Roster Prediction Discussion Thread

[Opossum]

Yeah, If I were you I'd ignore be before the Nintendo Direct plays. I've got something special when my reps are revealed.

Just a quick question. Which ones do you consider to be "your reps?"

 

[8-peacock-8]

Noah is an idiot. Plain and simple. Why are people still giving him a chance?

 

[josh bones]

Noah is an idiot. Plain and simple. Why are people still giving him a chance?

Because we have nothing better to do.

 

[zauberdragon]

Yeah it's gone from funny to just aggregating. What was it we were meant to be talking about- Mario/Zelda reps?

 

[8-peacock-8]

Yeah it's gone from funny to just aggregating. What was it we were meant to be talking about- Mario/Zelda reps?

Yes. We were talking about Mario and Zelda reps before people decided to talk to that thing again.

 

[N3ON]

Yes, I see where you're coming from. I think it mainly stems from me thinking I found the right thing, but in reality, did not. I thought it was a case of fan mistranslation, but in the end, I looked in the wrong magazine.

I've actually been coming to the conclusion that I'm losing quite a bit of faith in Starfy's chances, myself. It mainly came down to me trying to find some contradictory evidence that clearly wasn't there, but yeah. I'm sort of coming to that realization. It's a shame, though, but life moves on.

That being said, I still support the hell out of him, I just may keep him off my prediction rosters soon if the outlook doesn't start changing for him.

Yeah, it is a shame, and unlike AC or Nintendogs, I can't quite understand why Starfy wouldn't seem like a suitable fighter to Sakurai. Perhaps he attempted to include him, but couldn't get it how he wanted? Who knows, there are a lot of theories that could tie into this. It could even be because Sakurai does have a bias against Starfy, but I doubt that, Sakurai doesn't seem that petty (but then again Miyamoto was pretty petty about the DKC series).

In any case, hopefully Sakurai looks at Starfy again one day, and now he's definitely more "warranted" with an international release, a decently-received one at that, but his lack of recent games also hurt him quite a bit imo. My advice is that at this point he's better suited for a wishlist roster, but if he eventually actually manages to show up playable, then great! It'll come as a nice surprise.

Just as a quick tip: it really does take a lot for me to get angry. In all actuality, I think I've gotten angrily hostile on this board all of...one time.

Haha yeah, you don't seem to be a very angry person, which is good, I'm not either. I don't think I've ever become legitimately angered by anything on this board, not even writing paragraph after paragraph disagreeing with SmashChu only to leave no impact. You need a lot of patience to stay on here sometimes it seems, case in point... right now.

Oh, and good job with that response to DSN. Although, it's sort of wishful thinking to think he'd listen to any of it.

If he takes even one of my points to heart and perhaps thinks a little differently, I will classify it as a success. However, I doubt that. Tbh I don't really see a reaction other than the one I anticipated.

 

[josh bones]

Back on topic, Paper Mario should get in for Mario. I got nothing for Zelda

 

[G0LD3N L0TUS]

Noah is an idiot. Plain and simple. Why are people still giving him a chance?

Because we've never actually stopped to hear his idea in full. If he explains how he thinks SSB works and we simply disagree, he can't come back from that as there's no guarantee on anything anywhere outside of the developers. If you gets mad because we disagree, he'll have contradicted himself and we'll all move on without regrets.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

Alright, well here is the rant I promised earlier. This is basically my view on the Smash roster, as opposed to "other" ideas...There was originally more to it, but I cut some of it out.



Let's consider what makes Smash Bros., Smash Bros.

1) It's a mashup of all of Nintendo's "All Star" characters.
2) It has thus far promoted almost every well known Nintendo character into the roster, meaning no extremely obscure characters such as KOS-MOS or something.
3) It is a celebration of Nintendo's history.

So this is what I take from this. A lot of users, such as Noah, no matter their age, believe that their "great character ideas" are the best. Great enough that they consider them guaranteed. It is a case of people in denial that their ideas aren't going to happen, and they think that because it is what they want, it is guaranteed to be in.

I lucked out this time. Almost all of the characters I want are pretty good selections. Ridley, K.Rool, Mewtwo, Roy, Chrom, Palutena, Shulk, etc... are all pretty good picks. But compared to people who clearly don't understand the purpose of the game and suggest characters like:

Geno
KOS-MOS
Insert random Fire Emblem character

The game isn't meant for that. It is meant to celebrate the history of Nintendo, and maybe even gaming as a whole. Popularity is huge. HUGE. If you don't have the popularity, you aren't an all-star. For example, take the NHL All-Star games. Basically, the superstar players are drafted to each team. Do you ever see a third line "tough guy" player in the lineup? No. Because they didn't get enough votes, and will likely not earn the title of All-Star.

Another off branching example. Not sure that you know much about hockey, but let me throw some names at you. When you think about the NHL, you probably would think of names like Sidney Crosby, Alexander Ovechkin, Steven Stamkos, Ryan Miller, Patrick Roy, Wayne Gretzky, etc... These are All-Stars of the sport.

Much like this example, when you think of Nintendo, who do you think of? Mario, Link, Samus, Pikachu, Yoshi, Kirby, etc... Then, because this is where it differs, you think of the "next best players" so to speak. In this case, who is Metroid's second best player? That would be Ridley. See what I mean?

Basically, the newcomers, like Shulk, would be comparable to an up and coming star making his debut, and rising through the ranks in his league.

/rant. Sorry for going off on a tangent. But I feel like a LOT of people don't understand. It just kind of kept coming to my mind.

Your thoughts?

 

[MagnesD3]

Bowser jr and ghirahim are basically confirmed even though I'd rather have better Zelda characters before him, but he is too popular.

 

[FalKoopa]

Bowser jr and ghirahim are basically confirmed even though I'd rather have better Zelda characters before him, but he is too popular.

Not sure if sarcastic. Ghirahim is far from confirmed.

 

[zauberdragon]

Personally I'm not sure either series desperately needs a new rep but on my roster prediction I chose Bowser Jr and Tetra as my personally picks.

Bowser Jr I picked as he's a villain who could have a interesting moveset. He's one of the few Mario reps who isn't generic. By that I mean there's plenty of Toads and Koopas etc but only one Bowser Jr. Not that that bars entry from smash, you could say the same for Yoshi but most the smash characters are individuals. Waluigi is probably the 2nd most likely but I think assist trophy suits him well. He's only been in spin-offs, unlike Bowser Jr who's become something of a major villain since Sunshine.

As for Zelda I really don't see the need for a new rep as I think the 4 in Brawl cover most the bases. I added Tetra as Toon Zelda was nearly in Brawl. I think Tetra is more unique and could be a transformation if Toon Zelda is included. Toon link felt tacked on and apart from a beautiful stage the toon series felt inferior to the 'main' series. Tetra would give a bit more balance and with Wind Waker making a comeback would be good advertising.

Once again I feel new characters should come overwhelmingly from new and less well represented franchises.

 

[FlareHabanero]

Technically speaking no character is confirmed.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

I think Jr. and Toad have the best shot as Mario newcomers.

I don't think we'll get any Zelda newcomers this time around. I honestly don't know who it would be.

 

[8-peacock-8]

Wait for Sakurai to confirm Tingle.

 

[G0LD3N L0TUS]

I think Jr. and Toad have the best shot as Mario newcomers.

I don't think we'll get any Zelda newcomers this time around. I honestly don't know who it would be.

I personally think Impa would be the best new Zelda rep. T.Zelda/Tetra works too.

With Mario, I personally think Paper Mario has the greatest chances as he represents the RPGs while Bowser Jr. and Toad don't really introduce anything new. Just my take, though. Both of those two are still excellent choices.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

Any thoughts on my rant guys? I came up with that comparison and feel that it fits pretty well. I just get sick of seeing plain stupid characters for the roster and felt the need to share it lol.

 

[8-peacock-8]

I think Waluigi could do some good as a playable. He could easily pull off the joke character role a lot better then the Duck Hunt Dog.

 

[_R@bid_]

I'm predicting that neither gets a rep. Both seem like they've been adequately represented already, and any new characters will get completely out shown by them. While want Geno and Impa, neither has much chance.
And I think everyone here should just ignore Noah. If everyone ignores him, then no one will see his idiotic posts and the thread won't be bogged down by stupid arguments.
Plus it's rather funny to think of him posting without anyone reading it. It'd be like he's talking to himself.

 

[FlareHabanero]

Just a quick question. Which ones do you consider to be "your reps?"

Define "your reps". If it's most supported, then it's going to be Takamaru, Palutena, and Dillon at the moment.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

You claim you know how SSB works. Fine, enlighten us. Explain how SSB works in full detail because you somehow know better than us. I'll listen and respond accordingly.

1. Each character must be ABLE to fight, while doing it sufficiently and not look stupid while doing so or result to ALL their attacks involving pulling stuff out of literally nowhere. (Bad EX would be: Tom Nook, Duck Hunt Dog,)
2. It must be a Nintendo character. Third party character slots are exclusive, so they will want to use ones who are popular even TODAY and with a HUGE past, and history with Nintendo. (Good examples: Sonic, Mega Man, Snake, Bomberman, etc.) The only way I see people like Shantae or Pac-Man is if they decide to expand the roster size GREATLY. However they don't want people to forget the soul of SSB.
3. They are suppose to be IMPORTANT characters for each franchise. ( Bad EX would be: Geno, Captain Syrup, Wrinkly Kong, Chancellor Cole)
4. They aren't really gonna put in characters like Blood Falcon, Claus, or Dark Pit when they are so similar to their counterparts even if they do have different moves. So yeah this does imply for Ninten. although he's a different person, different name, and CAN be redesigned differently because he hasn't been used for so long. But, he can also be another costume like the previous examples. So I think Ninten is just more likely by 1% because he is someone else entirely and not an opposite of someone. But, again the same thing I said about the previous examples works for Ninten. So yeah he may NOT be in SSB. (But to say it works for these other characters and not him makes NO sense whatsoever.)

But, will Nintendo just drop ALL this and make a 100 character roster, give into Geno by popular demand, and just add whatever third-party characters they feel like. That IS possible. But, to be so sure about it is biased. So I make a roster under the likely assumption that the rules will stay the same where as some people just never considered them at all. Sakurai CAN change the rules if he pleases. But again you guys are acting like none of them ever applied in the first place.

That's what I was meaning to say.

 

[Deleted member]

So, is this where all the cool kids are hanging out now?

I see we got a new friend to play with... He causing trouble?

 

[TKactual]

It's time for the second TKactual's lucky chance game. Chose a number between 1 and 35. Each number represents a brawl character. Who will you become pick a number and find out. Also I don't know if Zelda will get another rep, but mario for sure.

 

[Neanderthal]

Bowser jr and ghirahim are basically confirmed even though I'd rather have better Zelda characters before him, but he is too popular.

I hate you tell you Magnes but you are going to be one of the ones who are EXTREMELY disappointed when we get the final roster list.
71 characters (EXcluding transformations) as a prediction is just crazy. That's more than double the current roster!!!

Especially when Sakurai said that there will be less newcomers than in past games.
There were 15 newcomers in Brawl. That means if all things go perfectly and we get only 1 less newcomer than previous games (14) and no characters get cut then we will still only get an absolute maximum of 49 characters. Not 71!

I very very much doubt Ghirahim will get in as he's not iconic enough to the Zelda franchise having only appeared in one game. He is lightyears away from being confirmed.
Only way I see it happening is if he's planned to appear in the next Zelda game.
Bowser Jr might have an okay chance but I still wouldn't bet on it.

 

[8-peacock-8]

So, is this where all the cool kids are hanging out now?

I see we got a new friend to play with... He causing trouble?

Just ignore Noah. He's not worth anyone's time.

 

[Frostwraith]

Any thoughts on my rant guys? I came up with that comparison and feel that it fits pretty well. I just get sick of seeing plain stupid characters for the roster and felt the need to share it lol.

You have quite good points which I agree very well with.

That kind of thinking is essential when predicting the roster for Smash. You can't just pick any character: you have to pick recognizable characters, who immediately come to your mind when you think on Nintendo and its series.

There may be exceptions to the rule, such as Roy, who literally debuted in Smash, but overall, that's the general idea behind Smash.

 

[TKactual]

So, is this where all the cool kids are hanging out now?

I see we got a new friend to play with... He causing trouble?

Hey Manly long time no see man.

 

[Deleted member]

Just ignore Noah. He's not worth anyone's time.

Well, it's not like I got the time to argue with idiots these days anymore, I'm just gonna call it a night and go to sleep.

You kids have fun.

EDIT:
Likewise TK, what you been up to bro?

Send me a PM, we'll chat.

 

[TheLastJinjo]

Just a quick question. Which ones do you consider to be "your reps?"

If you mean who I consider likely: Everyone except Muddy, Ridley, and Shulk.

 

[N3ON]

Any thoughts on my rant guys? I came up with that comparison and feel that it fits pretty well. I just get sick of seeing plain stupid characters for the roster and felt the need to share it lol.

I agree with it for the most part, but I feel while popularity is definitely a key factor, it is hardly the only factor. I know you probably know that, but focusing on the other aspects like importance to the series is also worth mentioning, I think. I know you sort of covered that with Ridley, but not all characters can claim they got in because they were "popular picks", so it's probably important to emphasize other aspects as well. Overall though, it's good. Unfortunately I don't think it will convince those silly people who believe their one rarely-brought up character is the best thing since sliced bread. A mix of delusion, bias, and stubbornness is quite deadly.

And you do know KOS-MOS isn't a Nintendo character right? Or were you just using her as a really random example?

 

[TheLastJinjo]

poor guys...

 

[N3ON]

It's time for the second TKactual's lucky chance game. Chose a number between 1 and 35. Each number represents a brawl character. Who will you become pick a number and find out. Also I don't know if Zelda will get another rep, but mario for sure.

14. I think that's what I picked last time. Don't make me Mario again!

 

[Opossum]

If you mean who I consider likely: Everyone except Muddy, Ridley, and Shulk.

Then in that case, if literally everyone but three characters are who you consider "your reps," then that doesn't mean you've proved us "wrong" if "your reps" are shown in the trailer, since pretty much everyone else here enjoys them too, such as Takamaru, K. Rool, Palutena, and Mewtwo, to name a few.


I just want to ask, though. Are those literally the only ones you consider unlikely? Because in all honesty, there are tons of Nintendo characters that are less likely than those three. Just the way I see it.


And I pick number 26.

 

[Deleted member]

Oh yeah, before I got to sleep. I call dibs on Lucky number 7.

 

[MagnesD3]

acr

Alright, well here is the rant I promised earlier. This is basically my view on the Smash roster, as opposed to "other" ideas...There was originally more to it, but I cut some of it out.



Let's consider what makes Smash Bros., Smash Bros.

1) It's a mashup of all of Nintendo's "All Star" characters.
2) It has thus far promoted almost every well known Nintendo character into the roster, meaning no extremely obscure characters such as KOS-MOS or something.
3) It is a celebration of Nintendo's history.

So this is what I take from this. A lot of users, such as Noah, no matter their age, believe that their "great character ideas" are the best. Great enough that they consider them guaranteed. It is a case of people in denial that their ideas aren't going to happen, and they think that because it is what they want, it is guaranteed to be in.

I lucked out this time. Almost all of the characters I want are pretty good selections. Ridley, K.Rool, Mewtwo, Roy, Chrom, Palutena, Shulk, etc... are all pretty good picks. But compared to people who clearly don't understand the purpose of the game and suggest characters like:

Geno
KOS-MOS
Insert random Fire Emblem character

The game isn't meant for that. It is meant to celebrate the history of Nintendo, and maybe even gaming as a whole. Popularity is huge. HUGE. If you don't have the popularity, you aren't an all-star. For example, take the NHL All-Star games. Basically, the superstar players are drafted to each team. Do you ever see a third line "tough guy" player in the lineup? No. Because they didn't get enough votes, and will likely not earn the title of All-Star.

Another off branching example. Not sure that you know much about hockey, but let me throw some names at you. When you think about the NHL, you probably would think of names like Sidney Crosby, Alexander Ovechkin, Steven Stamkos, Ryan Miller, Patrick Roy, Wayne Gretzky, etc... These are All-Stars of the sport.

Much like this example, when you think of Nintendo, who do you think of? Mario, Link, Samus, Pikachu, Yoshi, Kirby, etc... Then, because this is where it differs, you think of the "next best players" so to speak. In this case, who is Metroid's second best player? That would be Ridley. See what I mean?

Basically, the newcomers, like Shulk, would be comparable to an up and coming star making his debut, and rising through the ranks in his league.

/rant. Sorry for going off on a tangent. But I feel like a LOT of people don't understand. It just kind of kept coming to my mind.

Your thoughts?[/quotact



Geno is a good pick though.... He is an all star of smrpg.

 

[G0LD3N L0TUS]

1. Each character must be ABLE to fight, while doing it sufficiently and not look stupid while doing so or result to ALL their attacks involving pulling stuff out of literally nowhere. (Bad EX would be: Tom Nook, Duck Hunt Dog,)
2. It must be a Nintendo character. Third party character slots are exclusive, so they will want to use ones who are popular even TODAY and with a HUGE past, and history with Nintendo. (Good examples: Sonic, Mega Man, Snake, Bomberman, etc.) The only way I see people like Shantae or Pac-Man is if they decide to expand the roster size GREATLY. However they don't want people to forget the soul of SSB.
3. They are suppose to be IMPORTANT characters for each franchise. ( Bad EX would be: Geno, Captain Syrup, Wrinkly Kong, Chancellor Cole)
4. They aren't really gonna put in characters like Blood Falcon, Claus, or Dark Pit when they are so similar to their counterparts even if they do have different moves. So yeah this does imply for Ninten. although he's a different person, different name, and CAN be redesigned differently because he hasn't been used for so long. But, he can also be another costume like the previous examples. So I think Ninten is just more likely by 1% because he is someone else entirely and not an opposite of someone. But, again the same thing I said about the previous examples works for Ninten. So yeah he may NOT be in SSB. (But to say it works for these other characters and not him makes NO sense whatsoever.)

But, will Nintendo just drop ALL this and make a 100 character roster, give into Geno by popular demand, and just add whatever third-party characters they feel like. That IS possible. But, to be so sure about it is biased. So I make a roster under the likely assumption that the rules will stay the same where as some people just never considered them at all. Sakurai CAN change the rules if he pleases. But again you guys are acting like none of them ever applied in the first place.

That's what I was meaning to say.

For the most part, I agree with those rules. i question how Claus is anywhere near similar to either Ness or Lucas though. He has limited PSI capabilities and uses a sword, gun, and lightning elemental abilities (drawn from his sword, I think). Pac-Man I still insist has a good chance too because of his status as an icon and his ties with Nintendo (again, an opinion), but other than that, it sounds reasonable.

I don't think very many of your choices correspond with these rules such as Leaf and Trace, but that's my own opinion and there's no real way to prove one or the other right/wrong. All we know is what WE think is likely, so extensive criticism of characters/people/rosters is pointless.

Oh, and my # is 6.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

I agree with it for the most part, but I feel while popularity is definitely a key factor, it is hardly the only factor. I know you probably know that, but focusing on the other aspects like importance to the series is also worth mentioning, I think. I know you sort of covered that with Ridley, but not all characters can claim they got in because they were "popular picks", so it's probably important to emphasize other aspects as well. Overall though, it's good. Unfortunately I don't think it will convince those silly people who believe their one rarely-brought up character is the best thing since sliced bread. A mix of delusion, bias, and stubbornness is quite deadly.

And you do know KOS-MOS isn't a Nintendo character right? Or were you just using her as a really random example?

I'm using KOS-MOS as one of those really random choices. I agree with you that not everyone gets in based on popularity.

I kind of address G&W, R.O.B, and retros with the whole Wayne Gretzky thing. Maybe they aren't legendary, but they are being revived as something to remember from history.

 

[TKactual]

14. I think that's what I picked last time. Don't make me Mario again!

Lol, of course not. You are no longer an Italian Plumber but the toon version of the other great nintendo character Link. You are Toon Link.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

acr

Yes. But he is NOT a Nintendo All-Star. Especially compared to the many other characters who have far better chances to be picked.

 

[_R@bid_]

It's time for the second TKactual's lucky chance game. Chose a number between 1 and 35. Each number represents a brawl character. Who will you become pick a number and find out. Also I don't know if Zelda will get another rep, but mario for sure.

I call #1.