Ganonic Grimoire (Social) - Commiseration and Hierarchy

[Tearbear]

is it too late to sign up as a ganon for the ganon gauntlet ?

 

[DLA]

Nope there's plenty of time. You've pretty much got a guaranteed spot since we need WC hype, plus we never know if we'll need you to ganoncide Ally again.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

I'd like to sign up for the gauntlet too.

<- better than GP

What I do is Up throw, jump at them to force an air dodge, then fast fall to the ground and Fsmash their landing.

Holy ****, that's even more **** than fair 0_o

 

[Xubble]

Dahrem, you going to Dustbowl 4? I'll see you there. :D

 

[Supreme Dirt]

honestly i think UThrow is our best throw
there's very very few characters who ever want to be above us
don't ever do it to Peach though

i learned that the hard way...

 

[Xubble]

That's if you actually GRAB Peach.

Or get to make an input.

 

[Supreme Dirt]

Tell me about it
when your best friend is a really good Peach... yeah
good thing neither of us really play any more

 

[Heartstring]

<- better than GP

lol what is this?
shall we just agree that we are the heroes villians dark lords that Europe deserves?

That's if you actually GRAB Peach.

Or get to make an input.

I know that pain. christ what a matchup

 

[~ Gheb ~]

I'm just messing with you son

 

[DahremRuhar]

Dahrem, you going to Dustbowl 4? I'll see you there. :D

I am and you will.

And I agree with upthrow being our best throw. What's the general consesus on DThrow? I've found it useless. When I first strated playing, it was all I used, and I didn't like it. If there is a use for it, please enlighten me.


Also on the subject of peach, what is the best method of fighting her? I don't expect to win in that matchup as I've faced competent peach players before, but is there actually anything we CAN do? If not, what characters are good against peach?

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Peach is easy to counter. If you can't deal with her as Ganon you can **** her for free with MK, Snake or Falco.

As Ganon I've played the match-up only against meh Peaches. Usmash worked, uair worked, DA worked well.

 

[Xubble]

If the opponent likes to airdodge, dthrow and punish accordingly.

Thaaaaaaat's about it for dthrow.

 

[Rizen]

Good Peachs (if I typed 'peaches' it would refer to the fruit, lol) shut down and 2 stock my Ganon/Zelda. Peach walls out attacks and is fast enough to have very little vulnerability.
Bad (any character here) can lose to anyone.

I should work in Uthrow to my game; I always Fthrow for the damage.

 

[Heartstring]

I'm just messing with you son

Peach is easy to counter. If you can't deal with her as Ganon you can **** her for free with MK, Snake or Falco.

As Ganon I've played the match-up only against meh Peaches. Usmash worked, uair worked, DA worked well.

Yeah, but this is for ganon-peach rather than using a counter XD

That said, Its a wierd matchup because you REALLY want to be outside of peaches bubble rather than inside it, which is what you want to do in most matchups

 

[~ Gheb ~]

All of Ganon's match-ups are about getting the opponent in the air and pressure him onto the ledge from there imo

 

[Xubble]

I view Ganon as a "I have no knockback-weak moves, so keep hitting the opponent away from me until they're thrown into a blastzone" sort of character.

 

[Supreme Dirt]

That said, Its a wierd matchup because you REALLY want to be outside of peaches bubble rather than inside it, which is what you want to do in most matchups

and even then it's still hard because she has a great camp game and we struggle to get in to punish a turnip pull if she spaces it well.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Peach has a great camp game? 0_o

 

[Xubble]

Against Ganon, even Luigi has a great camp game.

 

[[FBC] Papa Mink]

Against Ganon, even Luigi has a great camp game.

I was going to say almost exactly this.

 

[Supreme Dirt]

Peach has a good camp game lol
Not against say, Metaknight or Falco
But seriously who can realistically outcamp a Falco?
(hint the answer is MAYBE Metaknight depending on stage)

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Peach doesn't have a good camp game wtf

 

[[FBC] Papa Mink]

DLA were going to do work next weekend.

 

[Heartstring]

Peach doesn't have a good camp game wtf

Yeah, peach can't camp. She has a decent zoning game which is primarily to compliment/assist approaches to utilise her incredible rushdown game. but thats it really

 

[Rizen]

Against Ganon, even Luigi has a great camp game.

^this literally made me chuckle. I guess any character with a range attack has some camping ability. Peach has a crazy good spacing game and her Goddess Dair etc stops a lot of projectile camping.
I played a good round vs Peach but she pulled a stitch-face turnip at the end. It's in the video thread.

 

[DLA]

Peach is one of my favorite MUs as Ganon. It's challenging but a good test of skill.

And Mink, I am prepared.

 

[Vermanubis]

I like fighting Peach a lot, myself. Landing a FAir when she whiffs a floating BAir or FAir is pretty n33t.

 

[Эикельманн [РУС]]

it's even more fun in melee.

 

[Rizen]

Aside from flame choke, did Ganon get any improvements from Melee at all? /Haven't played Melee in years.

 

[[FBC] Papa Mink]

Don't even get eikelmann started.

 

[C.J.]

DLA, Mink is going to beat you in Ganon dittos

 

[[FBC] Papa Mink]

My tryouts for the Ganon Gauntlet will be this weekend.
YES.

 

[Эикельманн [РУС]]

Aside from flame choke, did Ganon get any improvements from Melee at all? /Haven't played Melee in years.

are you trying to say that side-b is better in brawl than melee? lol

 

[Rizen]

Melee Ganon had better stats all around. That considered, yes Flame Choke>Melee's sideB.

 

[Xubble]

Melee SideB: Leads to combos, specifically puts opponent in the air where Ganon WANTS them.
Brawl SideB: Leads to a tech chase and (almost always) a one-move follow up.


I'm gonna have to side with the Melee SideB. Sorry Flame Choke. :\

 

[Эикельманн [РУС]]

also, side-b in melee has autospacing.

the only reason melee side-b is good though is because of the melee engine. if it was brawl, it'd be similar.

two completely different games/engines, kinda hard to compare.

 

[Xubble]

Comparing Melee and Brawl is like comparing Counter-Strike and Team Fortress 2.

 

[Эикельманн [РУС]]

well said.

 

[Rizen]

I can agree with that.

 

[Bloodynite]

Flame choke is better than Gerudo dragon when used in the air

otherwise Gerudo dragon > Flame choke