Sheikah Training: Know Your Surroundings Sheik Stage Discussion~Lylat Cruise

[Sailor Princess Twenty-Two.]

I'm finishing up my finals as well so maybe we can get this moving again.

 

[#HBC | Scary]

sweet, wonder where judo is? He'd give some nice input as well. Billy too! and mars, and choknater, and aisight, and /namesearchbait.

 

[Dcold]

Yeah, I think it could be helpful, sucks that I ended up quitting Brawl after I started this thread lolol. But now I'm back, and have actually been thinking of starting it up again.

 

[#HBC | Scary]

didn't know that you quit....except it's brawl and quitting is seemingly impossible

 

[Dcold]

Yeah I came back like, seriously going to try and come back mode like, beginning of December. So yeah, running off of like 5~ months of actually trying to play this game again. Have to relearn a good amount of things.

Only thing I miss was my 99% accuracy on Grab Release [ Nakat knows that 1% @_@ ].

End of the week gonna start on Battlefield, and just have the stage going for a week's discussion unless it's still going on, or if we just can get the stage done within a shorter time.

This game is simply too good to go without. :]

 

[Sailor Princess Twenty-Two.]

It's true, I've also tried numerous times.

It's really difficult to quit something after you put so much time into it.

 

[Dcold]

I actually quit because I couldn't DACUS with A anymore. I raged and said **** this game. Came back and started using R. Lmao. Ahh...9th grade...

I quit before Apex2010. Came back before 2012 lmao.

 

[#HBC | Scary]

Oh man, I agree with Tutu's sentiment exactly. I've felt I want to quit many times but my mind and heart just won't let me. Kind of annoying sometimes lmao.

 

[Zankoku]

I haven't been entering tournaments.

 

[Dcold]

Do itttttttttt Aisighttttttttttt

You can contributeeeeeeee

 

[Zankoku]

I'm a bad player who wouldn't get any notable results anyway.

 

[Fuujin]

Then you're using a bad character on top of that.

A tragic story sis.

 

[Zankoku]

I don't even main Sheik.

 

[Dcold]

You're like the Sheik version of DeLux.

 

[Zankoku]

DeLux made brackets at Apex. I didn't get out of my first round of pools.

 

[Dcold]

If you believe

 

[sheikamaru]

let me run the sheik boards.

 

[#HBC | Scary]

Go for it! Could be interesting.

 

[Dcold]

Alright it has been restarted. I want the input to actually be better than last time, where some of the reasons were just grab release :X. We're probably gonna redo those at another time. But here we go with BATTLEFIELD:


I personally love this stage, if anyone is under you on this stage then they're taking some damage from uptilts. It causes good mindgames at high percents because people often shield and try to block the uptilt from coming, and you can just wait and upSmash poke them for a kill. There are many platform gimmicks that work such as pushing them off the platform with like, fair, while they're shielding to fully charged needles->free grab/upsmash/ftilt. It's a really versatile stage. This stage also gives Sheik more landing options for recovering, and for more ledge games as you can ledgehop with more places to land. The stage is decently large so it gives room to run away and needle camp. Very solid stage, personally I'd say if not her best legal stage, top 3. Best Neutral imo as I don't like Lylat.

I would say Ban it vs. Marth. He uses the platforms just as well as we do, but his increased range and coverage allows him to make us struggle in most positions.

Strike vs: Wario. Platforms save him from getting grab released, and he also causes fear by being on platforms of his waft and his ridiculous aerials.
Strike vs: Snake. It's not terrible to fight Snake here, but I'd say FD or SV would be better as there's more open space. Platforms help him hide C4s and Mines, and also give him places he can escape our needles which are so important in this MU.
Strike vs: Game and Watch. Once again not terrible to fight him here, but I believe his key goes through the platform, which is very annoying.

Personally I counterpick the entire cast here, I feel the most comfortable on this stage so really it's up to preference.

I'd give it 5 Sheik's

 

[sheikamaru]

i know game and watchs key goes through the platform which is annoying. what i like to do against that is crouch and time an up air or uptilt immediately after he lands to punish.im pretty sure his dair doesn't auto cancel at any point. i wanna also say it's better to take him there because we have safe landing options when he manages to keep us in the air with his up air and doesn't his dair push us back when he lands on sheild..

 

[Judo777]

Battlefield is the only stage in the game that has a chance to compete with SV. That is all.

 

[Sailor Princess Twenty-Two.]

You can grab release wario into aerials on BF regardless of where you are in relation to a platform.

 

[Good Ol' Tree]

BF is an awesome stage to bait with. Platforms serve us rather well because we can punish decently no matter the percentage.Dashing charge needles off the left/right platforms can set up for edge guard opportunities if the opponent if further out.

 

[-Mars-]

BF is by far my favorite stage in the game. Sheik does really well here imo because her pressure game excels when she has platforms to work with and not only are there platforms on this stage, There's 3 of them and they don't move lol.

Make sure the majority of the time you use utilt to pressure from beneath instead of uair or another aerial since it's a lot safer.

Love playing MK on this stage, easier to recover for whatever reason. I beat ROB here more than any other stage, like it against Diddy, Falco.


Don't like it against Marth, Olimar, or DDD.

 

[Judo777]

You can grab release wario into aerials on BF regardless of where you are in relation to a platform.

You can GR Wario into Usmash regardless of where you in relation to the platforms.

 

[Sailor Princess Twenty-Two.]

I didnt know that one.

Wario sucks lol.

 

[#HBC | Scary]

You can GR Wario into Usmash regardless of where you in relation to the platforms.

Really? This works?!?! I've always gotten PSed.

 

[Dcold]

I'm sure I've been powershielded before though.

 

[#HBC | Scary]

I remember using this stage as a CP against Sonic because you can chain camp him hard should you get a nice lead.

On that note, I'm awful with the chain lol.

Also, against MK you have to me careful with platform pressure because shuttle loop will hit you and will kill you at killing time.

 

[-Mars-]

You can GR Wario into Usmash regardless of where you in relation to the platforms.

'You gotta be frame perfect and buffer the dash at the earliest possible frame though no???

 

[choknater]

sweet, wonder where judo is? He'd give some nice input as well. Billy too! and mars, and choknater, and aisight, and /namesearchbait.

LOL dang i got baited.

generally i like battlefield to fight characters that i want to get close by. if the character is stronger at a close range fight and i wanna get away, i like smashville.

 

[Judo777]

Yea it works. I don't even think you have to be frame perfect maybe you do. I think its alot easier than GR DACUS so most of you guys should have no problem. Yea Wario's should ban this stage, a lower level grab is a kill no matter what (in kill percents obv).

 

[sheikamaru]

what is the earliest you can kill wario, a wario w/ good di

 

[Judo777]

what is the earliest you can kill wario, a wario w/ good di

I go 110-115 to be safe. But idk

 

[Dcold]

I've killed a Wario as low as like 100.

 

[Zankoku]

100 is actually the exact threshold on starter stages. It's 93 for Peach, even though Peach's usmash deals less damage than Sheik's. Those are the only two numbers I really pay attention to, lol.

 

[Judo777]

100 is actually the exact threshold on starter stages. It's 93 for Peach, even though Peach's usmash deals less damage than Sheik's. Those are the only two numbers I really pay attention to, lol.

Krystedez survived 105 against me on FD but he SDIed and hit the ground first lol. Idk some Warios are crazy.

 

[Good Ol' Tree]

In training mode on FD, the GR kills at 93%. I usually do it around between 100-105.

 

[-Mars-]

I do it whenever I grab Wario. If he knows how to smash DI it's a free 30%.

 

[Sailor Princess Twenty-Two.]

That low? I was always waiting until like 130-135.

damn wario sucks.