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Official Smash Ultimate Discussion

Almost one month has passed since release. In retrospect....

  • This is by far the best Smash ever. Like, I don't even know how they will top this.

  • Pretty freakin' good; I have a few qualms over things like internet play, balancing issues, etc.

  • It's ok, but [insert Smash game here] is better.

  • I'd rather play Parcheesi.


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True, and now that I think of it, that actually goes for other handhelds and their game franchises too. I mean, the likes of Pokémon and Kirby (and Game & Watch I guess) are the only born-on-handheld game series' represented with playable characters in Smash - and even they've ventured to home consoles as well (and vice versa). So more representation in that area would be nice. Are there any noteworthy new game series/IP's within GB, GBA, DS and/or 3DS which could be represented?

Golden Sun for sure, Rhythm Heaven maybe too, those for GBA. DS leaves me blank, 3DS may have a shot with Ever Oasis but I'm not sure how popular it'll be to become a franchise.
It's a bit of a shame really, with the larger emphasis on handheld games thanks to the 3DS version, we didn't really get (Wait, let me just double check... yeah) any newcomers from any handheld games outside of FE and Pokemon games (I guess Dark Pit counts though)

From the top of my head, there is Muddy Mole, Sable Prince, Isaac, Andy, Starfy, Dillon, Mallo and a Custom Robo character. With third parties there are also the likes of Phoenix Wright, Profesor Layton, Jibanyan and a Dragon Quest character etc. And I'm pretty sure there is a lot more.

They seem to have better luck with the Assist Trophy department though...
 
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This is a realistic thought.

So far, it's getting far less coverage than ARMS as far as new IP's go.

Tethu would be lucky as an Assist Trophy if the game isn't a sleeper hit.
Agreed.

They could have pushed it further if they wanted to. But I doubt it's going to make a big impact or play a large role when it comes to Smash.
 

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You gotta go deeper, like the side character of an obscure game. That'll get us.

Seriously though, there's tons of characters out there that'd **** with people. Hakkun, Muddy Mole, Sukapon, Mini Kangaroo, Doshin, the list goes on.
Honestly? Nintendo is insane (but in a good way.) We're never going to figure out how they think, and even when they lay down the rules, they break them just as easily.

At this point, It wouldn't be surprised if they announced Prince Haru from the old Mario anime or Captain Lou Albano in his red overalls.
 

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Mach Rider was a 1972 Nintendo toy car before it was a Nintendo video game.
I learned something today. I've always liked Mach Rider too, so this gives me a thin ray of hope that he might sneak his way in.

Not sure i'd put Sukapon up there, seems like every third roster I see has him.

Also, I fully expect Muddy Mole to pop up considering he's a retro Gameboy character that Miyamoto was involved with, but that's just me. I could see why other people wouldn't expect it.

If it reps Hardware again, i'd say Tin Star a Super Scope character from the SNES era that I don't see predicted or expected at all.
They're kind of well known here, but to the masses I doubt people have any idea who they are, so I think they'd surprise a lot of people.

Tin Star would definitely be an out there pick, would get me at least.


Seeing that game sales keeps getting brought up, the only series with top 40 sales and no playable characters in Smash are some Brain Age games, and Nintendogs (and Tetris).

As far as franchises with 10 million sales or more, there's Big Brain Academy as well.

I guess out of those Dr. Lobe maybe?
 
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Honestly? Nintendo is insane (but in a good way.) We're never going to figure out how they think, and even when they lay down the rules, they break them just as easily.

At this point, It wouldn't be surprised if they announced Prince Haru from the old Mario anime or Captain Lou Albano in his red overalls.
Oh dude if we open up that Non-Video Game can of worms, there's one guy screaming at us right in the face: Captain N. I don't think they'll go THAT far, though.

They're kind of well known here, but to the masses I doubt people have any idea who they are, so I think they'd surprise a lot of people.

Tin Star would definitely be an out there pick, would be got me at least.
Yeah, basing what is and isn't expected off of one board if pretty biased now that I think about it.

Tin Star just seems like the logical next step to that pattern you mentioned earlier: Unexpected character who reps Hardware, in this case, the Super Scope. I could see him using moves from multiple Super Scope games in the same way Duck Hunt uses Zapper games. (Also, a Cowboy made out of metal who rides a horse named Aluminum? Fits right in, if you ask me)
 

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True, and now that I think of it, that actually goes for other handhelds and their game franchises too. I mean, the likes of Pokémon and Kirby (and Game & Watch I guess) are the only born-on-handheld game series' represented with playable characters in Smash - and even they've ventured to home consoles as well (and vice versa). So more representation in that area would be nice. Are there any noteworthy new game series/IP's within GB, GBA, DS and/or 3DS which could be represented?

Golden Sun for sure, Rhythm Heaven maybe too, those for GBA. DS leaves me blank, 3DS may have a shot with Ever Oasis but I'm not sure how popular it'll be to become a franchise.
Style Savvy, Bravely Default, Drawn to Life, Magical Vacation/Starsign, Shantae has handheld origins, Nikki can be an overall 3DS rep to bring in stuff like Badge Arcade and the little shopping bag guy from Eshop along with her Swapnote/Swapdoodle origins. Going down the road of characters simply appearing first on a handheld game then Daisy pops up too.
Anyone remember LostMagic? That's obscure, unique, and a handheld rep, it's the perfect combo.
 

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Oh dude if we open up that Non-Video Game can of worms, there's one guy screaming at us right in the face: Captain N. I don't think they'll go THAT far, though.
If Segata Sanshiro made it to Project X Zone, I don't see what could prevent Nintendo to have a non-videogame first-party character cameo in Smash unless it's due to licensing problems.
 

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If Segata Sanshiro made it to Project X Zone, I don't see what could prevent Nintendo to have a non-videogame first-party character cameo in Smash unless it's due to licensing problems.
How about lack of popularity.

Segata had several successful add campaigns spanning years.

No real life Nintendo characters are even close to that.

Remember, Captain N isn't widely beloved like Segata.
 

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How about lack of popularity.

Segata had several successful add campaigns spanning years.

No real life Nintendo characters are even close to that.

Remember, Captain N isn't widely beloved like Segata.
Reggie is.
 

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Reggie is basically just a corny pizza hut manager. I don't think he's widely beloved, he's just a forced meme among Nintendo fanboys.
 

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At best Captain N hits a bit of nostalgia due to many clamoring for that series' references once more characters that appeared in the show got in. MegaMan and Pit being together got the ball rolling.

Of course, it doesn't make it a great choice inherently. I wouldn't mind seeing him as a Trophy(since he has no video game appearances) if we get Simon Belmont in in general. Also, Captain N's version of Mother Brain actually could work well as a boss and/or playable due to a fairly good design for that. Not to say it'd make sense to choose that one(being a non-canon design), but there's a lot more creative attack options with that over her one-eyed cyclops-like appearance in some 3D games. Much like how Bowser Jr. has a lot more options due to being in the Koopa Clown Car.
 

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. I don't think he's widely beloved, he's just a forced meme among Nintendo fanboys.
Er no.

Reggie didn't become a meme out of nowhere.

He's definitely well liked.
 

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Why can't E3 come faster? (Asumming Smash will be there, lol)

I just want good speculation back, or at least know if we will have speculation this time considering the possibility of very few obvious characters or no characters at all is big.
 

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Eh.

I think there's a big difference from a real person and a character played by a real life actor.
Yeah I think you're right honestly.

Reggie is basically just a corny pizza hut manager. I don't think he's widely beloved, he's just a forced meme among Nintendo fanboys.
The fanboys are the ones forcing those memes. They love him. I don't really care for him personally, but he's definitely got hos fair share of fans himself.

That being said, there's no way in hell he should be considered for Smash.
 

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*sigh* More stuff being discussed I don't care about. Seems to be going on a lot these days. Do we really have so little to talk about?

Also, what I'd really like to see in the next Smash is grabs being more complex. We're 4 Smash games down the road now, and only DONKEY KONG from the ORIGINAL SMASH BROS. on NINTENDO 64 can do unique stuff with grabbing. Sure, there's command grabs, but those are basically just Special Moves with a neat extra feature.

If not, that makes Donkey Kong automatically one of the most unique and cool characters on the Smash roster. So that's cool to. :4dk:
 

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Mach Rider would be a great pick imho, and better than Excite Biker. Noone has yet to convince me others.

Mach Rider can easily do everything Excitebiker can do and more. I think more stages from games not represented would be cool. We have assist trophies and now maybe a bit more "other" stages than usual for series that are not playable, and this doesnt need to be just for retro games. I have hopes for a Excite bike stage, panel de pon and Dillons Rolling western. Ever Oasis and project steam might be cool too.

Yeah ik sales and lack of requests/popularity make this less likely. At least they will never stop doing stages for older games.
 

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Oh yeah Mach Rider, I also "supported" that dude coming in but am not really thinking it'll happen this time either. Takamaru was also considered as 'extremely likely' once so that just goes to show how far off most of us where during Smash 4's speculation. :rolleyes:
 
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If Super Smash Bros. for Switch or whatever it'll be called, is announced at E3 I'm looking forward to seeing what and who'll get added!
 

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Oh yeah Mach Rider, I also "supported" that dude coming in but am not really thinking it'll happen this time either. Takamaru was also considered as 'extremely likely' once so that just goes to show how far off most of us where during Smash 4's speculation. :rolleyes:
Takamaru extremely likely? First time I heard that XD.

I was acc very close so I'm part of yet another minority :p
 
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Getting back to the Mario discussion as I was just asking myself...

Why exactly Daisy and especially Waluigi never appeared in a new mainline Super Mario game again?
 

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Getting back to the Mario discussion as I was just asking myself...

Why exactly Daisy and especially Waluigi never appeared in a new mainline Super Mario game again?
They could have easily changed up the NewSMB games by simply adding them in.

Tbh I don't really care tho since I stopped playing Mario platform's. Inb4 they are in oddysey. Daisy could easily be in the Egyptian desert world....

Meanwhile still waiting for an Wario Land 5.
 

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Getting back to the Mario discussion as I was just asking myself...

Why exactly Daisy and especially Waluigi never appeared in a new mainline Super Mario game again?
Bad plots and bad usage of established characters. We can barely get Peach as playable, and as soon as we got that it's likely to be taken away again in Odyssey. Waluigi was also created especially for spin-offs as Wario's partner, so he's very unlikely to turn up in the main Mario games unless Wario does again.
 
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All this talk of Retro reps with no Lip love :urg: y'all are truly sleeping on her chances (which isn't very high but still, she's there).
So I just looked up Mach Rider and wow that is seriously advanced for a NES game. I'm surprised Mach Rider isn't an alt to Cap Falcon yet due to the similarities between them and their games.
It also seems like it would be great inspiration for Mario Kart tracks. I'm surprised we only have the Mach Bike as a reference to that game so far.
 

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All this talk of Retro reps with no Lip love :urg: y'all are truly sleeping on her chances (which isn't very high but still, she's there).
So I just looked up Mach Rider and wow that is seriously advanced for a NES game. I'm surprised Mach Rider isn't an alt to Cap Falcon yet due to the similarities between them and their games.
It also seems like it would be great inspiration for Mario Kart tracks. I'm surprised we only have the Mach Bike as a reference to that game so far.
I mean, I like Lip, but what makes her stand out over her competition?
 

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Takamaru extremely likely? First time I heard that XD.

I was acc very close so I'm part of yet another minority :p
No honestly, before his confirmation as an Assist Trophy, we all thought that Takamaru was about THE most likely character to show up as the new retro character.

Nobody really expected it to become Duck Hunt (Duo) except for @Arcadenik. :4duckhunt:
 
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Mach Rider would be very unique and fun to use with his motorcycle and all, shame about Daisy and Waluigi I'd love too see them in!
 

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I mean, I like Lip, but what makes her stand out over her competition?
The big things: The only character who is most qualified to capitalize on the flower effect(yes I know Jiggs has it in Rest) essentially becoming the first damage-over-time character unless you count Olimar as that, the blocks and mechanics from her game series can be incorporated into her moveset in a variety of ways (though that's true of all candidates).
The small things: Retro/Puzzle/female rep, iirc Sakurai called her game series a masterpiece, Magical Girl archetype? its still pretty popular nowadays, design that stands out among the rest of the roster, her wand has been in the game 3 times now.
She's still pretty unlikely, but as a Retro rep she's certainly up there.
 
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I wonder how different things would have been if Murasame Castle was localized much earlier, maybe back when the Wii was still fresh.

Not that it would have been enough to convince Sakurai however.
 

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I wonder how different things would have been if Murasame Castle was localized much earlier, maybe back when the Wii was still fresh.

Not that it would have been enough to convince Sakurai however.
As much as I want to think about that possibility, it still wouldn't have stopped Duck Hunt's inclusion.

Because he is the bigger man err.... dog in comparison.
 

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If we're ever gonna get a retro puzzle character, I see Lolo and Muddy Mole showing up before Lip.. hell, isn't
Dr. Mario already filling that niche, even if he is a clone?

Also, haven't see one of my favorite games come up yet: NES Pro Wrestling! I'd love to see Great Puma, he can rep the entire game because he has all the special moves.
 

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What about Balloon Fighter for the retro character? Could be a tribute for Iwata since he worked on the game. It's already had an item and stage in Smash before.
 

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What about Balloon Fighter for the retro character? Could be a tribute for Iwata since he worked on the game. It's already had an item and stage in Smash before.
Then there's the people that think Baloon Fighter's chances were killed with Villager taking his Up Special.
 
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What about Balloon Fighter for the retro character? Could be a tribute for Iwata since he worked on the game. It's already had an item and stage in Smash before.
Doesn't Villager's Up B take what Balloon Fighter has to offer?
Actually, that's an amazing idea. I'd main the character who does that.
I'm surprised that no character actually uses the flower effect as a gimmick, it's not even used by a Grass pokeball pokemon with leech seed. It's one of the games status effects that a character can be completely built around. This leads me to believe that the gimmick is reserved for Lip as a fighter, unless someone else comes along and uses it in which case Lip's chances plummet.
 

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Doesn't Villager's Up B take what Balloon Fighter has to offer?
They could have Balloon Fighter's work differently though. Have it be similar to Olimar but instead of plucking Pikmin, he would pump up a balloon if one is popped. He'd have a lot better recovery with two balloons rather than one or none. Maybe could have him be a reverse Little Mac where he plays great in the air but terrible on the ground. Plenty of things they can do to make him unique.
 
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