or a first-person game (when you point the WiiMote at the screen it goes into first-person mode, allowing you to shoot missiles and discover secrets and such). The switching between modes is clunky when it needs to be done on-the-fly, and overall it doesn't mesh well together.

Basically, there are no individual parts of the game that I'd call downright bad, but like the storyline, the parts that make the whole just don't fit together very well.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Ridley would be barely smaller than Brawl so there isn't much to debate about it.

 

[Rebellious Treecko]

That's just your ego talking.

It's as big as Saturn.

So it's just the story and the depiction of Samus? Is there anything wrong with the gameplay? Stories may be important, but regardless, it's not like there's games with bad stories that have had great gameplay. To be honest, the hate of Other M sounds like something that overlooks all the good the game had. I mean seriously, if there was no story to Other M, how much would people hate the game?

Haven't seen a full walkthrough or let's play of Other M yet, just many various important cutscenes, articles, and parts of the game.

People say that Samus is bland in the game and acts like a "damsel in distress" at times, needing the aid of a man.
I think the developers just wanted to give Samus some more emotion and to make her more "human", instead of seeming like a robot.

There's also the PTSD attack when Samus fights the Ridley clone, which caused some more controversy, but it makes sense if you think about it; I assume Samus thought Ridley was dead for good after killing him in Super Metroid, and I think the way he's surrounded by flames is reminiscent of how he appeared when he destroyed Samus's planet and killed her parents.

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[TheLastJinjo]

Does anyone want to talk about the addition of Medusa as a clone of Palutena. Maybe just the mere possibility? I know Kid Icarus may not even get another rep, but Sakurai is giving it a lot of love in the promos.

 

[IsmaR]

I liked Other M. Coulda been better, particularly with the "show don't tell" take on the story and the controls. Stayed fairly true to the manga/in-game and canon sources (mostly regarded as a 3D Fusion "prequel" for this reason). Then there was the fact that it couldn't possibly live up to the Prime series.

Also Medusa > Palutena. And ew, do not want clones in a series that I feel is fine with just one rep as is.

 

[Hotfeet444]

I got pretty mad when Luigi became a scaredy cat, but I didn't let it ruin SSB for me.

That statement of yours make me think...how many people are going to make misogyny jokes about the Samus in Smash Bros 4. Because it looks like she's just as strong and independant as she was in previous Smash Bros titles. I also think people blow things out of proportion when it comes to Samus' appearance in Other M, namely her encounter with Ridley. Other M accordingly takes place after Super Metroid, she killed Kraid, Ridley, Crocomire, Draygon, Mother Brain, and all the other bosses of Super Metroid and then watched the entire explode from the inside out. I don't care how hardened a space warrior you may be, but when your arch enemy comes back after that, you're going to be ****ting your pants in a "WTF" moment. Also, who's to say that Samus wasn't always somewhat frightened by Ridley? He killed her parents and it probably left her with some trauma, am I supposed to believe that being raised by the Chozo includes the removal of mental trauma as well?

Also, people, it's so simple! Those that say Ridley is too big for Smash Bros, just reply with "Your Mom".

The gameplay isn't bad as such, but it is pretty inconsistent. The first error it made was being a 3D game that's controlled with a D-Pad on a sideways Wiimote - the control stick was invented for a reason. This is compounded by the fact that the game pretty much has as much of an identity crisis as Samus does - it can't decide whether it wants to be a 3D third-person action shooter, an attempt at recreating the style of Super Metroid, or a first-person game (when you point the WiiMote at the screen it goes into first-person mode, allowing you to shoot missiles and discover secrets and such). The switching between modes is clunky when it needs to be done on-the-fly, and overall it doesn't mesh well together.

Basically, there are no individual parts of the game that I'd call downright bad, but like the storyline, the parts that make the whole just don't fit together very well.

So basically it's trying to mix the styles that doesn't mesh together in some areas, I get it. But honestly, it doesn't sound like a game that people claim "Is the game that killed the Metroid franchise". The environments look pretty nice, the boss battles are still pretty good, and the atmosphere is also pretty good in some areas from what I've seen. It may be bad for Metroid standards, but it doesn't sound like a bad game in itself. It's like Starfox Adventures, sure it's bad in Starfox standards, but as its own stand-alone title it's not a bad game.

 

[zauberdragon]

I'll be honest I'm not a fan of Metorid Other M. I played it around a similar time I played Super Metroid for the first time and Metroid Fusion for the second and it could never compete. Still, it's canon and drives the story forward and will certainly get some recognition in the new Smash.

Given it wasn't developed by Nintendo might hamper it a little, I know Samus' new design is similar to Other M but there's only so much you can do with the Varia suit. Compare Other M and Super Metroid Ridley and it's a different story.

I think if we get Ridley he'll look as he did in the Melee opening and in Brawl but I suppose concessions I'm not aware off might need to be made in the switch to playable character, changing his design.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

That statement of yours make me think...how many people are going to make misogyny jokes about the Samus in Smash Bros 4. Because it looks like she's just as strong and independant as she was in previous Smash Bros titles. I also think people blow things out of proportion when it comes to Samus' appearance in Other M, namely her encounter with Ridley. Other M accordingly takes place after Super Metroid, she killed Kraid, Ridley, Crocomire, Draygon, Mother Brain, and all the other bosses of Super Metroid and then watched the entire explode from the inside out. I don't care how hardened a space warrior you may be, but when your arch enemy comes back after that, you're going to be ****ting your pants in a "WTF" moment. Also, who's to say that Samus wasn't always somewhat frightened by Ridley? He killed her parents and it probably left her with some trauma, am I supposed to believe that being raised by the Chozo includes the removal of mental trauma as well?

Also, people, it's so simple! Those that say Ridley is too big for Smash Bros, just reply with "Your Mom".

Luigi use to have such a great attitude during the N64 era! He was so awesome and his attitude showed he clearly knew he was the best and better than Mario. Now he's just a wuss and sometimes even a damsel in distress (that's insulting to me.) And I TOTALLY agree with StarFox Adventures being a good game in general even if it's a disgrace to Starfox. I think though that Sakurai has never really acknowledged Starfox adventures shows Krystal doesn't work as a character with her own moves.

Also, Ridley killed Samus's parents? That's going to be akward in Smash Brothers, especially when they're on the same team.

 

[CalumG]

So basically it's trying to mix the styles that doesn't mesh together in some areas, I get it. But honestly, it doesn't sound like a game that people claim "Is the game that killed the Metroid franchise". The environments look pretty nice, the boss battles are still pretty good, and the atmosphere is also pretty good in some areas from what I've seen. It may be bad for Metroid standards, but it doesn't sound like a bad game in itself. It's like Starfox Adventures, sure it's bad in Starfox standards, but as its own stand-alone title it's not a bad game.

It's definitely not a bad game, that's true. It had to follow up the Metroid Prime series - it was basically in the position that Mario Sunshine was, where it had come after such a quality game that there was no way it could live up to expectation, nor try anything new without getting bashed for it. I recommend you give it a try sometime if only to find out what it's like for yourself. From a visual/aesthetic level, I much prefer Other M to the Prime series, but I was never personally a big Prime fan in the first place (2D Metroid or no Metroid is my general opinion, as it stands).

 

[SuperBrawler]

Luigi use to have such a great attitude during the N64 era! He was so awesome and his attitude showed he clearly knew he was the best and better than Mario. Now he's just a wuss and sometimes even a damsel in distress (that's insulting to me.) And I TOTALLY agree with StarFox Adventures being a good game in general even if it's a disgrace to Starfox. I think though that Sakurai has never really acknowledged Starfox adventures shows Krystal doesn't work as a character with her own moves.

Also, Ridley killed Samus's parents? That's going to be akward in Smash Brothers, especially when they're on the same team.

Agreed. And LOL on the last part.

 

[Hotfeet444]

Luigi use to have such a great attitude during the N64 era! He was so awesome and his attitude showed he clearly knew he was the best and better than Mario. Now he's just a wuss and sometimes even a damsel in distress (that's insulting to me.) And I TOTALLY agree with StarFox Adventures being a good game in general even if it's a disgrace to Starfox. I think though that Sakurai has never really acknowledged Starfox adventures shows Krystal doesn't work as a character with her own moves.

Also, Ridley killed Samus's parents? That's going to be akward in Smash Brothers, especially when they're on the same team.

Luigi didn't even have his own voice actor during the N64 era, all they did was take Mario's voice and make it higher pitched. Luigi's character was fleshed out, and to be honest, the idea behind him becoming somewhat shy and depressed is expected as to how he's forgotten in most adventures. Paper Mario 64 was the first game to do so with Luigi's diary. The scaredy-cat personality may be a contrast to Mario, but I think that's the point. He may be a coward, but it's not like he hasn't overcome his fears to save his brother. He can be quite brave when he wants to be.

We have the hero of Hyrule and the King of all Evil who wants to kill Link and take his piece of the triforce on the same team, I'm sure there's absolutely no problem with Ridley and Samus being on the same team.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

We have the hero of Hyrule and the King of all Evil who wants to kill Link and take his piece of the triforce on the same team, I'm sure there's absolutely no problem with Ridley and Samus being on the same team.

Didn't say it wouldn't work. And Link & Ganondorf teaming up in SSE was cool, not awkward. I mean even Bowser tries to get Mario killed and they play Tennis all the time.

 

[CalumG]

I've got no problem with Other M - but this provides a pretty solid list of reasons why most people don't like it. If anyones got half an hour to spare and haven't played the game, this is an interesting watch (though his voice is a bit droning).

 

[mimgrim]

It's definitely not a bad game, that's true. It had to follow up the Metroid Prime series - it was basically in the position that Mario Sunshine was, where it had come after such a quality game that there was no way it could live up to expectation, nor try anything new without getting bashed for it. I recommend you give it a try sometime if only to find out what it's like for yourself. From a visual/aesthetic level, I much prefer Other M to the Prime series, but I was never personally a big Prime fan in the first place (2D Metroid or no Metroid is my general opinion, as it stands).

Mario Sunshine is considered a not so good game in the Mario standards? Welp that is news to me. o.o

 

[Fire Emblemier]

It's definitely not a bad game, that's true. It had to follow up the Metroid Prime series - it was basically in the position that Mario Sunshine was, where it had come after such a quality game that there was no way it could live up to expectation, nor try anything new without getting bashed for it. I recommend you give it a try sometime if only to find out what it's like for yourself. From a visual/aesthetic level, I much prefer Other M to the Prime series, but I was never personally a big Prime fan in the first place (2D Metroid or no Metroid is my general opinion, as it stands).

It seems many series seem to have one of those... Starfox 64 then Adventures, Majora's Mask then WindWaker (Even though Windwaker is my favorite Zelda, most hardcore Zelda fans find it inferior, don't know why), Metal Gear Solid then MGS2. I can name many more , but you get the point.

 

[Sid-cada]

I don't even understand why most people hate Other M in the first place. Maybe it's because it's one of the few Metroid titles I haven't played, but it always comes out differently from different people, some people say it's the bland and boring story and the misogynistic way Samus is represented throughout the game. I don't hear anyone complain about the gameplay, and to be honest, that's the most important part of the game. So, please tell me somebody, what IS the real reason people hate Other M so much?

I haven't played it, but I have watched someone else "Let's Play" it. And let me tell you, ugh, was it awful. A small list of things that just seemed off:

• It's not a Metroidvania, but a completely linear shooter.
• Sense Move is broken, allowing you to completely dodge any attack and instantly get a much more powerful charge shot at no penalty.
• Using missiles requires awkwardly going into a First Person Perspective with no movement.
• Samus auto-aims at any enemies in front of her- there is little need for aiming, meaning you can mow through enemies with ease.
• You can restock your mistles at any time with no consequences, and get back energy when low for no cost other than a small amount of time.
• The game randomly throws pixel hunts at you, and more often than not you are given no indication what you are even searching for.

All in all, the game is either so streamlined to the point where there is no challenge, or buried under it's own mechanics. Even then, the way gameplay and the story interact is... how to put this gently... somewhat stupid?

The biggest example is in the Pyrosphere, the obligatory lava/magma/volcano/fire world. Several times throughout the level, you take constant damage due to the extreme heat. After rushing through these dangerous areas and almost running out of energy several times, Adam authorizes the use of the Varia Suit when you are about to face the boss. This means that you never had to take any of that damage in the first place. So, Samus needlessly risked her life because Adam did not order her to use something she already had which he could do at any time!

 

[mimgrim]

It seems many series seem to have one of those... Starfox 64 then Adventures, Majora's Mask then WindWaker

I thought 64 was considered a good game by SF standards.... lol And as far as I know both MM and WW are both highly popular Zelda games that many Zelda fans enjoy. o.o

 

[Fire Emblemier]

I thought 64 was considered a good game by SF standards.... lol And as far as I know both MM and WW are both highly popular Zelda games that many Zelda fans enjoy. o.o

I was having it be the first of each series being a game praised by almost all fans then the second being a letdown.(By fans) I said this because of the prime series being considered great, but when something is change like other m, fans think it's terrible even when it isn't at times.

 

[Arcanir]

I don't even understand why most people hate Other M in the first place. Maybe it's because it's one of the few Metroid titles I haven't played, but it always comes out differently from different people, some people say it's the bland and boring story and the misogynistic way Samus is represented throughout the game. I don't hear anyone complain about the gameplay, and to be honest, that's the most important part of the game. So, please tell me somebody, what IS the real reason people hate Other M so much?

It's the story, and it's the execution of it. It's a great idea on paper but Sakamoto did not think some of his ideas through and it shows. For example, Samus having a PTSD (if that) attack doesn't make sense in the terms of the overarching story and it's not explained well within Other M regardless of that (literally, she just turns into a child and that's it for the allusion to the event) and really, has no effect on the story afterwards so it feels pointless. Adam's treatment is also similar to that, the character's completely "show, don't tell," he's not shown as a caring individual, he's told to be and you can't rely on that. On top of that, the character is portrayed pretty poorly, always being distant when he shouldn't be and shooting Samus in the back for no adequately explored reason.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Mario Sunshine is considered a not so good game in the Mario standards? Welp that is news to me. o.o

I don't think Sunshine holds up as well as it use to.

I thought 64 was considered a good game by SF standards.... lol And as far as I know both MM and WW are both highly popular Zelda games that many Zelda fans enjoy. o.o

What's this talk about StarFox 64 not being well like. What peopl don't like that game!?!?!?

 

[Fire Emblemier]

What's this talk about StarFox 64 not being well like. What peopl don't like that game!?!?!?

It was just confusion from my post.

 

[Deleted member]

Before Luigi became a "scaredy cat", he was nothing more than "Mario #2".

Made sense, considered back then he was typically just "Player 2 Mario".

 

[Teeb147]

I loved Mario Sunshine, it was a calmer game to play around in, splashing water and enjoying the nice sunny scenery :D
Disappointed FLUDD wasn't all that great in SSBB, maybe they'll change it around..

I'm still rooting for Krystal, even though the odds don't seem in her favor much..., I rooted for her before SSBB came out, and I still am

 

[Swift Fox]

I know I am crazy on Pokemon reps but it can happen! Purin and Pichu don't exactly deserve their own spots on the screen roster, so they'd share in one same spot and be as part of one new Pokemon Trainer named Leaf. She now got two pokemon, that's one pokemon less than Red so I decided to add one cute and popular Gen 1 pokemon: Eevee. Red got Gen1 starters while Leaf got non-starter furry and cute Gen1/2 pokemon.

No problem on Screen roster as there are only 5 spots for Pokemon!

 

[IsmaR]

I haven't played it, but I have watched someone else "Let's Play" it. And let me tell you, ugh, was it awful. A small list of things that just seemed off:

Watching anyone play anything can be considered boring. Playing for yourself will at least give you closure.

• It's not a Metroidvania, but a completely linear shooter. That's a bit iffy, as it's not the first game to do this. Arguably Fusion and the Prime series were just as, if not more linear. And a lot of people disliked them for that very reason, they just were more vocal to hate this game.
• Sense Move is broken, allowing you to completely dodge any attack and instantly get a much more powerful charge shot at no penalty. It has to be broken to combat the fact that all the enemies do ridiculous amounts of damage and there's no health regen aside from save points and the Concentration mechanic. It's especially more apparent in Hard Mode.
• Using missiles requires awkwardly going into a First Person Perspective with no movement. I used to have this belief as well, given the game usually doesn't require you or reward you for experimenting with missile/movement combos (aside from the sense dodge out of missile/FPS view), but it's actually one of those features you're supposed to work at to get good doing. Basically, using missiles while falling (FPS mode while falling makes everything go in slo-mo) allows for tons of combos like this.
• Samus auto-aims at any enemies in front of her- there is little need for aiming, meaning you can mow through enemies with ease. I admitted to this one in my post with the "limited controls" being a fault of the game. I would have preferred playing with the Classic Controller while still retaining the ability to go FPS mode by pointing the Wiimote at the screen.
• You can restock your mistles at any time with no consequences, and get back energy when low for no cost other than a small amount of time. If you've actually played the game, you know a "small amount of time" is damn near impossible to get in real-time combat. Did kinda make the missiles feel less special, though.
• The game randomly throws pixel hunts at you, and more often than not you are given no indication what you are even searching for. This...was one of my biggest gripes with the game, as well.

Responded in indigo.

All in all, the game is either so streamlined to the point where there is no challenge, or buried under it's own mechanics. Even then, the way gameplay and the story interact is... how to put this gently... somewhat stupid?

The biggest example is in the Pyrosphere, the obligatory lava/magma/volcano/fire world. Several times throughout the level, you take constant damage due to the extreme heat. After rushing through these dangerous areas and almost running out of energy several times, Adam authorizes the use of the Varia Suit when you are about to face the boss. This means that you never had to take any of that damage in the first place. So, Samus needlessly risked her life because Adam did not order her to use something she already had which he could do at any time!

I actually agree with the first part. The Hard Mode unlocked from beating the main game does somewhat make up for it.

And I know there's nothing I could say to justify the "authorization" mechanic, but it was mostly just a way to break from the usual/traditional item-get methods. I honestly believe no one would have had a problem at all with the pyrosphere incident if you instead had to find the Varia Suit power-up (which is actually how it worked in a few past game, Metroid Prime 2's Dark Suit comes to mind).

They attempt to justify it in game as well that Samus' abilities aren't safe for others around here (though mostly the Power Bomb/weapons in general rather than armor/suit features), and really it was more of a case of plot ex machina more than anything. Samus respected Adam enough to the point where she listened, which is something that is evident if you've read the manga/know the general story of their relationship (even the vague one depicted in Fusion). That said they did a poor job of conveying that through just monologues, especially in the few parts where Samus just directly ignored Adam just to advance forward (activating the Screw Attack and using the Power Bomb), and there's actually a few pick-ups she gets which aren't touched on at all as far as their potential effect on other squad members.

 

[kingmario92]

Does anyone want to talk about the addition of Medusa as a clone of Palutena. Maybe just the mere possibility? I know Kid Icarus may not even get another rep, but Sakurai is giving it a lot of love in the promos.

I don't really see the point. I like Medusa, but when it comes to Kid Icarus reps, Pit & Palutena are all we need.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Before Luigi became a "scaredy cat", he was nothing more than "Mario #2".

Made sense, considered back then he was typically just "Player 2 Mario".

That's the Luigi I remember...

 

[Fire Emblemier]

Explanation on overrepping Pokemon:I know I am crazy on Pokemon reps but it can happen! Purin and Pichu don't exactly deserve their own spots on the screen roster, so they'd share in one same spot and be as part of one new Pokemon Trainer named Leaf. She now got two pokemon, that's one pokemon less than Red so I decided to add one cute and popular Gen 1 pokemon: Eevee. Red got Gen1 starters while Leaf got non-starter furry and cute Gen1/2 pokemon.

No problem on Screen roster as there are only 5 spots for Pokemon!

Missing a 3rd DK rep, TBH, either Dixie or K. Rool would be fine.
Also no Ridley?! that's a first.
Everything else is ok, since everybody tends to put in their personal wanted reps from time to time.

 

[God Robert's Cousin]

More Other M bashing? Really? I posted this not even a week ago in the Ridley thread. I'm getting a lot of use out of this, it seems.

It's not a perfect game. We can all agree on that. The above video talks about what we can learn from Other M in its faults without actually bashing on it.

It's easy to hate Other M. I'd rather challenge us all by talking about something that requires, you know, thought?

 

[Swift Fox]

I'm not sure how to rep any more DK characters... I have doubt on K. Rool for being too Ridley ( ) and Dixie for a possible clone of Diddy.

 

[Hotfeet444]

I know I am crazy on Pokemon reps but it can happen! Purin and Pichu don't exactly deserve their own spots on the screen roster, so they'd share in one same spot and be as part of one new Pokemon Trainer named Leaf. She now got two pokemon, that's one pokemon less than Red so I decided to add one cute and popular Gen 1 pokemon: Eevee. Red got Gen1 starters while Leaf got non-starter furry and cute Gen1/2 pokemon.

No problem on Screen roster as there are only 5 spots for Pokemon!

Ashley's not happening, Krystal is not very likely, a second Pokemon Trainer isn't happening, you don't know what the term furry means so don't use as it makes you look stupid, Tom Nook isn't happening, A new Mother character won't happen and even if it does it won't be Poo, Chrom and Lucina will not be a team, you add Black Shadow and another Kirby rep but don't give Metroid another rep, and basically no Ridley. 4/10, and that's being generous.

 

[IsmaR]

I always thought Luigi personified the 2nd Banana trope before his scaredy-cat transformation. This is extremely clear in the RPG/Spin-offs.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

I don't really see the point. I like Medusa, but when it comes to Kid Icarus reps, Pit & Palutena are all we need.

Personally I think KI is fine with just Pit (even though I plan on making Palutena my 2nd main.) But, Sakurai makes those choices from time to time.

 

[BluePikmin11]

I feel after watching that Nintendo Direct, I feel very confident that Tom Nook will be in the game.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

I feel after watching that Nintendo Direct, I feel very confident that Tom Nook will be in the game.

What on earth made you think that???

 

[kingmario92]

Personally I think KI is fine with just Pit (even though I plan on making Palutena my 2nd main.) But, Sakurai makes those choices from time to time.

But if it ever needs another rep, Palutena will be the only other one needed