Smash Back Room Weekly Character Discussions! FINAL UPDATES: Ness + Lucas. All done!!

[Frogsterking]

This character is a character.
This character is not Zero Suit Samus.
This character might have a red costume.
This character is not too big.
This character has a recovery.
This character is not old.
This character has smash attacks.
This character is not new.
This character can use items.
This character is not King Dedede.
This character might be Magikarp.

This character is not a homerun bat.
This character might have hair.
This character is not banned.
This character can be selected.
This character is not Norfair.
This character can jump.
This character is not a deku nut.
This character has hands.
This character is not hard to lose with.
This character might be a character.


Maybe something in these first words?

 

[brinboy789]

lol...

Spoiler

i dont get it -_-

 

[Overswarm]

This character is a character.
This character is not Zero Suit Samus.
This character might have a red costume.
This character is not too big.
This character has a recovery.
This character is not old.
This character has smash attacks.
This character is not new.
This character can use items.
This character is not King Dedede.
This character might be Magikarp.

This character is not a homerun bat.
This character might have hair.
This character is not banned.
This character can be selected.
This character is not Norfair.
This character can jump.
This character is not a deku nut.
This character has hands.
This character is not hard to lose with.
This character might be a character.


Maybe something in these first words?

This list is probably the best organized way to look at it...

I won't give this guy any credits for it though.

 

[Frogsterking]

This list is probably the best organized way to look at it...

I won't give this guy any [COLOR="White"a]credits[/COLORa] for it though.

What the heck

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This character is a character.
This character is not Zero Suit Samus.
This character might have a red costume.
This character is not too big.
This character has a recovery.
This character is not old.
This character has smash attacks.
This character is not new.
This character can use items.
This character is not King Dedede.
This character might be Magikarp.

This character is not a homerun bat.
This character might have hair.
This character is not banned.
This character can be selected.
This character is not Norfair.
This character can jump.
This character is not a deku nut.
This character has hands.
This character is not hard to lose with.
This character might be a character.


I've made another advancement. I labeled each of the first words with a number so that we can see the patterns easier. Look:

1 = is a
2 = is not
3 = might
4 = has a
5 = can

So that makes the hint look like this:

1

2 3 2 4 2 4 2 5 2 3

2 3 2 5 2 5 2 4 2 3



You can see that paragraph one and two follow the same pattern, except switching 4 and 5. I'm too tired to figure out the rest right now, I will have to put the words with the pattern and try to figure out the code tomorrow.
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Am I getting hotter or colder Overswarm?

 

[The Halloween Captain]

What the heck

________________________________________

This character is a character.
This character is not Zero Suit Samus.
This character might have a red costume.
This character is not too big.
This character has a recovery.
This character is not old.
This character has smash attacks.
This character is not new.
This character can use items.
This character is not King Dedede.
This character might be Magikarp.

This character is not a homerun bat.
This character might have hair.
This character is not banned.
This character can be selected.
This character is not Norfair.
This character can jump.
This character is not a deku nut.
This character has hands.
This character is not hard to lose with.
This character might be a character.


I've made another advancement. I labeled each of the first words with a number so that we can see the patterns easier. Look:

1 = is a
2 = is not
3 = might
4 = has a
5 = can

So that makes the hint look like this:

1

2 3 2 4 2 4 2 5 2 3

2 3 2 5 2 5 2 4 2 3



You can see that paragraph one and two follow the same pattern, except switching 4 and 5. I'm too tired to figure out the rest right now, I will have to put the words with the pattern and try to figure out the code tomorrow.
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Am I getting hotter or colder Overswarm?

credits... Anyway, I would take the first line an mark it seperate from the rest, like it is in the hint, personally. There is a much clearer pattern if you make this change.

EDIT: Like this -

This character is a character.

This character is not Zero Suit Samus.
This character might have a red costume.
This character is not too big.
This character has a recovery.
This character is not old.
This character has smash attacks.
This character is not new.
This character can use items.
This character is not King Dedede.
This character might be Magikarp.

This character is not a homerun bat.
This character might have hair.
This character is not banned.
This character can be selected.
This character is not Norfair.
This character can jump.
This character is not a deku nut.
This character has hands.
This character is not hard to lose with.
This character might be a character.

 

[Frogsterking]

credits...

No he had highlighted it, I put a's there to make it stand out.

 

[The Halloween Captain]

No he had highlighted it, I put a's there to make it stand out.

???

I just meant OS is emphasizing credits.

 

[Justblaze647]

Is it Pokemon..?

Spoiler

Please let it be Pokemon...

 

[nintendomaster24]

I choose Fox because:

Ness and Lucas = "is not a homerun bat" They both have bats, Lucas' stick I think was carved from a bat (don't quote me on this)

Jiggly's UP B is NOT a recovery techinque so "This character has a recovery" eliminates her

This character can use items eliminates Pokemon Trainer because he doesn't have items whereas Fox has his blaster and Wario has his bike.

This leaves Fox and Wario.

"This character is not hard to lose with. " Fox is light, so he dies at fairly low percents
"This character is not too big. " Fox is not big in terms of heaviness

"This character has hands" Technically Fox doesn't have 'hands' and Wario does

I'm gonna go with Fox. Although this is weird how it contradicts itself :

"This character is a character. " and "This character might be a character."........wtf

 

[The Halloween Captain]

I choose Fox because:

Ness and Lucas = "is not a homerun bat" They both have bats, Lucas' stick I think was carved from a bat (don't quote me on this)

Jiggly's UP B is NOT a recovery techinque so "This character has a recovery" eliminates her

This character can use items eliminates Pokemon Trainer because he doesn't have items whereas Fox has his blaster and Wario has his bike.

This leaves Fox and Wario.

"This character is not hard to lose with. " Fox is light, so he dies at fairly low percents
"This character is not too big. " Fox is not big in terms of heaviness

"This character has hands" Technically Fox doesn't have 'hands' and Wario does

I'm gonna go with Fox. Although this is weird how it contradicts itself :

"This character is a character. " and "This character might be a character."........wtf

If Fox technically doesn't have hands, why are you going with him? also, Pokemon Trainer uses pokeballs.

 

[fissionprime]

I choose Fox because:

Ness and Lucas = "is not a homerun bat" They both have bats, Lucas' stick I think was carved from a bat (don't quote me on this)

Jiggly's UP B is NOT a recovery techinque so "This character has a recovery" eliminates her

This character can use items eliminates Pokemon Trainer because he doesn't have items whereas Fox has his blaster and Wario has his bike.

This leaves Fox and Wario.

"This character is not hard to lose with. " Fox is light, so he dies at fairly low percents
"This character is not too big. " Fox is not big in terms of heaviness

"This character has hands" Technically Fox doesn't have 'hands' and Wario does

I'm gonna go with Fox. Although this is weird how it contradicts itself :

"This character is a character. " and "This character might be a character."........wtf

the problem with that is there is a code within the hint used to decipher the rest of the hint, so looking at this hint objectively won't really get you anywhere.

 

[Denzi]

the problem with that is there is a code within the hint used to decipher the rest of the hint, so looking at this hint objectively won't really get you anywhere.

But I'm going to ignore this and blindly pick Fox as well.
*hopes for rightness*

 

[Justblaze647]

If Fox technically doesn't have hands, why are you going with him? also, Pokemon Trainer uses pokeballs.

Oh! Please be Pokemon...

 

[mimic_king]

Why do you think pokemon Trainer hasn't been done yet? And yes, I we are most likely still missing something in this hint.

That didn't really answer my question. Once there is one character left, there is no point in doing a hint. How do we finish off this thread?

This character is a character.
This character is not Zero Suit Samus.
This character might have a red costume.
This character is not too big.
This character has a recovery.
This character is not old.
This character has smash attacks.
This character is not new.
This character can use items.
This character is not King Dedede.
This character might be Magikarp.

This character is not a homerun bat.
This character might have hair.
This character is not banned.
This character can be selected.
This character is not Norfair.
This character can jump.
This character is not a deku nut.
This character has hands.
This character is not hard to lose with.
This character might be a character.

IINMHC
(Is, Is Not, Might, Has, Can)

Wonder if this will help anyone.

I have the feeling it's Ness, just by the way the passage looks. The word Ness is hidden in there. Look closely and you'll notice it.

 

[Overswarm]

did no one read the supplement(s?) I gave?

 

[mimic_king]

No. Can you tell us again? Not that I need to know. Others might.

I already know who the character is but I don't feel like posting it. Same applies to every hint we've had so far.

 

[CHOMPY]

These key words like might and can doesnt mean they are 100% accurate. They are 50% so we still dont know who the next weeks character will be.

 

[XienZo]

Its totally morse code.

 

[mimic_king]

I say it's secretly written in braille, Morse code style.

 

[Overswarm]

if you're too lazy to go back a few pages, not a chance in hell you're solving this

 

[mimic_king]

Im too lazy to even post the answer which I know is correct. What makes you think I'll go back a few pages to look for the hint?

 

[ftl]

Hint supplement:

Whether old or new, it's what you can't do that you have to look beyond... even if you feel like you're moving backwards.

That's the hint supplement OS posted

it'll get buried soon enough again

 

[mimic_king]

I think I can use this supplement. For you guys of course. I already know who it is, but many of you don't, so I will use this to tell you guys the answer.

 

[Ownasaurus]

Whether old or new, it's what you can't do that you have to look beyond... even if you feel like you're moving backwards.

I almost never post here... but this puzzle has me totally stumped and curious.

I've tried looking at all of the "is not" statements for patterns, etc. to no avail, and I've tried the same looking at every statement except for the "is not" statements in an attempt to "look beyond what we can't do." I've also tried looking for "backwards" patterns to no avail.

Since I'm pretty sure the actual sentences mean nothing, I've mostly been looking at the first/last letters of key words in the sentence.

I hope I interpreted the hint correctly and am on the right track....

 

[M15t3R E]

I think I can use this supplement. For you guys of course. I already know who it is, but many of you don't, so I will use this to tell you guys the answer.

We're waiting...

OS: I went back a few pages, read and analyzed everything, and I have no clue how to begin deciphering it.
I do still believe it is either Wario or Ness.

 

[The Halloween Captain]

That didn't really answer my question. Once there is one character left, there is no point in doing a hint. How do we finish off this thread?

If Pokemon Trainer is last, we don't know if the Trainer is last, or one of his Pokemon. However, it will be the trainer himself, as that will leave us with the most doubt about the final hint.

This is a pattern I learned from T.V.

My biggest problem with listening to OS is that my experience tells me OS will send me farther from the answer than when I started. His hints are great, but I tend to misinterpret them badly. We need someone who has completed an OS hint to decipher any hint he gives us, IMO.

EDIT: are we supposed to find the SSBB end credits or something, with all this going back?

EDIT2: between ZSS and D3 in the end credits appears Wario and Statue Ness. I'm still guessing Wario.

EDIT3: EDIT2 is the reason why I don't look to OS much for help, b/c I know I screwed up somewhere. But I'm still guessing Wario.

 

[East]

Hm...

Perhaps this has something to do with not only the words but the spaces between them for example might a total of four times, but in interesting integrals.

Might... [7 other lines] Might... [1 other line] Might... [7 other lines] Might...
Is Not... [1 Other Line] Is Not... [1 Other Line] Is Not... [1 Other Line] Is Not... [1 Other Line] Is Not... [1 Other Line] Is Not... [1 Other Line] Is Not... [1 Other Line] Is Not... [1 Other Line] Is Not... [1 Other Line] Is Not...
Has... [1 Other Line] Has... [11 Other Lines] Has...
Can... [5 Other Lines] Can... [1 Other Lines] Can...

Perhaps these numbers have some sort of significance. For example since there are 11 spaces between every "Is Not..." line then we can say the next character "Is Not..." Magikarp.

There are 12 spaces total between the "Has..." lines so perhaps then we can insert the 12th line and say "Has..." a homerun bat.

or something along those lines. I'm just idea brainstormin... : )

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Time to get serious

So I think it has something to do with the either the number of times the beginning lines appear or the spaces between them. All the hypothesizing has given me the following results:

[Is a..] Lines: 1

• 0 [Lines before one occurrence] - 20 [Lines after one occurrence]

[Is not...] Lines: 10

• 1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1

[Might...] Lines: 4

• 2-7-1-7-0

[Has...] Lines: 3

• 4-1-13-2

[Can...] Lines: 3

• 8-5-1-4

Spoiler

This is a possibility, but I don't think it is right [I haven't been using it in my thinking to follow]:
[Might be...] Lines: 2

• 9-9-

[Might have...] Lines: 2

• 2-9-8

Answers based on counting total amount of spaces between occurrence of each similar line

Is a... hard character to lose with.
Is not... Magikarp.
Might... Jump.
Has... a hard character to lose with.
Can... be a dekunut.

Lines used: 20,11,17,20,18

Answers based on the total number of times the word is used
Is a... character.
Is not... Kind DeDeDe.
Might be too big.
Has... a red costume.
Can... a red costume.

Lines used: 1,10,4,3,3

Answers based on the number of times the word is used, compounding forward from the subsequent clue
Is a... character.
Is Not... Magikarp.
Can... be selected.
Has... a dekunut.
Can be a character.

Lines used: 1,11,15,18,21

I'm the first to ways of trying to get the clue are incorrect, and possibly the third one, but I can't help think that the dekunut thing is referring to Ivysaur... Any other suggestions guys?

Oh, I also looked over Overswarm's bit of info a few pages back...

Whether old or new, it's what you can't do that you have to look beyond... even if you feel like you're moving backwards

Not sure... not sure....

 

[Frogsterking]

1 = This character is a character.
2 = This character is not Zero Suit Samus.
3 = This character might have a red costume.
2 = This character is not too big.
4 = This character has a recovery.
2 = This character is not old.
4 = This character has smash attacks.
2 = This character is not new.
5 = This character can use items.
2 = This character is not King Dedede.
3 = This character might be Magikarp.

2 = This character is not a homerun bat.
3 = This character might have hair.
2 = This character is not banned.
5 = This character can be selected.
2 = This character is not Norfair.
5 = This character can jump.
2 = This character is not a deku nut.
4 = This character has hands.
2 = This character is not hard to lose with.
3 = This character might be a character.


Look at the numbers, and you can see a very clear patter, with 5 and 4 swapping places in the second paragraph. OS said that this layout was the best organized way to look at it, so I know I'm at least doing something right. I just can't figure out whether my pattern is important, and if it is what does it mean? Here is Overswarm's supplement:

Hint supplement:

Whether old or new, it's what you can't do that you have to look beyond... even if you feel like you're moving backwards.

So...I dunno. Overswarm also emphasized "credits" earlier, making me think this has something to do with the credits in SSBB. How could we find credits from this riddle thing?

 

[urdailywater]

ITS PIKACHU

Spoiler

Pokemon Trainer + Pokemon?

 

[SamuraiPanda]

It seems like people are too concerned with the beginning and not concerned enough with the end.

 

[Ownasaurus]

It seems like people are too concerned with the beginning and not concerned enough with the end.

I'm fairly confidant the pattern has to do with the ends of sentences (such as 'Zero Suit Samus', 'Magikarp', etc.), but I have yet to decypher it. I have a feeling I'm gonna facepalm myself when I figure out what it is

 

[Overswarm]

updated hint supplement:

Hint supplement:

Whether old or new, it's what you can not do that you have to look beyond... even if you feel like you're moving backwards.

 

[Oathblivion]

I'm lost for the most part in all this, but that fiasco with the "fine" recovery a few months back leads me to take a closer look at the last line. This character might be a character could use "character" as "a comedian," or "one who acts out," like Wario.

 

[Frogsterking]

Hint supplement:

Whether old or new, it's what you can't do that you have to look beyond... even if you feel like you're moving backwards.

updated hint supplement:

Hint supplement:

Whether old or new, it's what you can not do that you have to look beyond... even if you feel like you're moving backwards.

The "updated" part.


I will start looking at the end Samurai Panda, and see if there is a more clear pattern there.

 

[Ownasaurus]

EDIT: Frogsterking beat me by a minute or two

Since there are no contractions in the puzzle, my guess is that OS's updated hint emphasizes the significance of the word "not" in the puzzle.

 

[Frogsterking]

It seems like people are too concerned with the beginning and [FONT="Arial"a][COLOR="White"a]not[/COLORa][/FONTa] concerned enough with the end.

(added a's)

Not is definately what we are looking for then, both Overswarm and Samurai appear to be stressing this.


Edit: I just figured out Overswarm's supplement! He said what we can not do that we have to look beyond, even if we feel like we are moving backwards. We have to look beyond the "not"s and find the code in the end of each sentence, then after we find a pattern look at the beginning!

1 = This character is a character.
2 = This character is not Zero Suit Samus.
3 = This character might have a red costume.
2 = This character is not too big.
4 = This character has a recovery.
2 = This character is not old.
4 = This character has smash attacks.
2 = This character is not new.
5 = This character can use items.
2 = This character is not King Dedede.
3 = This character might be Magikarp.

2 = This character is not a homerun bat.
3 = This character might have hair.
2 = This character is not banned.
5 = This character can be selected.
2 = This character is not Norfair.
5 = This character can jump.
2 = This character is not a deku nut.
4 = This character has hands.
2 = This character is not hard to lose with.
3 = This character might be a character

Look at the end of each line and try to find a code, and look for anything significant about the "not" lines!

 

[Mith_]

every 2 has not in it
every 3 is might
every 4 is has
every 5 has a verb

this prolly doesn't help but it was the most that i could come up with lol.

 

[Frogsterking]

Actually, thats how I labeled each of them

I'm glad you noticed that though, and thanks for looking. I'm stumped right now

 

[Darth Waffles]

I think that Samurai's hint points us towards the end of the not sentences. Overswarm also says we have to look beyond (closer to the end of each line?) what we can't do (the not sentences?), even if it feels like we're moving backwards (maybe the end of the lines before the not sentences?)

 

[washy]

ok i copied and pasted from frogster and i have an idea

1 = This character is a character. I'm ignoring this one because it isn't connected.


2 = This character is not Zero Suit Samus. No
3 = This character might have a red costume. Yes, all characters have red costumes
2 = This character is not too big.No
4 = This character has a recovery.sort've
2 = This character is not old.not old meaning age
4 = This character has smash attacks.sort've no
2 = This character is not new.
5 = This character can use items.
2 = This character is not King Dedede.
3 = This character might be Magikarp.NO, magikrap isn't a character

2 = This character is not a homerun bat.
3 = This character might have hair.Yes, PT has hair
2 = This character is not banned.
5 = This character can be selected.
2 = This character is not Norfair.
5 = This character can jump.
2 = This character is not a deku nut.
4 = This character has hands.
2 = This character is not hard to lose with.
3 = This character might be a character.No, PT isn't playable himself, what a little ***** he makes his pokemon do all the work

The clues with mights in them, i thought maybe they go in order so the first one is yes and the second one is no. Then in the second section i followed the same pattern