The BlazBlue Thread: all the imports!

[Lythium]

Anytime Lyth, just let me know when you want to do it.

Maybe later tonight or tomorrow night? I'll have to see, my boyfriend may steal the PS3 to play some Marvel.

You can cut Hazama's chains (aka Ouroboros), you just have to time it right. 4C is the easiest, I think.

What Raz said. j.2A works really well to cut anything (Hazama's chains, Lambda's swords, Mu's lasers, etc.) as well.

If only CS2 online was decent. I'd be blocking those Assault Through mix-ups.

Spoiler

You can throw Noel out of Assault Through. No blocking required!

 

[Kuraudo]

Lythium, I swear we have NEVER played yet. And yet I've gone around and faced most of the regulars here on PSN. lol

 

[Lythium]

We'll have to play sometime! You're not online very often though. Or maybe it's just timezones screwing us over...

 

[Kuraudo]

Timezones and work, myself. And focusing on Smash for Genesis 2. After Genesis 2 I plan on focusing a lot more on CS2 and BlazBlue in general. I've got the potential in there, I just don't have the devotion that can make me a competent and good player.

[EDIT]

Anyway, time for me to hit the hay! I'll catcha guys later.

 

[Jam Stunna]

Tonight sounds good, Lyth.

 

[Darky-Sama]

So, I've implemented something into my playstyle with Hazama that just seems awesome for fakeouts and trolling. Serpent Stance Canceling // Serpent Haste. Basically, it's abusing connecting his Serpent's Benediction at the end of a combo and ending it immediately with the haste. Sort of like how you can end Mu's 6C lagtime with her Stein Gunner release to continue a combo.

5A > 5B > 5C > 2C > 3C > Serpent Benediction - Haste > dash > 5A > 5B > 5C > repeat.
(It also works with basic combos like 5A > 5B > 5C > Serpent Benediction - Haste > dash > repeat.)

It's working amazingly well for me on block strings, and even though it's not really giving you a shortened cooldown time, it can throw opponents off. It's punishable, though, but players are likely to get use to you doing it if you abuse it consistently for a block string, so you can get a counter hit 214D-B in instead of the using Serpent's Haste (Which pretty much means a free 3-4k from a basic combo).

Trolling IS the metagame.

 

[Minato]

It's working amazingly well for me on block strings, and even though it's not really giving you a shortened cooldown time, it can throw opponents off. It's punishable, though, but players are likely to get use to you doing it if you abuse it consistently for a block string, so you can get a counter hit 214D-B in instead of the using Serpent's Haste (Which pretty much means a free 3-4k from a basic combo).

What combo are you using after a CH from 214D~B? I think the combo I do is like only 2k or something off of that CH midscreen.

And usually I'll bait a CH by doing a short block string like 2A 5B 5C to Zaneiga instead. Zaneiga gives frame advantage if blocked, eats a ton of their barrier if they're barrier blocking (iirc), doesn't require a CH for a big combo, and removes one Guard Primer I think.

But yeah, 214D~D is pretty nice. Especially online lol.

 

[Lythium]

Tonight sounds good, Lyth.

Okay, I'll see what I can do! :3c

 

[LivewiresXe]

I think tonight would probably work, Crusayer.

Oh and way to blow the cover on those mixup/corner pressure things, Lythium, lol. Ah well, at least it still has some weird zonky/glitch property sometimes kinda.

 

[Minato]

I think tonight would probably work, Crusayer.

Oh and way to blow the cover on those mixup/corner pressure things, Lythium, lol. Ah well, at least it still has some weird zonky/glitch property sometimes kinda.

I actually do know that Assault Through can be mashed out of or grabbed.
I just don't like mashing 2A or throw in case of being CHed out of it online.

 

[LivewiresXe]

Hm...well, in that case please direct me to the nearest "facepalm smiley".

 

[Lythium]

Okay, fair enough. :3c

 

[Minato]

Well now I'm confused but whatever.

 

[Lythium]

Sorry, my response was to your response saying that you don't want to mash online. My bad.

Jam, I don't think I'll be able to play tonight. I forgot that I was having people over to (somewhat ironically) play some BlazBlue and shizz. Sorry! Did you want to try for tomorrow night instead?

 

[Minato]

Sorry, my response was to your response saying that you don't want to mash online. My bad.

Oh, I wasn't confused at your post but rather Livewire.

But oh well, it's ok. I just get salty at losing to Noels online with lag, even since CT days.

 

[LivewiresXe]

Well now I'm confused but whatever.

It's alright Mintato, I was confused too.

 

[Lythium]

We can all be confused together! :3c

 

[OFY]

scamp, i can play today available pretty much all night from now till like 11pm est

 

[Rutger]

But oh well, it's ok. I just get salty at losing to Noels online with lag, even since CT days.

Laggy Noel is the worst thing ever.

 

[Crusayer]

Sorry about that mess of invites Lythium lol. Confusing room stuff is confusing.

 

[Lythium]

No worries! I would play with you, but I have some friends over and we're playing right now.

Next time for sure though! :3c

 

[Darky-Sama]

What combo are you using after a CH from 214D~B? I think the combo I do is like only 2k or something off of that CH midscreen.

And usually I'll bait a CH by doing a short block string like 2A 5B 5C to Zaneiga instead. Zaneiga gives frame advantage if blocked, eats a ton of their barrier if they're barrier blocking (iirc), doesn't require a CH for a big combo, and removes one Guard Primer I think.

But yeah, 214D~D is pretty nice. Especially online lol.

It all depends on your position on the stage and whether or not you have heat. Hazama has the easiest time gaining heat out of almost any character on the roster, so usually you have heat.

CH 214D-B > 6D > 4D > j.7D > Hungry Coils -- it can break off into a number of things here depending on how you want to follow up. If you land three chains and hungry coils, you have the opportunity to j.6D-D and follow up from there-- or to be safe and do something easier -- dash > 3C > Rekkazan (Eternal Coils). It's not hard to get some damage with Haz off a CH 214D-B though.

And yeah, Zaneiga is much better, just a bit more risky when people know you're gonna use 214D on a blockstring. Gashoukyaku's invincibility will at least keep you safe. Most characters will probably try to 2A/5A Haz if he's that close. Lol.

Gasaishou works pretty nicely too. Just use that out of a blockstring. IIRC, you can 5A > Gasaishou and still be within range if you're doing the 5A > 5B > 5C > 214D-D > dash.

 

[Minato]

It all depends on your position on the stage and whether or not you have heat. Hazama has the easiest time gaining heat out of almost any character on the roster, so usually you have heat.

CH 214D-B > 6D > 4D > j.7D > Hungry Coils -- it can break off into a number of things here depending on how you want to follow up. If you land three chains and hungry coils, you have the opportunity to j.6D-D and follow up from there-- or to be safe and do something easier -- dash > 3C > Rekkazan (Eternal Coils). It's not hard to get some damage with Haz off a CH 214D-B though.

And yeah, Zaneiga is much better, just a bit more risky when people know you're gonna use 214D on a blockstring. Gashoukyaku's invincibility will at least keep you safe. Most characters will probably try to 2A/5A Haz if he's that close. Lol.

Gasaishou works pretty nicely too. Just use that out of a blockstring. IIRC, you can 5A > Gasaishou and still be within range if you're doing the 5A > 5B > 5C > 214D-D > dash.

Nice, and thanks. I'll try that out. For midscreen I've been doing CH 214D-B (jump back) j.6D-D 5C 2C 4D-A 4D-D j.B j.Cx2 dj.Cx5 214D or something of that variation. I can't remember the damage and meter gain but I guess I'll mess around more on CH combos.

And yeah, I pretty much use Zaneiga in a blockstring as a gimmick. I've been CHed out of it before .

 

[Spelt]

I think you can do CH 214d~b > 66 > 214d~c.
It's probably pretty strict though.

Well, i can't get it to work but i swear i've seen it done before.
maybe it was an RC combo...

 

[Crusayer]

Livewire beats me 2-1.

Noel really does feel salty. I got hit with so much weird stuff `-`.

 

[LivewiresXe]

GGs Crusayer. I uh, really wasn't expecting that outcome. After those two friendlies I was like "if he goes and 2-0's me now, I'm going to feel like such an idiot".

And all I know is I was trying not to get cornered.

 

[Crusayer]

I am mad salty about that counter assault clash on your fenrir. Why were you even mashing on D?! Why did you even think about using fenrir there `-`.

Salt. ._______.

 

[LivewiresXe]

I sometimes will accidentally make Spring Raid or Fenrir go off. So some of my Fenrir's are 'wtf?' for a reason. Also, one thing I learned the hard way when I first tried to get into the fighting game scene was that if you become predictable, then the opponent can read you like a book. And if they can read you like a book, then they can act in advance of you before you even throw something out. If you're unpredictable, then you keep them guessing, keep them on their toes, make them not sure what to expect, and make them react. And well, the timeframe/success rate of reacting to something you didn't see coming is less than acting pre-emptively to something you saw ahead of time.

 

[Lythium]

Crusayer, your next match will be against Smooth Criminal. I'll update the bracket soon. :3c

Also, I'm not playing Noel anymore. I refuse. She's not fun in CS2 (for me), and it's really aggravating that I don't even have to try to do 5k midscreen(!) or more with meter. It's disappointing because I really loved playing Noel. But I just can't even like her anymore. I don't like being rewarded for silliness that shouldn't have worked, online or offline.

Cheer up, Crusayer, I got you this present:

 

[Darky-Sama]

I think you can do CH 214d~b > 66 > 214d~c.
It's probably pretty strict though.

Well, i can't get it to work but i swear i've seen it done before.
maybe it was an RC combo...

It's possible if you rapid, but I don't think it combos otherwise. Unless you somehow counter hit with a fully charged version of 214D-B. It usually effects the hitstun and distance they're knocked upward. If you use the charged version of 214D-B, you can buffer Hungry Coils without it being a counter hit.

I'll test it today, though.

 

[Pitzer]

It's possible if you rapid, but I don't think it combos otherwise. Unless you somehow counter hit with a fully charged version of 214D-B. It usually effects the hitstun and distance they're knocked upward. If you use the charged version of 214D-B, you can buffer Hungry Coils without it being a counter hit.

I'll test it today, though.

Get your *** on Re5 or marvel -_-

 

[Zero_Gamer]

Gat dang, Darky, there's a difference between 'effect' and 'affect'.

 

[Minato]

Guess I'll be playing Livewire next. I'll play whenever you're available, just message me when you're ready.
Preferably today since I have plans tomorrow.

It's possible if you rapid, but I don't think it combos otherwise. Unless you somehow counter hit with a fully charged version of 214D-B. It usually effects the hitstun and distance they're knocked upward. If you use the charged version of 214D-B, you can buffer Hungry Coils without it being a counter hit.

I'll test it today, though.

I didn't have a lot of time but I tested it. It works, but I did it as a CH up close and didn't bother try doing it at max distance or see if it works when you CH them from the air. Now that I think about it 214D~B CH (jump up/back) j.6DD 66 (during the chain) 6C to whatever could also work.

 

[Darky-Sama]

sackattack.

Now that you mention it, that should've been affect, huh? Man, I've just been letting my grammar slip away to nothing lately. D;

 

[LivewiresXe]

Alright, will do Minato. The Big Brother 13 premiere's tonight at 9 so it'd probably have to be like 8 or 10ish or whatnot. You know how to get in touch with me though.


You know, I never got this whole "Noel's too easy to do damage with now so I'll switch from using her" thing. I mean it's like...she's high C in CT and people are meh on her, she's third worst in CS1 and people are like "I'm not using her anymore, she's not even viable" now it's like "she's too viable so I'm not using her"? This isn't like a jab at you Lythium, it's just I hear a bunch of people saying it and it doesn't make sense to me. Like, I know I personally waited through every update and game hoping she'd be like A- or B+ or wherever say Hakumen is rankwise or something like that, so for me, her current tier placing is like a reward for those of us that have stuck with her through hell or high water. Y'know, like saying it pays to stick to your guns (awful pun is awful, I know) or something like that.

While some people may get enjoyment from their characters from the challenges and difficult situations they present, I personally always just wanted to be able to win with my character and not spend what seems like half a round working to try and get a 2500 damage combo, that my opponent turns around and doubles in 3 seconds. I just, dunno, tend to have more fun while I'm winning.

 

[Raziek]

And some people feel less enjoyment when their character is the one doing the work, not themselves.

It's the reason I don't play Meta Knight, even though he's better than Marth. Just feels cheesy, and it's so much less enjoyable.

 

[Smooth Criminal]

I don't care if a character is inherently good or not.

If I like 'em, I'll play 'em.

Bah. Any further points I have are nebulous as ****. I'll just leave that **** at the proverbial door.

Smooth Criminal

 

[Darky-Sama]

It just makes it more satisfying when you win with a bad character than a good one. Kind of like a false sense of accomplishment. If someone's winning with a character skillfully, I don't complain much. If they're just abusing stupid, basic things that just make the match-up wtf high in their favor, it's kind of like... "Why are you playing this game?".

That logic doesn't apply to those trying to make money though.

 

[LivewiresXe]

That's actually really freaky timing of you saying that Raziek, because I just made a comment in the MK9 thread about how in fighting games there's always going to be someone relatively high up in the tier ranking that would be seen as easy. As has been said here, some might think Noel for CS2, there's Ermac for MK9, Meta Knight for Brawl, Ryu for Street Fighter IV (I speak of vanilla since haven't played Super or later), etc.

I don't know I just tend to...get angry and sometimes really discouraged by continual losses. Apparently I'm worst at getting angry when I'm playing Uncharted 2 online and get killed, as I put it "from safely behind cover" or "by 'the guy who wasn't there'", lol. It's just, silly as it sounds, being able to win consistently/semi-consistently is a relatively new thing for me since I know with Brawl in every bi-weekly I did with my friends over like dunno, 14 months, but one, maybe 2, I'd be sent into loser's after my first match and eliminated after my first one there. The same thing happened in my first CS1 tournament so...it's kinda like a "whew, so I'm not absolutely worthless at these games and my practice is actually getting results this time" thing. That's just me personally though.

Edit RE Darky-Sama: Yeah, when you get the people going to tournaments and playing for cash then whatever the hell you can do to win is what you do and abuse. I mean, if you're playing for say $1000, you're not going to hold back by 'being honourable' if being a cheap little jerk works 10x better.

 

[Raziek]

I play for enjoyment. It helps that Marth and Hazama are both very strong characters, but I don't play them because I want to win, I play them because they best fit my playstyle, and allow me to have the most fun playing the game.