Wolf is way overpowered

[Smashbros_7]

He is by far the best character IMO. He`s fast, strong has a great ability to kill and he seems kind of heavy and hard to kill. I never lost as him before. EVER. He`s too good.

 

[Smashbros_7]

129 views, means truth!

 

[End Game]

Wolf's recovery would like a word with you.

 

[Undrdog]

And what's this about him being fast? He's one of the slower characters in terms of running speed.

 

[Ookami-kun]

I think by fast he meant by faster attacks.

 

[Xsyven]

One of the things that used to bother me about him was that he has about eighty tilts, throws, and aerials that send opponents upwards, when they should send them forward or backwards. But I still love him. <3

 

[Drack]

I thought so too until I learned more characters and played a lot more against skilled friends. Wolf is one of the easiest charcaters to pick up, but mastering takes a lot more effort. Also, countering Wolf takes a bit of effort to learn how to do, as he's not your average space animal, but is by no means impossible or too difficult.

Wolf isn't overpowered. He is punishable by faster characters like Metaknight, has recovery problems (his Up+B is easy to guard against, gets trapped under a lot of ledges, and makes Wolf fall straight down afterwards. Both Up+B and Side+B have punishable lag afterwards), and doesn't KO as well as other heavies and mediums - You know the KO percents (vs Mario in the middle of FD, no DI) in my guide? Wolf's best is Dsmash at 117%. Zelda's sweetspotted Bair, in the same test, KOs at 66%

Wolf kicks ***, but definitely isn't overpowered.

 

[Unexplanetory]

Yeah Wolf ain't OP, he is just a good character.

 

[JediSange]

To side note, the Prima guide claims he's the weakest of the space animals in terms of attack power

 

[star wolf the destroyer]

his atacks may be strong and fast but its an easy kill if you get him off the stage

 

[nrowdevastates]

yeah wolf may be able to put on a bunch of damage but can geet gimped with his up b and i get edge gaurded quite abit sometimes.

 

[Juicy]

wolf is a great character, my personal second but can be gimped off the stage

 

[544]

I think Wolf certainly has his strengths. Easily picked up, quick moves, etc. just add to him. I wouldn't main him personally, but I think he has great potential.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

Wolf may be good, but he's weaker than Ganondorf in the power department.

 

[BlackYoshi7]

his atacks may be strong and fast but its an easy kill if you get him off the stage

So was Falco in Melee, and he was god tier. But its just way too early to tell. Wolf is definitely a competitor. He's got a ton of great versatile moves and a solid projectile. If we're going to judge on getting "gimped", then Olimar should be bottom tier because he has the worst recovery in the entire game (hes basically the only character you can reliably edgehog), but we all know Olimar isn't bottom tier.

 

[BigRick]

To side note, the Prima guide claims he's the weakest of the space animals in terms of attack power

lmao post more funny stuff from the prima guide plz

 

[LucarioChris]

I've had lots of luck with his up and side B attacks, just not for recovering.

 

[JediSange]

The prima guide actually wasn't too bad this time around, haha... And I'd have to agree with it. Wolf definitely seems like he packs less of a punch than Falco when it comes to sheer attack power.

 

[LucarioChris]

I see what you're talking about (I have the gide too) but it's talking about launch power. Wolf seems to be able to rack up damage quicker than Falco.

 

[BooTastic]

He is by far the best character IMO. He`s fast, strong has a great ability to kill and he seems kind of heavy and hard to kill. I never lost as him before. EVER. He`s too good.

Seriously Now, you can call any character overpowered...think about it, Wolf is a great character but he is hard to learn and also...Look at his recovery then talk to me about it

 

[JediSange]

Yeh but if a character has higher launching power then he doesn't need to rack up 120+ dmg. I've smashed lighter characters off with Falco at 80+ percent.

 

[Scarface]

I was never really good with the star fox characters, but playing with Wolf I tend to get stuck under the stages a lot more often the Fox or Falco.

 

[Bocks]

once you learn to read wolfs moves and movement style hes easily(maybe not easilyyyyyy) countered

 

[Dragnil]

Wolf is good at first, but once you start playing pros more you learn hes not too great a character until mastered. Remember Brawl is probably the most balanced version of ssb.

 

[everlasting yayuhzz]

Wolf is the Falco of Brawl. Great on the stage, kind of ****ed off of it.

 

[Skazryk]

yeah, so far i like wolf alot, but his up is far to slow to be a decent recovery.

 

[Cornstalk]

To side note, the Prima guide claims he's the weakest of the space animals in terms of attack power

I thought Prima made really good guides... until like 1997 when I discovered how useful the internet was for finding tips on games. Then I realized how much Prima is fail. The amount of stuff they get wrong in every guide is down right mind boggling.




Wolf overpowered? Yes... BUT

Only from an 'average joe' sort of view. Ever been to game store tournies for melee? Small time stuff where a lot of players 15 and under show up thinking their hot stuff because they can take on level 9 AI's?

They almost always played Falco or Marth if they at least understood the basic mechanics of the game.

Wolf is the new Falco in that respect. A so-so player can pick him up, c-stick around the level, and feel like they're accomplishing something just like they did with Melee Falco's F-smash.


Punishable? Sure! Still frustrating for most casual players. (me included)

 

[CakeMONST3R]

I don't think he is over powered but he still very good

I think he is the best Space animal

 

[Jon2Anderson]

i am a fox user and I was really excited to learn when another Fox clone was in the game. i am looking forward to unlocking Wolf and I will then proceed to make him my main squeeze in brawl. word up.

 

[Bocks]

haha jon gl with that, they control very dif, not rly a clone

 

[Twilightwolf]

Well... would you rather him not be overpowered?

Actually (mentioned quite a few times), his recovery is not very good. That counts, right?

 

[DeeDoubleU]

haha jon gl with that, they control very dif, not rly a clone

What are you talking about? He's the text book definition of an SSBB clone. They all have somewhat different A moves in this one.

 

[Profanity]

What are you talking about? He's the text book definition of an SSBB clone. They all have somewhat different A moves in this one.

The textbook definition of an SSBB clone, eh? Is that something you made up, pray tell?

Nobody is going to entertain the idea that Wolf is a clone.

 

[yocheco619@yahoo.com]

Lol

Me and my buddy had been playing melee for a long time. I used to beat him but then he started using Falco and Jigglypuff and My Marth, Fox, and Mario couldnt take him (I was noob, thought i was hot sh*t).

So now I got Brawl, He was beating me still. Then I unlocked wolf. UNSTOPPABLE. Haven't lost since and he refuses to say that he is good. Yeah he says he is cheap but He doesnt notice any of the new thing I do. Anyway...

People say his recovery sucks. Truth is, you dont need it. Ya just gotta destory them. blast them and make them come to you then use that c-stick and A combos. Hes a monster.
I think that you guys are going to see Wolf in future big tournies.

Yeah he has weak spots if you spam that c-stick too much then they catch on but mix it up.

 

[Bocks]

Me and my buddy had been playing melee for a long time. I used to beat him but then he started using Falco and Jigglypuff and My Marth, Fox, and Mario couldnt take him (I was noob, thought i was hot sh*t).

So now I got Brawl, He was beating me still. Then I unlocked wolf. UNSTOPPABLE. Haven't lost since and he refuses to say that he is good. Yeah he says he is cheap but He doesnt notice any of the new thing I do. Anyway...

People say his recovery sucks. Truth is, you dont need it. Ya just gotta destory them. blast them and make them come to you then use that c-stick and A combos. Hes a monster.
I think that you guys are going to see Wolf in future big tournies.

Yeah he has weak spots if you spam that c-stick too much then they catch on but mix it up.

haha thats kind of true, you really dont need his recovery, but get this.. last nights tourney, i lost to marth, dmg given 233%, dmg taken 17% he hit me twice... but when i edge guarded, he ledge hogged my recovery PERFECTLY, oh yeah and i had a side b off the edge when spamming sh laser =) really disapointed overall, really showed wolfs weak recovery, gives them plenty of time to grab the edge of the stage if you miss with an edge guard

 

[Smashbros_7]

Bocks.... how do you not kill your opponent at 233%!?

 

[angdia]

i think he means damage given over all the lives (thats what it is in the post-game stats)

 

[TrueRedemption]

Wolf may or may not be overpowered, it is far to early to tell, as counter strategies and then counter counter strategies (aka the meta game) haven't had time to develop. However, the strongest factual argument you can make for wolf's superiority is the characteristics of his FSmash. The combination of combo-ability, speed, damage, range, and its ability to effectively approach in a way that no other character can is what makes it interesting and incredibly strong. As far as adjectives like "Broken" and "Overpowered" if they in fact do apply to Wolf, I would strongly attribute it to this move. Essentially it alone is capable of forcing any opponent to play defensively. (other than a mirror match) Is this advantage enough to make the character overpowered, I'm not sure. There were characters in SSBM such as shiek and falco that could limit effective play styles, and it was not broken. However, the counter point exists in that if wolf is too strong at eliminating defensive options, he is certainly unparalleled in general. As the game and techniques I know thus far plays out, I feel wolf is in fact strong against defensive play as well, but not effective at truly eliminating defensive options, and therefore is just very strong. Should a technique develop that pushes this strength against defensive play further, it could very easily tip the scale, we shall see.

I love discussion, so any thoughts on this breakdown of the situation?


-True

 

[Cpt.FalconFox]

To side note, the Prima guide claims he's the weakest of the space animals in terms of attack power

i agree i use to think wolf was good but he doesnt run fast, his AAA combo is good. but he doesnt do good dmg, what i mean by that is he doesnt have finish ko power, cuz when i use him i have no problem racking up% dmg but the killing part is hard even with the c-stick, the F smash covers good distance and hits but doesnt send em flying only if you can catch a character around 90% dmg and do the Up smash will u ko , andywayz i have trouble ko'ing ppl with wolf especially heavy chars

 

[Bocks]

i agree i use to think wolf was good but he doesnt run fast, his AAA combo is good. but he doesnt do good dmg, what i mean by that is he doesnt have finish ko power, cuz when i use him i have no problem racking up% dmg but the killing part is hard even with the c-stick, the F smash covers good distance and hits but doesnt send em flying only if you can catch a character around 90% dmg and do the Up smash will u ko , andywayz i have trouble ko'ing ppl with wolf especially heavy chars

This is completely wrong, wolf has better KO power than most characters, his fsmash and dsmash are both fast an KO in the low 100's, he also has a more than decent edge guard spike, furthermore his Usmash is the worst of the three, not in % dealt but in KO power, also it has low priority and comes out slow.. further furthermore his AAA combo is also a weakness, most people just dont know how to counter it, they freak out and try to shield / DI, while instead they can also press A sqeezing in a jab in between the intervals of wolfs (most characters can do this, wolfs jab combo is SLOW)