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[SPOILER ALERT] - The Sevens Squares. - A Square-Enix general support threads.

Who do you think is the most likely possible Square-Enix Newcomer? (Two Choices possibles)


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OptimisticStrifer

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That would be a dream come true. My feeling for Geno ebb and flows constantly. Some days I think he is shoe in and others I just want to give up but I am just proud over the fact that we have stayed in it for so many years.

Even if Geno never happens, I still would like my Mii Costume back. :c
If it makes you feel any better; his chances have never gotten worse; and are at their highest right now. He's a legendary spirit up there with a bunch of, admittedly, more world wide known characters, which certainly say's somthing in my opinion.
 

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I find it completely and utterly baffling that people would suggest Chrono Trigger over Dragon Quest with a straight face. Dragon Quest is more popular in the west as a multimillion dollar gigantic franchise spanning decades, god forbid how it does in Japan. People are treating Joker as if he's some very obscure character, when Persona 5 was one of the biggest and most AAA games of last year and represents a massive franchise. Just because he wasn't predicted in Speculation doesn't mean we can start getting all of these Z list characters, just because the Western Smash Bros speculation isn't that aware of Dragon Quest.

If you are so obsessed with a "shocking" pick, Slime is far more shocking than Geno or Crono due to the nature of the character as a generic enemy. If they want safer and easier to make, they can pick Illuminary/Erdrick. The only real competition is Sora in terms of legacy, and Vergeben has apparently said that Sora will not happen as the Square character due to being "a Disney character."

While it's odd that Nintendo would not pick any Nintendo characters for DLC, they have already eliminated some of their biggest advertisements with Spring Man and Rex and Pyra. I'm in the camp spirits deconfirm, especially with how Reggie is hinting that the rest of the DLC may well be 3rd party only. It's not confirmed, but that seems to be the general implication.
Yes, they are big franchises, but they are behind licensing issues with one of them being shared between them. Aka Bird Studio. Akira Toriyama isn't known for being the easiest to work with. Dragon Quest on top of having Bird Studio a controversial composer.

In case you didn't know, Nintendo removed a feather from Game & Watch because the angry reaction it got because (according to them) it "depicted a racial stereotype" against the native American. If they remove a feather because of this, What has this to do with Dragon Quest composer you might add? Well, some call him a downright Nazi, having extremely anti-LGBTQ opinions and denies the war crimes Japan did during WWII. With that in mind, you could imagine what would happen with today's gaming journalist. It would not be a good PR for Nintendo to say the slightest.
 
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That would be a dream come true. My feeling for Geno ebb and flows constantly. Some days I think he is shoe in and others I just want to give up but I am just proud over the fact that we have stayed in it for so many years.

Even if Geno never happens, I still would like my Mii Costume back. :c
The mii costume didn't return? That's actually really odd lol
 

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If it makes you feel any better; his chances have never gotten worse; and are at their highest right now. He's a legendary spirit up there with a bunch of, admittedly, more world wide known characters, which certainly say's somthing in my opinion.
Are they really all world wide known characters? I wouldn't call the Wind Fish a world wide known Zelda character. It is still a great feeling though.

The mii costume didn't return? That's actually really odd lol
Sadly, it did not.

However, before you look further into this as a hint, none of the 3rd party Mii Costumes came back so it isn't exclusive to Geno's chances.
 
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Yes, they are big franchises, but they are behind licensing issues with one of them being shared between them. Aka Bird Studio. Akira Toriyama isn't known for being the easiest to work with. Dragon Quest on top of having Bird Studio has it's a controversial composer.

In case you didn't know, Nintendo removed a feather from Game & Watch because the angry reaction it got because (according to them) it "depicted a racial stereotype" against the native American. If they remove a feather because of this, What has this to do with Dragon Quest composer you might add? Well, some call him a downright Nazi, having extremely anti-LGBTQ opinions and denies the war crimes Japan did during WWII. With that in mind, you could imagine what would happen with today's gaming journalist. It would not be a good PR for Nintendo to say the slightest.
Bird Studio shouldnt be an issue. Bandai namco is developing the game and Toriyama has worked with them on various occasions for Dragon Ball games.
 

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Yes, they are big franchises, but they are behind licensing issues with one of them being shared between them. Aka Bird Studio. Akira Toriyama isn't known for being the easiest to work with. Dragon Quest on top of having Bird Studio a controversial composer.

In case you didn't know, Nintendo removed a feather from Game & Watch because the angry reaction it got because (according to them) it "depicted a racial stereotype" against the native American. If they remove a feather because of this, What has this to do with Dragon Quest composer you might add? Well, some call him a downright Nazi, having extremely anti-LGBTQ opinions and denies the war crimes Japan did during WWII. With that in mind, you could imagine what would happen with today's gaming journalist. It would not be a good PR for Nintendo to say the slightest.
Also you're comparing an in-game asset that is considered racist to a man who would work on the game, whose music wouldn't remotely evoke anything near racism or other bigotry. Most people wouldn't bat an eye any way. Nintendo also took the feather out for launch's sake without having to deal with controversy before the game came out. With a good chunck of sales already in place, and given Nintendo (the real one, not the puppets in the US) and Sakurai aren't into the political correctness shiz, I guarantee you the composer wouldn't be a problem to them.

Btw, Toriyama isn't a big problem to overcome. Where did you get that idea?
 
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Also you're comparing an in-game asset that is considered racist to a man who would work on the game, whose music wouldn't remotely evoke anything near racism or other bigotry. Most people wouldn't bat an eye any way. Nintendo also took the feather out for launch's sake without having to deal with controversy before the game. With a good chunck of sales already in place, and given Nintendo (the real one, not the puppets in the US) and Sakurai aren't into the political correctness shiz, I guarantee you the composer wouldn't be a problem to them.

Btw, Toriyama isn't a big problem to overcome. Where did you get that idea?
They'd still be giving him money for the rights for the music. Even if his music doesn't contain racist content, it still gives money to a racist individual and allows him to continue to have a platform.
 

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Bird Studio shouldnt be an issue. Bandai namco is developing the game and Toriyama has worked with them on various occasions for Dragon Ball games.
Here's the catch though. Namco Bandai owns the video game license for Dragon Ball. The Dragon Ball games are also purely Dragon Ball games. What I mean by it is this. Akira is said to be someone that demands its creation to be front and center if they ever appear in a crossover. That's why games like Fortune/Boom Street is more Dragon Quest featuring Mario and friends then reversed. That aspect could be a serious problem if they would ever be interested.

Also you're comparing an in-game asset that is considered racist to a man who would work on the game, whose music wouldn't remotely evoke anything near racism or other bigotry. Most people wouldn't bat an eye any way. Nintendo also took the feather out for launch's sake without having to deal with controversy before the game. With a good chunck of sales already in place, and given Nintendo (the real one, not the puppets in the US) and Sakurai aren't into the political correctness shiz, I guarantee you the composer wouldn't be a problem to them.

Btw, Toriyama isn't a big problem to overcome. Where did you get that idea?
Toriyama is based on what I've heard. So granted, I admit that I might have heard some broken telephone stuff But considering how Boom/Fortune Street is presented, and that every crossover Akira creations are in, he takes the center stage. I mean.. who won the fight between Luffy, Toriko and Son Goku in the DBxOPxToriko crossover? Mr Satan. Who got the finishing blow against the big bad in the crossover? Son Goku. Because of this, I'm firm to believe that.

About the composer. That's still giving him money, and being associated with him and giving him money would DQ get a rep, which is what journalist would go ape**** over. That's why it would be bad PR. You could be right that they won't care because the game has sold a **** ton of copies right now. I'm not gonna act like it's a 100% lock that they wouldn't.. But I doubt it would happen
 

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They'd still be giving him money for the rights for the music. Even if his music doesn't contain racist content, it still gives money to a racist individual and allows him to continue to have a platform.
So?
This is not a DQ game, and honestly, nobody gives a crap what he says, when the game would have little to no content from him.
Bigoted people will always have a platform, regardless of your efforts. It's not Smash that will make or break for him. If people really cared for what he said, he would be dipping hard in stuff where he actually gets the biggest ammount of revenue. Like, the concerts he usually does for NHK and the CDs he sells.

And on a separate topic, not regarding Smash directly, but this idea of deplatforming who you disagree with is one of the worst ideas to solve the problem you claim to exist. I know it's hard for politcally correct advocates to understand this, but once you silence the opposition, no matter how right or wrong they are, they will be an underdog and will abuse the toxic oppressor-oppressed narrative that the identity politics people created. They get more support in the end. This PC crowd should have more trust in society's desires and capability of singling out what they don't want.

And finally, I think that the old saying of "Art outlives and is larger than its artist" is something to live by. I don't think people should close their ears and be bothered by the presence of his music, if what you are here for is the art, not the artist. That's my two cents, anyway. If I lived by these rules, I wouldn't have gone or would go watch a Hollywood movie for decades

Toriyama is based on what I've heard. So granted, I admit that I might have heard some broken telephone stuff But considering how Boom/Fortune Street is presented, and that every crossover Akira creations are in, he takes the center stage. I mean.. who won the fight between Luffy, Toriko and Son Goku in the DBxOPxToriko crossover? Mr Satan. Who got the finishing blow against the big bad in the crossover? Son Goku. Because of this, I'm firm to believe that.

About the composer. That's still giving him money, and being associated with him and giving him money would DQ get a rep, which is what journalist would go ape**** over. That's why it would be bad PR. You could be right that they won't care because the game has sold a **** ton of copies right now. I'm not gonna act like it's a 100% lock that they wouldn't.. But I doubt it would happen
I understand where you're coming from, but the G&W stunt was a success for the journalists because of the item in question being an in-game asset.
Complaining because one guy out of likely more than a thousand people involved in the project said something bad wouldn't hurt the game in any way outside of the PC circle that, imho, would buy the game later down the line anyway.
 
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So?
This is not a DQ game, and honestly, nobody gives a crap what he says, when the game would have little to no content from him.
Bigoted people will always have a platform, regardless of your efforts. It's not Smash that will make or break for him. If people really cared for what he said, he would be dipping hard in stuff where he actually gets the biggest ammount of revenue. Like, the concerts he usually does for NHK and the CDs he sells.


And on a separate topic, not regarding Smash directly, but this idea of deplatforming who you disagree with is one of the worst ideas to solve the problem you claim to exist. I know it's hard for politcally correct advocates to understand this, but once you silence the opposition, no matter how right or wrong they are, they will be an underdog and will abuse the toxic oppressor-oppressed narrative that the identity politics people created. They get more support in the end. This PC crowd should have more trust in society's desires and capability of singling out what they don't want.

And finally, I think that the old saying of "Art outlives and is larger than its artist" is something to live by. I don't think people should close their ears and be bothered by the presence of his music, if what you are here for is the art, not the artist. That's my two cents, anyway. If I lived by these rules, I wouldn't have gone or would go watch a Hollywood movie for decades
Seriously. The issue of Sugiyama is incredibly overblown. It's unfortunate but why should we discredit the work of all the people who have worked on Dragon Quest for the past 30+ years just because one of this is a terrible person?
 

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Here's the catch though. Namco Bandai owns the video game license for Dragon Ball. The Dragon Ball games are also purely Dragon Ball games. What I mean by it is this. Akira is said to be someone that demands its creation to be front and center if they ever appear in a crossover. That's why games like Fortune/Boom Street is more Dragon Quest featuring Mario and friends then reversed. That aspect could be a serious problem if they would ever be interested.
I never even considered that. Nice observation.

This would also be a point against Crono, no?
 

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So?
This is not a DQ game, and honestly, nobody gives a crap what he says, when the game would have little to no content from him.
Bigoted people will always have a platform, regardless of your efforts. It's not Smash that will make or break for him. If people really cared for what he said, he would be dipping hard in stuff where he actually gets the biggest ammount of revenue. Like, the concerts he usually does for NHK and the CDs he sells.

And on a separate topic, not regarding Smash directly, but this idea of deplatforming who you disagree with is one of the worst ideas to solve the problem you claim to exist. I know it's hard for politcally correct advocates to understand this, but once you silence the opposition, no matter how right or wrong they are, they will be an underdog and will abuse the toxic oppressor-oppressed narrative that the identity politics people created. They get more support in the end. This PC crowd should have more trust in society's desires and capability of singling out what they don't want.

And finally, I think that the old saying of "Art outlives and is larger than its artist" is something to live by. I don't think people should close their ears and be bothered by the presence of his music, if what you are here for is the art, not the artist. That's my two cents, anyway. If I lived by these rules, I wouldn't have gone or would go watch a Hollywood movie for decades


I understand where you're coming from, but the G&W stunt was a success for the journalists because of the item in question being an in-game asset.
Complaining because one guy out of likely more than a thousand people involved in the project said something bad wouldn't hurt the game in any way outside of the PC circle that, imho, would buy the game later down the line anyway.
I doubt LGBT gamers/ Jewish gamers/ etc "don't give a crap about what he says". That's not nobody. That's a LOT of people.
 

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Yes, they are big franchises, but they are behind licensing issues with one of them being shared between them. Aka Bird Studio. Akira Toriyama isn't known for being the easiest to work with. Dragon Quest on top of having Bird Studio a controversial composer.

In case you didn't know, Nintendo removed a feather from Game & Watch because the angry reaction it got because (according to them) it "depicted a racial stereotype" against the native American. If they remove a feather because of this, What has this to do with Dragon Quest composer you might add? Well, some call him a downright Nazi, having extremely anti-LGBTQ opinions and denies the war crimes Japan did during WWII. With that in mind, you could imagine what would happen with today's gaming journalist. It would not be a good PR for Nintendo to say the slightest.
Whoop de doo, a composer happens to have political opinions. They're a dime a dozen. Persona 5 is already in the game, and it has equally trivial political issues according to the kinds of people who got Mr. Game & Watch's feather removed.
 

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Whoop de doo, a composer happens to have political opinions. They're a dime a dozen. Persona 5 is already in the game, and it has equally trivial political issues according to the kinds of people who got Mr. Game & Watch's feather removed.
Denying Japanese war crimes is a bit more than a "whoop dee doo" political opinion. It kind of puts him dangerously close to actually Nazi sympathizing.
 

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I'm pretty sure Nintendo, who are a corporation first and foremost, wouldn't dismiss the entirety of Dragon Quest solely because of the composer's political views, no matter how ****ty they may be.
 

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I'm pretty sure Nintendo, who are a corporation first and foremost, wouldn't dismiss the entirety of Dragon Quest solely because of the composer's political views, no matter how ****ty they may be.
would they dismiss them? Sadly no. But would they take it into consideration? I think they would.
 

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Denying Japanese war crimes is a bit more than a "whoop dee doo" political opinion. It kind of puts him dangerously close to actually Nazi sympathizing.
I'm not saying those opinions don't matter. We wouldn't be having this discussion in the first place if they didn't matter. But it's just a composer. It's not like it's Akira Toriyama or the creator of Dragon Quest. You can't blame an entire series over one person's involvement when they're not even one of the main people involved.

If Sugiyama stops Dragon Quest from getting in, it would be because of him being ridiculously stingy on the rights to the music and demanding far more of a cut than his mediocre music is worth. He's growing senile, that's for sure. It won't be because of him sympathizing with Nazis.
 
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Dragon Quest's popularity worldwide is sorely underrated, it was brought back from the brink in K. Rool-esque fashion after the first musou game, and IIRC DQ11 sold over a million outside Japan already. From what everyone's saying now you'd think it was a niche little JRPG that sold 50k copies.

Sugiyama's controversy is overblown, he's a political idealist, not a monster. Not the first person to have wacky political opinions attached to a massive IP. He could be a flat earther and it'd make no difference.
 
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I doubt LGBT gamers/ Jewish gamers/ etc "don't give a crap about what he says". That's not nobody. That's a LOT of people.
Newsflash. I'm both LGBT and Jewish and I couldn't give a **** about someone's political view as long as they don't push it on me.
Everyone have their opinion.
Do what you want in your house, I do what I want in mine.

You don't accept my point of view? Fine.
I don't accept yours? fine.

Doesn't mean I can't enjoy your music, or a book you write.

The person is bad. The product is not.

C'est la vie. That's how lifes work. If I had to bother about all of this, I wouldn't buy like 95% of big product because their constructor helped Nazis's economy during WWII

Try this, and see how hard it is to live with that point of view you have.
 

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I'm not saying those opinions don't matter. We wouldn't be having this discussion in the first place if they didn't matter. But it's just a composer. It's not like it's Akira Toriyama or the creator of Dragon Quest. You can't blame an entire series over one person's involvement when they're not even one of the main people involved.

If Sugiyama stops Dragon Quest from getting in, it would be because of him being ridiculously stingy on the rights to the music and demanding far more of a cut than his mediocre music is worth. He's growing senile, that's for sure. It won't be because of him sympathizing with Nazis.
I just couldn't see Nintendo taking that risk. I would certainly feel like Nintendo would lose a bit of integrity if they shelled out money for his music. And music is a big emphasized part of this DLC season.
 

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Dragon Quest's popularity worldwide is sorely underrated, it was brought back from the brink in K. Rool-esque fashion after the first musou game, and IIRC DQ11 sold over a million outside Japan already. From what everyone's saying now you'd think it was a niche little JRPG that sold 50k copies.

Sugiyama's controversy is overblown, he's a political idealist, not a monster. Not the first person to have wacky political opinions attached to a massive IP. He could be a flat earther and it'd make no difference.
Basically this. This board really needs to stop sleeping on this franchise.

Also, your username is great lmao.
 

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I just don't want someone who hate's my guts and think I am a sin against nature should get his name in lights on my favorite, family friendly Nintendo game. But some people can just let that fly.
 

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I doubt LGBT gamers/ Jewish gamers/ etc "don't give a crap about what he says". That's not nobody. That's a LOT of people.
Do you even know a bit of history?
The Japanese in WW2 were allies of the Nazis, but they weren't responsible for the killing of Jews. They are responsible for the killings of other people.
The Jews don't visually nor ideally identify the Japanese by default as one of their murderers.

And yes, there are many people who are lesbians, gays, bis and even trans people in freaking Japan buying the game, let alone worldwide.
Bc the truth is, his controversial quote was on war crimes. Not on LGBT issues. A controversial Japanese politician came to his show and made such statements. He never laughed or was endorsing that the LGBT suicide rates are higher. He was laughing at her story with the burocrat discussing the issue. I guess you get your info from your social bubble and never looked for the source of information. Bc if you did, even if he denied the Japanese being responsible for prostituting women in WW2, you would see that a lot of the controversy was overblown more by the politician's statements on his show rather than his own. I'm not saying he is innocent or that he is a good man or that he would never say a bad thing, but I'm calling out that the controversy was way overblown by the PC crowd, and obviously, they distorted information along the way to help their cause even more with this narrative.

Newsflash. I'm both LGBT and Jewish and I couldn't give a **** about someone's political view as long as they don't push it on me.
Everyone have their opinion.
Do what you want in your house, I do what I want in mine.

You don't accept my point of view? Fine.
I don't accept yours? fine.

Doesn't mean I can't enjoy your music, or a book you write.

The person is bad. The product is not.

C'est la vie. That's how lifes work. If I had to bother about all of this, I wouldn't buy like 95% of big product because their constructor helped Nazis's economy during WWII

Try this, and see how hard it is to live with that point of view you have.
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Do you even know a bit of history?
The Japanese in WW2 were allies of the Nazis, but they weren't responsible for the killing of Jews. They are responsible for the killings of other people.
The Jews don't visually nor ideally identify the Japanese by default as one of their murderers.

And yes, there are many people who are lesbians, gays, bis and even trans people in freaking Japan buying the game, let alone worldwide.
Bc the truth is, his controversial quote was on war crimes. Not on LGBT issues. A controversial Japanese politician came to his show and made such statements. He never laughed or was endorsing that the LGBT suicide rates are higher. He was laughing at her story with the burocrat discussing the issue. I guess you get your info from your social bubble and never looked for the source of information. Bc if you did, even if he denied the Japanese being responsible for prostituting women in WW2, you would see that a lot of the controversy was overblown more by the politician's statements on his show rather than his own. I'm not saying he is innocent or that he is a good man or that he would never say a bad thing, but I'm calling out that the controversy was way overblown by the PC crowd, and obviously, they distorted information along the way to fit their cause.



I love you dude
Yikes; I dunno if I wanna keep debating with you. The way you word things makes me kind of...unsettled. Let's just... agree to disagree.
 

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Yikes; I dunno if I wanna keep debating with you. The way you word things makes me kind of...unsettled. Let's just... agree to disagree.
What? Are you frightened that a historic fact disproved your narrative?

And saying that the controversy blew out of proportion bc of political tendency is unsettling? Ok, I guess?
I don't know why you would feel that way when I haven't said anything remotely scary nor oppressive.

I already know your political ideology, and I'm not disrespecting anyone for their political ideas in any way.
I advocate for free speech above all else.
 
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What? Are you frightened that a historic fact disproved your narrative?

And saying that the controversy blew out of proportion bc of political tendency is unsettling? Ok, I guess?
I don't know why you would feel that way when I haven't said anything remotely scary nor oppressive.
I've just seen these kinds of word choices in... certain other sectors of the internet, is all.
 
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Whoop de doo, a composer happens to have political opinions. They're a dime a dozen. Persona 5 is already in the game, and it has equally trivial political issues according to the kinds of people who got Mr. Game & Watch's feather removed.
And that is if you don't mind me asking because I haven't heard of it
 
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I've just seen these kinds of word choices in... certain other sectors of the internet, is all.
Oh, you mean the sector of the internet that isn't PC?
Yes, I'm against PC culture. So? I'm willing to debate you even though I know you certainly are an advocate for it.
And differently from what your bubble tells you of people who live outside the ideological realm you reside in, I don't think you're a lesser human being because of you disagreeing with me or pulling for this kind of thinking.
 
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You guys really need to shut the **** up about issues you don't comprehend. Sugiyama is a ****ty ass person and he shoud be distanced from the DQ franchise. Saying the holocaust didn't happen isn't an opinion. Saying LGBT people are useless isn't opinion. Such things have no place in our world and we shouldn't shrug them under the rug.
The problem lies that while future games could go on without his involvement, past games are forever related by his music. As much as I wish his work never touched Smash, it'd be throwing away the work of other people who are likely decent people and that's simply not fair to them or their fans. If I could, DQ wouldn't get any of his songs but unfortunately, it's not that simple.

That said, ya'll really need to stop latching on the first minority who says they disagree with another one from their group. This isn't directed at Nekoo btw, but the people who go:
LGBT person: "I don't like this thing because I find it offensive"
That guy: "Ugh, stop whining about this, no one cares"
Other LGBT person: "I don't find it offensive"
That guy: "Finally a voice of reason!"

I saw it happening way too much on this page and I'd like ya'll to realize the person who agrees with you doesn't represent the entire LGBT community.
Source: my bi ass
 
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Basically this. This board really needs to stop sleeping on this franchise.

Also, your username is great lmao.
Yep - Persona is very popular, but it's sold less than DQ11 worldwide. Most of those sales are in Japan... but the same is true for Persona.

I don't think many of those offended by Sugiyama's "controversy" read the interview. I see all sorts of misunderstanding, especially because of poor translation, it's way overblown. I'm not going to say it's all virtue signalling or pure politics, just a case of context being lost in translation.
 

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I saw it happening way too much on this page and I'd like ya'll to realize the person who agrees with you doesn't represent the entire LGBT community.
That was the point I wanted to make while speaking up.
Everyone have their opinion on the matters, we can't make everyone happy. This will be an endless and useless debate no matter what.
 

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Honestly if this Composer wasn't involved with DQ; I couldn't even muster up this much outrage. It would just kind of seem generic for me. But there is a REASON I am vehemently against the franchise entering Smash Brother.
 

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You guys really need to shut the **** up about issues you don't comprehend. Sugiyama is a ****ty *** person and he shoud be distanced from the DQ franchise. Saying the holocaust didn't happen isn't an opinion. Saying LGBT people are useless isn't opinion. Such things have no place in our world and we shouldn't shrug them under the rug.
The problem lies that while future games could go on without his involvement, past games are forever related by his music. As much as I wish his work never touched Smash, it'd be throwing away the work of other people who are likely decent people and that's simply not fair to them or their fans. If I could, DQ wouldn't get any of his songs but unfortunately, it's not that simple.

That said, ya'll really need to stop latching on the first minority who says they disagree with another one from their group. This isn't directed at Nekoo btw, but the people who go:
LGBT person: "I don't like this thing because I find it offensive"
That guy: "Ugh, stop whining about this, no one cares"
Other LGBT person: "I don't find it offensive"
That guy: "Finally a voice of reason!"

I saw it happening way too much on this page and I'd like ya'll to realize the person who agrees with you doesn't represent the entire LGBT community.
Source: my bi ***
Lmfao, he never denied the Holocaust. He denied the **** crimes Japan commited in WW2.
Also, learn how to deal with other people having a different oppinion than yours.
You're way too entitled if you think someone who isn't into some part of the PC narrative and is also a LGBT doesn't represent the LGBT community.
You're 100% calling for identity politics. LGBTs aren't a homogenous group who think the same way. There are people with different opinions, and they shouldn't have their opinion disregarded bc they don't agree on something with some ideological elite trying to push for a narrative they want.

This is why identity politics is in the decline, with many people increasingly being against it. Respect difference within groups before claiming to fight for them. And understand that everyone is an individual and everyone has their own opinion and should be respected and allowed to freely express it.
 
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That was the point I wanted to make while speaking up.
Everyone have their opinion on the matters, we can't make everyone happy. This will be an endless and useless debate no matter what.
Look man, I love ya but saying everyone has their opinions when people are trying to argue denying war crimes and calling LGBT people useless is just a "political opinion" is obviously not gonna come off the right way.
Lmfao, he never denied the Holocaust. He denied the **** crimes Japan commited in WW2.
You could have simply told me that instead of laughing at my face as if it's a funny subject.
Also, learn how to deal with other people having a different oppinion than yours.
Really? I'm the one who needs to learn that? When it's you who can't seem to accept some people simply not wanting a video game to cross over with another? Or who can't accept people don't like bigots?
I'm the one who can't handle different opinions? I'm the one insulting and harassing someone else for not having the same opinions as me? God, get some self awareness.
You're 100% calling for identity politics. LGBTs aren't a homogenous group who think the same way. There are people with different opinions, and they shouldn't have their opinion disregarded bc they don't agree on something with some ideological elite trying to push for a narrative they want.
Did you even read my ****ing post?
 
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Could we please just drop this whole thing before it gets worse?
 

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This is not a DQ game, and honestly, nobody gives a crap what he says, when the game would have little to no content from him.
Bigoted people will always have a platform, regardless of your efforts. It's not Smash that will make or break for him. If people really cared for what he said, he would be dipping hard in stuff where he actually gets the biggest ammount of revenue. Like, the concerts he usually does for NHK and the CDs he sells.

And on a separate topic, not regarding Smash directly, but this idea of deplatforming who you disagree with is one of the worst ideas to solve the problem you claim to exist. I know it's hard for politcally correct advocates to understand this, but once you silence the opposition, no matter how right or wrong they are, they will be an underdog and will abuse the toxic oppressor-oppressed narrative that the identity politics people created. They get more support in the end. This PC crowd should have more trust in society's desires and capability of singling out what they don't want.

And finally, I think that the old saying of "Art outlives and is larger than its artist" is something to live by. I don't think people should close their ears and be bothered by the presence of his music, if what you are here for is the art, not the artist. That's my two cents, anyway. If I lived by these rules, I wouldn't have gone or would go watch a Hollywood movie for decades


I understand where you're coming from, but the G&W stunt was a success for the journalists because of the item in question being an in-game asset.
Complaining because one guy out of likely more than a thousand people involved in the project said something bad wouldn't hurt the game in any way outside of the PC circle that, imho, would buy the game later down the line anyway.

While I see what you mean, I don' think gaming journalist does. For the record, I lean to the left part of politics, but even I know and thinks that GJ is a bit... how should I put it... overdramatic? (And this is coming from someone living in Sweden where rightwing politics would be seen as communism in the US.)

But anyway, even if the music isn't a problem, there is the potential issue with Akira Toriyama. which is part of why I don't think Crono or DQ will happen. I just think there are big characters that Square has that would be far easier to obtain even if Square wants to push DQ.

For example, going outside the list. Nekku from world ends with you is a recent Square release that I'm fairly certain was a Switch exclusive. It's a fairly new franchise that has its fanbase, that I could see Square want to try and push... It's also a wacky character that I could see Sakurai see moveset potential in.
 
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Drop the Sugiyama talk, please. It clearly just creates more turmoil and isn't worth it. It's also going too far into politics and is highly off-topic. Let's move on.
 

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