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[Knight Dude]

Found a really cool mash-up!

 

[SnakeFighter64]

Ok. I’m two whole worlds into Yooka-Laylee with a little of World 3 under my belt as well and I gotta say… I don’t think the problems the game has can be fixed in a remake. And even if they could they certainly aren’t trying.

Like, we know so little about what changes they’re even making in replaylee but they few that they are will not fix the problems I’m having with the game. Having all your moves at the start are fine in theory but there’s a reason the banjo games spread them out across the levels. It was to get players used to certain mechanics at a steady pace. Yooka does that a little, but they’re paced awkwardly. Something like the high jump, an ability Banjo gets in his tutorial, is a world 2 unlock. Same with the ground pound being in world 1. IMO I would have given yooka and Laylee all the moves that are obvious standins for Banjo and Kazooie’s moves right out the gate but then kept their unique ones (buddy bubble, slurp state, sonar, camo cloak, etc) as ones you have to learn from Trowzer.

Then replaylee promises that all the worlds will be fully expanded from the start. Again, that’s great in theory, but I don’t think actually does much in practice. By world 2, if you’re diligent in your collecting, you can already have every world fully expanded immediately after unlock. So the only world this would change is… tribalstack tropics on your first visit. Not to mention it doesn’t look like they’re changing much of the actual level architecture from what I’ve seen in the trailers, so it will still have one of the biggest problems it (and Tooie) already had, a lack of interesting landmarks to make these levels worth running around and exploring in. The map will help you find stuff I guess, but imo in a good collectathon you shouldn’t need a map because the level will be well designed enough that you can tell where you need to go just by looking around. These changes will make going into the levels and collecting everything on your first go possible, but the experience will be far more akin to being thrown into the deep end and needing to learn to swim fast unless you’ve already played the game.

And the other stuff they’re changing is way too… superfluous. I have no idea why the banjo team decided note doors were a bad idea after one game and they’re still trying to find a good replacement for that functionality and they never have. Having them be needed to unlock moves was… fine… but it’s a hasty solution. I’d rather just have the note doors back and have the moves be free again (but you still should have to learn them so you’re not overwhelmed with abilities at the start and feel like you’re getting stronger throughout the adventure). Replaylee says Trowzer will be selling new stuff in exchange for the quills but they haven’t said what it is yet. It’s not the costume because that’s what you exchange the new coins for in a system that feels just straight up stolen from 3D Mario and feels out of place in a game like this.

Idk. I get wanting to give Yooka-Laylee a better “first impression” so that people will care more about the sequel they are not exactly being secretive about making. But I just don’t think this was the right call.

 

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I don't play Heroes, but thought this was pretty cool to see them finally explore. Even with the remakes of Shadow Dragon/Mystery of the Emblem, the history of Archanea isn't explored that much outside of alternative media and dramas. Medeus would probably be one of the top villains of the series if his backstory was explored more.

Too bad you can't purchase Shadow Dragon on the English eShop anymore...

 

[TheMightyP]

'Course I do, but eh. Just hoping they're out there being their best selves.

Let's be real. We're the weird ones sticking around on an old site some 8 years after the last Smash game dropped.

Well it's closer to 7 years but yeah.

but tbh, it has been feeling like even the regulars here have been posting a lot less lately, this thread has had a lot of dry hours (and sometimes days) which has been more and more prevalent lately.

We're getting old.

 

[HyperSomari64]

I don't play Heroes, but thought this was pretty cool to see them finally explore. Even with the remakes of Shadow Dragon/Mystery of the Emblem, the history of Archanea isn't explored that much outside of alternative media and dramas. Medeus would probably be one of the top villains of the series if his backstory was explored more.

Too bad you can't purchase Shadow Dragon on the English eShop anymore...

Still waitin' for that "fabled" FEH X Xenoblade collab.

 

[cashregister9]

They are increasing the price of the PS5 in Europe, Australia and New Zealand.

I don't play Heroes, but thought this was pretty cool to see them finally explore. Even with the remakes of Shadow Dragon/Mystery of the Emblem, the history of Archanea isn't explored that much outside of alternative media and dramas. Medeus would probably be one of the top villains of the series if his backstory was explored more.

Too bad you can't purchase Shadow Dragon on the English eShop anymore...

God damn the Medeus and Gotoh art are great.

 

[Pink Yoshi]

I designed one of the forgotten Lilo and Stitch experiments. In the credits of Leroy and Stitch, there's a scrolling list of all 626 experiments (discounting those following Stitch), and one of those that caught my eye was 404 "Bloom". So, I drew her a design.

Now for what I think her deal is...
Jumba designed her for the purpose of, ahem, chemical warfare. From her antenna and tail, she emits a wonderful aroma, similar to the flowers of Earth (damask roses would make a good comparison). Sounds nice (though Pleakley's species seems to find the scent repulsive), right? Well, this particular scent has a DEVASTATING effect on many of the alien races in the galaxy. See, the aroma she puts out is largely comprised of damascones - a chemical compound that is dangerously fatal to many of the alien races in the galaxy. So, this experiment essentially sends waves of toxic air at enemy aliens, often leading them to get dangerously sick or straight-up suffocate on the battlefield. However, she hates making aliens suffer in such horrible ways and thus hesitates to use her powers. That's why I drew her without a nose, even if it ends up making her look a bit cursed lol

As for what her episode might look like...When she ends up on Earth, she discovers that her scent is not only harmless to the local humans, but also genuinely beneficial, making them feel happy. So when she encounters Lilo, she's quick to bond with her - buuuuut of course her aroma happens to make Stitch grow very sick. Cue antics of looking after the poor blue koala thing in the house. Eventually Bloom finds her one true place as a companion to Kauai's #1 therapist, using her scent to soothe those who need it.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

I still visit Smashboards on a near-regular basis, and while certain threads and sub-forums on the site are absolutely still very active, this site is definitely a lot less active overall and has far less active users than it used to.

I don't really think it was until the last two years or so that the site really started getting quieter again, though. Ultimate released in 2018, but the hype leading up to and the immediate aftermath of it's release was huge even compared to 4. We got a lot more new users, many old users became more active again, and the site was overall booming with activity with speculation about Ultimate and discussions about the game itself and people meeting up or finding new people to play the game with online after it was released. Even after 2018, there were still years worth of new content up to late 2021 with Sora and new platform fighters getting released like the Nick All Stars games and the then-still in development Multiversus.

As time's gone on, though, there's a number of reasons why this site has gone down in activity. Many long-time members of the site who've been here for far longer than many of us, including well-known competitive players and staff members (some of whom are also competitive players) either started going online less often or have decided to move on from it altogether as they've gotten older, for reasons that vary from person to person. Then there's the advent of platforms like Skype and Discord, which offered more immediate and convenient means of communication for many people, while sites with slower means of communication but more organized format and archives like forums are becoming less commonplace. Finally, as others here have already noted, now that Ultimate is done with content and other platfighters are either complete as well or shutting down soon...there's not much hype for the next game right now, nor any new game to currently play. And while the site still gets new users at least every other day. we're not likely to see a boom in traffic from either new and old users alike until a new game is confirmed to be on the way.

This site's been around a long time. I've made a ton of my friends here. And while the format isn't like the live-chat of Skype, Zoom or Discord, I honestly think forums are a format that still have an important place on the internet. So I honestly hope it remains up for a long time, at least in some form if not this same forum format. I don't know how long I'll still be around Smashboards for, but I hope it remains up for future and present fans of the series alike for as long as it remains possible. This was the place to talk about Smash and Nintendo back in the day, and it's become a place where people have have been able to talk about Nintendo and a variety of other things since.

 

[TMNTSSB4]

Still waitin' for that "fabled" FEH X Xenoblade collab.

gets Persona 5 instead

 

[Shroob]

gets Persona 5 instead

It either kills the game or causes the game to gain immortality, no in-between.

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

do you ever stop to think about all the people on Smashboards that don’t show up anymore.

I feel this great sense of loss, like lots of people are gone. But I can’t remember who any of them are.

Yeah. I really miss that tehponycorn person especially. I wonder how well they're doing... ;D

Being serious, I get it. There's a certain sense of loss in being the old guard of a place like this. Knowing that there were so many people here that just...aren't anymore.

I still keep in touch with a some folks from the Ultimate Spec days and we're all out there making the best of our lives. That’s all you can really hope for old friends.

Speaking for myself, since Ultimate Spec ended I graduated from college, realized I was non-binary, moved states, started some real therapy, and I'm graduating with a Masters of Social Work in June.

I also beat a neat 200+ video games along the way. After writing so much about them, I finally started playing them. Found a good couple of new favorite games along the way.

It's really crazy how much changes with time.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I did not expect John Oliver to talk about the Switch 2 preorder delays in his segment on Trump Tariffs when I clicked on that video on youtube, damn

 

[Hex D. Jess]

Banjo-Kazooie is still better because it uses a principle common in open world games where you see an interesting landmark in the distance and are drawn to it (Hbomberguy explained this to me in one of his Fallout videos, can't remember which one)

Im sorry but this is the emodiment of

 

[SnakeFighter64]

Im sorry but this is the emodiment of
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No. But a YouTuber gave me the words to explain the opinion I already had.

Like I’d been trying for a while to explain why I liked the sandbox collectathon genre in Banjo-Kazooie but not in almost any other context and I think it’s this. The combination of unique and interesting landmarks, small levels, and NPCs who are actual characters to help out, as silly as they may be. It all helps over other examples of the genre like 3D Mario or Sonic Frontiers.

Still can’t explain why classic Spyro doesn’t gel that well with me. I’m sure I’ll find the words for it some day.

 

[Xyro77]

I could be wrong since I joined recently but another decline happened at some point after 2017 since that was the last year where there were tier lists made here outside of P+ and the fact that Ultimate apparently doesn't have a backroom.

In 2011, FB did something with the site that started recommending local events to its users. Some TOs here on SB started to use it due to its massive reach. Then the 2013 DDOS attack happened and it caused a mass exodus from here to FB. Then in 2015, Discord came out. Year after year from then on, SB was less and less THE place to go because the shared knowledge and community experience shifted to those other platforms. Even during Smash 5, though SB got a boost from that, it was short lived and the vast majority of people preferred the faster, less moderated, more reliable, and highly customizable Discord.

SB will never see another era of glory days but the site is so important to me that I will remain posting here until arthritis + carpal tunnel wins the day

 

[Knight Dude]

I did not expect John Oliver to talk about the Switch 2 preorder delays in his segment on Trump Tariffs when I clicked on that video on youtube, damn

There's gonna be a guy who overthrows the government, and he's gonna wear the Zelda tee with the Khaki shorts. It's not the straw that should've broke the camel's back, but it is what it is. Gotta get them games my guy.

Spoiler

Realistically though, I think most good people don't want to do harm, which is part of the reason ****ty people get away with what they do. So I suppose the old adage "Evil thrives when Good Men do nothing" has some merit. But again, most good men and women don't assassinate people often, even for the sake of others, cause not everyone is comfortable with taking a life, soooo......

 

[SnakeFighter64]

There's gonna be a guy who overthrows the government, and he's gonna wear the Zelda tee with the Khaki shorts. It's not the straw that should've broke the camel's back, but it is what it is. Gotta get them games my guy.

Spoiler

Realistically though, I think most good people don't want to do harm, which is part of the reason ****ty people get away with what they do. So I suppose the old adage "Evil thrives when Good Men do nothing" has some merit. But again, most good men and women don't assassinate people often, even for the sake of others, cause not everyone is comfortable with taking a life, soooo......

Spoiler

yeah. I had a friend, now ex-friend, who was constantly talking about how horrible the Conservative Party is but whenever I would suggest things that might actually stop them she would adamantly say “no, we just need organization and education”… like I think we’re past the point where that’s going to fix things. At times it feels like she wants the us government to collapse in on itself so we have no choice but to rebuild and rebuild better but that kind of ignores how hard it will be to rebuild a country in the ruins of the old one.

 

[HyperSomari64]

It either kills the game or causes the game to gain immortality, no in-between.

the second! the second!
so Intelligent Systems can add every FE character in existence.
And it would be Smash fans' worst nightmare.

 

[SnakeFighter64]

the second! the second!
so Intelligent Systems can add every FE character in existence.
And it would be Smash fans' worst nightmare.

Look I don’t hate fire emblem on principle. I just think characters should have to wait to prove they’re long lasting and beloved before they join smash. I have the same problem with how Pokemon does its representation.

 

[Noipoi]

Was playing with my cat and she managed to scrape her teeth across my arm. Now I have two long scars on my wrist.

Hope no one asks about it, that’d be real awkward to explain

 

[Knight Dude]

Spoiler

yeah. I had a friend, now ex-friend, who was constantly talking about how horrible the Conservative Party is but whenever I would suggest things that might actually stop them she would adamantly say “no, we just need organization and education”… like I think we’re past the point where that’s going to fix things. At times it feels like she wants the us government to collapse in on itself so we have no choice but to rebuild and rebuild better but that kind of ignores how hard it will be to rebuild a country in the ruins of the old one.

I don't entirely agree, and it's a bit of Doomer post to just assume everything will never recover.

Spoiler

My thing is, I don't think Non-Violent responses are ineffective either. Most of the time, you can speak with money, you just need people to have self control. On the other hand, California passed a law named after Luigi that's related to the healthcare issues going on now. I get why some people don't want to get violent, for a multitude of reasons, things are different from the French Revolution and the Civil Rights era, but sometimes **** has to go down before things get better.

There's also plenty of people who don't vote, then complain about the outcome as well, and I know the Electoral College is BS, but you're still doing something. It's easy to say, "Just Kill everyone who doesn't like you" but outside of just becoming a sociopath, it's a short term solution in and of itself, which is why education is also important, cause I think plenty of people are raised by bad parents and many of the Government's BS is literally keeping the common folk un-educated. I would argue a mix of both Non-Violent and Violent resistance is needed to fix ****.

Look I don’t hate fire emblem on principle. I just think characters should have to wait to prove they’re long lasting and beloved before they join smash. I have the same problem with how Pokemon does its representation.

There's a level of wishful thinking to that. I wouldn't exactly call Lucas an inherently a long lasting and beloved character when joined Brawl at the time. He was from a recent GBA RPG that was Japan only and it's not an A-tier series you Mom and Dad would know. Compare that to Diddy Kong, Wario or Dedede. And if it wasn't for Smash, no one would give a **** about Ice Climber in any meaningful way so hardly beloved. Excitebiker probably has more cultural impact on games than ICs do in their own titles. Promotional characters are a thing in most crossover material. Freddy was the first MK guest cause he had a recent movie at the time. Dr.Strange was picked for Marvel 3, since his movie was already being considered.

Little Mac's a better example of a long-standing Nintendo character that people know, cause Punch-Out!! had successful titles. Ridley and K.Rool too. FE and Pokemon get special treatment since they have rotating casts and are series with new entries at a steady clip. FE's got obvious controversy, sure. But that's because, despite being reasonably popular it ain't Mario or Pokemon. But Zelda, Kirby ect. while having new characters they could or should use, have a core cast that embodies multiple titles. Also doesn't help that 4 of them are Marth variants, and don't exactly have the differences of Ryu/Ken/Akuma or MK Ninjas.

On the other hand it's also why I wouldn't miss Corrin or Byleth if the next Smash swapped them for a newbie, FE or otherwise, unless they want to squeeze in many returning characters again. But they have fans, so I get it. To make a good roster for any crossover game, you gotta have a LOT of heavy hitters, but you sprinkle in obscure characters and a few newer ones to help bolster them up in the public eye. Like Marvel Rivals having Luna Snow, or even X-Men Legends putting in Deadpool, who at the time, was only known by comic readers. MUA1 with Moon Knight.

It either kills the game or causes the game to gain immortality, no in-between.

I mean, FE Heroes could probably take the hit, out of any Nintendo mobile title.

Was playing with my cat and she managed to scrape her teeth across my arm. Now I have two long scars on my wrist.

Hope no one asks about it, that’d be real awkward to explain

Just say you got into a fight with some dude who thought it was still 2007.

 

[Xyro77]

I just think characters should have to wait to prove they’re long lasting and beloved before they join smash.

If that were the case, Marth and Roy would have never joined melee.

Nintendo does several things with its roster:

1. It dice rolls with some characters (Marth/roy in melee)

2. It introduces (or creates) new characters before they are even put in their own franchise (Greninja)

3. It lets users decide via smash ballot (Bayonetta)

4. The Board or some higher executives force certain characters (Steve)

5. Put in characters from games they want to further sell or advertise for (Byleth)

6. Do market research to see what characters are talked about online (Mario vs Sonic, link vs sephiroth….etc)

^^^^ Obviously these aren’t the only ways characters get into Smash games but there are definitely confirmed ways and ways that have lead to tremendous success.

edit: you will live to see the day where “Fortnite Guy” joins Smash.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

If that were the case, Marth and Roy would have never joined melee.

Snake after imagining that timeline

 

[Knight Dude]

One of my Boomer Game takes is that in most situations I prefer to have physical games. Digital is really convenient and cool, but they way so many games are lost due to not being emulated, but also no re-released is frustrating. It's cool Mega Man 9 and 10 got physical versions. But it sucks that the Castlevaina and I think Contra re-makes on the Wii are just lost now. And that's just the first example that popped into my head.

Course the opposite side of that coin is how ****ty the retro market has gotten, where the only cheap games are like early PS4 games and some third party Switch titles.

 

[Noipoi]

Look I don’t hate fire emblem on principle. I just think characters should have to wait to prove they’re long lasting and beloved before they join smash. I have the same problem with how Pokemon does its representation.

If they waited until a character was a beloved gaming icon to put them in Smash we wouldn’t have half the cast. It usually takes a bit of time for a character to get that big. Sometimes they wanna take a gamble. Sometimes they have a quirky idea. Sometimes they wanna represent what’s new with Nintendo.

I’m not always stoked about the blatant promotional picks, but that’s just how it is. Besides we’ve gotten some pretty cool characters out of it.

 

[SnakeFighter64]

All I’m saying is if I were running smash things would be done differently. I kinda don’t care how they do do it. Because that’s part of what I would want to fixChange

 

[Pink Yoshi]

As your local Corrin main...

On the one hand, yeah some of the FE picks are pretty obscure in terms of game history and what they mean to Nintendo and gaming as a whole, especially as opposed to characters who are still missing like Dixie Kong or Crash Bandicoot.

On the other hand, dragon boy with chainsaw sword go brrrr

 

[Noipoi]

Edit: Nevermind

 

[SnakeFighter64]

Edit: Nevermind

dang it I missed it

 

[Pink Yoshi]

dang it I missed it

I just like to think he's just mentioning the classic Nirvana album in his edit.

 

[Noipoi]

I kinda don’t care how they do do

heh

 

[Hydreigonfan01]

I kinda don’t care how they do do

Snake hates extinct flightless birds confirmed

 

[SnakeFighter64]

Snake hates extinct flightless birds confirmed

Hey. Flightless birds are my favorite birds. They can only attach from the x and z axis. They still look freaky, but they’re better than their cousins who soar across the y-axis like they’re using cheat codes and can attack from any angle.

 

[Hydreigonfan01]

Hey. Flightless birds are my favorite birds. They can only attach from the x and z axis. They still look freaky, but they’re better than their cousins who soar across the y-axis like they’re using cheat codes and can attack from any angle.

The joke was about the dodo, an extinct, flightless bird.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Just read that the Switch 2 is likely gonna be hit with a tariff rate of a whopping 125%, well over doubling the price. This might be done for everyone, christ

 

[Noipoi]

Just read that the Switch 2 is likely gonna be hit with a tariff rate of a whopping 125%, well over doubling the price. This might be done for everyone, christ

Where’d you read that?

 

[SnakeFighter64]

The joke was about the dodo, an extinct, flightless bird.

I know

Just read that the Switch 2 is likely gonna be hit with a tariff rate of a whopping 125%, well over doubling the price. This might be done for everyone, christ

well… time to see what Nintendo does…

 

[Shroob]

If they waited until a character was a beloved gaming icon to put them in Smash we wouldn’t have half the cast. It usually takes a bit of time for a character to get that big. Sometimes they wanna take a gamble. Sometimes they have a quirky idea. Sometimes they wanna represent what’s new with Nintendo.

I’m not always stoked about the blatant promotional picks, but that’s just how it is. Besides we’ve gotten some pretty cool characters out of it.

^100% this.


We wouldn't have most of the Smash 4 3DS/WiiU era-current in terms of Smash characters were it not for this, and we'd probably lose a ton of franchises in the process.


And like, what's 'iconic'? That means something different for everyone. We can all agree that someone like Mario and Pac Man are iconic, but then.... Is Wolf Iconic? K.Rool? Wii Fit Trainer? Pyra and Mythra?(They're iconic in some circles alright).

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Where’d you read that?

Nikkei Asia recently had reports about this, basically from my understanding, while the Switch 2 is being made in Vietnam, it's not done at a large enough scale even if it was meant for just the US release, so they'll likely end up needing to use China which has the massive nonsense AI tariffs

 

[TheMightyP]

^100% this.


We wouldn't have most of the Smash 4 3DS/WiiU era-current in terms of Smash characters were it not for this, and we'd probably lose a ton of franchises in the process.


And like, what's 'iconic'? That means something different for everyone. We can all agree that someone like Mario and Pac Man are iconic, but then.... Is Wolf Iconic? K.Rool? Wii Fit Trainer? Pyra and Mythra?(They're iconic in some circles alright).

Iconic = Character I like. Irrelevant = character I don't like