~Firefly~
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Yoshi Match-Ups/Match-Up Chart
- Thread starter Z'zgashi
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i luv u firefly <3
rofl
poop is a solid word
rofl
poop is a solid word
not punny
BryE
Smash Journeyman
I've been in the smash community for about half of a semester, (my first actual brawl tournament happened around late August), and I'm really starting to believe that you have to play campy in Brawl to win.If you're not playing completely campy or gay, youre not playing competitive smash right.
After the fall of MK, I've just been seeing a lot of D3s and Falcos in which both of them play completely campy. (D3s abuse of bair and chaingrabs and Falco's chaingrab, lazer, side b spam)
This is just discouraging me to continue to play as Link in tournaments because he'll just get shut down by the higher tiers. And it's already bad enough that I'm getting told by pros to "pick up a better character."
Stuff like this makes me want to quit brawl and revert back to smash 64 and melee. However I don't want to because the brawl community can be decent at times.
Delta-cod
Smash Hero
To be honest, you ARE playing Link, and he definitely has trouble against these characters. Falco and D3 DO have flaws that can be abused, and it's not too uncommon to see faster, higher tiered characters abuse these flaws.
I won't tell you to pick up a better character, but I will tell you to change your mindset on the metagame. The key is not to camp, the key is to be patient. Strict camping makes you lose opportunities. You need to be able to keep zoning your enemy until you see an opening or act on a read, then carry that momentum as long as you can, safely. The momentum is the faster part of Brawl that you see. The campy stuff happens when neither side has momentum at all.
I won't tell you to pick up a better character, but I will tell you to change your mindset on the metagame. The key is not to camp, the key is to be patient. Strict camping makes you lose opportunities. You need to be able to keep zoning your enemy until you see an opening or act on a read, then carry that momentum as long as you can, safely. The momentum is the faster part of Brawl that you see. The campy stuff happens when neither side has momentum at all.
Mr. game and watch
Smash Master
Also, when I play I don't watch my character.
I watch the opponents character.
I know yoshi. I know what he does, I know how he moves.
If I see him move a way I don't want him to in my perephrials, I can easily catch it.
If I watch the opponet I can punish every mistake.
I watch the opponents character.
I know yoshi. I know what he does, I know how he moves.
If I see him move a way I don't want him to in my perephrials, I can easily catch it.
If I watch the opponet I can punish every mistake.
Fuujin
Smash Champion
Sooooo Yoshi prolly loses to Zelda.
Discuss
Discuss
inb4everyonetypeslolno
Fuujin
Smash Champion
But Yoshi is bad.
Also dat d-tilt to b-air even though he's not that fat.
Just wait till we start remember to do it on him.
Also dat d-tilt to b-air even though he's not that fat.
Just wait till we start remember to do it on him.
~Firefly~
Smash Hero
Fuujin
Smash Champion
You have something to say FIREFLY???
I like how the video next to it is "IS THAT A CHALLENGE???"
Fuujin
Smash Champion
Also firefly you play dirty.
Hitting Zelda while transforming is like hitting a character while taunting.
You deserved to lose TBH.
No sympathy from me!
Hitting Zelda while transforming is like hitting a character while taunting.
You deserved to lose TBH.
No sympathy from me!
Zelda's jab > Yoshi
LOL poor Jake<3
~Firefly~
Smash Hero
I play much dirtier in friendlies than I do in tournament. A couple months ago, I grab release infinited a Wario in doubles friendlies at a smashfest the night before a tournament. The next day, I played 2 singles GFs sets with him and didn't do a single standing regrab on him.
oh woe is me~
Z'zgashi
Smash Legend
The Yoshi/Zelda MU imo is even.
I dunno.
The only redeemable factor Zelda has against Yoshi is that she laughs at his shield.
But everyone does this, so it doesn't matter.
The only redeemable factor Zelda has against Yoshi is that she laughs at his shield.
But everyone does this, so it doesn't matter.
Airborne
Smash Lord
Is it bad that I laugh at people while I'm in my shield then?
/shieldsmart
/shieldsmart
C'mon guys. It's Zelda.
+1 in Yoshi's favour.
+1 in Yoshi's favour.
V3ctorMan
Smash Champion
Been watchin many Brawl Yoshi's, sorta cool watchin you guys play! ^^
Sorry don't mind me
<3 Yoshi players <3
If I ever go that route and play Brawl, hope you Yoshi's help me out! ^^
Sorry don't mind me
<3 Yoshi players <3
If I ever go that route and play Brawl, hope you Yoshi's help me out! ^^
Aurablast
Smash Cadet
I know that gameplays in EU are (a bit) different than in US but I will probably say some things about that MU. I didn't have it practiced a lot, but I would say that it's -1.
Firstly, I think Zelda will always have the advantage on long distance. Her Side-B lets her camp and her neutral-B throws-back our eggs. Zelda's camp is, I think, not a very useful camp, but it may force Yoshi to approach constantly.
Now the big problem of Yoshi in this MU must be its defense, mostly its shield and its hurtbox. Zelda's Fair and Bair are really easy to do on Yoshi, and Zelda's Usmash is really hard to SDI at high percent with Yoshi.
Yoshi has also good advantages on this MU. Zelda is very light weight. So she would be easy to juggle in the air, as her aerial mobility suxx. She also shouln't give Yoshi a problem for killing her, I think Usmash and Uair while punishing her landings would be the best killmoves onstage.
Offstage is also a very good point for Yoshi, Zelda isn't really hard to gimp with Fair/Dair/Nair. Zelda can also hurt badly Yoshi offstage so be careful
I don't think that Yoshi's Super Armor (on double jump) is really effective in this MU, except perhaps on Zelda's Fair/Bair failed
I'm mainly defensive when I play Yoshi but I think that playing this MU aggressively should be really more effective.
To do :
- Lot of pressure / agressive gameplay
- Put Zelda in the air (Bair to Utilt ; jab to dash grab to Uthrow/Dthrow ; Egglay ...)
- Put Zelda offstage and edgeguard her a lot
- Be careful on Zelda's killmoves
Not to do :
- Try to camp
- Try to be defensive
I hesitate between even and -1 but I would say -1
Firstly, I think Zelda will always have the advantage on long distance. Her Side-B lets her camp and her neutral-B throws-back our eggs. Zelda's camp is, I think, not a very useful camp, but it may force Yoshi to approach constantly.
Now the big problem of Yoshi in this MU must be its defense, mostly its shield and its hurtbox. Zelda's Fair and Bair are really easy to do on Yoshi, and Zelda's Usmash is really hard to SDI at high percent with Yoshi.
Yoshi has also good advantages on this MU. Zelda is very light weight. So she would be easy to juggle in the air, as her aerial mobility suxx. She also shouln't give Yoshi a problem for killing her, I think Usmash and Uair while punishing her landings would be the best killmoves onstage.
Offstage is also a very good point for Yoshi, Zelda isn't really hard to gimp with Fair/Dair/Nair. Zelda can also hurt badly Yoshi offstage so be careful
I don't think that Yoshi's Super Armor (on double jump) is really effective in this MU, except perhaps on Zelda's Fair/Bair failed
I'm mainly defensive when I play Yoshi but I think that playing this MU aggressively should be really more effective.
To do :
- Lot of pressure / agressive gameplay
- Put Zelda in the air (Bair to Utilt ; jab to dash grab to Uthrow/Dthrow ; Egglay ...)
- Put Zelda offstage and edgeguard her a lot
- Be careful on Zelda's killmoves
Not to do :
- Try to camp
- Try to be defensive
I hesitate between even and -1 but I would say -1
you're awesome :DBeen watchin many Brawl Yoshi's, sorta cool watchin you guys play! ^^
Sorry don't mind me
<3 Yoshi players <3
If I ever go that route and play Brawl, hope you Yoshi's help me out! ^^
Z'zgashi
Smash Legend
Use more ftilt and dash attack against Zelda and you'll see she doesnt have any advantage. Ftilt will knock her up to an easy place to get juggled, it is fast, and it has nice range (its also very hard for her to punish), and dash attack clanks with her Din's Fire allowing us to cancel it and cancel all our lag while she still finishes hers, making running at her a huge advantage especially when at moderate distances.
Overall though, it's still even imo due to the fact that Zelda's tools all work better on us due to our crap shield and large hurtbox.
Overall though, it's still even imo due to the fact that Zelda's tools all work better on us due to our crap shield and large hurtbox.
Zelda's long distance camp is decent vs Yoshi, but this doesn't stop Yoshi from just shielding/air dodging/spot dodging Din's Fire.
At mid range it's probably evenish, assuming you're throwing eggs and not doing something else.
Zelda won't have any problems punishing ftilt. lol
She would have more problems punishing bair imo, or any aerial that capitalises on Yoshi's horizontal aerial speed.
Just don't go above her. lol
At mid range it's probably evenish, assuming you're throwing eggs and not doing something else.
Zelda won't have any problems punishing ftilt. lol
She would have more problems punishing bair imo, or any aerial that capitalises on Yoshi's horizontal aerial speed.
Just don't go above her. lol
Mr. game and watch
Smash Master
How do I beat olimar?
Z'zgashi
Smash Legend
Egg Lay > Dsmash
Mr. game and watch
Smash Master
I do that actually.
But still get pikmind before I can get to him
But still get pikmind before I can get to him
Z'zgashi
Smash Legend
Utilt hits all pikmin on you off of you.
Depster
Smash Champion
Did the people talking about Zelda forget that Nair tanks against Din's fire?
tbh, I think that the whole "use attack a or attack b to clash with Din's Fire!" is dumb because you can screw up your timing with it, while airdodging or spotdodging are far superior.
Z'zgashi
Smash Legend
It's really easy to time though. Just look at Zelda's hand movements, she makes it blatantly obvious that she's about to set it off, and it gives you like, half a second to react to it. You guys overate that move, it's really not that amazing and not the reason she goes even with us.
I'm not talking about even, I'm just talking about underrating Dins Fire
The Hitbox is infinitely big, she can releasei t in distance and hit you without it getting clanked by Nair because Nairs hitbox is jut not big enough.
The Hitbox is infinitely big, she can releasei t in distance and hit you without it getting clanked by Nair because Nairs hitbox is jut not big enough.
Z'zgashi
Smash Legend
Our air speed makes timing this near impossible, and even if she did, air dodge.
Just air dodge toward her. Don't even bother trying to outprioritise it. You guys are fast in the air.
There is ridiculous ending lag on the move, so just punish it. :/
Edit:
I'm not trying to be mean btw, Fluttershy.
I just couldn't think of a better answer.
There is ridiculous ending lag on the move, so just punish it. :/
Umm, no. lol
Edit:
I'm not trying to be mean btw, Fluttershy.
I just couldn't think of a better answer.
Z'zgashi
Smash Legend
Um, I play Zelda all the time. If you dont believe me, look at my state's PR: http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=312281
I play against Zelda ALL THE TIME, Im pretty sure I know what Im doing, considering I beat him every time I play him.
I mean, look at this post if you dont think he's good: http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?p=12092312
The only reason he's not listed Top 5, is because he personally asked not to be for reasons like being inactive at the time: http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12096561&postcount=298
He's active again now and back to his original skill level, so should probably be put back on the top Zelda list again.
So please, I know the Zelda MU, I know how it works better than, im willing to bet, most Yoshis. Also, when you say:
I play against Zelda ALL THE TIME, Im pretty sure I know what Im doing, considering I beat him every time I play him.
I mean, look at this post if you dont think he's good: http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?p=12092312
The only reason he's not listed Top 5, is because he personally asked not to be for reasons like being inactive at the time: http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=12096561&postcount=298
He's active again now and back to his original skill level, so should probably be put back on the top Zelda list again.
So please, I know the Zelda MU, I know how it works better than, im willing to bet, most Yoshis. Also, when you say:
When we nair her Din's Fire, it clanks ending all of our lag leaving us lagless. I'm not trying to be mean btw, but please learn and understand Yoshi before you comment thinking you know how he works better than the people who actually use him.
I was talking about Din's Fire yeah.
But seriously, I'm imagining that with Yoshi's air speed, it would be better to just air dodge toward Zelda rather than mucking around nairing it. lol
But seriously, I'm imagining that with Yoshi's air speed, it would be better to just air dodge toward Zelda rather than mucking around nairing it. lol
Z'zgashi
Smash Legend
Either works, I already said that, but sometimes its better to nair due to the fact that you can instantly jump, use an attack, etc right after instead of having to wait for your dodge to end. Air dodge is a little safer, but nair will allow you to retaliate faster and gives you your options far sooner than an air dodge would.
Mmmkay, that's fair enough.
I personally don't mind though, since I have less trouble dealing with people who try to cancel it out with a move (Peach excepted, since her air dodge is lol and nair won't ruin her float) rather than people who air dodge it, since the cooldown on Din's Fire is so long.
Edit:
Why am I even on the Yoshi boards. /tears
I personally don't mind though, since I have less trouble dealing with people who try to cancel it out with a move (Peach excepted, since her air dodge is lol and nair won't ruin her float) rather than people who air dodge it, since the cooldown on Din's Fire is so long.
Edit:
Why am I even on the Yoshi boards. /tears
V3ctorMan
Smash Champion
Would this be where I go to post a video of me vs someone?
so you guys can laugh at my horrendous Dino, but hey gotta start somewhere right?
hmmmmm, perhaps you guys teach me a Brawl Yoshi, and i'll teach a melee yoshi?
that a fair deal?
EDIT: Idk if i'll post the vids, lol, i ook soo horrendous.. and no idea what im doin, but >.< gahhh idk...
sorry
/end panic
so you guys can laugh at my horrendous Dino, but hey gotta start somewhere right?
hmmmmm, perhaps you guys teach me a Brawl Yoshi, and i'll teach a melee yoshi?
that a fair deal?
EDIT: Idk if i'll post the vids, lol, i ook soo horrendous.. and no idea what im doin, but >.< gahhh idk...
sorry
/end panic