Roster Prediction Discussion Thread

[TheLastJinjo]

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Are we allowed to discuss Fire Emblem again, or is VoldemortIke.jpg still relevant? I just have a hypothetical question.

Let us just assume both Marth and Chrom are confirmed as Fire Emblem characters in SSB4. With two blue-haired swordsmen already, I'd like to know, who would seem most likely to be a third character: Roy, Ike, or Micaiah? I'm trying to make a revamped, realistic roster, but I'm having a frustrating time deciding between those three. Roy wouldn't differ enough from Marth's and Chrom's moves (and isn't a recurring lord), Ike would be a third blue-haired swordsman (starts misrepresenting the series) as well as potentially replaced by Chrom as most recent lord, and Micaiah isn't a recurring lord (nor does she have Roy's popularity). If one had to choose a third Fire Emblem character, who would provide the lesser of three evils? Roy's demand, Ike's notability, or Micaiah's diversity?

Well, with so many Femal Fire Emblem heroes I would expect Eirika or Lyn. On my roster I have Marth, Leaf, Chrom, and Ike. It's very likely Chrom MIGHT be a heavier Marth Clone, if Leaf is not present. Also if Roy returning would be a possibility meaning the removal of Leaf. So it's really hard to guess who will make it.

Also I fixed my link and roster pic

 

[Deleted member]

Only advice I'm going to give is that if you're hell-bent on having a Hunter instead of Ridley or Dark Samus, either Sylux or Weavel are the way to go.
Both have a backstory that involve Samus (Sylux has an unexplained hatred of the Galactic Federation and Samus, Weavel is a Space Pirate that had been turned into a cyborg after a near fatal battle with Samus), and both are generally more popular than the other Hunters. (Sylux possibly more so because the ship following Samus at the 100% ending of Prime 3 is speculated to be his Delano 7.)

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Only advice I'm going to give is that if you're hell-bent on having a Hunter instead of Ridley or Dark Samus, either Sylux or Weavel are the way to go.
Both have a backstory that involve Samus (Sylux has an unexplained hatred of the Galactic Federation and Samus, Weavel is a Space Pirate that had been turned into a cyborg after a near fatal battle with Samus), and both are generally more popular than the other Hunters. (Sylux possibly more so because the ship following Samus at the 100% ending of Prime 3 is speculated to be his Delano 7.)

I forgot to post

Trace is just a placeholder as for the slot being whatever bounty hunter is more likely. So that slot is bascially any of them.

Also:

Dark Samus: Considered to be basically another costume of Samus, but has different moves.

Ninten: Considered to be another costume of Ness, but has different moves.

That was my point earlier. Difference is Ninten would make more sense because he looks more different and I think Dark Samus fans would be satisfied if that was a recolor of Samus. Where as Ninten has more potential.

 

[God Robert's Cousin]

Well, with so many Femal Fire Emblem heroes I would expect Eirika or Lyn. On my roster I have Marth, Leaf, Chrom, and Ike. It's very likely Chrom MIGHT be a heavier Marth Clone, if Leaf is not present. Also if Roy returning would be a possibility meaning the removal of Leaf. So it's really hard to guess who will make it.

Also I fixed my link and roster pic

I edited my post before you responded. I really am curious though--why Leif? He was only in one Fire Emblem game, Tharcia 776 I believe, and that was Japanese only. Why would they choose him over a more recent or recurring lord?

 

[TheLastJinjo]

I edited my post before you responded. I really am curious though--why Leif? He was only in one Fire Emblem game, Tharcia 776 I believe, and that was Japanese only. Why would they choose him over a more recent or recurring lord?

Don't forget " FE: Genealogy of The Holy War ". I just thought he was a pretty famous FE Hero. It could just as well be someone else.

 

[_R@bid_]

Now it works. I'm a little confused by your choices of Ninten, Leif, Trace, and Bomberman, but other than that, it seems like an overall decent roster.

Are we allowed to discuss Fire Emblem again, or is VoldemortIke.jpg still relevant? I just have a hypothetical question.

Let us just assume both Marth and Chrom are confirmed as Fire Emblem characters in SSB4. With two blue-haired swordsmen already, I'd like to know, who would seem most likely to be a third character: Roy, Ike, or Micaiah? I'm trying to make a revamped, realistic roster, but I'm having a frustrating time deciding between those three. Roy wouldn't differ enough from Marth's and Chrom's moves (and isn't a recurring lord), Ike would be a third blue-haired swordsman (starts misrepresenting the series) as well as potentially replaced by Chrom as most recent lord, and Micaiah isn't a recurring lord (nor does she have Roy's popularity). If one had to choose a third Fire Emblem character, who would provide the lesser of three evils? Roy's demand, Ike's notability, or Micaiah's diversity?

Micaiah is very unlikely to happen. So that leaves Ike and Roy. Ike afaik is more popular, more unique (moveset wise), and more recent than Roy, so I would say Roy would only come in AFTER Ike, not before him.
Of course, I don't think Chrom would get in before either of them, since ALL he has is recentness.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

I think Dark Samus fans would be satisfied if that was a recolor of Samus. .

No. That would be a slap in the face.

Costumes are fine if they are different versions of the same character like Mario having a Dr. Mario costume or Overalls Wario.

Dark Samus is a completely different entity that can't actually do everything Samus can do. It wouldn't make much sense.

And if Dark Samus can be a recolor of Samus, why couldn't Ninten be a recolor of Ness?

 

[Deleted member]

I forgot to post

Trace is just a placeholder as for the slot being whatever bounty hunter is more likely. So that slot is bascially any of them.

Also:

Dark Samus: Considered to be basically another costume of Samus, but has different moves.

Ninten: Considered to be another costume of Ness, but has different moves.

That was my point earlier. Difference is Ninten would make more sense because he looks more different and I think Dark Samus fans would be satisfied if that was a recolor of Samus. Where as Ninten has more potential.

Ninten does not look "more different".
You literally have to put in effort to make him different enough from Ness to where people will not confuse the two. Because in canon, they are almost completely identical.
Dark Samus, on the other hand, has an appearance that is really frigging different to where someone would have to be blind to not tell the difference.

This is Ninten and Ness:

Spoiler

This is Samus and Dark Samus:

Spoiler

As for moves, Dark Samus doesn't fight anything like Samus! Why do you think we have been telling you to play Prime 2 and 3?
D.S. uses skills that Samus is incapable of doing!

All those moves Ness uses in Smash? Ninten is logically capable of doing them all except PK Flash and PK Starstorm, though PK Beam and PK Beam Omega are easy substitutes.
To say Ninten has more potential than Dark Samus is insane!

And with that, I'm done. There's only so much of this I can take.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

No. That would be a slap in the face.

Costumes are fine if they are different versions of the same character like Mario having a Dr. Mario costume or Overalls Wario.

Dark Samus is a completely different entity that can't actually do everything Samus can do. It wouldn't make much sense.

And if Dark Samus can be a recolor of Samus, why couldn't Ninten be a recolor of Ness?

Ninten CAN be a costume for Ness, just as well as dark samus. You just defended Dark Samus pretty much the same way I defended Ninten.

While you consider Ninten to just be another Ness. Ninten is actually a completely different person who doesn't do everything Ness does. Also if you redesign Ninten like I said in my video, He would look more different from Ness than Dark Samus would from Samus.

Are defenses for both characters are evenly matched. But, in my PERSONAL OPINION. Dark Samus is more absurd than Ninten.

And thus I say anybody who calls me out for having Ninten whilst having Dark Samus is being Hypocritical.

 

[God Robert's Cousin]

Ninten CAN be a costume for Ness, just as well as dark samus. You just defended Dark Samus pretty much the same way I defended Ninten.

While you consider Ninten to just be another Ness. Ninten is actually a completely different person who doesn't do everything Ness does. Also if you redesign Ninten like I said in my video, He would look more different from Ness than Dark Samus would from Samus.

Are defenses for both characters are evenly matched. But, in my PERSONAL OPINION. Dark Samus is more absurd than Ninten.

And thus I say anybody who calls me out for having Ninten whilst having Dark Samus is being Hypocritical.

Ninten and Ness look the same in canon. Samus and Dark Samus do not.

Ninten learns PK Beam and 4th-D Slip. Ness learns PSI Flash and PSI Rockin' as well as other moves. Beyond that, they literally have the exact same equipment and support PSI.
Samus has an adaptive arsenal of beams and abilities based on Chozo technology. Dark Samus has various phazon-based powers, including power absorption, levitation, invisibility, showers of dark energy, etc. The only things both Samus' can do is fire beams out of their arm-cannons.

It's not hypocritical to see this difference. Ninten is merely a predecessor of Ness while Dark Samus is an established, entirely different entity from Samus.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Ninten does not look "more different".
You literally have to put in effort to make him different enough from Ness to where people will not confuse the two. Because in canon, they are almost completely identical.
Dark Samus, on the other hand, has an appearance that is really frigging different to where someone would have to be blind to not tell the difference.

This is Ninten and Ness:

Spoiler

This is Samus and Dark Samus:

Spoiler

As for moves, Dark Samus doesn't fight anything like Samus! Why do you think we have been telling you to play Prime 2 and 3?
D.S. uses skills that Samus is incapable of doing!

All those moves Ness uses in Smash? Ninten is logically capable of doing them all except PK Flash and PK Starstorm, though PK Beam and PK Beam Omega are easy substitutes.
To say Ninten has more potential than Dark Samus is insane!

And with that, I'm done. There's only so much of this I can take.

(I'm not yelling when I use caps, I'm just trying to make those specific words more noticeable.)

By using THE ORIGINAL ARTWORK of Ninten and comparing it to Ness is a false way to back up your point. BECAUSE.....

I've said millions of times "Ninten will NOT be in SSB while he still looks like that which is why he would be REDESIGNED" by ignoring that, your rebuttal would not make any sense because that's not what he would look like if he was in SSB4. IN FACT: If Ninten had different colored clothes that would be the same as Dark Samus having a different colored suit (Not to mention samus has other colors besides orange which may make her less distinct from Dark Samus.)

I've ALSO said millions of times Ninten would have different PSI moves LIKE:

Teleport
Hypnosis
Beam

To ignore that as well is also a bad way to prove your point because Lucas had NONE of his original PSI moves instead he borrowed them all from Kumatora as would Ninten borrow "Beam" from Ana.

Not only would he be differently colored like Dark Samus, but what makes his choice make more sense is his clothing would be different TOO. (Hat position, bandanna, shirt+pants coloring) Where as Dark Samus has a claw to differ from Samus's suit which is NOT noticeable.

Please don't try to prove a point by simply IGNORING what I have already said and defending your point by acting as if what I defended my point with was never said.

So YES it IS hypocritical to promote Dark Samus and then complain about Ninten who I'VE ALREADY said would look different because of redesign where as otherwise he would not be in the game.

 

[G0LD3N L0TUS]

(I'm not yelling when I use caps, I'm just trying to make those specific words more noticeable.)

By using THE ORIGINAL ARTWORK of Ninten and comparing it to Ness is a false way to back up your point. BECAUSE.....

I've said millions of times "Ninten will NOT be in SSB while he still looks like that which is why he would be REDESIGNED" by ignoring that, your rebuttal would not make any sense because that's not what he would look like if he was in SSB4. IN FACT: If Ninten had different colored clothes that would be the same as Dark Samus having a different colored suit (Not to mention samus has other colors besides orange which may make her less distinct from Dark Samus.)

I've ALSO said millions of times Ninten would have different PSI moves LIKE:

Teleport
Hypnosis
Beam

To ignore that as well is also a bad way to prove your point because Lucas had NONE of his original PSI moves instead he borrowed them all from Kumatora as would Ninten borrow "Beam" from Ana.

Not only would he be differently colored like Dark Samus, but what makes his choice make more sense is his clothing would be different TOO. (Hat position, bandanna, shirt+pants coloring) Where as Dark Samus has a claw to differ from Samus's suit which is NOT noticeable.

Please don't try to prove a point by simply IGNORING what I have already said and defending your point by acting as if what I defended my point with was never said.

So YES it IS hypocritical to promote Dark Samus and then complain about Ninten who I'VE ALREADY said would look different because of redesign where as otherwise he would not be in the game.

While GRC explained the wrong point, I do agree with him in his final observation "Ninten is Ness' insignificant predecessor while Dark Samus is completely different from Samus"

Ninten was released only in Japan, which is likely what killed him. Ness became the poster boy in his place, so there is absolutely 0 reason to have him.

In Dark Samus' case, DS could represent the Metroids and is already a popular choice.

We don't care about the appearance similarities. We care that Ninten is unpopular and a shadow of Ness while Dark Samus is pretty popular and represents the Metroids.

On a separate note, you can easily tell Dark Samus and Samus apart because Dark Samus was made as a mirror image of Samus, making things right-left instead of left-right. The claw is on the left hand, while Samus' open hand is on her right, and vice-verca with the blaster.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Ninten CAN be a costume for Ness, just as well as dark samus. You just defended Dark Samus pretty much the same way I defended Ninten. Exactly. Meaning by your logic, both should be characters.

While you consider Ninten to just be another Ness. Ninten is actually a completely different person who doesn't do everything Ness does. Also if you redesign Ninten like I said in my video, He would look more different from Ness than Dark Samus would from Samus. I never said Ninten was another Ness and I know they have a couple of individual attacks (not as much as Dark Samus, but that's not the point). A redesign still has to look like the original. Pit still looks like Pit even after he got the new design.

Are defenses for both characters are evenly matched. But, in my PERSONAL OPINION. Dark Samus is more absurd than Ninten. How? By your logic, both should be characters.

And thus I say anybody who calls me out for having Ninten whilst having Dark Samus is being Hypocritical. Isn't it hypocritical to support Ninten but not Dark Samus? You can literally apply EVERYTHING you said to Dark Samus as well.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

"Ninten is Ness'

If you can say Ninten is Ness, I can say Dark Samus is Samus

 

[G0LD3N L0TUS]

If you can say Ninten is Ness, I can say Dark Samus is Samus

I never said Ninten is Ness. I said Ninten is a shadow of Ness, meaning people care about Ness, and Ninten, not so much.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

REPLY TO SWAMPASAUR:

AGREED. But, like you think Dark Samus is more likely, I think Ninten is more likely. That's just our opinions and we both are entitled to them just as much.

 

[G0LD3N L0TUS]

By your logic, both should be characters.

But it's his opinion, not his logic

 

[God Robert's Cousin]

I really don't think he's listening no matter what we say. We're better off just changing the topic entirely. What matters is that we can all agree that at least one person in this thread is wrong. I think that's the best we're going to get out of this.

What do we all say about this guy?

 

[Swamp Sensei]

I really don't think he's listening no matter what we say. We're better off just changing the topic entirely. What matters is that we can all agree that at least one person in this thread is wrong. I think that's the best we're going to get out of this.

What do we all say about this guy?

Sakurai doesn't like him apparently.

It's a shame too. Isn't he from Nintendo's only original fighting game or something?

 

[Neanderthal]

Well, with so many Femal Fire Emblem heroes I would expect Eirika or Lyn. On my roster I have Marth, Leaf, Chrom, and Ike. It's very likely Chrom MIGHT be a heavier Marth Clone, if Leaf is not present. Also if Roy returning would be a possibility meaning the removal of Leaf. So it's really hard to guess who will make it.

Also I fixed my link and roster pic

What is your reasoning for choosing Lyn or Erika over the most recent female FE rep Lucina?

 

[Swamp Sensei]

What is your reasoning for choosing Leaf or Erika over the most recent female FE rep Lucina?

Don't you know? Lucina would be a Marth clone.

Which is why he chose Erika as the Marth clone... -_-

And Leaf is a guy for future reference.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

But it's his opinion, not his logic

1. Not quite sure what that statement means
2. You are clearly trolling somebody who is not trolling you, which is kind of rude (Even though I don't know you so I see no reason to be offended)
3. Trying to make out what your statement means, I think you are saying what I posted is an opinion, not logic simply meaning it couldn't possibly be logical because it's not YOUR opinion, which is kind of closed minded.
4. Saying Dark Samus is logical and Ninten is not, but for the same reasons that I used to defend Ninten is just simply what we call "Denial"
5. I'm not gonna report you for trolling because I'm trying to be nice.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

1. Not quite sure what that statement means Maybe that's for the best.
2. You are clearly trolling somebody who is not trolling you, which is kind of rude (Even though I don't know you so I see no reason to be offended) You've been kind of rude from the get go dude. He tried to be nice. Didn't work.
3. Trying to make out what your statement means, I think you are saying what I posted is an opinion, not logic simply meaning it couldn't possibly be logical because it's not YOUR opinion, which is kind of closed minded. Oh well. Never mind. You go it. Kinda. Ignore my reply to number one.
4. Saying Dark Samus is logical and Ninten is not, but for the same reasons that I used to defend Ninten is just simply what we call "Denial" Except we used more reasons to defend Dark Samus. Much more.
5. I'm not gonna report you for trolling because I'm trying to be nice. I doubt M&SG would get him in trouble for that. If you're gonna report his post for that, then boy, you will not survive this place.

Read the red!

I should coin that term.

 

[AEMehr]

Are defenses for both characters are evenly matched. But, in my PERSONAL OPINION. Dark Samus is more absurd than Ninten.

I find the fact that you believe a third MOTHER character is possible is absurd, especially one that the general public is completely unaware about. Unlike Porky and the Masked Man, who are more popular and unique characters in comparison to a probable clone that nobody really cares about anymore.

And I don't know about you, but I would much rather like to see Pajamas Ness or even Robot Ness as an alternate costume. Considering that they are actually the same person as Ness.

 

[Deleted member]

You keep saying things like "would" as if everything will be to your specifications because you say they will. -_-

So yes, I'm going to ignore your little "this will happen this way because I say it will, and that means I am right and you are wrong" and go with actual facts.
If you don't like it, tough ****. This isn't SilverSaturn's Make Believe World where everything will be the way SilverSaturn wants it to be; this is cold dark reality.

Fact: Ninten and Ness look practically the same and have near the exact same skillset.
SilverSaturn Logic: Ninten will have these specific differences because I say he will and he will be completely different from Ness because I say so.

Fact: Samus and Dark Samus have clear differences in both appearance and skills to the point all they really share is an identical name.
SilverSaturn Logic: Dark Samus is just like Samus because I say so.

Until you learn to grow up and stop trying to reject reality and substitute your own, you will never be taken seriously.


So here's what we're going to do; we're going to have a little wager.
Since you for sure know "your characters" are going to be at E3 and you can't wait to show us you're right, this is what the wager shall be:
1. If a non-cloned Ninten, a cloned Leif, a Hunter instead of Ridley, Bomberman, and Mewthree (it has to be with no Mewtwo in sight and has to be referred to as "Mewthree" to count) are not all present at E3, you have to never post here again.
2. If you are right and they do all appear at E3, I have to delete my account.

Unless of course, you're too afraid of being wrong.

 

[God Robert's Cousin]

I find the fact that you believe a third MOTHER character is possible is absurd, especially one that the general public is completely unaware about. Unlike Porky and the Masked Man, who are more popular and unique characters in comparison to a probable clone that nobody really cares about anymore.

And I don't know about you, but I would much rather like to see Pajamas Ness or even Robot Ness as an alternate costume. Considering that they are actually the same person as Ness.

If I may beg to differ, I don't think a third Mother character is completely out of the question. Considering how renowned the trilogy is, three characters doesn't seem absolutely absurd. If a character like Porky or the Masked Man are added, it could be universally accepted by both fans in and out of the series that Earthbound is truly complete as a series in Smash Bros. Nobody would seriously ask for another Mother character again, and everyone is happy. Of course, you're entitled to think otherwise.

I'm not gonna report you for trolling because I'm trying to be nice. I doubt M&SG would get him in trouble for that. If you're gonna report his post for that, then boy, you will not survive this place.

Reported for actually understanding how reporting works.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

As i've said before, I think Ninten had his chance with the original Super Smash Bros. That was when his game was most recent. But, Ness was chosen over him. Therefore, unless he gets a release in North America, which is basically bound to NOT happen, he is screwed.

However this is my opinion on the matter.

 

[G0LD3N L0TUS]

You keep saying things like "would" as if everything will be to your specifications because you say they will. -_-

So yes, I'm going to ignore your little "this will happen this way because I say it will, and that means I am right and you are wrong" and go with actual facts.
If you don't like it, tough ****. This isn't SilverSaturn's Make Believe World where everything will be the way SilverSaturn wants it to be; this is cold dark reality.

Fact: Ninten and Ness look practically the same and have near the exact same skillset.
SilverSaturn Logic: Ninten will have these specific differences because I say he will and he will be completely different from Ness because I say so.

Fact: Samus and Dark Samus have clear differences in both appearance and skills to the point all they really share is an identical name.
SilverSaturn Logic: Dark Samus is just like Samus because I say so.

Until you learn to grow up and stop trying to reject reality and substitute your own, you will never be taken seriously.


So here's what we're going to do; we're going to have a little wager.
Since you for sure know "your characters" are going to be at E3 and you can't wait to show us you're right, this is what the wager shall be:
1. If a non-cloned Ninten, a cloned Leif, a Hunter instead of Ridley, Bomberman, and Mewthree (it has to be with no Mewtwo in sight and has to be referred to as "Mewthree" to count) are not all present at E3, you have to never post here again.
2. If you are right and they do all appear at E3, I have to delete my account.

Unless of course, you're too afraid of being wrong.

No, if he's right, we'll ALL delete our accounts.

 

[3Bismyname]

C'mon there's no way he could win that bet... plz take him up on it Noah

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Reported for actually understanding how reporting works.

Um... what?

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

You keep saying things like "would" as if everything will be to your specifications because you say they will. -_-

So yes, I'm going to ignore your little "this will happen this way because I say it will, and that means I am right and you are wrong" and go with actual facts.
If you don't like it, tough ****. This isn't SilverSaturn's Make Believe World where everything will be the way SilverSaturn wants it to be; this is cold dark reality.

Fact: Ninten and Ness look practically the same and have near the exact same skillset.
SilverSaturn Logic: Ninten will have these specific differences because I say he will and he will be completely different from Ness because I say so.

Fact: Samus and Dark Samus have clear differences in both appearance and skills to the point all they really share is an identical name.
SilverSaturn Logic: Dark Samus is just like Samus because I say so.

Until you learn to grow up and stop trying to reject reality and substitute your own, you will never be taken seriously.


So here's what we're going to do; we're going to have a little wager.
Since you for sure know "your characters" are going to be at E3 and you can't wait to show us you're right, this is what the wager shall be:
1. If a non-cloned Ninten, a cloned Leif, a Hunter instead of Ridley, Bomberman, and Mewthree (it has to be with no Mewtwo in sight and has to be referred to as "Mewthree" to count) are not all present at E3, you have to never post here again.
2. If you are right and they do all appear at E3, I have to delete my account.

Unless of course, you're too afraid of being wrong.

I'll delete my account, and then eat my Brawl Disc if he is correct.

 

[God Robert's Cousin]

No, if he's right, we'll ALL delete our accounts.

If he's right, the entire Smashboards forum is shut down save for his account.

Um... what?

It was supposed to be a joke. Worked at my old forum. I'm feeling a little culture shock.

 

[3Bismyname]

honestly if even one of those characters made it it would be a miracle

 

[MagnesD3]

Who is ninten, if he is from earthbound porky with his spider bot is better sry :D

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

Who is ninten, if he is from earthbound porky with his spider bot is better sry :D

Ninten is the original protagonist from the original Mother, who looks like a spitting image of Ness.

 

[3Bismyname]

i remember when i first saw an image of Ninten. i had to triple check to make sure i wasnt looking at a pic of Ness lol

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

Noah has pushed me to type a rant that I will probably post sometime tomorrow because of some of the random choices he made. They just....no.

 

[God Robert's Cousin]

Noah has pushed me to type a rant that I will probably post sometime tomorrow because of some of the random choices he made. They just....no.

As wondrous as I'm sure it'd be, save yourself the effort. The guy has a 90+ post-count with not a single like, and it's clear to everyone else that he's the only one rooting for himself and his "realistic roster". Noah isn't worth your time, my friend.

 

[MagnesD3]

Ninten is the original protagonist from the original Mother, who looks like a spitting image of Ness.

I can see why they changed the main character that name sounds really dumb ( I honestly though Ness was the main character for the first two )

 

[G0LD3N L0TUS]

Ninten is the original protagonist from the original Mother, who looks like a spitting image of Ness.

Please stop pointing that out. It's what Noah's entire counter-argument is based off of.