Roster Prediction Discussion Thread

[Curious Villager]

I'll go for 19 if that hasn't been chosen yet.... :/ Whatever this is all about....

 

[Holder of the Heel]

Well I didn't want to start what I did in the Social thread last week!
But that's me, N3ON: Manipulating people even when they think I'm a guy

Hey, I don't mean post a picture as proof for everyone to ogle over!

Worked for Dazzler.
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I'd still take Neon Man over Sheep Man any day.

Dazzler? I had to look up who that was. XD I had no idea you were so much of a nerd.

Ooooh, and Heels Man! Sounds so threatening! Excuse me while I outrun you.

Come back here evildoer! *clack* *clack* *clack* *clack*

Oh, uh, haha, thanks. Unexpected praise from Heels Man. ^_^
I just try not to sound like a fool when I talk, tends to weaken my point. I suppose it works for some PeePz though.

And ofc, post count is all that matters. That's why we respect Toise so much, because of his post count.

Well of course you sound like a fool, you just sound less like a fool than everyone else. Also, for the love of Sakurai please don't start using the term "PeePz". Plus, it makes me think of these, and I don't know how I feel about that.

And Toise is a bad example because we respect him in a different way, he shows up and acts generally too cool for us and leaves, so we're always left mystified, like we just saw a unicorn. Or at least that's how I've always seen his rare appearances. But now that we've established I have 13 whole posts (now 14) of sheer, unadulterated superiority over you (yep, feels pretty good), I feel a bit less insecure.

Also, now that someone has called me Heels Man, my life is complete, and I might as well go jump in a lake because life will probably just go downhill from here. Goodbye everyone!

Eh... To be honest, I don't find predicting the roster to be all that much fun anymore. I also find it both impossible and pointless since Sakurai is such an unpredictable guy. That's not to say there are some choices that aren't obvious - everyone knows that K. Rool and Ridley will be in (and Megaman if third parties stay), but still.

Yeah, back in the day I went on about characters quite a bit, was the first thing I did when I made this account and was largely why I created it. I just don't have that instinct anymore, I'm too skeptical/nihilistic when it comes to this topic now. Though it isn't entirely useless to talk about, I recognize.

Don't worry I'm back up and ready. It's amazing what sleep does for you. FalKoopa I believe that 8 was Mr. Game and Watch. Congrats you are a 2 dimensional character.

Rude, much?

 

[8-peacock-8]

Rude, much?

The joke went right over your head.

i know it's a joke

 

[Thirdkoopa]

What about me making pretty pictures?

I meant me. I'm TK as well (Thirdkoopa = TK)

 

[Holder of the Heel]

The joke went right over your head.

No no, my joke went over yours.

 

[8-peacock-8]

No no, my joke went over yours.

Probably. I suck with internet jokes.

 

[Thirdkoopa]

I'm not expecting Ridles to be in the trailer at all. Sakurai doesn't seem to be quite as fond of him as we are. He also fits the bill of an unlockable character who are never in trailers save for the Snake exception.

If I was Sakurai and had to choose the Fire Emblem cast I probably would have lost my mind. None of about four of the most prominent options seem to stand out at all.
At this point I wouldn't be disappointed with just Marth and Ike again. Whoever gets in is just going to be a Marth clone anyway.

If I was Sakurai I would probably either troll with character #3 or go with Lucina or a Chrom/Robin duo, frankly.

Or make Miciah a captain falcon clone

 

[G0LD3N L0TUS]

Eh... To be honest, I don't find predicting the roster to be all that much fun anymore. I also find it both impossible and pointless since Sakurai is such an unpredictable guy. That's not to say there are some choices that aren't obvious - everyone knows that K. Rool and Ridley will be in (and Megaman if third parties stay), but still.

I never enjoyed actually trying to predict the roster. Trying to predict it takes away from the game when it does release.

In my case, I know full well my roster is very unlikely. I'm just trying to create a good roster in general. Were you not doing the same?

 

[RavenKingSage]

I never enjoyed actually trying to predict the roster. Trying to predict it takes away from the game when it does release.

In my case, I know full well my roster is very unlikely. I'm just trying to create a good roster in general. Were you not doing the same?

I used to think I was predicting, but honestly, I don't think I was to begin with. Looking back, I thinking I was telling myself that Ephraim was likely just because I thought he was a good choice. When I realized that I do proposals rather than predictions, it became a lot more fun.

 

[G0LD3N L0TUS]

I used to think I was predicting, but honestly, I don't think I was to begin with. Looking back, I thinking I was telling myself that Ephraim was likely just because I thought he was a good choice. When I realized that I do proposals rather than predictions, it became a lot more fun.

I remember making the mistake of predicting, and it became boring very quickly. I like making proposals ad having them critiqued because it shows how my idea will be received by the public if I made the game. I don't like the words "likely" and "unlikely". They mean nothing to me. I care about "good" or "bad" idea, which would mean it either pleases the public or doesn't.

 

[Thirdkoopa]

hi guys

dis good or needs some changes?

 

[TKactual]

Eh. I'll bite. I'll pick number 35 if it hasn't been chosen yet.

Well man you turned out to be Lucas

Also Kikwi-Kiwa its just a fun game of chance. Also 19 is Diddy Kong.

 

[8-peacock-8]

hi guys

dis good or needs some changes?

That looks awesome.

 

[josh bones]

If I'm not too late, I want 9

 

[8-peacock-8]

Greatest roster ever.

 

[AEMehr]

You watch pizzadudemanguy too?

 

[8-peacock-8]

You watch pizzadudemanguy too?

Occasionally.

 

[Autumn ♫]

I used to think I was predicting, but honestly, I don't think I was to begin with. Looking back, I thinking I was telling myself that Ephraim was likely just because I thought he was a good choice. When I realized that I do proposals rather than predictions, it became a lot more fun.

I probably should start doing that more...

 

[Robert of Normandy]

Since there are so many new kids around, and since all the cool kids are doing it I'm gonna go ahead and repost my roster for commentary.

Spoiler

Speaking of rosters, it's crazy going back and reading the first(text-only) roster I posted and seeing how my thoughts on characters have changed.

 

[8-peacock-8]

Since there are so many new kids around, and since all the cool kids are doing it I'm gonna go ahead and repost my roster for commentary.

Spoiler

Would totally play with this roster.

 

[Ultinarok]

I predict:

1. Bowser Jr. (next best Mario rep, increasing prevalence in the franchise, moveset potential, has been in plenty of games now).
2. Paper Mario (representing his OWN series, I think PM should be considered separate from Super Mario, and Paper Mario should obviously represent it, lots of potential here).
3. Isaac (Golden Sun is a popular series, got a new entry a couple of years ago, lots of popular support.)
4. Ridley (obvious, prevalent, popular, Metroid needs a new rep, yeah).
5. K. Rool (popular, villain role for DK series, an excellent and well-liked rep)
6. Mewtwo (has returned to the spotlight, new form and sig move, very very popular and requested, already a veteran).
7. Mega Man (the most desired and one of the most sensible third party characters)
8. Little Mac (retro rep, just got a new game not that long ago, obvious moveset potential just like everyone else on the list).
9. Shulk (Xenoblade rep, new, successful game and a new IP to represent, seems obvious to promote)
10. Palutena (similar reasons to Shulk, plus Sakurai himself has revamped her)
11. Roy (popular demand in Japan, veteran, new fresh appearance in FE: Awakening)
12. Chrom (main character in FE: Awakening, thus Sakurai will probably want to rep the series with the new boy).
13. B. Shadow (F-Zero is kind of outdated, but it has enough games to merit another rep, Sakurai may want Shadow to take Gdorf's moveset if he actually revamps him).
14. Impa/Ghirahim (Impa as a possible replacement for Sheik, Ghirahim for popular demand, both have moveset potential).

That's just my two cents on who seems to have a good shot, or should get in, or however you want to put it.

 

[G0LD3N L0TUS]

1. Smash contradicts "the rules" because Snake & Sonic made it.
2. Wario, doesn't look silly? Mr. G&W? Jigglypuff?
3. Melee had 5 Mario reps.
4. You seem to have added some pretty obscure characters on your list.

I wouldn't say this roster is realistic,nor would I say you need to be defining the rules Smash abides by. Sakurai makes those rules. I at least agree with you on guessing it'll probably be about 50 characters give or take.

Wrong thread. Go to the roster discussion thread. This is purely for display.

 

[Frostwraith]

It's finally time people see the SSB4 roster the way it's suppose to be. This is a REALISTIC Roster that follows the rules of SSB.

1. Must be a Nintendo Character
2. Must be able to fight with a sufficient move set and not look stupid while doing it.
3. 4 characters per universe (CURRENTLY)
4. They must be MAIN characters, not obscure ones (Ex: Geno, C. Syrup, or lie....the Ninten's Dog from Mother 1.
5. Sonic Snake are iconic characters that have a huge history Nintendo. They're appearance does not enable ANYBODY WHO APPEARS ON A NINTENDO CONSOLE, like Dillion and Pushmo.

Alas, Here it is MY SUPER SMASH BROS. UNIVERSE ROSTER. PLEASE COMMENT AND DISCUSS.

1. Sonic and Snake are not Nintendo characters, yet they are in Brawl.

2. There are always creative liberties in making the movesets. Also, I'm sure people may think that Wario and Mr. Game & Watch look stupid fighting when compared to other characters, although more correct words are 'silly' or 'crazy'.

3. That's not a rule, since we had 5 Mario characters in Melee. In fact, the Mario, Zelda and Pokémon series could very well have 5 character slots. (This assumes transforming characters as one.)

4. Again, that's not exactly a rule, but an observation, as many characters in Smash are certainly central to their games or franchises.
I doubt Pikachu, Jigglypuff and Lucario fit in the main character category, since they are just among the many species you can catch and raise in the source series. Pokémon Trainer does fit the bill, though, but the others are popular characters.

5. I'll give you Sonic, since he does have many games on Nintendo consoles and is also famous for once being a rival company mascot to Mario in the 90's. Snake, however, has more history on Sony consoles rather than Nintendo ones. So far, he only had 5 games in Nintendo consoles, of which only two were made by Kojima's team and even so, those are remakes of previously released MGS games.
NES Metal Gear is despised by Kojima for being a bad port and both Snake's Revenge and the GBC Metal Gear Solid (AKA Ghost Babel) are non-canon games where Kojima had no involvement in the development of the games.
On the other hand, we have Metal Gear 2, MGS1, MGS2, MGS3, MGS4, Portable Ops, Metal Gear Rising and other games released after Brawl that weren't released on Nintendo consoles.
As it's known, Snake was added to Brawl because MGS creator Hideo Kojima happens to be a friend of Sakurai and begged for the character to be included in the series.

Dillon and Mallo (Pushmo/Pullblox's main character) are Nintendo characters and fit some of your criteria above, being the protagonists of Dillon's Rolling Western and Pushmo/Pullblox, as well as their sequels. They certainly have a chance to appear in Smash Bros. 4 and could very well have their own unique movesets. Dillon is the more popular of the two.

 

[Bajef8]

You beat me to it, and probably brought up all my comments haha.

#4 yeah, Noah, you definitely added a lot of obscure characters to your list as well.

I really disagree with a lot of your points however I don't think you should be the one to define "the rules" of adding Smash characters. You aren't making the game, Sakurai is. However I do agree with your roster size. That's probably the most realistic thing about your roster. Plus I really want to hear your no Ridley reasoning.

 

[TKactual]

If I'm not too late, I want 9

Shock people with your volt tackle for you are Pikachu.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

You beat me to it, and probably brought up all my comments haha.

#4 yeah, Noah, you definitely added a lot of obscure characters to your list as well.

I really disagree with a lot of your points however I don't think you should be the one to define "the rules" of adding Smash characters. You aren't making the game, Sakurai is. However I do agree with your roster size. That's probably the most realistic thing about your roster. Plus I really want to hear your no Ridley reasoning.

He said Ridley was awkward, though I don't think he ever explained why.

 

[Frostwraith]

For everyone's convenience, here are Sakurai's criteria for character inclusion in Smash:

1. The character's inclusion must make people want to play the game.
2. The character must be unique.
3. The character must fit into the style of Super Smash Bros.
4. They must contribute to the series balance.

If you want to make a realistic roster, you have to consider these four points.

 

[8-peacock-8]

He said Ridley was awkward, though I don't think he ever explained why.

So nothing new? I'm thinking of taking him off Ignore to see if i can try to talk to him again to understand his train of thought.

 

[Bajef8]

Please not the "he's too big" argument...

 

[8-peacock-8]

Please not the "he's too big" argument...

I think it's because he thinks Ridley would just look weird.

 

[Thirdkoopa]

For everyone's convenience, here are Sakurai's criteria for character inclusion in Smash:

1. The character's inclusion must make people want to play the game.
2. The character must be unique.
3. The character must fit into the style of Super Smash Bros.
4. They must contribute to the series balance.

If you want to make a realistic roster, you have to consider these four points.

That's actually not that hard of a criteria to complete. The character's inclusion makes people want to play the game can apply for MANY, being unique isn't hard with a little creativity, the style one most characters can do, and the only "Hard" one is contributing to a series balance, which we already have been proven time and time again that that's not thought about nearly as much as we think it is.

edit: Also proven through Hacks, Ridley can be surprisingly normal. I don't know about you guys, but this seems Smash-y to me: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxVkSaVgm1A It works well overall, and asides from Sukapon, he's probably the only character that has true Programmer vs Artist issues

 

[Bajef8]

That's always countered by the "look at Bowser in Melee" argument though. His only 3D appearances before Melee were Mario 64 (which he looked pretty awkward) and look how he turned out. I mean if you told me Mr. G&W was gonna be in Melee, I would've been like, that's not true, he'd be too awkward. It's really very difficult, if not impossible, to eliminate a character because they'd "look awkward."

 

[Neanderthal]

For everyone's convenience, here are Sakurai's criteria for character inclusion in Smash:

1. The character's inclusion must make people want to play the game.
2. The character must be unique.
3. The character must fit into the style of Super Smash Bros.
4. They must contribute to the series balance.

If you want to make a realistic roster, you have to consider these four points.

Although you have to admit he breaks his own rule with #2 alot with some of the clones. i.e. Dr Mario, Pichu, Falco, Wolf, Roy, Young Link etc.
#3 is pretty subjective too. Many would argue that if Snake or Game & Watch can fit into the style then anyone can.

 

[FlareHabanero]

I believe the criteria of being unique means the character must standout in some fashion, whether from a cosmetic or gameplay standpoint. This is why implementing characters like Lucina might be discouraged in that regard.

 

[FourStar]

Greatest roster ever.

idk whether to SMH or just laugh my ass off

 

[Thirdkoopa]

Although you have to admit he breaks his own rule with #2 alot with some of the clones. i.e. Dr Mario, Pichu, Falco, Wolf, Roy, Young Link etc.
#3 is pretty subjective too. Many would argue that if Snake or Game & Watch can fit into the style then anyone can.

Not really with the clones; they add new aesthetic (...for the most part) and then some more. I guess Melee to an extent, yeah, but they were still interesting there.

I wouldn't say that but I think most characters get an edge passed #3

That's always countered by the "look at Bowser in Melee" argument though. His only 3D appearances before Melee were Mario 64 (which he looked pretty awkward) and look how he turned out. I mean if you told me Mr. G&W was gonna be in Melee, I would've been like, that's not true, he'd be too awkward. It's really very difficult, if not impossible, to eliminate a character because they'd "look awkward."

G&W looks awkward
Characters like Sukapon and Ridley have real Programming vs Artist issues

But hey, we're in the 8th gen of gaming, so anything is possible.

And as for aesthetic and cosmetics, I agree with Hanenbro. A lot of characters don't stick out as much as we wish.

 

[Bajef8]

Not really with the clones; they add new aesthetic (...for the most part) and then some more. I guess Melee to an extent, yeah, but they were still interesting there.

I wouldn't say that but I think most characters get an edge passed #3




G&W looks awkward
Characters like Sukapon and Ridley have real Programming vs Artist issues

But hey, we're in the 8th gen of gaming, so anything is possible.

And as for aesthetic and cosmetics, I agree with Hanenbro. A lot of characters don't stick out as much as we wish.

G&W is awkward to a point where he stick's out very well. Definitely a good call, very unique. And my point being, yes he was awkward, but he fits in the universe now.

 

[MagnesD3]

I predict:

1. Bowser Jr. (next best Mario rep, increasing prevalence in the franchise, moveset potential, has been in plenty of games now).
2. Paper Mario (representing his OWN series, I think PM should be considered separate from Super Mario, and Paper Mario should obviously represent it, lots of potential here).
3. Isaac (Golden Sun is a popular series, got a new entry a couple of years ago, lots of popular support.)
4. Ridley (obvious, prevalent, popular, Metroid needs a new rep, yeah).
5. K. Rool (popular, villain role for DK series, an excellent and well-liked rep)
6. Mewtwo (has returned to the spotlight, new form and sig move, very very popular and requested, already a veteran).
7. Mega Man (the most desired and one of the most sensible third party characters)
8. Little Mac (retro rep, just got a new game not that long ago, obvious moveset potential just like everyone else on the list).
9. Shulk (Xenoblade rep, new, successful game and a new IP to represent, seems obvious to promote)
10. Palutena (similar reasons to Shulk, plus Sakurai himself has revamped her)
11. Roy (popular demand in Japan, veteran, new fresh appearance in FE: Awakening)
12. Chrom (main character in FE: Awakening, thus Sakurai will probably want to rep the series with the new boy).
13. B. Shadow (F-Zero is kind of outdated, but it has enough games to merit another rep, Sakurai may want Shadow to take Gdorf's moveset if he actually revamps him).
14. Impa/Ghirahim (Impa as a possible replacement for Sheik, Ghirahim for popular demand, both have moveset potential).

That's just my two cents on who seems to have a good shot, or should get in, or however you want to put it.

Only one I think will be wrong is the chrom one, i feel lyn will get in before him, but it could go either way i suppose.

 

[Neanderthal]

It's time for the second TKactual's lucky chance game. Chose a number between 1 and 35. Each number represents a brawl character. Who will you become pick a number and find out. Also I don't know if Zelda will get another rep, but mario for sure.

9 if it hasn't been taken.

 

[Bajef8]

I'm still thinking the 3rd FE rep will be Roy. I recall an interview where Sakurai felt he was including too many Eastern favorites, and he wanted to focus on more Western favorites. Roy is a good choice because of 3 reasons.

1) He's obviously popular here now after his Melee debut
2) He's a character who was in a previous Smash (to quote Smashchu, Sakurai doesn't forget)
3) While only a small plus, he's also still an Eastern favorite so Sakurai won't be completely abandoning the East

Lyn isn't out of the realm of possibility and her Western popularity is nothing to scoff at.