Who is the worst character in ssb4 in patch 1.1.2?

[TheJolteon]

I've seen people with different opinions and have held my own but I would like to see what the majority thinks?

 

[Raijinken]

In my opinion, bottom seven: , , 1111 , 1111 , , Default , . No particular order.

 

[Rose alumna]

...Well i don't really think there's such thing as a bad char it just depends on how you play them buttttt. I do think there's one char that needs some work done to them and that's Mewtwo . I have seen and played some really good Mewtwo's but he just needs to be tweaked a little to be solid. (In my opinion)

 

[UberMadman]

Zelda is the worst right now. Bad frame data, (mostly,) bad mobility, bad projectiles, bad survivability, bad combo game, bad approach options, and bad neutral game. She has a couple of useful moves and some decent kill options, but nothing to make up for her incredible flaws.

 

[Speed Boost]

Candidates for the worst character are DDD, Zelda, Ganon, Mewtwo, WFT, Samus, Palutena, Jigglypuff, and Bowser.

The thing is all of these characters can be somewhat viable when played to their full potential. That just shows the balance of Smash 4.

I can't say which is the worst but it's one of these characters IMO.

 

[Guido65]

The worst in the game is eitherorin my opinion.

Why I think or who are the worst it's because:

• Bad frame data(palutena has frame data rivaling ddd and shulk while zelda's isn't winning an award).
• Poor mobility(for zelda anyway).
• Horrible projectile.
• Hard time approaching(for zelda).
• A very poor neutral
• Specials that leave a lot to be desired.
• In terms of how limited their tools are they're on par with .
• tall and light.

 

[Raijinken]

Non-Custom Palutena I had forgotten about. Yea, replace Brawler in my above list with her.

 

[Red Pittoo ~ Rekt]

If I had to pick at all, it would be Palutena by a wide margin. Kinda ironic, but still.

 

[yttik]

palu sucks

 

[williamsga555]

Candidates for the worst character are DDD, Zelda, Ganon, Mewtwo, WFT, Samus, Palutena, Jigglypuff, and Bowser.

The only one I contest here is WFT. She should not be anywhere close to worst in the cast potential, imo.

I'd almost say Jigglypuff is the worst right now, at least for singles. She can't afford to make basically any mistakes during a match, despite having few answers for shielding and rather poor reach. Rest is potent as always, but (to my knowledge) she has no confirms into it. Her former strength of being able to gimp people reliably is fairly moot in Smash 4 (though her offstage game is still pretty decent).


Though I wouldn't be terribly surprised if it ended up being someone else in that list, so.

 

[Raijinken]

The only one I contest here is WFT. She should not be anywhere close to worst in the cast potential, imo.

I'd almost say Jigglypuff is the worst right now, at least for singles. She can't afford to make basically any mistakes during a match, despite having few answers for shielding and rather poor reach. Rest is potent as always, but (to my knowledge) she has no confirms into it. Her former strength of being able to gimp people reliably is fairly moot in Smash 4 (though her offstage game is still pretty decent).


Though I wouldn't be terribly surprised if it ended up being someone else in that list, so.

I'd be inclined to put her low simply because of how quickly everyone else will kill her, despite her strengths. Her offstage IS great, but most of the "best" these days aren't really susceptible to it (try to gimp Sheik and you'll just die). Plus, Rest lasts so long, hit or miss, that unless you take the last stock with it, you're basically going to be killed in return unless you star-KO them.

 

[TheDarkKnightNoivern]

I'd have to say Zelda although not by much considering that this game is pretty well balanced

 

[Raijinken]

I'd be interested in seeing a high-skill match between Samus and Zelda. Mostly because while I'm convinced Zelda is bad, I'm not convinced she's worse than Samus in 1v1.

 

[Boney]

Zelda still is the worst even though she has had some nice buffs. She has a horrible neutral, bad frame data and okish combos. Fair and bair are probably the worst in the game due to the minuscule sweetspot and high landing lag. Farore's wind can kill super early but it's still a hard to hit and super punishable, and naryu's love has some nice intangibility as a get off me move but it's still super punishable on block. She really doesn't have much going for her.

I'd put Jiggly and Mewtwo behind them due to their weight, lack of options in neutral for jiggs and janky hitboxes for Mewtwo.

Samus while not very good mostly suffers for having horrible match ups against top tiers and the seconds worst grab in the game (behind yoshi but he has a command grab so he's safe there). She has an amazing combo game relatively good neutral due to charge shot and decent kill options and a very quick oos move good weight with decent recovery. She's probably bottom 15 but there's way worse characters. What sucks the most is that she was better in 1.03 because she had a terrific kill confirm with ftilt to charge shot that's gone due to the mutilated ftilt we got on the Mewtwo match

 

[Wintropy]

I'm sorry, but I can't entertain the notion that Palutena is the objective worst character in the game. No bias, I will happily say right now that she is Bottom 10, but the worst? No way, José. Not when she has a functional gameplan, gets decent rewards off of grab (which is itself quite a good grab, especially pivot grab), has two invincible pokes and reasonable mobility.

I don't know who the worst is. It's semantics, if you ask me - we can't even agree on the Top 5 in the game, how in the world can we determine who's Bottom 1?

 

[Raijinken]

I'm sorry, but I can't entertain the notion that Palutena is the objective worst character in the game. No bias, I will happily say right now that she is Bottom 10, but the worst? No way, José. Not when she has a functional gameplan, gets decent rewards off of grab (which is itself quite a good grab, especially pivot grab), has two invincible pokes and reasonable mobility.

I don't know who the worst is. It's semantics, if you ask me - we can't even agree on the Top 5 in the game, how in the world can we determine who's Bottom 1?

Run a low tier tournament and see who isn't picked!

 

[ICYoyo]

Palutena, Zelda and Samus and then mii sword fighter and gunner simply because nobody cares about them. Also kinda think Greninja is down there.

 

[kenniky]

Greninja!?

Greninja is at worst mid tier imo

 

[Vyrnx]

I'd be interested in seeing a high-skill match between Samus and Zelda. Mostly because while I'm convinced Zelda is bad, I'm not convinced she's worse than Samus in 1v1.

It's a really easy MU for Samus. Zair, combos, tech chases, zair... She has nothing in the neutral against Samus. If Zelda can actually win neutral against Samus, the reward is small as unlike most characters she isn't gonna juggle us much at all. And she isn't gonna win neutral. Also the winner of a 1v1 wouldn't determine the worst character--i.e. If Nairo fought Aerolink's Palu with his Zelda and won, that wouldn't mean Zelda is necessarily better. It could mean it's a poor MU for Zelda or Nairo is really good.

Worst is
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[Wintermelon43]

Most people believe Zelda and Palutena are the worst. IMO Zelda is the worst.

Also serisualy people Jigglypuff isn't crap, anyone who thinks that has never even looked at her.

 

[Terrabyte]

Zelda is incredibly bad, but at least she has some killing power with Farore's Wind. IMO Palutena sucks way more.

 

[Rinku リンク]

As much as I hate to admit it is probably the worst.

Also for everyone saying Palutena's the worst..(Zelda wishes she could do half the things she could do)

 

[PowerPuffPlayer]

Also serisualy people Jigglypuff isn't crap, anyone who thinks that has never even looked at her.

Preach it brother.

 

[kenniky]

Also serisualy people Jigglypuff isn't crap, anyone who thinks that has never even looked at her.

Explain your reasoning, please? Jigglypuff is worse than she's ever been. Very little range, virtually nonexistent ground game, poor throw followups, lack of a kill throw, abysmal out of shield options, extremely light weight, off-the-top kills not causing Star or Screen KOs occasionally means that Rest can be unsafe on kill, no Rest confirms, absence of ledge-hogging means that her edgeguarding ability is drastically lowered. Jigglypuff struggles immensely against anyone with any sort of reasonable disjoint, especially the likes of Greninja, Marth, and Shulk.

Jigglypuff is almost definitely bottom 3.

 

[PowerPuffPlayer]

Explain your reasoning, please? Jigglypuff is worse than she's ever been. Very little range, virtually nonexistent ground game, poor throw followups, lack of a kill throw, abysmal out of shield options, extremely light weight, off-the-top kills not causing Star or Screen KOs occasionally means that Rest can be unsafe on kill, no Rest confirms, absence of ledge-hogging means that her edgeguarding ability is drastically lowered. Jigglypuff struggles immensely against anyone with any sort of reasonable disjoint, especially the likes of Greninja, Marth, and Shulk.

Jigglypuff is almost definitely bottom 3.

I understand what you are saying but have you even seen the pros of this puff?
For one thing her ground game isn't that bad. Her smash attacks are quick and can kill well if timed right. Rest is punishable but it only give the opponent little to no time to use a powerful and fast enough move before she wakes up. Her wall of pain, gimping, back air KILLING at lower percents unlike Jigglypuff's other moves (80%+). HER AIR SPEED IS AMAZING. I main the Sm4sh puff and I don't have these problems (Other then the throw cons), but hey it's your opinion. I'm not trying to change your mind but you wanted an explanation, here you go.

 

[Wintermelon43]

Explain your reasoning, please? Jigglypuff is worse than she's ever been. Very little range, virtually nonexistent ground game, poor throw followups, lack of a kill throw, abysmal out of shield options, extremely light weight, off-the-top kills not causing Star or Screen KOs occasionally means that Rest can be unsafe on kill, no Rest confirms, absence of ledge-hogging means that her edgeguarding ability is drastically lowered. Jigglypuff struggles immensely against anyone with any sort of reasonable disjoint, especially the likes of Greninja, Marth, and Shulk.

Jigglypuff is almost definitely bottom 3.

Nonexistent ground game? That isn't true at all. Yes, it sucks, but it has some good attacks. Down throw can combo into up air (Another mistake you made), dash attack can rack damage, forward smash has okay frame data and can easily KO, Jab can followup into a grab or aieral due to the new shield changes, and up tilt can combo into a ton of moves.

Also, she has crazy good advantages in down and side specials, and her air attacks.

Edit:Btw, on Jigglypuff being the worst right now? Could you please do us a favor and search up "Super Smash Bros. Brawl"? Thanks.

 

[ARGHETH]

I understand what you are saying but have you even seen the pros of this puff?
For one thing her ground game isn't that bad. Her smash attacks are quick and can kill well if timed right. Rest is punishable but it only give the opponent little to no time to use a powerful and fast enough move before she wakes up. Her wall of pain, gimping, back air KILLING at lower percents unlike Jigglypuff's other moves (80%+). HER AIR SPEED IS AMAZING. I main the Sm4sh puff and I don't have these problems (Other then the throw cons), but hey it's your opinion. I'm not trying to change your mind but you wanted an explanation, here you go.

Who do you think is less viable than Jigglypuff?
Jigglypuff's smash attacks aren't exactly quick, at F16 for Fsmash/Usmash and F14 for Dsmash. That's almost the same speed as Robin's smashes (16/12/16).

 

[san.]

Who do you think is less viable than Jigglypuff?
Jigglypuff's smash attacks aren't exactly quick, at F16 for Fsmash/Usmash and F14 for Dsmash. That's almost the same speed as Robin's smashes (16/12/16).

Jigglypuff has a pretty short dash. Her slow ground speed actually lets her move back and forth relatively easily on the ground.

She wants to move around and use the occasional jab, dash attack, shield, and jump (and very rare attacks like sideB). Jigglypuff's shorthop doesn't go very high as well. Jigglypuff isn't going to spam smashes, even though fsmash is fairly powerful if she really needs to use it.

 

[Dr. Windbox]

I think the worst character is Palutena. She literally is the worst in neutral game, and she has almost 0 approach options. Zelda is not the worst, because when played to her best she has strong aerials and samus is not the worst either because she has her projectiles and a decent spike. Palutena has a spike yes, and is decent, but her projectile game is worse than samus for three reasons. #1 Samus' side B followed up by charge shot can break shields, #2 Samus has two projectiles, #3 Samus' charge shot kills, and #4 Samus' charge shot and side b don't have as much lag as palutena's projectile. Palutena is only decent with customs on, (which is not common in tournaments now) with her down throw comboing into up air or nair for a kill. Which is hard to get with lightweight on as she is to fast. Sorry plautena mains, but she is the worst.

 

[Nah]

Something to keep in mind is that "worst in the game" doesn't necessarily equate to "complete ****ing garbage with absolutely zero redeeming qualities", at least in this game. All characters in Smash 4 have strengths and weaknesses, even the bottom tier characters. Jiggles has some of the best aerial mobility in the game, Zelda has Farore's Wind, Nayru's Love, and decent raw kill power, Mewtwo has a very powerful projectile in Shadow Ball and has Teleport, etc. Even Sheik has weaknesses (her lightweight, abysmal damage per hit and knockback on most of her moves, a situational side-B), but why is she the current reigning Queen of Smash 4? Because she has the strengths that matter in this game, and they're so damn good they overcompensate for her "weaknesses".

That's the key thing; it's not that you have strengths/weaknesses or how many of them you have, it's what your strengths and weaknesses are that's truly important. The characters generally considered bottom (and low) tier all share one thing in common: they have severe weaknesses and are compensated for it far less than the people in the tiers above, and are, by comparison, not as good.

And yeah, I know that this thread is about who is dead last, someone has to be dead last, just like how in a tournament filled with skilled players, not everyone can make top 8 or 16 or whatever, but some of you are acting like [insert character here] isn't the bottom or bottom 3/5 simply because they have a good point(s).

Rest is punishable but it only give the opponent little to no time to use a powerful and fast enough move before she wakes up.

around 0:30 is the important part

yeah no, whiffing Rest gives people plenty of time to punish it and punish it hard




and that is your ramble for today

 

[MOI-ARI]

As much as I hate to admit it is probably the worst.

Also for everyone saying Palutena's the worst..(Zelda wishes she could do half the things she could do)

Cool just started using Palutena again, and was looking for that vid. xD Thanks.

--

And huh. This whole time i'd say to myself "Zelda isn't low teir. Midteir. A Solid character. ^_^"

But looking at the roster, I now realize i can't really defend her all that much XD Compared* to others in the cast, she is the definition of 'mediocre'. Especially when people are saying Palutena is worse, ( which she is absolutely NOT) Makes see how bad she has it.

But overall,even if thats the case i feel like she not 'bad' by that much really.

I feel like can take her spot ,since dying at %2 yet barely killing 10-15% earlier than Zelda. but Mewtwo players get pissed off when anyone says anything about it. But even then...

 

[ARGHETH]

yeah no, whiffing Rest gives people plenty of time to punish it and punish it hard

I think he's saying on hit, because whiffing Rest = big punish has been common knowledge ever since Melee (I hope).

 

[Nah]

I think he's saying on hit

Oh.....

Pretty sure it's still somewhat punishable on hit anyway though

 

[MarioMeteor]

Dear people who are saying Jigglypuff: what the **** are you smoking?

That aside, I'd probably say Samus. Not even the buffs were enough to fix her. At least all of Zelda's moves have decent hitboxes. At least she can kill at reasonable percents (hell, Zelda can kill at UNreasonable percents). At least she can actually land.

 

[ぱみゅ]

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