KIDs ATs (only high level Sonics need enter here) NOW WITH CHAR. SPECIFIC ATS!!!

[da K.I.D.]

why is my thread the only thread that you cmment in?

If the stuff that works for me sucks so bad, why dont you make a thread about the stuff that works for you?
either
1. youre bad and nothing you do works or
2. you just jack other peoples shiz and cant come up with anything original for the character with possibly the most options in the game.

when was the last time you contributed something productive to sonic?

get off my balls and do something of your own accord.

I try to get you to see my point of view, but you are so hardhearted in your opinions that you can never see the other side of the coin.

its just sad really.

so go troll somewhere else, cause if all you do is tear people down, and dont contribute anything helpful, that classifys as trolling to me.

also
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Fu3ZhkR0lA&NR=1
:47
WTF?! that should never be able to work!!11eleven!!1
Oh MAH GAWD
it happens again at 3:13

how is this possible?!

 

[Boxob.]

why is my thread the only thread that you cmment in?

If the stuff that works for me sucks so bad, why dont you make a thread about the stuff that works for you?
either
1. youre bad and nothing you do works or
2. you just jack other peoples shiz and cant come up with anything original for the character with possibly the most options in the game.

when was the last time you contributed something productive to sonic?

get off my balls and do something of your own accord.

I try to get you to see my point of view, but you are so hardhearted in your opinions that you can never see the other side of the coin.

its just sad really.

so go troll somewhere else, cause if all you do is tear people down, and dont contribute anything helpful, that classifys as trolling to me.

also
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Fu3ZhkR0lA&NR=1
:47
WTF?! that should never be able to work!!11eleven!!1
Oh MAH GAWD
it happens again at 3:13

how is this possible?!

Wow, SL84, get *****.

 

[aeghrur]

Wow, SL84, get *****.

The arbiter has spoken.

Spoiler

aww, it's over.

 

[ShadowLink84]

why is my thread the only thread that you cmment in?

probably because it has information that i feel should be challenged. ^_^

If the stuff that works for me sucks so bad, why dont you make a thread about the stuff that works for you?

it would be anecdotal. I have my down B as a direct approach work MANY times, doesn't mean its a good approach now does it?

either
1. youre bad and nothing you do works or

Which is rather funny considering I have beaten people like Malcolm.

2. you just jack other peoples shiz and cant come up with anything original for the character with possibly the most options in the game.

Major contradiction.
I, the person who supposedly "never" contributes, has jacked people's stuff?
So i have gone and stolen people's ideas and claimed it as my own?

Proof now or STFU kthxbai.

when was the last time you contributed something productive to sonic?

*points to AIB, Tierlist discussion, his discussions with other character boards.*
Do you go blind at will or something?

get off my balls and do something of your own accord.

What balls?
The ones that magically appear when you are online?

I try to get you to see my point of view, but you are so hardhearted in your opinions that you can never see the other side of the coin.

Right. Everyone is against you kid. I am always against your opinions, I never support them.
Do you know how much you play the "no one ever listens to me!" card?
If I didn't care for your opinion, I wouldn't respond smart one.

its just sad really.

You just don't want to listen to my opinion!

so go troll somewhere else, cause if all you do is tear people down, and dont contribute anything helpful, that classifys as trolling to me.

Trolling=posting jibber jabber. Not being productive.
Considering all your accusations are UNFOUNDED, and LIES
a.k.a bull****,
i think that makes you a hypocrite.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Fu3ZhkR0lA&NR=1
also
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Fu3ZhkR0lA&NR=1
:47
WTF?! that should never be able to work!!11eleven!!1
Oh MAH GAWD
it happens again at 3:13

how is this possible?![/QUOTE]

0:47
He is dodging his own grenade and gets smacked by the Fair.
unless of course you also believe that Snake landing an Fsmash on an opponent that trips is a tech too.
WOMG!

Or at 3:13 where Ryko rushes forward and whiffs his Utilt which has range equivalent to marth's Fsmash!
ou know what I am completely wrong. Your AT completely works.

Spoiler

When the opponent ****s themselves over

Hey maybe I should give this video to the Falcon forum, this is a good AT too

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OQ0Efqiqhs

i don't know how its possible, but you're managing to ride your own ****.

 

[Boxob.]

SL, really, it's info that he keeps personally logged for him, you don't have to challenge his info. He's putting it here for himself and for others to use at free will.

if I made a thread, posting my strats, and you (or anyone) came into my thread, dissing them. I'd just have you reported for trolling, because I'm giving you information, I'm not ordering you to use it. KID's **** doesn't work for you? Instead of being a complete dickhead and bashing his stuff whilst completely derailing a topic into mindless, childish ****; you could just ignore it.

If anyone else would like to hire me as a parent, let me know, I'm free this coming week.

 

[player1sonic]

I have a quick question regarding AT #4.

"When buffered Out of Shield as a counter attack this move becomes **** tier."

What is "buffering" and how do I do it?

 

[ShadowLink84]

SL, really, it's info that he keeps personally logged for him, you don't have to challenge his info. He's putting it here for himself and for others to use at free will.

That isn't the issue.

if I made a thread, posting my strats, and you (or anyone) came into my thread, dissing them. I'd just have you reported for trolling, because I'm giving you information, I'm not ordering you to use it. KID's **** doesn't work for you? Instead of being a complete dickhead and bashing his stuff whilst completely derailing a topic into mindless, childish ****; you could just ignore it.

Trolling?
Oh! So when i go and question somebody, challenge their ideas, challenge the weaknesses in their statements, its trolling?
I ask you right now, in what post have i made in this thread where I said this.

"Kid, your AT' suck ***."
#8 as trolling.
I'll rport the results.

I have a quick question regarding AT #4.

"When buffered Out of Shield as a counter attack this move becomes **** tier."

What is "buffering" and how do I do it?

buffering is where you put one input after the other, so that once your input is finished, the moves will occur in the order you inputted them.

For example, if I hit the jump button and then the attack button within a certain amount of time, even though I hit the attack button early, Sonic will jump and then perform the attack I want.

The best method to do this is by using sonic's bair.
jump, bair, FF then jump, bair, FF again repeatedly.
you'll notice that if you hit the jump and attack button at appropriate times, you'll bair even though you hit the attack button early.

It is really useful in making an attack come out as soon as possible.

^^^^
This does not contribute btw.

 

[Trillion]

KID's tech #8 is indeed completely possible, but as I think SL84 is saying, it is rather situational and probably somewhat unlikely. That being said, I have been able to do ledge hopped fair plenty of times against my opponents. Many of them like to try for the occasional grab gimp for the kill. Sometimes, I just land on the ledge when they miss and then they try to shield and my fair just eats the shield until I get a hit. Which I could then try to nair afterward. As SL84 said, bair might be a better option as far as reach, but if they only shield the fair, then they may try to grab in which case they might get hit by the nair. If they both hit, then it would do more damage then the bair alone does (I think?).

I think this tech is noteworthy even if it is an unlikely occurrence. One of the reasons for my saying this is that since a lot of people lack sonic match up experience, it may work once or twice in a match until the opponent learns better. If they don't fight sonic's very often then you may be able to do this to them at another tourney down the road or something since they may forget. I wouldn't at all recommend that it be our primary method of recovery, but sometimes it may be helpful. Either way, keeping another option in mind can't ever hurt.

 

[ShadowLink84]

You cannot land both. The fair smacks them away and if it doesn't the stun is too low to land the nair in time. (Fair has as much hitstun as Samus' jab apparently).
So it relies on the Nair to do the damage or the Fair, it can't use both.

as I said earlier the main issue with this strategy is the lack of range which hurts it as well as the lack of priority.
So even when you do land the attack, you'll typically trade hits which is not something that Sonic should endure.

The surprise factor cannot be factored in, the effectiveness of the move is when the opponent is in a position where they know about the move and how they can deal with it.

Which is why you would use the Bair instead of Fair or Nair. While the start up is more than twice as large, most of the startup time is taken up by Sonic rising from the bottom of the ledge. Once he is at ledge level his hitbox is already out and you have better range and power to the move.
So even if you trade hits, your opponent won't have time to go back and continue an edgeguard, oh and you still can grab the ledge afterwards.
Or you can Dair then spring back up. Or spindash at the opponent.
you still retain all the options, but you have a much safer move.

 

[MalcolmM]

u guys argue 2 much. its not like ITT who doesnt wanna b apart of the boards. u both wanna post here so just shutup and get over it. SL if kid thinks his ATs work then let him think that...if they really dont work or create useful options (i dont know i havent tested them) then that doesnt hurt u @ all and in actuality will make it easier for u if/when u play him in a tournament. this is kids at thread so he can write w/e kid at he comes up with...if u honestly feel so strongly about his at thread then make a SL at thread and u can guide people in what u feel is the correct direction. but either way....u guys argue 2 much. i didnt even read any of it.

 

[da K.I.D.]

I ask you right now, in what post have i made in this thread where I said this.

"Kid, your AT' suck ***."
#8 as trolling

ok. how about this.
.

Kid your AT #8 is useless.

thats trolling.

KID's tech #8 is indeed completely possible, but as I think SL84 is saying, it is rather situational and probably somewhat unlikely. That being said, I have been able to do ledge hopped fair plenty of times against my opponents. Many of them like to try for the occasional grab gimp for the kill. Sometimes, I just land on the ledge when they miss and then they try to shield and my fair just eats the shield until I get a hit. Which I could then try to nair afterward. As SL84 said, bair might be a better option as far as reach, but if they only shield the fair, then they may try to grab in which case they might get hit by the nair. If they both hit, then it would do more damage then the bair alone does (I think?).

I think this tech is noteworthy even if it is an unlikely occurrence. One of the reasons for my saying this is that since a lot of people lack sonic match up experience, it may work once or twice in a match until the opponent learns better. If they don't fight sonic's very often then you may be able to do this to them at another tourney down the road or something since they may forget. I wouldn't at all recommend that it be our primary method of recovery, but sometimes it may be helpful. Either way, keeping another option in mind can't ever hurt.

Bolded for emphasis,
Magnum is amazing because he sees what i am trying to do. sonic is a character, that no matter how situational any one move may be, knowing all of his capabilities and abilities can do nothign but help you, because no matter how situational the move is, the situation will happen eventually.

u guys argue 2 much. its not like ITT who doesnt wanna b apart of the boards. u both wanna post here so just shutup and get over it. SL if kid thinks his ATs work then let him think that...if they really dont work or create useful options (i dont know i havent tested them) then that doesnt hurt u @ all and in actuality will make it easier for u if/when u play him in a tournament. this is kids at thread so he can write w/e kid at he comes up with...if u honestly feel so strongly about his at thread then make a SL at thread and u can guide people in what u feel is the correct direction. but either way....u guys argue 2 much. i didnt even read any of it.

this is why malcom is in my sig.

however the one thing i disagree with is the part about SL wanting to be a part of the sonic boards. He very rarely posts here, and he doesnt contibute anything except pessimism and skepticality. And theres enough of that in tenki to keep everyone in line. We (I especially) dont need somebody coming around trying to bring us down all the time, the posts that hes made in this thread in the last 3 days, is more than all the posting hes done in the sonic boards altogether in the last 2-3 weeks.

I put a lot of time, effort, and testing in this thread. And it really hurts that its all this stuff that I worked for is basically being sullied like this. I would rather that nobody read all this crap and focus on figuring out all of sonics capabilities. If you dont like what i post, than just dont bother with it and leave, if you do like it, than help me improve on it, and make sonic a better character.

all trolling/flaming from SL from here on will be flatly ignored, I dont need his mess bringing my thread down.

lastly, should I see a Shadowlink tech thread pop up, I can solemnly promise that should I contribute to it, it will be in the most positive way possible. and i shall not bring any negativity to it.

 

[JayBee]

my god.

i leave for one second ( okay a few days) and this is what happens?
Lets not have this dialogue occur guys. its so not steak.

The power is yours...

 

[Anthinus]

Hello guys! Ceasefire!

This a thread of assist techniques where people discuss to improve Sonic's game, or is a battlefield where Sonic pals shoot missiles and napalm to each other? This kind of fights helps no one and teach nothing!

I think if we use the right words we can prevent fights ("useless" < "not as effective as"). We should be having fun with our main, encouraging each other and helping the others to improve...

BTW in back at last! And found so many people with this avatars carring strange bottles (its funny, but it could be funnier if I undestand the joke )

 

[JayBee]

LOL what are you doing here? u main sonic? i dunno....

but its pokemon (a staple of the sonic boards apparently) carrying A1 Steak sause, because, well, its for steak. the steak meme wont die anytime soon, most likely...

 

[Anthinus]

LOL everything is clear now!

Nice to meet you dude! I'm Anthinus/RSR and yes I main Sonic. I was around this boards like 6 months ago but an avalanche of work buried me and I had to leave ( sad story, please dont cry ). Now I have less work so I decided to comeback...

I was surprised when I entered a Thread about "winning steak cinemas" and found my old "Chaos Control" combo video in first place! LOL...

Well, I dance the song you people play... So, Let's steak together

 

[infomon]

Anthinus' vids taught me how 2 sonic, no joke

welcome back

 

[da K.I.D.]

dude, he was my effing hero when i first came to the sonic boards...

I hope you stay for more than two days this time.

 

[Chis]

my god.

i leave for one second ( okay a few days) and this is what happens?
Lets not have this dialogue occur guys. its so not steak.

The power is yours...

What this wise man said.

This a thread of assist techniques where people discuss to improve Sonic's game, or is a battlefield where Sonic pals shoot missiles and napalm to each other? This kind of fights helps no one and teach nothing!

I think if we use the right words we can prevent fights ("useless" < "not as effective as"). We should be having fun with our main, encouraging each other and helping the others to improve...

BTW in back at last! And found so many people with this avatars carring strange bottles (its funny, but it could be funnier if I undestand the joke )

Welcome back! I used to watch your videos all the time in youtube while I was waiting for Brawl to be relesed here. I hope what you were working on went well.

 

[Camalange]

Anthinus, please stay.

We have plenty of steak to share D:

 

[MalcolmM]

anthius u need to get an a1 steak sauce bottle in that avatar of urs. contact chis...he is the avatar god.

 

[ShadowLink84]

ok. how about this.
.
thats trolling.

Hey lets ignore EVERYTHING else that was said along with it too.

Bolded for emphasis,
Magnum is amazing because he sees what i am trying to do. sonic is a character, that no matter how situational any one move may be, knowing all of his capabilities and abilities can do nothign but help you, because no matter how situational the move is, the situation will happen eventually.

A blind man will hit the center of a target.
A sniper will miss the side of a barn.
Everything is eventual, that doesn't mean one should invest their time in an AT that will very rarely happen. Yeah its great to know all

however the one thing i disagree with is the part about SL wanting to be a part of the sonic boards. He very rarely posts here, and he doesnt contibute anything except pessimism and skepticality. And theres enough of that in tenki to keep everyone in line. We (I especially) dont need somebody coming around trying to bring us down all the time, the posts that hes made in this thread in the last 3 days, is more than all the posting hes done in the sonic boards altogether in the last 2-3 weeks.

Two things to point out.

1. You are against someone contributing. LOL
2. you are always making the claim that I make no contributions, even when I do, and even when other members tell you I do.

I put a lot of time, effort, and testing in this thread. And it really hurts that its all this stuff that I worked for is basically being sullied like this. I would rather that nobody read all this crap and focus on figuring out all of sonics capabilities. If you dont like what i post, than just dont bother with it and leave, if you do like it, than help me improve on it, and make sonic a better character.

*points out where he suggested using Bair instead*
Course I don't boter helpin you out, all you read is the part where they say the disagree.

lastly, should I see a Shadowlink tech thread pop up, I can solemnly promise that should I contribute to it, it will be in the most positive way possible. and i shall not bring any negativity to it.

I don't care how you sound if you were to comment on my thread kid.
if you feel its wrong, challenge it. You feel its right, support it. I won't mind if someone rips apart my statement provided they back it up reasonably.

if you really cannot see my contributions Kid, then that is a fault on your part not mine.

 

[da K.I.D.]

so is there anybody who is willing to do a vid to show what teching the down throw, and z grabbing a grounded banana looks like?

 

[ShadowLink84]

grab me and I'll show you kid.

 

[Anthinus]

Thanx a lot guys! I really missed this boards...

dude, he was my effing hero when i first came to the sonic boards...

I hope you stay for more than two days this time.

I'll be here for months at least!

Anthinus, please stay.

We have plenty of steak to share D:

You bet!

anthius u need to get an a1 steak sauce bottle in that avatar of urs. contact chis...he is the avatar god.

Hey Chis! Could you do some kind of miracle adding that A1 sauce bottle to my avatar?

I've been playing a lot and I improved... I'll show you next time I upload something...

In the news: I end in second place in a tournament and lost agaisnt KITO's megacampy Snake (Isn't fair, I beat the hardest opponents and get kicked out by my pal...) and won with him in the doubles tourny... LOL!

 

[Camalange]

Dude, submit the results to our stickied tournament thread.

 

[Xsyven]

ShadowLink84, da K.I.D., debate without flaming each other.

1 warning is all you get.

 

[Anthinus]

Dude, submit the results to our stickied tournament thread.

I dont have the data... It was like 1 month and a week ago, The things I remember:

It was best of 16 (not a single noob ) and doubles best of 8 (BetoX played with a Lv.9 Marth and wrecked havoc LOL).

In singles...

1st: KITO (Snake, Marth, Falco)
2nd: Anthinus/RSR (Sonic, Metaknight, Wolf)
3rd: FAT (Wolf, Olimar, Kirby)... This guy is extreme, when I won to him my hands were trembling...

In doubles...

1st: Anthinus/RSR (Sonic) and KITO (Marth)
2nd: FAT (Wolf) and Chris (Metaknight)
3rd: DEC (Zelda) and JanuS (Samus)...

Thats all I remember... Don't know if it helps to that thread.

 

[Camalange]

That works, do you have a results thread though?

The format would be

-name of tournament-
-results thread link-
-date-
-Out of (#of entrants)-
2nd - Anthinus (Sonic/MK/Wolf)

Yup.

 

[Anthinus]

Too bad... It was on DEC's anime & videogame shop, but he didn't upload the results 'cause he don't have a page for his shop...

 

[da K.I.D.]

take this to the tourney stickey if you dont mind please.

@SL
the stuff I put on this thread, unless it is KID theory, has been tested and works in a highly competitive envioronment, please refrain from calling my things "useless". everything here has a use and is worthwhile.

that being said, from here on out, i would really like future posts in this topic to be dealing with determining wether my 2 remaining KID theorys work and when. and improving the things that are on the list already

 

[Anthinus]

No prob dude. But to conclude... I'm pretty sure there's no link for that tourney, I see if I can solve that for the next Tourny ...

I have to say this is a great thread and I have to recognize you are doing a good job Da KID, my 2 thumbs up!

I want to comment a little about the ATs if you don't mind... I dont know if some (or all) of this have been said before (keep that in mind) but I'll do it anyways:

AT 1. Instant Spin Dash: Super useful. I discovered this too months ago but I use this often to do my Dair gimps quicker (I have to run back to get distance to SRJ no more, LOL).

AT 2. Jab Locks: I found this a bit difficult to do, but I was testing and it can be done if you press forward a bit after the footstool to not hit the victim with Dair.

AT 3. Ledgeshooting: A bit risky at first glance... I tested it and I got below Battlefield and met Mr. Death ... But I found a good way to use it: Near the edge do a pivot SD, that way you'll be charging the SD completly off stage at edge level to perform a safer Spin Shot.

AT 4. OoSiDA: I was like " What the...!" cuz SiDA in spanish means AIDS LOL!... Great stuff against what you said and smashes that push you away.

AT 5. Anthinus Combo: Its my combo and its premium steak, you feel like the finnest cook in the world when you pull it out.

AT 6. The KID CG: I've been using this often, but not abusing it (you know why...). I usually finish the CG with pivot SD, utilt... This AT is great, it works for me a lot. Specially when I'm winning and my opponent respawns (they always want to kill that stock you have more than them and fall easily on this LOL).

AT 7. Down Tilt: This is another useful thing, specially when you have eaten some of your opponents shield. I use the jab combo and jab + grab equally now, that works for me a lot!

AT. 8. Double ledgehop attacks: I use this only with Fair (the disjointed last hit works wonders). Sonic do this very quickly and is super effective against people trying to edgeguard you. Isn't as risky as it looks...

Theory #1: Bairs: I've done this against Oli's upsmash... Thats all I can say...

Theory #2: Bairs to grab: I was testing this and did some turn around grabs after the Bair... looks like useful stuff. The problem here is your own shield: When you perform the Bair and land you have to press Z in the right time, if you do it soon you shield will appear instead of your grab, if you do it too late you'll get grabbed... But when you try it you can press back repeatly, if you don't turn around grab after the Bair, you'll roll back... The timing looks kinda hard but you'll memorize it eventually.

Sorry for the tons of text... I hope this helps the thread

 

[Kinzer]

Yo Kid, I went on ahead and did a little bit on theory 1, and for Olimar's USmash, every Pikmin would just clank... not sure about it hitting through and getting to Olimar by the time he gets out of lag but, I guess that's better than being sent flying to the blastzone.

It's not that vertically disjointed at Sonic's body, which was were I did some of the testing for Olimar, and I doubt it would get any different results if you hit where Sonic's leg would be fully extended.

As for MK's Tornado, it's been done and hard to replicate/do on intention, but it's there, and it's possible...

If you request that I do something else in specific, I can see what I could do.

Edit: Turns out, I've been testing with the middle of Sonic's leg, disregard the bolded part...

I'm pretty sure the results would not be pretty if you tried to hit with the disjointed part of Sonic' Bair that has the hitbox at his body...

 

[Anthinus]

I don't get it... If you throw the Bair it clanks or you get hit? Bair is the safest way I can approach that little spaceman...

EDIT: Man I'm asleep! OK, you're saying that you have to kick through the USmash with the disjointed part of the move that is in Sonic's leg/foot, right? I think I have kicked Oli with the part where the leg begins... (luck?)...

 

[Kinzer]

Well no, you misunderstand.

Bair IS Sonic's safest aerial, seeing as how it has the range (which compared to other aerials, is like a B- grade at best), lack of lag and the shield pushback (if you can count that).

What Kid wanted somebody to go and test was wather or not the Bair would outprioritize the Pikmin and just continue to hit Olimar... which it didn't by just freefalling and hitting at where Sonic's knee would be fully extended. All I saw was just a "bubble" which according to the game just means both attacks would've just put both enemies into the neutral state. However since Sonic was using an aerial attack to hit a grounded attack (USmash), it just continue to go through like nothing happened, but neither the Pikmin got killed, nor did Sonic get hit out of his Bair... or at least from how I did it.

Which I should mention as well... Since I was alone and had nobody else to help me, I had to slow down the game in training mode down to 2/3 or 1/2 speed (I can't remember), I had Sonic Spring up with his back towards Olimar (next to him as well), and then I just mashed the Csticks on both controllers accordingly while Sonic was bouncing off his Spring. Perhaps had I fastfalled it, I would've gotten different results, although I doubt that.

There are more options of course when you want to try and strike a campy Olimar, however this is just the end result you would get by hitting near the end with Sonic's Bair and Olimar's USmash, that's it.

 

[Anthinus]

Ok, If they collide nobody gets hurt huh? Maybe when I think I pass through it is cuz I hit him when the attacks is already finished. If we can make the theory 2 work we'll have a nice adventage there...

I can't turn on the Wii right now, but I'll do it in the morning. I want to test that stuff a bit more. When I land the Bair sometimes Sonic turns around and grab, sometimes my shield appears. Looks like it have some kind of timing... The other part to test is the reaction or the opponent (I'm not an octopus, you know). But I guess I'll have to test it in real battle... I'll practice the Bair turn around grab and lets see what happens.

 

[Kinzer]

Rawr, I was testing the first theory, I tried to test the second one, but I didn't much out of it... except that a Bair -> grab works at 0%...

Anyway I saw your edit, and yes I was getting the bubbles at anywhere but Sonic's leg. I do not suggest trying to hit with the very end of the disjointedness that is Sonic's body, the hitbux basically overlaps the hurtbox, which I highly dobut would go through Olimar's Pikmin for as bad as their priority is.

 

[Trillion]

Kinzer, did you try hitting with the very toe of the shoe in the first test? It might be different.

 

[da K.I.D.]

as far as back air grabs go, my intention was for people to be facing forward when they execute their back airs, since back airs give sonics whole body a hitbox, kojin has a vid where he does this very clearly.

so im hoping that you can jump at the opponent, while facing them, do a back air, be close enough for the back air to hit them anyway, and than you cna just do a standing grab and grab them since they will still be in the miniscule amount of shield stun that the move has.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PL6HKOwO2eA
6:15 it not only demonstrates the usefulness of the instant spindash jump, but it shows how big the back air hitbox is

 

[Trillion]

ooooo i got it now, hmmm.... ill try to test that some later. I've done it before in matches bot not usually on characters like olimar.

 

[ShadowLink84]

Sonic's bair can go through the Usmash and hit olimar, but its rather difficult to perform and sometimes the Usmash breaks through for whatever reason.