Social Stuff that ends in fair..... A Sheik Social Thread!

[Crooked Crow]

I love it when you post. ^

Also, hi. Been a while since I've popped in here.

 

[joejoe22802]

Hey ya'll. Wondering if I could get some advice.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jP-bvGuXobo&feature=channel_video_title

 

[The Good Doctor]

I should have a video coming against a really good local Samus!

 

[KirbyKaze]

joejoe:

You seem afraid to hit Peach with... anything. Well, anything but aerials. Here's some general stuff about the matchup. Specifics for you are after.


vs Floating Peach

just slap her out of her float she's close enough. then do sheik combos like fair > f-tilt > fair or whatever you can.

otherwise just charge needles and wd back, or do similar spacing games until she *is* close enough. walking forward and f-tilting is okay if she's not out of the f-tilt's vertical range.


vs grounded Peach

run around and look for chances to grab her. avoid being dash attacked. avoid being down tilted. avoid being down smashed. if you're kind of far from her, it's worthwhile to charge needles (and throw them every now and then) to see if you can coax her into shielding or jumping (so you can counter it).

random tip: you can sh nair through turnip > aerial approaches and then combo off the nair. it's very good.

you can space aerials on grounded peach but i don't recommend anything but bair, fair, and aerial needles at low percents.



for you, specifically, you need to grab a lot more than you currently are. so often you put pressure on his shield and land stray hits but a lot of it could be replaced with "grab" and it would work, do more damage, setup better, etc.

you're also jumping with aerials a lot when he's clearly baiting it for dash dance > dash attack (or similar). here are some alternatives to diversify your game: wavelanding away, empty sh > block, or simply using sheik's better ground mobility + evasion + shield to beat peach's ground game.

use more uair in combos.

 

[3chairz]

Hey guys! I've always known that there was a social thread, but for some reason never thought about posting here.

btw you know how characters like falcon and spacies always have these random videos with fun stuff like 6 knees or highest % to shine bair (with falco)? I feel like sheik should have that too. Like a weird combo video or something.

I think that a combo that starts with or incorporates run off up b would be pretty damn cool. I'm thinking like fair -> run off up b (I think if you do it right, you can just float off and grab the ledge without puffing) -> ledgehop uair -> utilt -> soft nair or bair -> dash attack -> utilt -> tipper usmash on ganon maybe?

 

[KirbyKaze]

Maybe something cool with Poof could be done on Jungle Japes.

 

[Teczer0]

Someone get soap here.

He's the only one that would know lol

 

[Oro?!]

Hi Haley.

Why are you bad?

 

[Teczer0]

I don't play this game thats why Kyle.

 

[soap]

I think that a combo that starts with or incorporates run off up b would be pretty damn cool. I'm thinking like fair -> run off up b (I think if you do it right, you can just float off and grab the ledge without puffing) -> ledgehop uair -> utilt -> soft nair or bair -> dash attack -> utilt -> tipper usmash on ganon maybe?

this is kind of nonsense, you can't plan your combos out that far

to start with, the poof won't connect off the fair. try downthrow near the edge, or dash attack/ftilt di'ed away. something with a 45ish degree launch over the edge

Maybe something cool with Poof could be done on Jungle Japes.

loool

Someone get soap here.

He's the only one that would know lol

rewinding back to a time where I actually played

 

[standardtoaster]

 

[Jolteon]

@Poof shenanigans:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8jm4DMelqc&t=11m19s

 

[Teczer0]

Hopefully like a blueberry waffle.

mmmmmmmm

 

[FlipX]

So you can dash attack and boost grab WAY after your dash animation. Is this common knowledge? It seems so good with tech chasing. If you are in one of those spots where you know that fox is going to get the spot dodge in but you just go for the the grab anyway, you can do dash to delayed boost grab to beat it (in theory, I haven't actually tried it yet). Seems better than just walking up and waiting/hoping for a spot dodge because they aren't really forced to use it if you do that, the dash is more threatening. And worst comes to worst you can just dash dance out of it. So many options mannnnn.

Meta game broken.

 

[joejoe22802]

Thanks Kirby. Really gives me an outline to work with. I like how you put it hahaha

 

[-Vocal-]

Whoa, just saw this video for the first time: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWHqCMKxlDA&feature=autoplay&list=PL8D16A6F1C3B949E2&lf=results_main&playnext=2

KirbyKaze, that third stock string literally make me drop my jaw and say "what the ****." LITERALLY. That was insane man.

 

[Mr Wizzrobe]

Hey Vocal what's that brown stuff on your nose?

Seriously, though, that was definitely one of the best Sheik combos ever on a space animal.

 

[-Vocal-]

Hey Vocal what's that brown stuff on your nose?

Seriously, though, that was definitely one of the best Sheik combos ever on a space animal.

Seriously. Amsah's combo creativity is always impressive and M2K's gimps are incredible, but that combo right there is the single greatest combo I have seen from any Sheik ever. Mad props

 

[gm jack]

I know it had been done before, but KK really proved that Sheik is more than tilt -> fair (or dthrow stuff if you're ntsc).

 

[KirbyKaze]

Thanks Kirby. Really gives me an outline to work with. I like how you put it hahaha

I forgot 3 useful things...

1. Bair ***** her if she's in range to be Baired out of her float.

2. If she's doing a lot of turnip > aerial approaches, after like 40%+ you can Nair through them and then follow with... stuff. The reason you need to wait is because if you will just be counterattacked at lower percent and trading is bad.

3. Bair works vs turnip > aerial approaches at a lot of ranges because her leg is out for longer and other stuff so low percents if you want to interrupt them, do that. Or develop a catch game like Amsah. Or both, since versatility *****.





edit:

Uhhh, thanks guys about that combo but I've done that combo (and several others like it) about a hundred times. Probably more, actually.

But yeah, Sheik actually has a really complex, interesting combo game that can lead to absolutely vicious KOs. There's a lot of stuff people don't really know or bother figuring out about this character. Dair is crazy good and leads to some really sick stuff. There's also a bunch of really neat ways to use it. Needles still aren't used anywhere near their full potential. I'm realizing they're actually a really good combo finisher on floaties just because it's easy to hit them on a floaty after a Fair and it adds like 18% to your combo. Up smash is also a really cool move with a lot of useful little properties. Uair has a lot of useful stuff about it too and is really fun to combo with in general. She's got a lot of fun stuff. People just never use it.

 

[Teczer0]

And here I thought the entire character centered around 3 moves.

Just like everyone else who hates on sheik for no reason.

 

[Mr Wizzrobe]

Gay > Fun according to most Sheiks, I guess.

I find Dair combos with Sheik to be so satisfying. It's almost like a stomp > knee except...Sheik.

 

[KirbyKaze]

Gay > Effective according to most Sheiks, I guess.

Fix'd

Her aerials all do like 12-13%. Her tilts do like 7-8%. Her aerials have less lag after hitting because l-cancel lag is not much, and more favourable trajectories (so you probably get more hits). You still have weak hitboxes to use at high percents. These are all very good traits.

 

[Mr Wizzrobe]

I guess I was thinking more along the lines of reverse fair if anything else when it came to "fun stuff."

I understand, though. Sheik seems to be largely untapped at high level, based on what you posted before. Why do you think that is?

 

[Jolteon]

Because most sheik players like to use sub-optimal combos.

I dunno why, they just do lol.

 

[KirbyKaze]

I understand, though. Sheik seems to be largely untapped at high level, based on what you posted before. Why do you think that is?

Because f-tilt > fair works on everyone. So why ever try to do something better?

 

[darkatma]

I'm gonna forward the sheik metagame lolols

 

[Mr Wizzrobe]

I'm tempted to switch to Falco again.

 

[KirbyKaze]

I'm gonna forward the sheik metagame lolols

we got this. you and me against the world!

 

[crush]

we got this. you and me against the world!

can I play?

 

[-Vocal-]

I'd like to forward metagame but I don't think I even have a large enough grasp on the basics Is DTilt a good move to use? I use it fairly often but I can't quite tell if it's a bad idea or not.

 

[crush]

Whenever I play falcon against sheik I hate it when she d tilts cuz she gets to tilt my shield and I can't shieldgrab her cuz she's too low and its hard to Nair her.

 

[Jolteon]

dtilt is a good anti aerial move

 

[-Vocal-]

Is Utilt usually good for disrupting spacies or is it simply just good against my friend when he plays spacies?

 

[KirbyKaze]

omfg down tilt is good why are we discussing this

 

[Jolteon]

all her tilts are good, to put it simply.

 

[-Vocal-]

4 whole days without a single post? Tsk tsk Sheiks, I need something to read when I come here to browse late at night - otherwise what's the point of lurking?

 

[AlcyoNite]

omfg down tilt is good why are we discussing this

cuz ppl like to dtilt spam until they get shield grabbed thats why

 

[joejoe22802]

How does one go from winning consistently to being dominant.

 

[Teczer0]

How does one go from winning consistently to being dominant.

Motivation and drive.

Also, freakin Jman is too hard to beat