Smash Back Room Weekly Character Discussions! FINAL UPDATES: Ness + Lucas. All done!!

[SamuraiPanda]

Hm.... I guess I'll need to add another clue to steer you guys in the right direction yet again. I'm always hesitant to tell you guys what to look for, especially after some people figured out a few of the hints in a matter of minutes.

EDIT: The deed is done. Have at it.

 

[rinoH]

its jiggs cuz he said magikarp and thats a pokeman

 

[ssbbFICTION]

I'll continue guessing wario for every hint until it happens

 

[The Halloween Captain]

Hm.... I guess I'll need to add another clue to steer you guys in the right direction yet again. I'm always hesitant to tell you guys what to look for, especially after some people figured out a few of the hints in a matter of minutes.

EDIT: The deed is done. Have at it.

Whoops, should have thought of that sooner.

EDIT: I look at the sentence order and feel like I should have noticed something obvious sooner, or the order was different and I didn't notice a change. Most likely the former.

 

[illinialex24]

Its Jigglypuff?? WOOT.

 

[The Halloween Captain]

Hmmmmmm......

With the new hint, Wario?

EDIT: Actually, Lucas seems to fit better.

I paired up the sentences and guessed from that. I could easily be very wrong.

 

[illinialex24]

Hmmmmmm......

With the new hint, Wario?

EDIT: Actually, Lucas seems to fit better.

What are the hints exactly. I just heard Magikarp so I guessed Jigglypuff.

 

[The Halloween Captain]

What are the hints exactly. I just heard Magikarp so I guessed Jigglypuff.

Logic described above, however,

It might be wiser to swap out the words "this character" with "a character" like the hint says you can on the first line.

 

[DemonicTrilogy]

I don't know. I feel that the "mights" have something to do with this. In the end, it says that "this character might be a character" but the first statement in the hints say that "this character is a character."

Both paragraphs go by the same pattern of mights, absolutes, and absolutely nots, so the mights might have something to do with this since he disproved the last set of mights with the beginning statement, possibly showing that as the key to this whole riddle. Since the character can't be a magikarp, the last might in the first paragraph is false while the last might in the second paragraph is true. The first set of mights say "the character might have hair" and "the character might have a red costume" My theory is that one of these mights is true and one of these mights is false just as the last set of mights were. If the character has a red costume, it doesn't have hair, and if it doesn't have a red costume, it has hair. Since team battles have a red team, they all have red costumes so based on my theory (remember, a theory), the character doesn't have hair. That's all on my part for now. Just some food for thought. ^_^

My theory:

The key is that the character is a character so the last might in the second paragraph is true since the key states that it is. The last might in the first paragraph is false since there is no character that is magikarp. My theory is that mights that come in a set are made so that one is true the other is false. For example:

The pattern is:

The beginning statement that "This character is a character" is the key

Paragraph one is set one

Not, might (set one), absolute not,
absolute, not, absolute, not
absolute, not, might (set two)

Paragraph two is set two

Not, might (set one), absolute not,
absolute, not, absolute, not
absolute, not, might (set two)

The absolutes and nots point out the obvious except the "is not too big" which leaves the mights under consideration.

Based on my theory:

Not, might, absolute not,
absolute, not, absolute, not
absolute, not, the last might in set one(was false by common knowledge)

Not, might, absolute not,
absolute, not, absolute, not
absolute, not, the last might in set two(was proven true by the key)

So if this means that if one of the mights in a set is true, the other has to be false. Using this, we know that there have to be red costumes for every character since there are team battles that have that color required.

If this is the case:

Not, first might in set one (proven true because it's required in teams), absolute not,
absolute, not, absolute, not
absolute, not, the second might in set two(was false by common knowledge)

Not, first might in set two (theory says this is false since it the other might in set one is true), absolute not,
absolute, not, absolute, not
absolute, not, might in set two(was proven true by the key)


The remaining characters in this are • Fox • Jigglypuff • Ness
• Lucas • Pokémon Trainer (Charizard • Ivysaur • Squirtle) • Wario

If Jigglypuff's tuff of hair counts as hair, then my theory would suggest that it is one of the pokemon with pokemon trainer. Since one of the "nots" says this character is not too big, and ivysaur doesn't really have any hands, I would guess squirtle if those count as his hands.

Ok, I'm done fully editing this. It's safe to read this now without having the text change every time you refresh.

 

[Nestec]

Oy, Panda, was there anyone so far that has been remarkably close at figuring it out (as far as you can tell, I mean)?

 

[ssbbFICTION]

I don't know. I feel that the "mights" have something to do with this. In the end, it says that "this character might be a character" but the first statement in the hints say that "this character is a character."

Both paragraphs go by the same pattern of mights, absolutes, and absolutely nots, so the mights might have something to do with this since he disproved the last set of mights with the beginning statement, possibly showing that as the key to this whole riddle. Since the character can't be a magikarp, the last might in the first paragraph is false while the last might in the second paragraph is true. The first set of mights say "the character might have hair" and "the character might have a red costume" My theory is that one of these mights is true and one of these mights is false just as the last set of mights were. If the character has a red costume, it doesn't have hair, and if it doesn't have a red costume, it has hair. Since team battles have a red team, they all have red costumes so based on my theory (remember, a theory), the character doesn't have hair. That's all on my part for now. Just some food for thought. ^_^

My theory:

The key is that the character is a character so the last might in the second paragraph is true since the key states that it is. The last might in the first paragraph is false since there is no character that is magikarp. My theory is that mights that come in a set are made so that one is true the other is false. For example:

The pattern is:

The beginning statement that "This character is a character" is the key

Paragraph one is set one

Not, might (set one), absolute not,
absolute, not, absolute, not
absolute, not, might (set two)

Paragraph two is set two

Not, might (set one), absolute not,
absolute, not, absolute, not
absolute, not, might (set two)

The absolutes and nots point out the obvious except the "is not too big" which leaves the mights under consideration.

Based on my theory:

Not, might, absolute not,
absolute, not, absolute, not
absolute, not, the last might in set one(was false by common knowledge)

Not, might, absolute not,
absolute, not, absolute, not
absolute, not, the last might in set two(was proven true by the key)

So if this means that if one of the mights in a set is true, the other has to be false. Using this, we know that there have to be red costumes for every character since there are team battles that have that color required.

If this is the case:

Not, first might in set one (proven true because it's required in teams), absolute not,
absolute, not, absolute, not
absolute, not, the second might in set two(was false by common knowledge)

Not, first might in set two (theory says this is false since it the other might in set one is true), absolute not,
absolute, not, absolute, not
absolute, not, might in set two(was proven true by the key)


The remaining characters in this are • Fox • Jigglypuff • Ness
• Lucas • Pokémon Trainer (Charizard • Ivysaur • Squirtle) • Wario

If Jigglypuff's tuff of hair counts as hair, then my theory would suggest that it is one of the pokemon with pokemon trainer. Since one of the "nots" says this character is not too big, and ivysaur doesn't really have any hands, I would guess squirtle if those count as his hands.

Yah I'm still guessing wario

 

[The Halloween Captain]

Technically, Fox doesn't have hair, because he has fur instead.

 

[SamuraiPanda]

Oy, Panda, was there anyone so far that has been remarkably close at figuring it out (as far as you can tell, I mean)?

Yes and no. Although some people were on the right track at one point in time.

The hardest part about the hint isn't just figuring out which parts to use and which to not use, but its also what to do with it once you find it, because it isn't immediately obvious that its useful.

 

[The Derrit]

I don't have a huge elaborate theory behind this, but I want to say pokemon trainer for this, mostly because of the mights. For instance, ivysaur has hair, but squirtle does not, so it is fair to say this character MIGHT have hair, depending. Also, this character MIGHT be magikarp; pokemon trainer could potentially own a magikarp being a pokemaster, so while it won't happen, this character miiight be magikarp. And also just because the absolutes can apply to different pokemon within the trainer's repitoire; Is not too big could be squirtle and ivysaur at any given time, while charizard is still clarly plenty big.

The new hint from panda probably says this is a load of crap but it seems logical enough to me.

 

[Nestec]

Okay...so have we decided that the specific statements no longer mean anything to us? I'm almost positive that this "second hint" is something that can be found by using a pattern. But what is this pattern? Does it have something to do with the "positive", "negative" and "might"s? Is there a connection between the specifics of the sentences? And is the Arial font relevant at all to the code? I think those are the main things we gotta settle...

Edit::
Eeeergh, why is it that all of the sentence pairs have the same format except for the 4th, 6th, and 8th pairs of the two paragraphs???!!?

This character is not Zero Suit Samus. This character might have a red costume. This character is not too big. This character has a recovery. This character is not old. This character has smash attacks. This character is not new. This character can use items. This character is not King Dedede. This character might be Magikarp.

This character is not a homerun bat. This character might have hair. This character is not banned. This character can be selected. This character is not Norfair. This character can jump. This character is not a deku nut. This character has hands. This character is not hard to lose with. This character might be a character.

That's what I'm trying to figure out... >_<

 

[Delvro]

I don't think the difference between "has" and "can be" is important, since they're both positive statements.

 

[Overswarm]

I think you might have to give them another hint to help them decipher this hint, Panda.

 

[Frogsterking]

I think you might have to give them another hint to help them decipher this hint, Panda.

Did you like my idea, Overswarm?

 

[Overswarm]

didn't see your idea

 

[washy]

Its jigglybut, screw all the other theories for lucas, PT, etc.

Some one probably mentioned this before but when they say "This character is not old" maybe their talking about age and not how long they've been in ssb. King Dedede floats, jigglypuff floats. Jigglypuff is not a magikarp, magikarp is a magikarp. Jigglypuff has hands, and hair.

EDIT: Actually i take it all back i think its PT

 

[Frogsterking]

Update #33: ????

11/25/08

This character is a character.

This character is not Zero Suit Samus. This character might have a red costume. This character is not too big. This character has a recovery. This character is not old. This character has smash attacks. This character is not new. This character can use items. This character is not King Dedede. This character might be Magikarp.

This character is not a homerun bat. This character might have hair. This character is not banned. This character can be selected. This character is not Norfair. This character can jump. This character is not a deku nut. This character has hands. This character is not hard to lose with. This character might be a character.

Can you decipher the real hint?

___________________________________

I've been trying to find a pattern in the sentences. It could be something like True/ignore/true/ignore/true/ignore. The first sentence is obviously true, the second could be ignored as we've already done ZSS. The next one could be considered true ( it does or does not have a red costume, anyway you look at it), then ignore the too big part, the character obviously has a recovery, the character is not old should be ignored, the character has smash attacks is obviously true, and so on. If we follow this we end up with:

This character is a character.

This character might have a red costume. (it does or does not have a red costume)
This character has a recovery.
This character has smash attacks.
This character can use items.
This character might be Magikarp. (it is or is not Magikarp)

This character might have hair. (it does or does not have hair)
This character can be selected.
This character can jump.
This character has hands.
This character might be a character. ( ??? )


If this is true, then I have no idea where to go from here

didn't see your idea

Here's my idea. This was before the whole [Font] business came into account though.

 

[washy]

Here's my idea. This was before the whole [Font] business came into account though.

"This character might have a red costume" every character has a red costume. Team colors

 

[Frogsterking]

"This character might have a red costume" every character has a red costume. Team colors

Mmm

Pink maybe?

 

[Nestec]

Remember though, we're not just trying to find a missing sequence in the pattern or something. There has to be a code somewhere. But we can't decipher this code unless we have a key. We need to figure out some sort of key even after we find the code.

 

[Snowstalker]

It's obviously Magikarp. We need to ban that broken monster.

 

[SamuraiPanda]

I think you might have to give them another hint to help them decipher this hint, Panda.

You wanna go for it? Perhaps it would be easier to make a hint from an outsider's point of view, because I really don't know how to give another one without telling them too much.

 

[Frogsterking]

You wanna go for it? Perhaps it would be easier to make a hint from an outsider's point of view, because I really don't know how to give another one without telling them too much.

It seems as though everytime I read one of your posts you have a different Avatar + Phrase


I need guidance on what kind of code I am looking for.


--This reminds me of that poem hint that was made with several lines from songs.

 

[Overswarm]

Hint supplement:

Whether old or new, it's what you can't do that you have to look beyond... even if you feel like you're moving backwards.

 

[Frogsterking]

Hint supplement:

Whether old or new, it's what you can't do that you have to look beyond... even if you feel like you're moving backwards.

Thats...nice
Did you really expect that to help anyone, or just felt like sharing?



Edit: *sigh* I'll look at the hint again and see if your supplement helps me figure anything out.

 

[G1G4 G0N0RRH34]

It's Wario for sure


no i lied it's Magikarp

 

[Frogsterking]

It's Wario for sure

Can you help me please

Copy the hint and start re-arranging it and stuff, see if you come up with anything.

 

[mariofanpm12]

Hmm... only 7 more to go

 

[Frogsterking]

Sonic
Captain Falcon
Fox
Sheik
Zero Suit Samus
Meta Knight
Charizard
Pikachu
Diddy Kong
Marth
Yoshi
Toon Link
Donkey Kong
Pit
Mr. Game & Watch
Lucas
ROB
Mario
Bowser
Ivysaur
Samus
Lucario
Falco
Olimar
Ness
Wolf
Ice Climbers
Ike
Squirtle
Kirby
Wario
Peach
Snake
Luigi
Link
King Dedede
Zelda
Ganondorf
Jigglypuff

That...I don't understand.

Hmm... only 7 more to go

Ah.

 

[The Halloween Captain]

Update #33: ????

11/25/08

This character is a character.

This character is not Zero Suit Samus. This character might have a red costume. This character is not too big. This character has a recovery. This character is not old. This character has smash attacks. This character is not new. This character can use items. This character is not King Dedede. This character might be Magikarp.

This character is not a homerun bat. This character might have hair. This character is not banned. This character can be selected. This character is not Norfair. This character can jump. This character is not a deku nut. This character has hands. This character is not hard to lose with. This character might be a character.

Can you decipher the real hint?

*Hint for the hint: Within these words there is a code you must discover then decipher in order to find the character for the week.

We can say this character has a recovery, smash attacks, and can use items.

We can also say the character can be selected, can jump, and has hands.

We can't say anything else. I'm not sure we can say this much

Now, Jiggs doesn't have hands, and Fox has paws, which also eliminates the Pokemon Trainer's pokemon.

It is very tempting to say "Wario" at this point, assuming I didn't butcher it. You can also swap out the words "this character" with "a character" like the first line tells you to, if you feel like it.

 

[Frogsterking]

We can say this character has a recovery, smash attacks, and can use items.

We can also say the character can be selected, can jump, and has hands.

We can't say anything else. I'm not sure we can say this much

Now, Jiggs doesn't have hands, and Fox has paws, which also eliminates the Pokemon Trainer's pokemon.

It is very tempting to say "Wario" at this point, assuming I didn't butcher it. You can also swap out the words "this character" with "a character" like the first line tells you to, if you feel like it.

Yay someone who will help me.

Nice to see you again. What have some of the previous hints been while I was gone?



Also, I think we should focus on the sentence patterns, such as how every other sentence has "not" in it. Eliminating the characters one by one based on individual lines is not the way to go here.

 

[The Halloween Captain]

Yay someone who will help me.

Nice to see you again. What have some of the previous hints been while I was gone?



Also, I think we should focus on the sentence patterns, such as how every other sentence has "not" in it. Eliminating the characters one by one based on individual lines is not the way to go here.

Every line in the first big paragraph correlates to a line in the second big paragraph, so far it would seem in the exact order of the lines. Paragraph 1 line 1 to Paragraph 2 line 1, etc.

EDIT: I should warn you, I often look into things too much, and I am usually wrong about Samurai hints.

 

[Frogsterking]

Every line in the first big paragraph correlates to a line in the second big paragraph, so far it would seem in the exact order of the lines. Paragraph 1 line 1 to Paragraph 2 line 1, etc.

EDIT: I should warn you, I often look into things too much, and I am usually wrong about Samurai hints.

Ooo thats neat, I'll start looking into that.

 

[M15t3R E]

Yay someone who will help me.

Nice to see you again. What have some of the previous hints been while I was gone?



Also, I think we should focus on the sentence patterns, such as how every other sentence has "not" in it. Eliminating the characters one by one based on individual lines is not the way to go here.

I don't understand the "code". I don't see a subliminal message in there to decipher at all.
Well, I'll say what I have always thought- it's probably either Wario or Ness.

 

[Frogsterking]

Samurai is back on! Maybe he will bestow us some knowledge.

 

[The Halloween Captain]

Old to new, ZSS to King Dedede, Deku nut to Home Run Bat?

EDIT: a bit of advice: I traditionally don't look into Overswarm advice for the same reason I only got to page three even with help on OS's last hint - I don't think like him. It might be a good idea to get Stealthraptor or Infzy to work on anything OS gives us.