Psshhhhhh, I could still throw out SH aerials that would outprioritize anything CF could ever do.
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JigglyZelda003
Smash Hero
you can just blow on CF and it outprioriterizes anything he does lol.
Lightning93
Smash Champion
ANYTHING??? I'm sorry but you're sorely mistaken, lol. In compensation for his so called "low priority" Captain Falcon is the only one in the universe with a power level high enough to perform the:
FALCON PAWNCH!
JigglyZelda003
Smash Hero
when Luigis fireball stops Falcon punch you know something is wrong.
>___>
besides Ganon has the shadow fist and the smoking crotch lol
>___>
besides Ganon has the shadow fist and the smoking crotch lol
Uzima (Uzi)
Smash Lord
Lightning93
Smash Champion
Oh sorry I think we have confusion here, I meant when the attack is actually initiated and you can see the actual Falcon fire bird lol. Does that really get out-prioritized by Luigi's fireball? I know it does when he is charging it up... please tell me it doesn't my life wouldn't make sense anymore.
And Ganon lol don't ask but the only reason his warlock punch and smoking crotch attacks are so good, is because he has the chicken power of KFC. If he doesn't get his chicken... oh boy are you done for...
Lightning93
Smash Champion
Man, I just read the first page of this discussion and now I'm sad... Fox is not dead... I will show you all!
But I'm preaching to the choir here lol... (at least you guys understand me right?)
My combo video with monkeyx4 will be coming out soon, and I think it will outdo any I've seen so far. I haven't seen a combo video with Fox yet that accumulates so much damage quickly and without being predictable with smashes. Not to mention the people we play are actually really good.
ALL I NEED IS A TITLE LOL!
But I'm preaching to the choir here lol... (at least you guys understand me right?)
My combo video with monkeyx4 will be coming out soon, and I think it will outdo any I've seen so far. I haven't seen a combo video with Fox yet that accumulates so much damage quickly and without being predictable with smashes. Not to mention the people we play are actually really good.
ALL I NEED IS A TITLE LOL!
Uzima (Uzi)
Smash Lord
heck man I'm out there doing my best.
Fox shall rise again!!
Fox shall rise again!!
JigglyZelda003
Smash Hero
oh i know what you ment light about the Falcon lol. i heard the fireball stops it but idk. i don't want to test it for myself cause if it does then i can just pick luigi and fireball spam all the noob CFs lol. other than that the poor guy is already down enough. i can't wait for that combo video.
Sukai
Smash Champion
I buffed my Fox strategy to great levels.
I think I'm getting through to unlocking his pro potential.
I grab a fair bit at low percentages, namely the down throw, forward on occasion, back throw to send off ledge.
I make good use of the forward air wall, I do the down air sparingly, to keep from getting repetative. I use the up tilt lock, and I use it occasionally at higher percentages. I camp a little as well, mostly to sneak in some good damage when they least expect it. My main evasive moves is dashing back just a small bit, or a full hop, I shield grab my fair share as well. I think my most notable traits of my strategy is that I deliberately save all my smash attacks until higher percentages, so no move negation, which is something Fox suffers from hard in the long run.
I can shine gimp the following with ease:
Ike
Lucario
Pit
Samus
Bowser
Donkey Kong
Ivysaur
Any comments or tips?
I think I'm getting through to unlocking his pro potential.
I grab a fair bit at low percentages, namely the down throw, forward on occasion, back throw to send off ledge.
I make good use of the forward air wall, I do the down air sparingly, to keep from getting repetative. I use the up tilt lock, and I use it occasionally at higher percentages. I camp a little as well, mostly to sneak in some good damage when they least expect it. My main evasive moves is dashing back just a small bit, or a full hop, I shield grab my fair share as well. I think my most notable traits of my strategy is that I deliberately save all my smash attacks until higher percentages, so no move negation, which is something Fox suffers from hard in the long run.
I can shine gimp the following with ease:
Ike
Lucario
Pit
Samus
Bowser
Donkey Kong
Ivysaur
Any comments or tips?
Alright, let me put it this way. Let's say you throw in a Usmash or Dsmash at around...40%. Now, average weight characters won't die until around 100%. Looking at moves that will be used reasonably well:
Blaster
Grab Attack
Bair
Nair
Fair
Dair
Utilt
And remember, I'm only looking at single moves, by themselves. When you get momentum with Fox, you'll probably be stringing a bunch of these together. Now, do you think you can fit 10 moves between 40% to 100%? If so, go for the occasional smash if you can land it. It keeps you from becoming predictable.
Also, use Bair kills.
JigglyZelda003
Smash Hero
i think the only smash i save is Usmash otherwise i throw out a random Fsmash once in a while and Dsmashes
Lightning93
Smash Champion
And please don't be afraid of drills. I know most people think drills are overused, but sometimes it gets to the extreme where they're relying on racking damage with SH f-airs, which is good at medium percentages, but when you can easily follow up with something so opportunistic like d-air please don't waste it.
Also start incorporating more off-edge play into your strategy, the shine spike is great, but you want to be able to get to a point where it becomes natural and can gimp any character. If your smart you can even gimp a metaknight lol. The most efficient way of doing this at lower percentages however is to do a drill-shine, or fast-fall drill. Fast-fall drills can be dangerous, but I'm working out how to do fast-fall drill to foostool spike. This kills your opponent because you spike him the rest of the way, and you get a major boost to easy recovery.
Grab game is good, but remember following up grabs aren't always the easiest or most efficient option.
I guess this match has some good Fox gameplay, it's one of my AiB ranked matches against a high-ranked move abuser I lol at my last kill on this vid every time, it gets good after my first kill:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AE4bdtqIgGo
Also start incorporating more off-edge play into your strategy, the shine spike is great, but you want to be able to get to a point where it becomes natural and can gimp any character. If your smart you can even gimp a metaknight lol. The most efficient way of doing this at lower percentages however is to do a drill-shine, or fast-fall drill. Fast-fall drills can be dangerous, but I'm working out how to do fast-fall drill to foostool spike. This kills your opponent because you spike him the rest of the way, and you get a major boost to easy recovery.
Grab game is good, but remember following up grabs aren't always the easiest or most efficient option.
I guess this match has some good Fox gameplay, it's one of my AiB ranked matches against a high-ranked move abuser I lol at my last kill on this vid every time, it gets good after my first kill:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AE4bdtqIgGo
JigglyZelda003
Smash Hero
@ 0:58. dont ya just love tripping?
Sukai
Smash Champion
Thats how I used to roll, but then I find my self up smashing people at 150% and them still surviving, and the way I see it, the longer the fight persists, the more likely I am to **** up.
So as a safe method, I save my up smash until about 90%, it'll kill just about anyone without move negation. But I guess, I can sneak in a down smash or forward a bit more often.
I use back air sometimes as well, even at higher percentages, and to this day I've never seen it kill.
Don't get me wrong, I do when I know I'll more than likely hit with it if thats what you mean, it makes a fun edge guearding move as well. But I can't say how much I used to get shield grabbed because I relied too much on the drill, it is very much so overused, so I get it in when I know I can. I don't use it as a casual approach anymore, well, not as often.
I'm working on that. I can gimp on occasion, but the ones I mentioned earlier, I can gimp from 0%. My off stage play needs the most work, as I often screw up. I'm a mad abuser of the back air stage spike, which is always just too classic when I'm going up against tether users or flying characters who like to come up from below the stage. It also works wonders for edge hogs, who are too **** scared to come up and face the music. But aside from that, I just camp then until they manage to come back. Then I'll test their smarts and instincts by staying just a little over them and see if they screw up with wither getting up or attacking while getting up, which I'll punish with a killing up smash or forward throw.
I suck at footstooling. I don't rely on it to kill, but in the lucky instance that I can pull one off, which I have done, a few time deliberately, but playfully, it is a rewarding experience.
Not bad. I'll be taking that Up tilt lock to grab.
It looks like a good mix up.
Thanks.
JigglyZelda003
Smash Hero
oh yeah the video was sexy anyway. and you've never seen Bair KO? lol
Lightning93
Smash Champion
I'm glad I could help!
Fenrir VII
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Not bad, Light... +1 Fox > MK xD
I'm not really sure how he got high ranked, but yeah...still not a bad vid.
I'm not really sure how he got high ranked, but yeah...still not a bad vid.
Fenrir VII
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I understand this is over wifi, so two assumptions can be made:
1. The MK will do better than some other characters online due to being more easily played over lag
2. The MK will be a better player offline, most likely.
But yeah, I was watching that...kinda like... hmm... AiB is borken
Lightning93
Smash Champion
Well, some people I guess are really good at move abusing. I couldn't believe he was high ranked either. When he first challenged me I was like WOAH. He sounded like a jerk though, I was like "Hi!" And he responds "host."
My Fox has seen better matches though but here's the same guy again playing as G&W now.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m585wkiOAFw
JigglyZelda003
Smash Hero
and this is why i hate G@W. Bair Bair Bair, mindless Bair. its like part of your brain is allowed to shutdown when you pick characters like that. Dair is almost just as annoying.
SmashBrother2008
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But that gives you clearence to laugh at them for possesing suckage. You can ridicule them of thier failure to use real skill that they developed by actually playing. Tell those who abuse to GTFO and stop maining characters specifically becuase they are broken.
Lightning93
Smash Champion
I guess you could put it that way, but I'n fine enjoying silent victory, I don't need to rub it in and provoke conflict. Besides I won, I was happy. Also the fact that I can savor this victory later in replays and with my friends. Notice how I said he was ANON although I still remember his real name.
Sukai
Smash Champion
You've seen one Game & Watch, you've seen them all.
This the exact reason I dislike Pikachu.
I've never seen the down smash abused so much.
This the exact reason I dislike Pikachu.
I've never seen the down smash abused so much.
Pikas dsmash? You can DI it every time, you should be more worried about Pika's QAC and his chaingrab.
JigglyZelda003
Smash Hero
yeah, Dsmash spam Pika = fail. but then as Fox why would you be facing that rat anyway? lol
Veggi
Smash Champion
That looked really good. It made the tornado look like it sucked.
Lightning93
Smash Champion
Lol ty everyone for the nice comments! I don't know about you guys but if you need a cp for Pikachu, Diddy is always a fun and easy character to win with, especially if you start timing and mindgaming like a pro. It's probably just me but I find it really easy to trap someone with glide tossing and smashes.
Anyways, back to Fox, I should be done with my combo video by tomorrow! I hope you all will enjoy it!
Anyways, back to Fox, I should be done with my combo video by tomorrow! I hope you all will enjoy it!
Veggi
Smash Champion
*feels the need to go back to Pikachu*
Everytime I think about counter-picking Pikachu I'm thinking "Oh, I'll just use Fox" and then I remember the dreaded down throw. I just use Mario against Pikachu, he can reflect his projectiles and reflecting Thunder is lol. Plus FLUDD'ing his QAC is super fun.
JigglyZelda003
Smash Hero
its not just the throw Veggi, its everything from Pika except B and down B lol. i'd just go peach against that rat anyway.
Lightning93
Smash Champion
*doesn't admit he likes to play Pikachu for easy wins sometimes*
Oh, sorry what were we talking about? Cp's for Pikachu? Does it really just depend on who else you're good with?
Oh, sorry what were we talking about? Cp's for Pikachu? Does it really just depend on who else you're good with?
JigglyZelda003
Smash Hero
i see a brawl contradiction right there lol. and yeah anyone else your good with should do against Pika, well anyone else that can not have his CG manhandle you.
Veggi
Smash Champion
Actually, I don't have a problem with his other moves. I thought about going Peach for that match, then I thought "I'm going to need to get to the ground within a minute or Pikachu is going to **** me out of the sky."
Lightning93
Smash Champion
Well ESCOOSE ME. Maybe I get easy wins with Pikachu compared to other characters huh?i see a brawl contradiction right there lol. and yeah anyone else your good with should do against Pika, well anyone else that can not have his CG manhandle you.
I'm jk anyways, the seriousness is @ the matchup boards, did you get a hold of M@V yet?
JigglyZelda003
Smash Hero
not yet lol. im gonna put 1000 vms on his board to get him mad lol. and thats not unusually i have easy wins against Snake >___>
@Veggi
if your talking about thunder **** thats easily avoidable. his air attacks don't exactly out priority peachs much. its perfectly safe to pick peach against him.
@Veggi
if your talking about thunder **** thats easily avoidable. his air attacks don't exactly out priority peachs much. its perfectly safe to pick peach against him.
Sukai
Smash Champion
Pretty much anything that Fox can't handle, my Link can.
For instance, my Fox has a hard time taking down a job cancel-happy Ike, but my Link can tear him to shreads.
Its quite funny too.
People make the mistake of underestimating Link.
And then you notice a steep turn in their playstyle.
They get more cautious and aggressive once they realize that Link doesn't take ****.
I love beating on Toon Links with Link, because the described reation above never fails.
For instance, my Fox has a hard time taking down a job cancel-happy Ike, but my Link can tear him to shreads.
Its quite funny too.
People make the mistake of underestimating Link.
And then you notice a steep turn in their playstyle.
They get more cautious and aggressive once they realize that Link doesn't take ****.
I love beating on Toon Links with Link, because the described reation above never fails.
Lightning93
Smash Champion
Yeah, that's why I love to switch up my characters a lot. Fox is my best, but I always love switching to Diddy. I'll play as any character though!
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