Saltus Combo (testers wanted) *please read thread*

[Max Ketchum]

Ironic that this dude's name is saviorslegacy. Lol.

 

[Matt07]

Woow this is an awesome find.

 

[saviorslegacy]

Hey Saviorslegacy, did you get this idea form me in Leaf's thread? ^.^

yes I did



BTW... how is it ironic that my name is saviorslegacy?

 

[salaboB]

@.@ I should've waited a week before posting this that way I knew every single thing about it.

Or at least a bit longer before cross posting it everywhere announcing that it works. Generally a good idea.

 

[Max Ketchum]

'cause people are gonna start looking at you as the savior against MK, and if this **** works, you'll have established a legacy.

 

[Zankoku]

lol, this doesn't make it any easier to actually land the ftilt against Meta Knight. It won't suddenly turn the matchup in Sheik's favor. I'm interested in seeing how many situations it can work in, but it certainly doesn't make Meta Knight any less difficult to connect first hits on.

 

[saviorslegacy]

'cause people are gonna start looking at you as the savior against MK, and if this **** works, you'll have established a legacy.

ah hah I like that.



To salaboB:
I didn't expect so many questions all at once. I was prepared for MK but not Peach, Marth, Bowser or most of everyone else.

 

[saviorslegacy]

lol, this doesn't make it any easier to actually land the ftilt against Meta Knight. It won't suddenly turn the matchup in Sheik's favor. I'm interested in seeing how many situations it can work in, but it certainly doesn't make Meta Knight any less difficult to connect first hits on.

What about Bair to f-tilt as a starter?

 

[salaboB]

To salaboB:
I didn't expect so many questions all at once. I was prepared for MK but not Peach, Marth, Bowser or most of everyone else.

People are just trying to not let MK dominate every new tech that's found

Or more likely, those are their mains and they want to know how much trouble they're gonna be in against Sheik.

"I don't know, why don't you test that" seems like a good response to some of these things. You've certainly provided enough details on how to do it.

 

[Zankoku]

bair doesn't have enough hitstun to true combo into ftilt, unfortunately.

 

[Max Ketchum]

I'll list them again.

Dolphin Slash, Whirling Fortress: Invincibile frame 1
MK uair: Hits on frame 2
MK nair, Peach nair: Hits on frame 3
Air dodge: frame 4

Doesn't look like there's enough time to do any of these things.

 

[napZzz]

this seems really situational. does ftilt even have enough to hitstun to be able to go into the footstool?

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

So frame by frame it should be an infinite?

 

[clowsui]

I'll have a friend test frames on this sometime...(yes Shaya that's you but you don't check Sheik boards =( )

 

[stealth3654]

Or more likely, those are their mains and they want to know how much trouble they're gonna be in against Sheik.

People should always cower in fear when they are up against a Sheik .

 

[Swordplay]

Nice find but I don't think it helps that much. Its just like a jab lock. People will avoid it.

 

[clowsui]

Except that those characters need something stupid to get the jab lock to happen, whereas Sheik can hit a footstool off a hits-on-frame-4/5 move at 37%

 

[saviorslegacy]

Nice find but I don't think it helps that much. Its just like a jab lock. People will avoid it.

People don't avoid the f-tilt in a match for some reason. <,<

Basically if you go away Sheik has Needles. You are screwed up close and far away.

Not only that a spaced Bair sets up for this. Avoiding a f-tilt in a match is impossible.

 

[•Col•]

This is definitely less situational than a jab lock. Anyway, I'm kinda hoping thing this works, even though I don't play Shiek.

Shiek is cool. xD

 

[clowsui]

Except you didn't spell her name right
I know you're a Fox main but you could have at least a little more grace...

 

[Swordplay]

Look

IC has a infinite on meta. but its not an MK advantage.
Landing an F-tilt is going to be way harder now, people will play shiek like they play IC.

It will open up new possibilities as the opponent relies on spacing and defense but.........

It's not going to matter much.


What has happened here is that a temporary thing of awesomeness was found. All you've done is make MK player aware shiek is a threat. I'd bet it will still be his favor once they adjust, just like with NinjaLink's diddy.


*Sad to, as a Link main I have dedicated myself to playing all the zelda characters (xcept TL). I <3 shiek I really do but that is my opinion*

 

[TP]

This is terrible news for Ganons everywhere.

There are currently 29 people viewing this board. Enjoy your 15 minutes of fame.

 

[saviorslegacy]

Look

IC has a infinite on meta. but its not an MK advantage.
Landing an F-tilt is going to be way harder now, people will play shiek like they play IC.

It will open up new possibilities as the opponent relies on spacing and defense but.........

It's not going to matter much.


What has happened here is that a temporary thing of awesomeness was found. All you've done is make MK player aware shiek is a threat. I'd bet it will still be his favor once they adjust, just like with NinjaLink's diddy.

IC's aren't bloody fast though with Needles!

 

[Zankoku]

Except Sheik has approach options, unlike the ICs. She could, to some degree, fend for herself against Meta Knight. This just adds an option for extra punishment on hitconfirm of an ftilt, which happens to be Sheik's single most useful move given its a. 4-frame startup (hits on frame 5), b. 17-frame cooldown (ends on frame 22), and c. reasonably long range (longest ranged attack Sheik has with the exception of fsmash, but fsmash sucks).

 

[Swordplay]

It's just like NL's diddy, MK players will adjust.

Before we get all hyped lets not get overexcited. Lets see how MK adjusts.

 

[saviorslegacy]

This is terrible news for Ganons everywhere.

There are currently 29 people viewing this board. Enjoy your 15 minutes of fame.

Actually I think it is harder than it's worth to do on Ganon. He is to tall for it to be a true combo.

 

[napZzz]

Nado spam>ftilt?

Or shuttle loops?

 

[Zankoku]

I'm pretty sure Meta Knights (and many other characters) have already been playing to avoid the ftilt - it used to lead directly to around 40% guaranteed damage for them off of just the ftilt lock. Avoiding Sheik's ftilt for the entire game is somewhat more likely than avoiding Dedede's grab for an entire game, but not by much.

Also, I already mentioned earlier that it's pretty pointless to do this against characters that can already easily be ftilt locked. That includes Ganondorf.

 

[saviorslegacy]

I'm pretty sure Meta Knights (and many other characters) have already been playing to avoid the ftilt - it used to lead directly to around 40% guaranteed damage for them off of just the ftilt lock. Avoiding Sheik's ftilt for the entire game is somewhat more likely than avoiding Dedede's grab for an entire game, but not by much.

Also, I already mentioned earlier that it's pretty pointless to do this against characters that can already easily be ftilt locked. That includes Ganondorf.

True.. and do you know what's funny? The major killers of this combo are the people with little ground traction (Luigi and Lucario) and the fast fallers. The fast fallers can be f-tilt locked to crazy high percents.
So basically we have an infinite on every character except fo a very small handful (those who have little ground traction).

 

[Nefarious B]

Good **** on this, I don't play Sheik much but this is very cool, footstool seems to be one of the last places of potential metagame development, everyone should think about if it can be applied to their own characters.

 

[Chaco]

... any picture suggestions?

MK with a **** in his mouth.

 

[saviorslegacy]

MK with a **** in his mouth.

lol.. you are win.

 

[Steel]

i'd like to call this one

the zebra combo

edit: sorry im trolling

/infracts self

 

[AzNfinesse]

i kinda get the feeling u can roll out after u get hit by the bair. not 100% sure just an untested observation.

 

[Zankoku]

Forgot to mention, Yoshi's Island's weird ground terrain makes normal "OTG lock" attacks not actually lock, so this combo is completely impossible on that stage.

 

[i1337]

...wow. o_O great find, lol.

 

[Chaco]

lol.. you are win.

Why thank you. i do what I can.

I love this because I dislike MK. <3 Sheik.

 

[East]

What if MK just bans Final Destination?

 

[Zankoku]

I just noticed that you think ROB is impossible to footstool combo. Um, no?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3je-k53-DU (second example)
You can footstool as long as Sheik is in the general vicinity of ROB; you don't have to do it from directly above him.

@East: This is why I'm interested in seeing how much a strong bair could work.

 

[Fyist]

This definetly needs to be named after you