Roster Prediction Discussion Thread

[josh bones]

Final Roster "Predictions" Before E3

Super Mario

1. Mario
2. Luigi
3. Peach
4. Bowser
5. Bowser Jr

-The Mario roster has good choices so far, four of the prominent character in the series. Bowser Jr has become quite the character as well since he debuted. Starting off as mainly in the side games he really took hold of the main series as a major villain there. If you think about it the Wii and DS generation was his stand out moment. Bowser Jr is also pretty popular and offer a new, unique, moveset compared to his dads.-
Pretty good

Legend of Zelda

6. Link
7. Zelda/Impa
8. Ghirahim
9. Toon Link
10. Wind Waker HD Ganondorf


-Skyward Sword will basically impact the Zelda roster the most in SSB4 (like OoT and TP did before it). The game was big and is still the latest console one at this time. Link and Zelda obviously stay but Impa would replace Sheik. It would be more of a team tagging out (using a spell to switch characters on and off the stage). Impa plays a big role in the series and made her return in Skyward Sword. Ghirahim made an impact in that game as well, he was important to the story and was around throughout most of the game. He is popular, bring in a new fighting style, and adds another villain to the Zelda series (something of which I feel it needs).

Since Ganondorf was not in Skyward Sword I feel he could be transfered to his Toon Wind Waker form. To both give Toon Link a villain and to rep the upcoming return of Wind Waker. This wouldn't hurt Link and Zelda/Impa much since they would have Ghirahim as their villain
Impa should NOT replace Shiek, no matter what Diddy Kong tells you. I don't see Girahim getting in, but that's more opinion
Pokemon

11. Pikachu
12. Jigglypuff
13. Pokemon Trainer Gold w/ Chikorita, Quilava, & Feraligatr
14. Mewtwo/Awakened Mewtwo
15. Genesect

-Pikachu and Jigglypuff obviously will stay since they have been in sicne the beginning. With the recent remakes of the Johto games, I feel the trainer can be updated to Gold. He is a popular trainer as well and the Johto starters (who also have their own popularity) would offer something new. It also helps cut down on the Gen 1 reps.

Mewtwo is returning in both a movie and Gen 6 as his new Awakened form. This is the big chance to bring him back, especially since people want him. Genesect is also in that movie and is a good choice to rep Gen 5. Doing so would also put a more villainesque Pokemon character in as well.-
Red gone, and Genesect over Lucario. WhaT

Donkey Kong

16. Donkey Kong
17. Diddy Kong
18. King K. Rool

-DK and Diddy are still great choices together for the series, and rep majority of the Wii and DS DK games. King K. Rool has also made a few recent appearances in Mario and DK games, and he is still the villain for the series. K. Rool is also quite asked for.-
No problem here

Earthbound/Mother

19. Ness
20. Lucas

-The series is still repped well with Ness and Lucas. The last game was 2006 and even with Earthbound being put up for download again (and supposedly talk from the company about something *rumor*) I don't see any need for another character.-

F-Zero

21. Captain Falcon

-Captain Falcon is the only character F-Zero needs until new games start to come out again.-

Yoshi's Story/Island

22. Yoshi

-Yoshi is still the perfect rep for its series, it doesn't need anyone else.-

Star Fox

23. Fox
24. Falco
25. Wolf

-The three from Brawl still do well to rep the series, especially with the lack of games lately (Command in 2006 and 64 3D in 2011). Krystal could make sense but it is not entirely needed (unless a newer game comes out soon).

Metroid

26. Samus/Zero Suit Samus
27. Ridley

-The Metroid series is in need of another rep. A villain one makes the most sense and the obvious choice in Ridley. He is Samus's rival and played a big role in both Prime 3 and Other M. The latter of which could have a version that can easily be scaled down for Smash.-
Yep.
WarioWare/Land

28. Wario

-Wario still reps both of his series perfectly by himself.-

Fire Emblem

29. Marth
30. Micaiah
31. Chrom

-Marth is the original lord, and has had both of his games remade, he is a guaranteed stay. I feel Ike could be replaced by Micaiah since she had a prominent role in Radiant Dawn, almost as much as Ike. Bring her in also bring in a new class and new fighting style. Chrom is the main character from the latest Fire Emblem, Awakening, and he would easily make up for Ike's loss. These two newcomers helps diversify the roster, helping it stay away from all sword users, and are both popular as well.-

Kirby

32. Kirby
33. King DeDeDe
34. Metaknight

-The three Kirby characters from Brawl are still the perfect team to rep the series. It doesn't need anyone else without going into "lesser characters".-

Kid Icarus

35. Pit
36. Palutena

-Kid Icarus returned on the 3DS with Uprising and due to both the game's popularity and the history of the series warrants another character. Palutena has been around since the beginning, has quite the popularity for herself, and brings in a new style.-

Pikmin

37. Captain Olimar

-Captain Olimar is still the best rep to have for Pikmin. If Pikmin 3 does well though, I could see the leads from their either being added or replacing Olimar.-

Xenoblade

38. Shulk

-Xenoblade is one of the biggest IPs Nintendo brought out during the Wii gen. It became massively popular. Shulk is the lead and his weapon, the Monado, is the main focus of the game. He is popular and offers a new sword style.-

Golden Sun

39. Matthew

-Golden Sun has been around for a while now and has become quite the popular series aong fans. The latest game in the series, Dark Dawn, is technically the start of the main story and Matthew was the lead for it. He is most likely going to stay in the row when the series continues as well.-

Sin & Punishment

40. Isa Jo

-Sin & Punishment made both its return and its localization during this past gen. The original game was imported over and the second game was physically released as well. The series has its own set of popularity, enough to warrant a character. Isa is the current lead (and he will most likely be for the next one) and I feel they could do more with him than Saki because of the jetpack.

Punchout

41. Little Mac

-Punchout is a legendary franchise and Little Mac is a legendary character. The series returned back in 2009 on the Wii and that was also received with much popularity (like the older games). Little Mac would bring a new fighting style in as a boxer.-

Dillon's Rolling Western

42. Dillon

-Dillon's Rolling Western is one of the bigger new franchise released lately on the 3DS. Dillon would be a newer style and this could be their way of pushing the series more.-

Retro

43. Mr. Game & Watch
44. Ice Climbers
45. ROB
46. Sheriff
47. Takamaru

-Mr. Game & Watch, Ice Climbers, and ROB are easily going to stay in as Retro characters. Two new ones that could be added are Sheriff and Takamaru. Sheriff is very historical for Nintendo, dating all the way back to 1979. He is practically one of their original characters. Takamaru also seems to be getting a lot of love lately, from being in Samurai Warriors 3 to having a mini-game based around his game in Nintendo Land. Nintendo may be trying to bring him back and including him in Smash would be the way to do it.- Sheriff is questionable, but the rest is good

3rd Party

48. Sonic the Hedgehog
49. Mega-Man
50. Lloyd Irving

-Due to the many Sonic games on on Nintendo systes lately, and his overall popularity, Sonic staying is not much of a longshot. There is talk of a Capcom character being included, and that should easily be the company's "mascot" Mega-Man. The original version makes sense since the classic series returned with 9 & 10 on WiiWare. He is also pretty much the most requested for the series as well.

Namco is helping make the game and could easily put in one of their characters. Lloyd would be a good choice since he is one of the more prominent Tales characters with Nintendo, from back with ToS on the Gamecube to its sequel and Soul Calibur Legends on the Wii. Including a Tales character would also shine a light on the Tales series and help it get more noticed.-

Wii Series

51. Mii

-Miis were a big addition to the Wii and they are still around for the Wii U and 3DS. The Wii _____ Series games were pretty popular and you can easily draw stuff from those games for a moveset. From the likes of rollinjg a bowling ball and swinging a golf club to throwing stones and using karate.'

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A 50 character roster plus the Mii
21 and a half newcomers

Reasons for Removals:

Red - Despite his popularity, he doesn't really rep much of the latest Pokemon games (outside of being a boss battle). There are also other popular trainers and using one of them could help represent a different gen. Not that he is a bad choice but I don't feel we need an overabundance of Gen 1. Mewtwo at least makes sense because of his new form for Gen 6.

Lucario - I feel that because of the Gen 2 Remakes, 5th Gen, and the upcoming 6th Gen the "need" for a 4th Gen (Sinnoh) is a little less now. Mewtwo was passed over for Lucario, so his spot is not really set in stone. The inclusion of Gold also reps the latest form of 4th Gen (the Johto remakes).

Ike - He was still prominent in Radiant Dawn, as well as being Awakening DLC, but the same things applies to Micaiah. It is more of cutting down on the blue haired sword user and trying to diversify this roster as much as possible (which it needs). Having Marth, Ike, and Chrom altogether would be having a roster that is a little too similar, since Chrom is basically a mix of both of them.

Snake - Konami doesn't appear to be supporting Nintendo much, at least not yet, and that especially applies to Metal Gear Solid. It at least made some sense in Brawl because of Twin Snakes. If Konami does indeed stay around with a rep, a Castlevania one would make a bit more sense. The series started with Nintendo and has has quite the name for itself on the Wii, DS, and 3DS.

 

[HylianHeroBigBoss]

Legend of Zelda

6. Link
7. Zelda/Impa
8. Ghirahim
9. Toon Link
10. Wind Waker HD Ganondorf

-Skyward Sword will basically impact the Zelda roster the most in SSB4 (like OoT and TP did before it). The game was big and is still the latest console one at this time. Link and Zelda obviously stay but Impa would replace Sheik. It would be more of a team tagging out (using a spell to switch characters on and off the stage). Impa plays a big role in the series and made her return in Skyward Sword. Ghirahim made an impact in that game as well, he was important to the story and was around throughout most of the game. He is popular, bring in a new fighting style, and adds another villain to the Zelda series (something of which I feel it needs).

Since Ganondorf was not in Skyward Sword I feel he could be transfered to his Toon Wind Waker form. To both give Toon Link a villain and to rep the upcoming return of Wind Waker. This wouldn't hurt Link and Zelda/Impa much since they would have Ghirahim as their villain.-

I like everything going on here, its the best of both worlds

Snake - Konami doesn't appear to be supporting Nintendo much, at least not yet, and that especially applies to Metal Gear Solid. It at least made some sense in Brawl because of Twin Snakes. If Konami does indeed stay around with a rep, a Castlevania one would make a bit more sense. The series started with Nintendo and has has quite the name for itself on the Wii, DS, and 3DS.

But this i cant agree with. Nowhere does it say that each third party has to actively support nintendo to get in there, and i highly doubt sakurai would place characters based on brand loyalty especially when he knows kojima personally. And besides the 3DS just got a metal gear game last year, so thats at least something.

 

[N3ON]

The one thing is, though, I don't think Sakurai ruled out Starfy for reasons of feasibility. Bear with me, for a moment. I may go off on a bit of a tangent.

Okay, so often times, after people bring up the Dojo update as a point "against" Starfy, they bring up the infamous Famitsu article that supposedly says that no series after Melee other than Pikmin warranted a playable character, therefor ruling Starfy out. However.
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Here's the page in question. Outright, he dismisses the Nintendog and Animal Crossing characters for not being appropriate for a fighting game. However, I don't think this is the reason he dismissed Starfy. If we look a bit closer, Sakurai says that

Hence, this is what I believe Starfy's problem was. His fan base was rather limited to Sakurai, seeing that his series was only released in Japan. (As for Lucas, his series was at least international, and Marth and Roy in Melee, as we know, almost didn't get put into the international version of the game.).

But that's just the way I see things, and while I don't consider Starfy to be extremely likely, I do think that he's the quintessential "sleeper" candidate that not many people see coming.

Sorry it took a long time to reply, but I pretty much agree with what Golden said. If Sakurai had said Starfy didn't "warrant" inclusion, like was originally thought, then that can change over time, Starfy could eventually warrant inclusion in Sakurai's mind. But he said he didn't think any character between Pikmin and Brawl had characters suitable for Smash, which, unless Starfy drastically changes (which he hasn't), is fairly definitive. Increasing merit is easier than suddenly becoming fighter material with really nothing new to go on (the one Starfy game released after Brawl didn't do that much to expand Starfy's basic fighting ability - which I agree he has, but I guess Sakurai doesn't).

And tbh the only reason I don't think Sakurai mentioned Starfy in that NP interview is because he was Japan-only at the time.

I agree Starfy has more in his favour now, and if not "warranting" inclusion was the problem before, I'd agree he's done enough to be reconsidered, but as it was really Starfy himself that was the problem, I don't know how likely it is that he'll show up. Not that I dislike Starfy or anything, I defend him when people keep trying to bring up Sakurai bias, but it seems he's kinda been ruled out.

Bet you were surprised this wasn't a response to the Muddy thing

When I first saw all you wrote I thought either it must be unrelated to Muddy or you're really pissed.

I meant to say "Samurai Warriors" and just because you don't agree with any roster that doesn't have your reps isn't a reason to be hating. Be more adult. Starfy is no more absurd than a lot of characters I've seen on here.

Actually your roster does have the rep I want, but some people are capable of looking past their biases to see larger problems.
And you'll probably disagree, but it's quite ironic to be told to be more adult by someone ignoring valid points brought up against them by focusing on playing the victim to our "logic".

Starfy has been previously deemed unfeasible by Sakurai. There might be other absurd characters out there, but that's no reason to keep one personally turned down by Sakurai.


"Debating" with DSN.... I shouldn't even bother....

Oh well!

Final Roster "Predictions" Before E3
Pokemon

11. Pikachu
12. Jigglypuff
13. Pokemon Trainer Gold w/ Chikorita, Quilava, & Feraligatr
14. Mewtwo/Awakened Mewtwo
15. Genesect

-Pikachu and Jigglypuff obviously will stay since they have been in sicne the beginning. With the recent remakes of the Johto games, I feel the trainer can be updated to Gold. He is a popular trainer as well and the Johto starters (who also have their own popularity) would offer something new. It also helps cut down on the Gen 1 reps.

Mewtwo is returning in both a movie and Gen 6 as his new Awakened form. This is the big chance to bring him back, especially since people want him. Genesect is also in that movie and is a good choice to rep Gen 5. Doing so would also put a more villainesque Pokemon character in as well.-

Recent remakes? Recent? The remakes that, at the time of SSB4's release, will be two gens old? Not recent, and believe it or not, not ever gen or set of games needs representation. And you know what else would offer something new? A character that doesn't require three new movesets to represent a random gen when the existing Pokemon Trainer's Pokemon are more iconic, more popular, and easier to include. And Sakurai clearly doesn't want to cut down on Gen 1 reps. He had six different gen 1 Pokemon planned for Brawl.

Also keeping Lucario is much more likely than a 5th gen at this point. Plus Mewtwo is a villainesque Pokemon, not that it effects chances.

Fire Emblem

29. Marth
30. Micaiah
31. Chrom

-Marth is the original lord, and has had both of his games remade, he is a guaranteed stay. I feel Ike could be replaced by Micaiah since she had a prominent role in Radiant Dawn, almost as much as Ike. Bring her in also bring in a new class and new fighting style. Chrom is the main character from the latest Fire Emblem, Awakening, and he would easily make up for Ike's loss. These two newcomers helps diversify the roster, helping it stay away from all sword users, and are both popular as well.-

If you're going with the "newest game" rep route, there's no reason to also need to represent a game six years old and four games back. Especially since Ike ALREADY REPRESENTS RD. And diversity is nice, I'll give you that, but it's not something Sakurai prioritizes above... you know, logic. He's not going to get rid of a popular existing character to replace it with a less-popular character from the SAME GAME. Another problem is you made adding Micaiah a higher priority than Chrom, so Chrom could "make up" for Ike's abscence, due to Micaiah. That's pretty flawed.

Of course with logic based on "well, it could happen" I can't expect much more than nonsense.

Xenoblade

38. Shulk

-Xenoblade is one of the biggest IPs Nintendo brought out during the Wii gen. It became massively popular. Shulk is the lead and his weapon, the Monado, is the main focus of the game. He is popular and offers a new sword style.-

Golden Sun

39. Matthew

-Golden Sun has been around for a while now and has become quite the popular series aong fans. The latest game in the series, Dark Dawn, is technically the start of the main story and Matthew was the lead for it. He is most likely going to stay in the row when the series continues as well.-

Sin & Punishment

40. Isa Jo

-Sin & Punishment made both its return and its localization during this past gen. The original game was imported over and the second game was physically released as well. The series has its ownb set of popularity, enough to warrant a character. Isa is the current lead (and he will most likely be for the next one) and I feel they could do more with him than Saki because of the jetpack.

Once we know more about X, and if it indeed turns out to be directly related to Xenoblade, am I to assume you'll be replacing Shulk with the protagonist? (keep in mind Sakurai has probably known about X since creating the roster).

Dillon's Rolling Western

42. Dillon

-Dillon's Rolling Western is one of the bigger new franchise released lately on the 3DS. Dillon would be a newer style and this could be their way of pushing the series more.-

Being the second biggest new IP of Nintendo's with a clear main character out of FOUR isn't a huge accomplishment, especially since the only one that actually found notable success seems to be Pushmo. Dillon's games are mediocre, his popularity is overstated, his chances are overrated, and all people seem capable of bringing up is "eShop representative", a category which... Sakurai won't likely try to fill. And even if he did... it's an eShop, it's not a huge deal or something that needs a character to represent it, something like a Pushmo stage, or Dillon and/or Tempo ATs, hell even just trophies, is decent enough. Also Sakurai doesn't include characters to help their series, he does once he feels the character/series merits inclusion.

Also, you have five misc. new series reps. That's pretty darn unlikely.

Wii Series

51. Mii

-Miis were a big addition to the Wii and they are still around for the Wii U and 3DS. The Wii _____ Series games were pretty popular and you can easily draw stuff from those games for a moveset. From the likes of rollinjg a bowling ball and swinging a golf club to throwing stones and using karate.'

Oh, I thought you were done with new series. I guess not.
You are aware that you have... 10 new series, right? That's... just not going to happen. Brawl had six, and Sakurai is narrowing down the amount of characters added. You might think the more series the better, but consider the expanded effort needed to include a new series in Smash when compared to another rep from an existing series. There's a reason none of the Forbidden 7, or the characters that likely just made the game (TL, Jiggz, Wolf) are from a new series, they're significantly more time-expending to include. Sakurai isn't likely to load up on them, almost double what he had in Brawl.

A 50 character roster plus the Mii
21 and a half newcomers

"21 1/2?"

"Yeah, I never said it's a guarantee, but you can't prove it won't happen"

"Sakurai isn't going to add as many characters as in Brawl, he practically said it"

"Yeah but it could happen"

"But it won't"

"Well, it's just a possibility anyway"
*wrestling gif*

....

Reasons for Removals:

Red - Despite his popularity, he doesn't really rep much of the latest Pokemon games (outside of being a boss battle). There are also other popular trainers and using one of them could help represent a different gen. Not that he is a bad choice but I don't feel we need an overabundance of Gen 1. Mewtwo at least makes sense because of his new form for Gen 6.

Pokemon Trainer didn't much rep the latest games when he was included last time either, did he? That's obviously not his point. You are aware no one is suggesting more Gen 1s than Sakurai already planned for Brawl, right? And no other Pokemon trainer, and especially no other Pokemon trainer's Pokemon are as popular as Red.

Lucario - I feel that because of the Gen 2 Remakes, 5th Gen, and the upcoming 6th Gen the "need" for a 4th Gen (Sinnoh) is a little less now. Mewtwo was passed over for Lucario, so his spot is not really set in stone. The inclusion of Gold also reps the latest form of 4th Gen (the Johto remakes).

Sakurai doesn't add Pokemon to rep a "Gen". Why do you think he added another first gen (three, actually) over a 3rd gen in Brawl? HE DOESN'T CARE. Lucario is more popular than any of those other possibilities you listed, plus he'd be much easier to bring back than to implement a new character.

Ike - He was still prominent in Radiant Dawn, as well as being Awakening DLC, but the same things applies to Micaiah. It is more of cutting down on the blue haired sword user and trying to diversify this roster as much as possible (which it needs). Having Marth, Ike, and Chrom altogether would be having a roster that is a little too similar, since Chrom is basically a mix of both of them.

You're trying to cut down on blue haired swordsmen, but added Chrom to replace Ike? By your logic, WHY NOT JUST KEEP IKE?
Oh yeah, because Micaiah. You know the difference? Ike is an existing Smash character, has a helluva lot more popularity, but more importantly, a game as old as RD in a series like FE isn't going to replace it's representation with a different character!

But yeah, debating Micaiah with DSN. Might as well go find a wall to hit my head against.

Snake - Konami doesn't appear to be supporting Nintendo much, at least not yet, and that especially applies to Metal Gear Solid. It at least made some sense in Brawl because of Twin Snakes. If Konami does indeed stay around with a rep, a Castlevania one would make a bit more sense. The series started with Nintendo and has has quite the name for itself on the Wii, DS, and 3DS.

Konami is supporting Nintendo as much as they did last time Snake was included. MGS has appeared on Nintendo systems since Brawl, and if that rumor is anything to go by (its so far proven to be correct), we'll still see more MGS support on Nintendo systems. And the only reason Konami even got a rep is because of Kojima. It's not like they sat down to choose the best Konami character for Smash, it was Snake or no one. I agree, Castlevania would fit more, but at this point, that's likely not gonna happen. Snake was a popular character, Sakurai thinks highly of him, Kojima and Sakurai still seem to be friends, MGS is still on Nintendo systems, there is... no reason really why Snake would leave, especially if you're keeping Sonic.

Well. Now I expect the reply of "well, it could happen", which pretty much amounts to not only ignoring my points, but just logic in general. Oh well.
Be prepared for disappointment in the actual roster DSN, but I will say that your picks have gotten *slightly* better. If you take anything away from my points, it's 1) drop Micaiah 2) cut down on new series 3) drop Micaiah, 4) consider adding back your cut characters, they make more sense than who you replaced them with and 5) drop Micaiah.

 

[FalKoopa]

I usually ignore DSN for the very reasons N3ON stated. lol.

 

[Deleted member]

Predictions as a whole are simply pointless.

In a way, this is true. The more I think about it, the more I think my prediction roster is more of a realistic preference for me, not exactly what I think would be in the roster. For one, I am having increasing doubts about Snake after reading SmashChu's part on third-parties. While I don't agree entirely with what SmashChu has to say in regards to third-parties, I'm getting the feeling that Sakurai may deem Snake to be stale and cut him (which I wouldn't want to happen since I really liked playing as him and would like him back, though I'd understand if he didn't return).

 

[MagnesD3]

Updated roster with reasons

Reasons

Bowser Jr./Shadow Mario: Jr. is now an integral part of super mario franchise and is now considered a main antagonist, he has pretty much been one since sunshine so I think he finally deserves his spot in the sun, he will also be the mario franchises only MAIN addition.

King Boo: Since King Boo has consistently been luigi's villian in the luigis mansion games I think he deserves a spot, also gives luigi more recognition as his own character (this is the year of luigi after all.)

Waluigi: he is warios brother (technically not confirmed but hopefully will be) and more importantly luigis rival, he is the only shadow of a shadow, he was popular enough to warrant an assist trophy for brawl and would be a very entertaining/troll character, its almost a bonus that he doesnt even have his own game yet because it makes him even more pathetic lol.

Paper Mario: He is the main character of his unrepresented franchise with plenty of game entrants, he would bring a unique playstyle to the table, and is very popular.

Geno: The most popular of the mario rpg characters, he would be the first of two characters from the beloved super mario rpg games, he is iconic to that game and would deliver an interesting moveset as well as rep everyone's favorite classic. (character model would be redesigned similar to pits.)

Mallow: He is alot less popular than geno of the smrpg characters but I feel they should come as a package, geno and mallow feel inseparable as characters and I feel if square were to allow one then the other would follow, he would also have a great move set as well. (character model would be redesigned similar to pits.)

Mewtwo: One of the most wanted characters for ssb and a oddly cut veteran, he is iconic as hell and can offer a great moveset (but it needs to be reworked from melee), he is also relevant as he is receiving an apparently new form, this form I would also like incorporate into the game possibly through a set condition mid battle (not an item like the smash ball) this would be up to sakurai but I think it is very important that BOTH forms of mewtwo are included. (the transformation counts as the 6th generation rep).

Blue: The Ideal of the pokemon trainer (or red) that sakurai came up with was a great ideal to represent other less iconic pokemon, the trainer options allows you to represent different pokemon generations and types, blue is the second most iconic trainer to the pokemon franchise so I found him to be naturally the second pokemon trainer, his 3 pokemon need to consist of a 2nd gen, 3rd gen, and 5th gen pokemon, and 3 different types not used in the game (ex. Ice, Dark, poison), this trainer would help further represent the entire pokemon franchise as a whole.

Skull Kid: He is the main antagonist of the Majoras Mask game, he is pretty popular and would help represent this zelda game, (zelda games as a whole are being represented in this game) he offers a unique moveset (possibly vega mask fall of style?) that would further show of how important the zelda franchise is.

Ghirahim: He is undoubtedly the most popular skyward sword character and is a character that could possibly return later to the series, he is the spirit inside the almight demises sword and battles you several times throughout skyward sword with a plethora of different attacks, he is almost a shoe in.

Demise: He is the next most important zelda character in the franchise next to link, zelda and ganon, he is the reason for the zelda series to exist and is extremely cool, he sword/lightning/ghirahim wielding makes for a perfect character addition, expect this character to appear again in the franchise.

Midna (and wolf link but the announcer will just say midna): She is the most iconic character from twilight princess, she is ruler of the twilight zone and would have a unique moveset while riding on wolf link, she is almost as popular as skull kid and is another great way represent the zelda franchise as a whole.

Issac: He is very popular and would represent the golden sun franchise which currently has no reps, he was an assist trophy in brawl and would offer an interesting psy/earthy moveset, no one should object his addition.

Palutena: The leader of pit who has been recently popularized thanks to the new Kid Icarus game would be a great way to further represent the growing franchise.

Shulk: The main character of the new and highly sought after xenoblade franchise, he has grown in popularity thanks to xenoblade being finally ported and would be the first rep in a good new franchise.

Diddy and Dixie: Dixie is extremely iconic and very popular thanks to the dkc games, she is most known for teaming up with diddy in dkc2 and thats what she would be doing in this game, the bannana move from diddy kong is now given to dixie but replaced with the classic Switch Clap so you can tag in Diddy or Dixie depending who you are, this would satisfy dixie fans while staying true to her character.

King K. Rool: An Extremely popular character, the main villian of the dkc franchise and hes a freaking king crocadile, not much needs to be said he is the obvious next choice for a donkey kong representative and it wouldnt be surprising to see him appear in dkcr2.

Jill: A character popular enough to get her own assist trophy and is from franchise drill dozer (a game that was made from the creators of pokemon) that has no representative what so ever, she would rep a great virtually underrated nintendo Ip while offering an interesting drill moveset, (heck the game might even get a sequel due to her inclusion.)

Starfy: Another character that was popular enough to get an assist trophy, is the main character from an un repped good nintendo franchise, possibly could be used as a marketing tool to allow ports of the older starfy games to come over.

Dark Samus: A pretty popular metroid character from the metroid prime series, and is basically the main antagonist of the prime series, she would be designed by using in game moves to make sure she was not a clone.

Ridley: The most or second most popular character to be included, the main antagonist of metroid as a whole, was a boss in brawl, is a kickass space dragon thing.

Saki: The main character of the original sin and punishment franchise as well as isa's father, was popular enough to become an assist trophy, is very popular in japan, and would represent an unsung great nintendo franchise.

Tom Nook: He is the most iconic character of the animal crossing franchise and is the best to represent an extremely popular unrepresented franchise.

Ray: Was popular enough to get his own assist trophy, really popular in japan, is currently the most iconic character in the custom robo franchise, and would represent another great unsung nintendo franchise.

Krystal: A popular character who is the main protagonists love interest, she had a game that centered around saving her, she is a telepathic, she also has a really awesome staff that leads to a great movelist overall and is the optimal next star fox character choice.

Lyn: A popular fire emblem character that was deemed worthy enough to get an assist trophy, she is the main antagonist from the first american release for the fire emblem series, she kicks butt and thats about it.

Roy: Another very popular fire emblem character who is a cut veteran, he has also been included in the new fire emblem game (i believe dlc), his moveset would be entirely reworked to unclone him.

Takamaru: My first retro choice who has sprung up in popularity recently (maybe due to nintendo land), popular in japan, would help close out the retro section.

Porky: The main antagonist of the mother series and was a boss battle in ssb, he moves in a spiderlike robot so expect his moveset to be extremely unique, his theme is dope.

Little Mac: A very popular ex retro character who would represent the great punch out series, so popular he got his own assist trophy, would be the most normal character in the game.

Balloon Fighter: My second retro choice to represent the old balloon fighter game, his floating gamestyle would be very interesting, im sure his moveset would be very creative. (also known through nintendo land like takamaru).

Samurai Goroh: Finally a second rep for the F Zero franchise, he is captain falcons rival, he was popular enough to get an assist trophy.

Black Shadow: The main antagonist of Captain Falcon and the F zero franchise, he is also pretty popular and leaves room for a moveset that can be played around with (similar to how the captain was).

Megaman: The most popular 3rd party character that has not been included, the nes was megamans original home and what he is known for best, capcom has had a great relationship with nintendo over the years, its around his 25th anniversary.

Pac-Man: The most iconic character for namco, namco is working on ssb4 with sakurai.

Rayman: Ubisoft has had a great relationship with nintendo and the optimal version of rayman legends is coming out for wii U.

Sora: He has several games on nintendo platforms, Is currently squares most iconic figure (after cloud/sephi), and would come as a bundle deal along with Geno and Mallow.


Current Veterans to get extreme reworkings are (Lucario, Falco, Toon Link, Ganondorf, Lucas)

 

[FalKoopa]

Updated roster with reasons

Spoiler

Dat roster. Do want.

Too bad it's extremely unlikely that we will get all of them.

 

[MagnesD3]

Dat roster. Do want.

Too bad it's extremely unlikely that we will get all of them.

http://www.youtube.com/embed/wXe-5mUeLC8?feature=player_detailpage

 

[Frostwraith]

Yep, that roster would please quite a good amount of people, but with a total of 71 characters, it's safe to assume it's an impossibility.

 

[MagnesD3]

Yep, that roster would please quite a good amount of people, but with a total of 71 characters, it's safe to assume it's an impossibility.

My hope is this happens by ssb6

79-80 if you count all of them...

 

[TheLastJinjo]

No, it's called disagreeing. If you think Fruit Loops are made of rainbows and I don't, I'm disagreeing with you.

Anyhow, you do realize that we've never claimed Ninten was impossible, right? We just gave our reason for thinking he's very unlikely (granted that we could have done so in a more mature manner) in an effort to try to convince you, too.

Again, people on smashboards try to prove their opinion by saying "No we are" or simply lying. Also your analogy implies that what I said is something that is factually untrue. You are totally exxagerrating AGAIN. Which is why I am being more mature than anybody on here.

 

[AEMehr]

Again, people on smashboards try to prove their opinion by saying "No we are" or simply lying. Also your analogy implies that what I said is something that is factually untrue. You are totally exxagerrating AGAIN. Which is why I am being more mature than anybody on here.

Claiming you are being mature is an immature thing to do.

Just pointing that out.

 

[HylianHeroBigBoss]

Again, people on smashboards try to prove their opinion by saying "No we are" or simply lying. Also your analogy implies that what I said is something that is factually untrue. You are totally exxagerrating AGAIN. Which is why I am being more mature than anybody on here.

But multiple people proved you wrong a few times, one example was about monolift soft being owned by nintendo and you just said its done moving on or didnt even address it after that.

 

[8-peacock-8]

Noah still being a pest I see.

I also like how he says he's mature. The guy has outright attacked people on YouTube who didn't agree with him.

EDIT: anyway, he needs to try and listen to people instead of avoiding the arguments.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Noah. I'd like you address the post I made earlier.

Especially those accusations of lying. That's a big accusation.

 

[MagnesD3]

Updated the character screen picture to make it look better.

 

[Banjodorf]

On the topic of inactive mods, Habanero should apply for the post of a mod. I'm serious.

Totally. I'd vote for him. Hell yeah.

And I love the roster up there. Not a thing I'd do differently, aside from swap Lloyd for Layton, but I think things could go either way at this point. So pay that no mind.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Habanero and Kuma would both make good mods in my opinion.

Either way, what do you think about DLC characters? Who would you choose?

 

[Banjodorf]

My DLC picks:

Dixie
Layton
Ghirahim

That's all I've got for right now. Maybe a clone of someone else?

 

[TKactual]

The return of TK, so what I miss my buds. I had to take a break from this place for awhile.

 

[FlareHabanero]

The position of modding will have to come from official staff approving the idea, otherwise it's never going to happen. Such a task is not as straight forward as people thing, it requires dedication and knowledge. But more people on the job is going to be desperately needed once E3 rolls around.

 

[FalKoopa]

The return of TK, so what I miss my buds. I had to take a break from this place for awhile.

Hey, welcome back!

Too much has happened since you visited last time. Enough to fill a whole thread; probably more.

 

[TKactual]

Hey, welcome back!

Too much has happened since you visited last time. Enough to fill a whole thread; probably more.

Yeah I saw that the old thread closed, Guess I was gone awhile. lol Thought I should come back before E3 came along.

 

[N3ON]

Plus if Habanero was a mod, he'd have to be more neutral and less negative. What a shame that'd be.

The return of TK, so what I miss my buds. I had to take a break from this place for awhile.

Buncha dumb rumors mostly, none of which are likely to be true. Other than than... pretty much just off-topic-ness.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

TK! Welcome back buddy!

 

[FalKoopa]

If Habanero became a mod, I'd be mostly worried about the fate of the Chrom and Lucina threads.

 

[FlareHabanero]

If Habanero became a mod, I'd be mostly worried about the fate of the Chrom and Lucina threads.

Only if the thread in question were drowning in a boatload of bullcrap or if it was a duplicate thread. Simply exterminating threads due to bias is not a smart idea.

Plus if Habanero was a mod, he'd have to be more neutral and less negative. What a shame that'd be.

You say that like it's a bad thing.

Also, let's move this discussion somewhere else before you-know-who gets all pissed.

 

[BKupa666]

Coming into this thread after a brief hiatus and seeing all the craziness that went down makes me feel like Plankton in that one Spongebob episode with the shrinking belt, where he comes back from vacation and just stares at the miniature town in shock. "Huh?!"

 

[TheLastJinjo]

But multiple people proved you wrong a few times, one example was about monolift soft being owned by nintendo and you just said its done moving on or didnt even address it after that.

I never said it wasn't OWNED by Nintendo. I said "Xenoblade is a Nintendo game, NOT a Nintendo franchise." And that doesn't mean Nintendo doesn't own rights to Shulk, it's the same situation as Banjo on N64, so yeah Shulk COULD be in SSB. But, it's very unlikely. But I guess if a majority of like 5 people on this ONE forum DISAGREE. That is proving an opinion wrong. Which doesn't make sense because saying shulk s unlikely for SSB is an opinion.

 

[FlareHabanero]

The situations regarding to Shulk and Banjo are not the same thing.

 

[N3ON]

Nintendo owns Monolith 100%. Any new IP Monolith makes as a fully-owned subsidiary of Nintendo, Nintendo owns. Shulk is a Nintendo character, Xenoblade is a Nintendo series. I was going to say in the same way Pikachu is a Nintendo character, but Nintendo doesn't even own all of Pokemon, so Shulk is more of a Nintendo character than existing Smash Bros characters (not that being 1st or 2nd party likely affects chances, despite what some say). It's the same situation as Kirby, he's owned by HAL, who are owned by Nintendo, therefore making Kirby owned by Nintendo.

Rare was never fully owned by Nintendo. Nintendo did own rights to the B&K IP, but clearly Rare did too, so they managed to take it with them. Shulk and Banjo were never in the same situation.

 

[TKactual]

The situations regarding to Shulk and Banjo are not the same thing.

Listen to the Batosi, Kenshin Himura, just noticed the picture Habanero.

 

[Banjodorf]

Only if the thread in question were drowning in a boatload of bullcrap or if it was a duplicate thread. Simply exterminating threads due to bias is not a smart idea.

I know ya wanna move the discussion elsewhere, but that above line is exactly how a good mod looks at things. Aww yeah.

But yeah, it's a bigger process than that. However, I think support has something to do with it, for sure.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Believe it or not this undoubtedly IS the most hypocritical forum in the history of the internet.

Reasons:

1. Criticize Noah for doing everything YOU are doing, including being rude, being childish, avoiding the subject because you are losing a "debate", and stating that if people don't agree with you that their opinion is FACT. (EX: "It's obvious we proved this guy wrong about Ninten being not even close to Dark Samus.")

2. Claim Dark Samus is okay when Ninten is not. (EXTREMELY HYPOCRITICAL)

3. Troll somebody who's not trolling and then call them a troll for not responding nice to a troll comment.

If you disagree go ahead. But, people on here ARE hypocrites. Deny it all you want. There's really no getting around that. Someone being a hypocrite isn't really an opinion. If you criticize somebody for something there is evidence of you doing, then you are a hypocrite

Next Person: "You just don't like people disagreeing with you"

Me: "No, I don't like people ignoring my back up statements, lying,saying they "Proved you wrong" about an OPINION, trolling, and then CLAIMING that they are just "Disagreeing with you"

Why am I one of the only people on this thread who knows how to properly debate.

Watch next person is gonna deny this when for once there is evidence about something.

 

[TKactual]

Believe it or not this undoubtedly IS the most hypocritical forum in the history of the internet.

Reasons:

1. Criticize Noah for doing everything YOU are doing, including being rude, being childish, avoiding the subject because you are losing a "debate", and stating that if people don't agree with you that their opinion is FACT. (EX: "It's obvious we proved this guy wrong about Ninten being not even close to Dark Samus.")

2. Claim Dark Samus is okay when Ninten is not. (EXTREMELY HYPOCRITICAL)

3. Troll somebody who's not trolling and then call them a troll for not responding nice to a troll comment.

If you disagree go ahead. But, people on here ARE hypocrites. Deny it all you want. There's really no getting around that. Someone being a hypocrite isn't really an opinion. If you criticize somebody for something there is evidence of you doing, then you are a hypocrite

Next Person: "You just don't like people disagreeing with you"

Me: "No, I don't like people ignoring my back up statements, lying,saying they "Proved you wrong" about an OPINION, trolling, and then CLAIMING that they are just "Disagreeing with you"

Why am I one of the only people on this thread who knows how to properly debate.

Watch next person is gonna deny this when for once there is evidence about something.

Pizza!

 

[Autumn ♫]

Can anybody tell me how to use spoiler tabs because I want to show you my newest roster but I don't want it to take up alot of the page.

 

[FalKoopa]

So here we go again.

Will dis gon b as gud as last time?

 

[Frostwraith]

So here we go again.

Will dis gon b as gud as last time?

Moi.

 

[Curious Villager]

Eeeeh, I want to say something but I guess I'd better not...

Can we talk about something else now? :/

 

[FlareHabanero]

Can anybody tell me how to use spoiler tabs because I want to show you my newest roster but I don't want it to take up alot of the page.

Without the spaces, type this.

[ collapse]blah[ /collapse]

If done right, it should look like this.

Spoiler

blah