Roster Prediction Discussion Thread

[FlareHabanero]

Unlike that other guy, I'm perfectly willing to accept criticisms for the roster. What do you guys think?

God awful, disgusting, vile, repulsive, bullcrap, stupid, ugly, sinful.

2/10 wouldn't bang.

Spoiler

It's fairly meh, but I'm not going to complain about it considering it's your opinion so I can't really egg on it.

 

[MagnesD3]

Act

He is important to the technicalities of the story. But not to the franchise on a whole.

Not sure why there Demise is the only reason Zelda exists. His only link to other games is Ganondorf who himself isn't even in half of the Zelda games.

I'm guessing Skyward is the first Zelda game you played?[/quotAct actually it's my least favorite Zelda I've played(my fav being TP and ocarina followed by ww) so no it's not nastalgic value, I see him as the most logical choice and he is really cool to boot.

 

[Neanderthal]

Act

You really need to fix your quoting. don't cut out the word quote or it looks like we said what you typed.

I don't think there are any obvious Zelda newcomers. I'd be happy just with improvements to the current Zelda cast and leave it at that.

 

[God Robert's Cousin]

It's fairly meh, but I'm not going to complain about it considering it's your opinion so I can't really egg on it.

I'm honestly fine with knowing why. I won't challenge your own differing opinion, I'm just wondering what aspects of it make it seem 'meh'.

 

[MagnesD3]

You really need to fix your quoting. don't cut out the word quote or it looks like we said what you typed.

I don't think there are any obvious Zelda newcomers. I'd be happy just with improvements to the current Zelda cast and leave it at that.

Sry I'm on my mobile..

 

[Thirdkoopa]

So far before adding in characters (I'll give you a bit more of a preview before Smash 4) it looks like this:

Spoiler

How does it look so far?

Gonna make an extra post dedicated to this so we won't get sidetracked with "TK makes pretty pictures"

Asides from something stupid like say "LETS LEVEL THE ZELDA CAST TO MARIO AND POGEYMANZ" I can't think of any reason in the book the Zelda series needs a newcomer. Would be nice to have? Maybe, but every day I'm feeling more and more of it as an off choice. I don't care how relevant they are to the timeline; especially since most of that timeline is "lol ganon revives" and I also don't care for how important they are to one game. Yes we have StarFox, Mother, and FE characters who have been in only one game and we're considering, but the cases on them are completely different.

 

[God Robert's Cousin]

How does it look so far?

It seems... I don't know, kiddish, I guess? That's not a bad thing per say, but I just think that the color scheme might be a little more focused on one color, considering that's just how all the menus have been in Smash Bros. so far. I could definitely see this for the 3DS version's menu though, should you change the 4 different hues into just 2.

 

[Neanderthal]

So far before adding in characters (I'll give you a bit more of a preview before Smash 4) it looks like this:
How does it look so far?

I like it. Very retro. Reminds me of the good ol' 64 selection screen.

 

[Holder of the Heel]

[collapse="Hopefully accurate roster"]

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*looks at roster*

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DUAEAEAUEUAA!!

Kidding, although I'm sure there is a lot here that many would question. For example, Lloyd, Saki, Starfy, Andy, perhaps Claus, especially Dark Samus, and to some Bandana Dee. But like Habanero said, I can't get onto you much because it'd really just be me being opinionated and cutting down more unconventional (relative to what is discussed here) selections.

 

[N3ON]

Thats true, and im not exactly saying demise should be the one they choose, id rather have ghirahim myself but i only brought it up since many say hes in the same boat. But as far as zelda characters go if we go by recurring all we are stuck with is toon zelda, tingle, and impa (i want impa though so id be fine with that). Zelda hasnt gotten any new characters since melee, and id really like to see something different rather than being limited to just that, i know its probably not the most realistic expectation but i think it could have some good results and whoever they choose will definitely have lasting popularity just based on being in smash bros.

I agree, the likely choices aren't the most appealing (though I'd personally be fine with any of those three - even Impa), but what are you gonna do, other Zelda characters are just really unlikely. It's another reason why I would rather see a revamped Ganondorf than get a new Zelda character.

Whoever made this roster did a damn fine job and with a few tweaks here and there is basically identical to my predicted roster.

I think it was N3ON who made it, so well done.

That is my roster, and thanks! ^_^
I worked harder than I needed to on it, and it's gone through many revisions, but this is likely the one I'll be sticking to from now on.

Psh, mine is better. just not as pretty

"Pfft, a pretty roster is much better than a good roster"
- Sakurai

So I made another roster. We clearly have too many already don't have enough of those. It's in the spoiler to help not clutter the page.
[collapse="Hopefully accurate roster"]

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I made sure no series goes beyond 4 characters to help keep scale down, and never added more than one character to a series save for Metroid, which really needs the same treatment Kirby series got in Brawl. Only two more 3rd-party characters, 6 new Nintendo series characters, and 15 new characters altogether (16 if one counts Mewtwo as new). The character selection is 51 characters, being 55-56 characters total when counting alternate forms and transformations. Unlike that other guy, I'm perfectly willing to accept criticisms for the roster. What do you guys think?

Sorry to pivot the subject for those of you still talking about Demise.

Well, it's not horrible by any means, but the number of new series is fairly high, with 8. You also included fairly unlikely characters like Andy and Starfy over Shulk, who probably has one of the better chances for a new series character. Other than that, I'd also remove Claus, another Mother character is pretty unlikely, and Dark Samus is also a bit iffy, unless you imagined her as a semi-clone I suppose. Also, you shouldn't feel the need to limit series at 4, Melee had five Mario reps and Brawl was planning to have 5 again, along with 5 Zelda reps and at least 5 Pokemon reps. Other than that, it's ok.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

Also regarding to the mentality of choosing characters, you have to keep an eye on the 4 criteria.

# 1: The character's inclusion must make people want to play the game.
# 2: The character must be unique.
# 3: The character must fit into the style of Super Smash Bros.
# 4: They must contribute to the series balance.

While the actual meaning might be subjective, it should be explanatory for the most part.

Yes. These are incredibly important. These, paired with what I posted are basically what goes on with the roster.

However, it still does not mean that really obscure characters are going to be chosen simply based off of these criteria. (i'm not directing this at you Habanero, i'm just contributing my two cents to this in general). Otherwise, i'm sure we would have seen far more obscure characters in previous installments. The Brawl roster a it stands is basically the essentials to almost EVERY series. At this point, any character that is EXTREMELY obscure has to deal with a mountain of other characters to be considered.

 

[Holder of the Heel]

"Pfft, a pretty roster is much better than a good roster"
- Sakurai

Wait, whoa.. I never even knew he said that. I apologize N3ON, seriously.

Though it should be noted that Sakurai did state in a recent Iwata Asks interview, and I am paraphrasing here:

Spoiler

Sakurai: "I'm not really sure I should be saying this, but I'm Sakurai, so [laughs]. Holder of the Heel-sama is a poster on a website smashboards, and we diligently monitor everything he says so we can model the new Super Smash Brothers game to match his tastes. For example, we have our top programmers inputting several Ghirahims into the roster this very moment. So I'd advise people to really pay attention to what he says. Oh, oh?"

Iwata: "Someone is coming over and whispering into Sakurai's ear. This is very exciting! I wonder what he is saying?"

Sakurai: "It looks like I'm getting a message right now. Yes... yes... Holder of the Heel-sama has just stated his roster is better than N3ON's. Let's take a look. Oh my, Toon Zelda? No Ghirahim? [laughs] She doesn't even have Paper Mario."

Iwata: [laughs] "N3ON truly doesn't know her Smash, does she?"

Sakurai: [laughs] "Not at all!"

What all of that means I'm not really sure, but we'll probably find out soon.

 

[N3ON]

Wait, whoa.. I never even knew he said that. I apologize N3ON, seriously.

Though it should be noted that Sakurai did state in a recent Iwata Asks interview, and I am paraphrasing here:

Spoiler

Sakurai: "I'm not really sure I should be saying this, but I'm Sakurai, so [laughs]. Holder of the Heel-sama is a poster on a website smashboards, and we diligently monitor everything he says so we can model the new Super Smash Brothers game to match his tastes. For example, we have our top programmers inputting several Ghirahims into the roster this very moment. So I'd advise people to really pay attention to what he says. Oh, oh?"

Iwata: "Someone is coming over and whispering into Sakurai's ear. This is very exciting! I wonder what he is saying?"

Sakurai: "It looks like I'm getting a message right now. Yes... yes... Holder of the Heel-sama has just stated his roster is better than N3ON's. Let's take a look. Oh my, Toon Zelda? No Ghirahim? [laughs] She doesn't even have Paper Mario."

Iwata: [laughs] "N3ON truly doesn't know her Smash, does she?"

Sakurai: [laughs] "Not at all!"

What all of that means I'm not really sure, but we'll probably find out soon.

Yeah, that hit me pretty hard when they said that, I'm not gonna lie. Too bad since I'm an internet speculator with an inflated ego I actually do know better than them about Smash. That's how it works, right?

 

[LevinSword]

Actually, as far as my personal roster goes, take N3ON's and make the following tweaks:

- Toon Zelda/Tetra (I'm actually unsure either way. I guess it's possible due to Wind Waker HD)
- Roy (He can be an alternate costume for Marth or something)
- Lucario (Don't really like him I guess. Mewtwo seems to be making a comeback anyway)
+ Chrom
+ Claus/Masked Man (This is less 'this is going to happen' and more 'I want this to happen')
+ Mii (Some nonsense about character customization in the 3DS version)

It's a smaller roster but it's really quite difficult to figure out who would go in apart from that one, unless Nintendo decided to put someone crazy in like Bayonetta or Ryu Hayabusa (who's already in DoA so that would be even more astonishing)

 

[Banjodorf]

Lucario's about as relevant as Jigglypuff, but I don't want to start any fights here. Relevancy wasn't what cut Mewtwo.

 

[Neanderthal]

Wait, whoa.. I never even knew he said that. I apologize N3ON, seriously.

Though it should be noted that Sakurai did state in a recent Iwata Asks interview, and I am paraphrasing here:

Spoiler

Sakurai: "I'm not really sure I should be saying this, but I'm Sakurai, so [laughs]. Holder of the Heel-sama is a poster on a website smashboards, and we diligently monitor everything he says so we can model the new Super Smash Brothers game to match his tastes. For example, we have our top programmers inputting several Ghirahims into the roster this very moment. So I'd advise people to really pay attention to what he says. Oh, oh?"

Iwata: "Someone is coming over and whispering into Sakurai's ear. This is very exciting! I wonder what he is saying?"

Sakurai: "It looks like I'm getting a message right now. Yes... yes... Holder of the Heel-sama has just stated his roster is better than N3ON's. Let's take a look. Oh my, Toon Zelda? No Ghirahim? [laughs] She doesn't even have Paper Mario."

Iwata: [laughs] "N3ON truly doesn't know her Smash, does she?"

Sakurai: [laughs] "Not at all!"

What all of that means I'm not really sure, but we'll probably find out soon.

I proposed to Neon earlier assuming it's a he. But she's a girl? Ew.

 

[TKactual]

Gonna make an extra post dedicated to this so we won't get sidetracked with "TK makes pretty pictures"

Asides from something stupid like say "LETS LEVEL THE ZELDA CAST TO MARIO AND POGEYMANZ" I can't think of any reason in the book the Zelda series needs a newcomer. Would be nice to have? Maybe, but every day I'm feeling more and more of it as an off choice. I don't care how relevant they are to the timeline; especially since most of that timeline is "lol ganon revives" and I also don't care for how important they are to one game. Yes we have StarFox, Mother, and FE characters who have been in only one game and we're considering, but the cases on them are completely different.

What about me making pretty pictures?

 

[N3ON]

Actually, as far as my personal roster goes, take N3ON's and make the following tweaks:

- Toon Zelda/Tetra (I'm actually unsure either way. I guess it's possible due to Wind Waker HD)
- Roy (He can be an alternate costume for Marth or something)
- Lucario (Don't really like him I guess. Mewtwo seems to be making a comeback anyway)
+ Chrom
+ Claus/Masked Man (This is less 'this is going to happen' and more 'I want this to happen')
+ Mii (Some nonsense about character customization in the 3DS version)

It's a smaller roster but it's really quite difficult to figure out who would go in apart from that one, unless Nintendo decided to put someone crazy in like Bayonetta or Ryu Hayabusa (who's already in DoA so that would be even more astonishing)

I see, well as it's your personal roster, I won't make any criticisms or anything, but as Lucario and Mewtwo were both planned for Brawl, and you're not really replacing Lucario with a new Pokemon, there's no real problem with having both. And yeah, I included Toon Zelda because of Spirit Tracks, the WW remake, and because she was planned for Brawl. I think that gives her the upper hand for Zelda characters.

I proposed to Neon earlier assuming it's a he. But she's a girl? Ew.

Yeah, girls are gross and we all have cooties. That's science. Save yourself the effort and go marry a nice guy.

 

[Holder of the Heel]

Actually, as far as my personal roster goes, take N3ON's and make the following tweaks:

- Toon Zelda/Tetra (I'm actually unsure either way. I guess it's possible due to Wind Waker HD)
- Roy (He can be an alternate costume for Marth or something)
- Lucario (No longer relevant)
+ Chrom
+ Mii (Some nonsense about character customization in the 3DS version)

So basically a substantially different roster? At this point, when we are being predictive, rosters don't differ much more than what you've described because everyone goes with the same typical options. Even in mine I did this as well. But not without a bit of my own personal touches here amd there, within reason.

Yeah, that hit me pretty hard when they said that, I'm not gonna lie. Too bad since I'm an internet speculator with an inflated ego I actually do know better than them about Smash. That's how it works, right?

Wow I didn't think of it that way... Gather around everyone! We have a Smash Oracle among us! Quick everyone, ask her questions!

Tell me... Impa... she's not in is she?

 

[N3ON]

Wow I didn't think of it that way... Gather around everyone! We have a Smash Oracle among us! Quick everyone, ask her questions!

Tell me... Impa... she's not in is she?

Actually Diddy sold his soul to the devil, so expect to see her at the top of all the tiers for Smash 4.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

Seriously though. My head hurts.

Anyway, here's a question. Say Ridley isn't revealed in the initial trailer. Would this mean anything for his chances?

 

[God Robert's Cousin]

Considering he's just about one the most requested characters, I think it pretty much means his chances fall flat entirely, based Sakurai's statements about him during Brawl.

If he isn't in the initial trailer, I think that sky-rockets Dark Samus' chances of being a character, though.

 

[LevinSword]

I see, well as it's your personal roster, I won't make any criticisms or anything, but as Lucario and Mewtwo were both planned for Brawl, and you're not really replacing Lucario with a new Pokemon, there's no real problem with having both. And yeah, I included Toon Zelda because of Spirit Tracks, the WW remake, and because she was planned for Brawl. I think that gives her the upper hand for Zelda characters.

That and it's mostly your roster but fair enough. I forgot that Toon Zelda/Tetra and Mewtwo were in the files.

Out of interest why don't you have Chrom? Don't like him?

So basically a substantially different roster? At this point, when we are being predictive, rosters don't differ much more than what you've described because everyone goes with the same typical options. Even in mine I did this as well. But not without a bit of my own personal touches here amd there, within reason.

Huh. Didn't think of it like that.

I guess if I was being more personal about the roster I'd probably drop Toon Link for Masked Link in order to advertise Majora's Mask 3DS (whenever that comes out).

 

[Holder of the Heel]

I proposed to Neon earlier assuming it's a he. But she's a girl? Ew.

Don't worry, I assumed N3ON was a man when I first met her too. Never forget it. She went by "N3ONK1D" or something and I remember seeing she said something cool and so I called her "N3ONM4N".

She didn't even correct me. >_>

Actually Diddy sold his soul to the devil, so expect to see her at the top of all the tiers for Smash 4.

...A dark shadow is about to loom over the Earth.. I might need to make a fallout shelter.

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But holy crap this post made me laugh for almost a minute Good stuff. [/quote]

Anyway, here's a question. Say Ridley isn't revealed in the initial trailer. Would this mean anything for his chances?

It would mean he wasn't revealed in the initial trailer.

 

[Neanderthal]

I see, well as it's your personal roster, I won't make any criticisms or anything, but as Lucario and Mewtwo were both planned for Brawl, and you're not really replacing Lucario with a new Pokemon, there's no real problem with having both. And yeah, I included Toon Zelda because of Spirit Tracks, the WW remake, and because she was planned for Brawl. I think that gives her the upper hand for Zelda characters.



Yeah, girls are gross and we all have cooties. That's science. Save yourself the effort and go marry a nice guy.

Oh you bet I would, I don't want cooties. Unfortunately we aren't granted those same liberties down here as you are in Canada though.

 

[TKactual]

( TK has nothing to say about the current conversation so he will pretend to sing instead) I wish I had a pizza oh yeah, and a couple of nice big burgers. With some French fries on the side. Falcon Punch!

 

[Holder of the Heel]

( TK has nothing to say about the current conversation so he will pretend to sing instead) I wish I had a pizza oh yeah, and a couple of nice big burgers. With some French fries on the side. Falcon Punch!

Spoiler

Get chance and luck! Don't let me cry! *snaps fingers* Kiss you!

 

[N3ON]

Seriously though. My head hurts.

Anyway, here's a question. Say Ridley isn't revealed in the initial trailer. Would this mean anything for his chances?

Uhh... it might be a bit worrisome, but no, it wouldn't really effect his chances. Especially if someone like K. Rool was in the trailer. Sakurai could always be saving him for an unlockable. Also, sometimes the most requested and characters people generally assume will make it aren't unveiled til sometime after the trailer, like Diddy Kong. The trailer would be a lot less awesome without him though.

Considering he's just about one the most requested characters, I think it pretty much means his chances fall flat entirely, based Sakurai's statements about him during Brawl.

If he isn't in the initial trailer, I think that sky-rockets Dark Samus' chances of being a character, though.

I disagree, for reasons I said above, but just because Ridley wouldn't be included doesn't mean Dark Samus will. It's not like the absence of Ridley suddenly makes Dark Samus gain merit. Ridley didn't make it for Brawl, and Dark Samus existed then and was fairly popular, if she didn't get in then, unless she's made a clone, chances are she won't get in now.

That and it's mostly your roster but fair enough. I forgot that Toon Zelda/Tetra and Mewtwo were in the files.

Out of interest why don't you have Chrom? Don't like him?

Sakurai doesn't just include the most recent character because they are the most recent, he also has to see something in them, something that sets them apart from what already exists in the roster. He didn't choose Ike because Ike was the newest, he chose Ike because after IS suggested it to him, he saw potential for diversity from what already was offered in Smash through FE characters. I don't think he will see the same kind of diversity with Chrom (or Lucina), and that's only if he wanted to prioritize them above the most popular character, which is Roy. Along with his popularity (which is especially strong in Japan - where Sakurai presumably looks closer at FE popularity, due to it being significantly more popular there) he also has been planned twice for inclusion, and as a veteran and a semi-clone, would be fairly easy to implement.

I don't have anything against Chrom, but I think Roy just has more in his favour. Personally though, no, I'm not wild about Chrom, but this isn't a wishlist roster for me, it's a prediction roster, so even if I didn't like him but thought he had the best chance for FE, I'd include him. I'm not wild about Little Mac, K. Rool, Toon Zelda, or Pac-Man either, they wouldn't be on my wishlist roster, but I can't ignore that they have a chance, so I've included them.

Don't worry, I assumed N3ON was a man when I first met her too. Never forget it. She went by "N3ONK1D" or something and I remember seeing she said something cool and so I called her "N3ONM4N".

She didn't even correct me. >_>

I told you that was because N3ONM4N just sounds too epic. I'd love if there was a Neon Man, he'd be my favourite superhero and/or robot master.

 

[Neanderthal]

I'm not expecting Ridles to be in the trailer at all. Sakurai doesn't seem to be quite as fond of him as we are. He also fits the bill of an unlockable character who are never in trailers save for the Snake exception.

If I was Sakurai and had to choose the Fire Emblem cast I probably would have lost my mind. None of about four of the most prominent options seem to stand out at all.
At this point I wouldn't be disappointed with just Marth and Ike again. Whoever gets in is just going to be a Marth clone anyway.

 

[TKactual]

Well guys I'm gonna get some sleep have fun and play nice. Unless the person totally deserves it.

 

[Holder of the Heel]

I told you that was because N3ONM4N just sounds too epic. I'd love if there was a Neon Man, he'd be my favourite superhero and/or robot master.

But you still should have said something in passing! Apparently your manipulating habits aren't exactly a recent development.

And Neon Man sounds like the worst super hero idea ever! What would he do, light up the night with his N3ON suit of justice? Blinding villains, and if he is lucky they'll have epilepsy and his suit of alternating bright lights will subdue them? Mine would even be cooler than that! Holder of... Holder Man... Holder of the Man.. Man of Heels... Heels Man.. HEELS MAN YES! oh god I'm done I need to go to bed

P.S. Looking at your in depth posts is ridiculous, you might be more thought out and well-spoken then any of us in the general discussion thread (setting the bar high on that one).. making us all look like scrubs.. and I have more posts than you.. *sniff* That means I'm superior right?

 

[N3ON]

But you still should have said something in passing! Apparently your manipulating habits aren't exactly a recent development.

Well I didn't want to start what I did in the Social thread last week!
But that's me, N3ON: Manipulating people even when they think I'm a guy

And Neon Man sounds like the worst super hero idea ever! What would he do, light up the night with his N3ON suit of justice? Blinding villains, and if he is lucky they'll have epilepsy and his suit of alternating bright lights will subdue them? Mine would even be cooler than that! Holder of... Holder Man... Holder of the Man.. Man of Heels... Heels Man.. HEELS MAN YES! oh god I'm done I need to go to bed

Worked for Dazzler.
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I'd still take Neon Man over Sheep Man any day.

Ooooh, and Heels Man! Sounds so threatening! Excuse me while I outrun you.

P.S. Looking at your in depth posts is ridiculous, you might be more thought out and well-spoken then any of us in the general discussion thread (setting the bar high on that one).. making us all look like scrubs.. and I have more posts than you.. *sniff* That means I'm superior right?

Oh, uh, haha, thanks. Unexpected praise from Heels Man. ^_^
I just try not to sound like a fool when I talk, tends to weaken my point. I suppose it works for some PeePz though.

And ofc, post count is all that matters. That's why we respect Toise so much, because of his post count.

 

[Deleted member]

Alrighty, Opossum, you are the fat penguin king known as King Dedede. Manly you are my fave character, my main character Ike! And Golden you are a very furry animal who flies in spaceships,you are Fox.

**** Yeah! I get to be Ike.

It's damn fitting, the only way it could be more manly is if I'd gotten Snake, but I''m satisfied.

 

[FalKoopa]

So I'm too late for TK's game.

I'll take 8, and if that's taken, then 24.

 

[8-peacock-8]

Changes:
Bowser Jr. replaced Paper Mario
Toon Zelda/Tetra now added to the Zelda series
Mii's removed
Mach Rider removed. Sadly.
Isa Jo added
Lucina replaced Chrom (I would honestly prefer any other FE rep over Chrom)

 

[RavenKingSage]

Eh... To be honest, I don't find predicting the roster to be all that much fun anymore. I also find it both impossible and pointless since Sakurai is such an unpredictable guy. That's not to say there are some choices that aren't obvious - everyone knows that K. Rool and Ridley will be in (and Megaman if third parties stay), but still.

 

[FalKoopa]

I see Neanderthal is playing it too safe.

But hey, we all are.

He has all bases covered with the honourable mentions and placeholders, so there's literally nothing to complain about.

EDIT: Oh crap, can a mod move this to Roster Discussion thread. My apologies.

 

[Neanderthal]

I see Neanderthal is playing it too safe.

But hey, we all are.

He has all bases covered with the honourable mentions and placeholders, so there's literally nothing to complain about.

That's how I roll

For the record the honourable mentions are 100% excluded from my prediction
And out of the secondary pool of characters I explicitly chose 2 to be in the final thing.
So I do have a definitive 46 man roster in the end. I just made it clear that I'm much less convinced about those final two.

(Better keep talk of these in the discussion thread or M&S will do hurtful things to us again).

 

[TKactual]

So I'm too late for TK's game.

I'll take 8, and if that's taken, then 24.

Don't worry I'm back up and ready. It's amazing what sleep does for you. FalKoopa I believe that 8 was Mr. Game and Watch. Congrats you are a 2 dimensional character.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

Eh. I'll bite. I'll pick number 35 if it hasn't been chosen yet.