payasofobia
Smash Champion
Is this it?
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TDB: SEASON 2! LEON (RE4) vs LARA CROFT
- Thread starter JOE!
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you still need to take out ridiculous factors, you take the other factors as special cases.
that's how science works
EDIT: paya, he's got strength, speed, brains, equipment, and stealth
the bold part might have been what we were missing
Salem
Smash Champion
Can we just use wind waker ganondorf instead? he has two freakin swords. >_>
@payas:
Its the gerudo thing...
Ray_Kalm
Smash Master
@Xeph:
10 characters.
payasofobia
Smash Champion
We are using all 3 ganons.
WW ganondorf is like a guy straight out of Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon. He friggin flies.
justaway12
Smash Master
Do not take NES into consideration, Ray!
Ray I already showed RELs post >.>
Ray I already showed RELs post >.>
Salem
Smash Champion
Then let's just use ganon's jumping over bowser advantage cause of ganon's gerudo power to allow him to do so.
Then ganon can auto win this. >_>
Ray_Kalm
Smash Master
Yes, but even without those, Bowser's average height isn't 13 to 16 feet like Joe is saying.
He's 7-8 feet tall. 9 at max.
JOE!
Smash Hero
what factors would those be? if anything it would be the sports titles due to them not being Canon.
@RAY:
you goon, i used your data to figure this out.
Mario is static, while bowser changes, so we used mario as a comparison to measure bowser.
Take algebra next year in school
@justaway:
if we arent using NES sprites, that leaves us with an actually bigger bowser due to the average losing some data where he is oly a tad bigger than mario
payasofobia
Smash Champion
Doubt it, being a thief is going to do little against Bowser.
And the super strenght is hard to exlain if he looks so human-like.
And the super strenght is hard to exlain if he looks so human-like.
Ray_Kalm
Smash Master
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bx0Yfg6EasQ&feature=related
Yes, you're right. Go to 1:42 - 1:50 of that video.
Ganondorf freaken jumps 10 feet into the air, then turns around behind Link. That is what you call stealth.
justaway12
Smash Master
@Paya:It's probably adrenaline
@Ray: Bowser jumps high too!Higher, actually >.>
And how is Link 10 ft? You said he was 5 or 7 before >.>
@Ray: Bowser jumps high too!Higher, actually >.>
And how is Link 10 ft? You said he was 5 or 7 before >.>
Ray_Kalm
Smash Master
@Joe: It'd be easier to just estimate the average, like I did. Don't include the non-canonical games nor the NES games.
Salem
Smash Champion
Ganon is lighter so he jumps higher...
xepherthree
Smash Ace
And Bowser is 17ft.
That doesn't really matter.
payasofobia
Smash Champion
Adrenaline does not make you jump that high....
Besides, Bowser has adrenaline too.
Adumb, is it adrenaline?
Or gerudo body?
Or being a thief?
Or none of those?
Besides, Bowser has adrenaline too.
Adumb, is it adrenaline?
Or gerudo body?
Or being a thief?
Or none of those?
justaway12
Smash Master
@Salem: But he has such heavy armour...
Bowser jumped higher in 64, even though it would be impossible to jump that high, it should be limited to the highest possible, that he can, with his body and everything.
@Paya: I was talking about the super strenght thing
Bowser jumped higher in 64, even though it would be impossible to jump that high, it should be limited to the highest possible, that he can, with his body and everything.
@Paya: I was talking about the super strenght thing
REL38
Smash Lord
Or Game mechanic
Unless you guys explain how his muscles would achieve such things as jumping 10 feet, I'll continue to see this as worthless game mechanic not achievable IRL.
Same goes for super strength. Game plot or mechanic unless explained.
Unless you guys explain how his muscles would achieve such things as jumping 10 feet, I'll continue to see this as worthless game mechanic not achievable IRL.
Same goes for super strength. Game plot or mechanic unless explained.
Ray_Kalm
Smash Master
No, he's not.
payasofobia
Smash Champion
Bowser has adrenaline too.
It can't be that.
It can't be that.
Salem
Smash Champion
Thats the game.
this is semi RL.
And seriously, this is basicly...
Heavy armor vs Giant Spike Shell
Who will jump higher?
It should be obvious.
Also remember ganon's gerudo strength.
Ray_Kalm
Smash Master
You know, that's like saying Bowser's fire is a game mechanic? Ganon jumped that high because that's how the game creators wanted him to be; flexible.
adumbrodeus
Smash Legend
Wow, I really got people active thinking on this match-up.
No, Bowser's dis-proportionality DOES cause him issues, remember?
But he's a Koopa, his species is different, so if we can figure out a way for it to work, we will.
Humans on the other hand, have a problem with this.
IF WE ALLOWED A SUPERDERFORMED CHARACTER TO WORK THAT REALLY SHOULD SUCK WE SHOULD GO BACK AND CHANGE THE MATCH-UP!
Period. Notice how I never supported wario, except against Sonic.
And I see that, but already wrote the post.
I've consistently shown a great deal of knowledge in certain areas in this thread.
*facepalm*
No, Bowser's dis-proportionality DOES cause him issues, remember?
But he's a Koopa, his species is different, so if we can figure out a way for it to work, we will.
Humans on the other hand, have a problem with this.
IF WE ALLOWED A SUPERDERFORMED CHARACTER TO WORK THAT REALLY SHOULD SUCK WE SHOULD GO BACK AND CHANGE THE MATCH-UP!
Period. Notice how I never supported wario, except against Sonic.
Fixed.
And I see that, but already wrote the post.
Mine.
Not his, mine.
I've consistently shown a great deal of knowledge in certain areas in this thread.
xepherthree
Smash Ace
I'll believe you if you show proof of how bowser is 7 ft.
Tell he how high you estimated bowser for all non canons, ie: Super Mario Bros. x: Bowser is x feet tall.
If your math is flawless, Ganondorf will win. Fair?
justaway12
Smash Master
You don't understand, you said the super strength thing for Ganon was hard to explain, it was probably adrenaline, Bowser still has this, IMO
Canon has nothing to do with ridiculous factors. If we have many different sources and there are ones way off from what would observationally be an average, it wont apply as it drastically changes the outcome and would be false information. That's why they are special cases.
look where I bold this one
special cases.Ganon's actually taller in TP than OoT.
Let's start from Bowser's first actual appearance.
He's 8'7 feet tall here.
Hard to tell exactly how large Bowser was in 1991, what with his baffling, surely drug induced contraption that defies categorization. However, we can see his spiky hair has blossomed into a mousse-caked Royal Mane of the Mushroom Kingdom.
Bowser somehow shrunk himself down to roughly the same size as Mario for a friendly putting about on the go-kart course in Super Mario Kart.
You probably never heard of Mario's Time Machine before, because barely anyone played it. Mario's roughly the same size as Bowser.
This Mario sprite found in the remake of the first SMB game stayed about the same, but Super Mario actually drops a few pixels from his original size. As seen at the very first picture, he used to be ALOT taller.
Mid 90s. It may look like Bowser's squatting down, but that's how he stands. Roughly the same size.
THIS ONE
Mamma mia! Now this is a drastic departure from every previous game. Bowser has grown tremendously and it’s plainly clear why that is – Nintendo needed Mario 64 to blow everyone away, and a same-sized villain just wouldn’t resonate as much as a towering, fire-breathing menace. They had the technology, they rebuilt him.
As you can see, Mario, who once saw eye to eye with King Bowser, now neatly fits in the latter’s mouth. Amazingly enough, he becomes even larger in the sequel.
Mario and Bowser are back to their regular heights again, less than a year after Super Mario 64’s king-sized baddie.
Dear lord, what is Bowser suppose to be here? He looks like seven orange rectangles trying to get it on with a beehive. He's almost twice the size as Mario here.
Mario's sitting down and they still look roughly the same size. Either that or Mario's feet are hella small.
THIS ONE
Cripes man, you’re huge! As strange as it is to have the final battle take place in a giant septic bathtub, it’s even stranger to see how little regard Nintendo placed on the duo’s relative size.Realize how far away the camera is – if you pull in, and had Mario lay at Bowser’s feet, this would be the biggest he’s ever been by a long shot.
Another sports game, another roughly equivalent pair of competitors. Funny how Bowser’s only scaled down when other people are looking; when it’s just him and Mario squaring off, poof, he’s suddenly huge.
Mentioned this in a few pictures back, Bowser isn't squatting, he's standing up.
Eh.
THIS ONE
Hm, he’s certainly quite large, probably more so than the N64 Bowser, yet he’s significantly tinier than Sunshine. Maybe it was the warm tropical air of Delfino Island that swelled him to such great heights – who knows?
Well, there you have it. If you average his size from all these games, he'd only be 1-2 feets taller than Mario. How tall is that? - Around 7 feet.
I still think it's a stealth/strength wumbo combo
EDIT: I'VE GOT IT!
ADUM IT'S TACTICS
payasofobia
Smash Champion
Medieval Weaponry And Tactics?
JOE!
Smash Hero
if you say so Ray, here we go:
Discluding and Non Canon appearances, or NES stuff:
2+2.5+1.5+3.5+12+2+4.5 = 28
/7= 4 marios average height
if mario is 4'11":
4 x 4 = 16ft
4 x 11 = +44inches/12 = +3.7ft (3'8.4")
total: 19'8.4"
if mario is 5'1":
4 x 5 = 20ft
4 x 1 = +4 inches
total: 20'4"
Ray_Kalm
Smash Master
@Xeph: I'll re-quote this for you.
His average will only be 7-8 feet tall from these games (excluding the non-canonical ones).Ganon's actually taller in TP than OoT.
Let's start from Bowser's first actual appearance.
He's 8'7 feet tall here.
Hard to tell exactly how large Bowser was in 1991, what with his baffling, surely drug induced contraption that defies categorization. However, we can see his spiky hair has blossomed into a mousse-caked Royal Mane of the Mushroom Kingdom.
Bowser somehow shrunk himself down to roughly the same size as Mario for a friendly putting about on the go-kart course in Super Mario Kart.
You probably never heard of Mario's Time Machine before, because barely anyone played it. Mario's roughly the same size as Bowser.
This Mario sprite found in the remake of the first SMB game stayed about the same, but Super Mario actually drops a few pixels from his original size. As seen at the very first picture, he used to be ALOT taller.
Mid 90s. It may look like Bowser's squatting down, but that's how he stands. Roughly the same size.
Mamma mia! Now this is a drastic departure from every previous game. Bowser has grown tremendously and it’s plainly clear why that is – Nintendo needed Mario 64 to blow everyone away, and a same-sized villain just wouldn’t resonate as much as a towering, fire-breathing menace. They had the technology, they rebuilt him.
As you can see, Mario, who once saw eye to eye with King Bowser, now neatly fits in the latter’s mouth. Amazingly enough, he becomes even larger in the sequel.
Mario and Bowser are back to their regular heights again, less than a year after Super Mario 64’s king-sized baddie.
Dear lord, what is Bowser suppose to be here? He looks like seven orange rectangles trying to get it on with a beehive. He's almost twice the size as Mario here.
Mario's sitting down and they still look roughly the same size. Either that or Mario's feet are hella small.
Cripes man, you’re huge! As strange as it is to have the final battle take place in a giant septic bathtub, it’s even stranger to see how little regard Nintendo placed on the duo’s relative size.Realize how far away the camera is – if you pull in, and had Mario lay at Bowser’s feet, this would be the biggest he’s ever been by a long shot.
Another sports game, another roughly equivalent pair of competitors. Funny how Bowser’s only scaled down when other people are looking; when it’s just him and Mario squaring off, poof, he’s suddenly huge.
Mentioned this in a few pictures back, Bowser isn't squatting, he's standing up.
Eh.
Hm, he’s certainly quite large, probably more so than the N64 Bowser, yet he’s significantly tinier than Sunshine. Maybe it was the warm tropical air of Delfino Island that swelled him to such great heights – who knows?
Well, there you have it. If you average his size from all these games, he'd only be 1-2 feets taller than Mario. How tall is that? - Around 7 feet.
Salem
Smash Champion
It's not adrenaline, remember the ZSS match-up? with her broken "chozo" power and sudden electrolyzer or whatever?
Ganon has his gerudo strength to allow him to jump high like that.
Rsflone
Smash Cadet
Ray you seem to be the only one complaining Bowser being 7ft every one was content with 10ft now you've made it worse so he's 13-17ft give that up he's massive compared to Ganon
and 300lb Ganons not going to jump 10ft we make Bowser walk on all 4s and Stand on 2 to fight your trying to make Ganon mini Superman to win and he's not
Definitely Tactics
RSF- Ganondorf is not 300lbs. and he's 8ft+
use this and the posts above to think it over again.
Ray_Kalm
Smash Master
@Salem: Good point you made there.
@Joe: Estimate his average WITHOUT using Mario.
payasofobia
Smash Champion
I believe that's the reason why we let you decide the Fire Emblem MU.
justaway12
Smash Master
@Salem:I wasn't in the ZSS match up =/
Anyway, did the Gerudo every say something about super-strength?
If not, it's probably adrenaline
Anyway, did the Gerudo every say something about super-strength?
If not, it's probably adrenaline
xepherthree
Smash Ace
...
this is why I don't believe your point.DONT REQUOTE THE PICTURE WALL!
Put a height for each canonical picture. Don't just tell me its 7 ft.
Prove it mathematically.
Proof or it didn't happen.
REL38
Smash Lord
Except Bowser's fire WAS explained to be realistic.
You have yet to PROVE the Gerudo people have super strength.
Even then, their body's physique doesn't allow for such baseless claims.
payasofobia
Smash Champion
And Ganondorf is a mastermind; he is an adept tactician and a master of manipulation and deceit.
Shouldn't he be able to outmaneuver Bowser in the proper terrain or something then?
Is that it adum?
Shouldn't he be able to outmaneuver Bowser in the proper terrain or something then?
Is that it adum?
Ray_Kalm
Smash Master
I don't want to provide every source I got Bowser's height from. Find them yourself.