doesn't cover them up Bing onto stage at all.
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Q&A Falco Q&A
- Thread starter Mogwai
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JPOBS
Smash Hero
k so what do i do against a fox that consistent ly breaks my sheild pressure by Full hopping Nair oos?
it seems like a stpid enough strategy but i lost cuz i couldnt adjust to it the set we played.
so what sort of shield pressure prevent him from doing this?
i noticed he typically full hopped after the first aerial->shine then he'd fast fall it and hit me while i was in the process of doing a Dair on his would-be sheild.
it seems like a stpid enough strategy but i lost cuz i couldnt adjust to it the set we played.
so what sort of shield pressure prevent him from doing this?
i noticed he typically full hopped after the first aerial->shine then he'd fast fall it and hit me while i was in the process of doing a Dair on his would-be sheild.
greenlink
Smash Apprentice
- Joined
- May 17, 2005
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When he full hops out react, land your short hop withough dairing and CC shine. (or is this too hard to react to?)
full hop dair. Falco says, **** your full hop Fox, I'm a ****ing bird with infinite priority below me, suck it. Your jump gets airborne 2 frames before his so you should be constantly above him and never at risk of being naired.
KAOSTAR
the Ascended One
grab ledge while keeping invincibility and ledge hop bair if they go onto the stage. if they go to ledge just roll.
you can also bair just about any point you know where they are going
you can also bair just about any point you know where they are going
JPOBS
Smash Hero
lol?
its pretty hard. understanding that im full out pillaring his sheild , and the nair comes out pretty fast and t either clips me on the way up, or on the way down when im in l-cancel lag.
i guess it comes down to simply knowing that he's going to do it. shouldnt be too hard because he was doing it very consistently.
thanks, i'll have to work on this.
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
Multishine his shield. Do 2 or so JC Shines and then something else after every now and then. Multishine counters WD OoS and a bunch of other common anti-pressure strategies, so it's very useful at times.
shine grab works too I think
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
Even if it doesn't work legitimately it'll still probably work in practice because people aren't frame perfect.
If you Multishine every now and then, they'll probably become content to sit in shield and wait for the Shine to push them out of range so then you just grab or try to shield poke with a low Dair or something gay. And if they don't sit in shield you just keep doing the Multishine stuff because it'll **** them out of pretty much anything they do except roll.
If you Multishine every now and then, they'll probably become content to sit in shield and wait for the Shine to push them out of range so then you just grab or try to shield poke with a low Dair or something gay. And if they don't sit in shield you just keep doing the Multishine stuff because it'll **** them out of pretty much anything they do except roll.
WakingTheFallen
Smash Cadet
yeah multishines, shine grab, or waveshine-ing away to lasers/dair after the fox full hopped nairs should help. you just have to keep him guessing. mix up those and i'm pretty sure he'll have a tough time.
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
FH Nair isn't even a good answer to shield pressure. Sounds like some funny business is afoot.
But yeah. If you are absolutely 100% positive you know when he'll do it, you can out-gimmick him. You could honestly probably WD back really far and then charge F-smash and hit him when he lands.
Not that I'd recommend anything like that, though.
But yeah. If you are absolutely 100% positive you know when he'll do it, you can out-gimmick him. You could honestly probably WD back really far and then charge F-smash and hit him when he lands.
Not that I'd recommend anything like that, though.
Big_R
Smash Champion
u should roll
WakingTheFallen
Smash Cadet
yeah i've never heard of full hop nair as an answer to this nor have i heard it being effective. it's weird to me why he does it.
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
People are flawed and sometimes don't take well to strategies they are unfamiliar with.
What JPOBS really needs to do more, though, is CC Shine some of the weak Nairs that Guru and Zen hit him with at low percent and get those free 60% combos.
What JPOBS really needs to do more, though, is CC Shine some of the weak Nairs that Guru and Zen hit him with at low percent and get those free 60% combos.
THEY AREN'T FREE YOU HAVE TO TAKE THAT WEAK NAIR'S DAMAGE!
but yea, CC shine is ****.
but yea, CC shine is ****.
Fortress | Sveet
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Is falco significantly heavier than fox? I get CC->shined a lot against falcos, but i can't do it back 
what move of Falco's are you tring to CC?
Fortress | Sveet
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nair/dair .
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
Trading 8% for 60% and possibly an edgeguard isn't a trade it's a steal.
Falco is heavier.
Also obligatory LOL at trying to CC
I agree that it's a steal the same way that "like, OMG, these shoes are only $69.99? what a steal!" but not in the same way as like taking a pack of gum from the store is a steal.
if he nairs early and hits you with the weak hitbox high, you can CC shine, but if he waits on his aerial appropriately and hits with the strong hitbox and hits sorta lowish, you're screwed. also lol at trying to CC his dair.
Fortress | Sveet
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:newbie: <-- me
stop jumping, start walking and CCing
WakingTheFallen
Smash Cadet
spotdodge->shine?
that would work.
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
Beat his Nair with U-tilt.
Falco's U-tilt is mad ridiculous. PP and Blunted Object frequently eat Fox Nairs with U-tilts.
Falco's U-tilt is mad ridiculous. PP and Blunted Object frequently eat Fox Nairs with U-tilts.
pockyD
Smash Legend
are you ****ing gay
Stratford
Smash Champion
Sounds solid against fulljump nair.
Utilt is sooo good. =p It stops SH Nair too(occasionally they will trade, but at lower percents it's worth it). If Fox tries to aim his Nair behind you to anticipate if you RSHL'd or they go in to grab, then you just turn around and Utilt and get a nice combo. Obviously it can be punished so don't spam it.
That was worded pretty badly, but i hope it makes sense.
It's also really good at keeping aggro Foxes from staying on top of you in general.
That was worded pretty badly, but i hope it makes sense.
It's also really good at keeping aggro Foxes from staying on top of you in general.
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
Falco's U-tilt, for practical purposes, is often better than Fox's. Why people don't use U-tilt to **** aerial approaches and get ******** combos as a defensive mixup (from his usual defensive game) completely escapes me.
TresChikon
Smash Lord
CC shine combos are just so much more aesthetically pleasing.
Anyways, so if you're smart with it, you can maintain control against Foxes, but can it be used to clip Falco's aerials just as effectively?
I mean dair is like...like...like...good, you know, right? It's like...yeah...you know?
Anyways, so if you're smart with it, you can maintain control against Foxes, but can it be used to clip Falco's aerials just as effectively?
I mean dair is like...like...like...good, you know, right? It's like...yeah...you know?
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
I don't think it's as good against Falco because Falco's Dair beats anti-air moves. Also, lasers turn you around so you have to always turn around to get your back to them in order to use the good part of the hitbox. Falcos also approach less with FJs than Foxes.
then he doesn't FH nair ... =Pstop jumping, start walking and CCing
personally I love to DJ and shoot one high, one low laser when he does that FH nair thing
but thats hard when im rusty =/
yeah i should use utilt more =)
KirbyKaze
Smash Legend
I think I am in love with your sig.
Niko45
Smash Master
Those better be some Jordans if they're a steal at 70 bucks.
Ben-Teezee
Smash Apprentice
- Joined
- Sep 30, 2009
- Messages
- 152
im in complete utter love with uptilt vs capt falcon, it stop EVERYTHING he does.
try this next time u fight a falcon: theyre shuffling nairs like maniacs (like all falcons), turn around right outside nair range-----> wait------> they jump in or run in-----> up-tilt-----> proceed to take off their stock.
its hilarious to watch and extremely fun to do. and its even better when they get all frustrated and dont know what to do... then its like just **** from their on out.
try this next time u fight a falcon: theyre shuffling nairs like maniacs (like all falcons), turn around right outside nair range-----> wait------> they jump in or run in-----> up-tilt-----> proceed to take off their stock.
its hilarious to watch and extremely fun to do. and its even better when they get all frustrated and dont know what to do... then its like just **** from their on out.
Since my C. Falcon game is mostly the product of playing Scar and Hax, I've come to realize just how punishable utilt is...
Which isn't to say that it's not insanely good, but if you telegraph your utilts, you will get ****ing ***** by good Falcons. You just need to be careful and not spam it, pick your spots with it wisely.
Scidadle
Smash Champion
I've uptilted nairs before....
It's so ****
It's so ****