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For what it's worth the addition of shields DID actually drive a significant portion of the playerbase away...but more damningly it didn't bring any new blood in. A lot of competitive players (when there aren't many to begin with) dropped the game after they were added. That's not a conspiracy theory or anything, it's actually something that happened.
Yknow what, that explains a lot about you actually.Me, the guy who basically only started playing Smash at all as a kid because he saw this image on the site:and thought it looked funny
Blame Smash fans for that one. They'll call any platform fighter a "Smash Clone" or "Smash Ripoff" so when they play the game they expect it to be nothing but a copy and paste, refusing to learn any of the differences or nuances. They'll do poorly and then say "It's not similar enough from Smash" "It's too different from Smash" so devs feel the need to bend the knee to them considering their fanbase is often their target demographic. Multiversus adding Dash Attacks and Shields, NASB adding Shields and making grabs like Smash despite how cool air grabs were and how they were a good counter to Helga's down special counter used in the air, Rivals adding grabs and throws and replacing their parrying system with Shields.
I didn't even think Shields were that bad. After spending so many matches getting poke-locked to death by Banana Guard, it was nice to have something to defend myself with.
Exactly. They invested months designing shields instead of refining the hitboxes, bugs/glitches and smoothing out the game first and foremost. Both casual and hardcore perception believes the gameplay SUCKS and band aid mechanics didn't fix that. Multiple players are saying similar things on other social media, that them adding and adding mechanics instead of addressing the important stuff first was a bad move.
Be that as it may it happened after six months of people constantly pointing out how blatantly greedy the game was and how unwelcoming the game was to new players as a whole; the previous season introduced 30 dollar skins with an artificial rarity, for god's sake. Whether you like shields or not, any miniscule contribution it had was adding on to an already dwindling playerbase getting sick of being treated as cash cow pay piggies.
And them refusing to course correct a major complaint and why a lot of people (casuals and competitive) left at all sealed its fate as I said. It not only showed a lack of confidence and vision for the game and its future (as I whined about months prior) but it was a clunky addition to an already clunky gameplay. That's not how you do a last ditch effort. Everybody was telling MVS to fix its bugs, speed up the gameplay and address hitboxes first and foremost.
I'm not denying that there were more pressing issues in the grand scheme of things. What I'm attesting to is that the shield issue wasn't as negligible as you are implying, because it completely turned off an entire section of their playerbase, that being the competitive section.
I'm not saying you're wrong for seeing things like that, just that most people don't. The casual consumer cares more about the characters themselves.Me, the guy who basically only started playing Smash at all as a kid because he saw this image on the site:and thought it looked funny:
Right, and what I'm saying is that I think it's a very miniscule issue; I mean, I was saying in Season 3 I thought the writing was on the wall. I kept saying "we gotta stop putting characters in Battlepasses" and then immediately they pulled the Elusive skin crap, whether or not the added the shields or not, I think we'd be seeing the same result. It's been dropping players by the day since relaunch.
You're speaking for players who have said the opposite. Thousands of players had the means to avoid the greedy character practices, the gameplay as a whole just sucked in terms of appeal. Them adding those mechanics in favor of the core gameplay is the issue here. One of the biggest grinders/spenders had several streams crashing out about shields as they pointed to the hitboxes, bugs, speed, and mountains of other issues that were worthy of PFG's time instead of random new mechanics.
Someone send them my Brak thread for me, I don’t have a Twitter account anymore
I don't think they're actually making new characters from my understanding
I heard somewhere they were "contacting character4MVS accounts".
Oh wow! The guy with the fake smile turned out to be a scumbag? I pegged that from the beginning too. He gave me the same kinda corporate smile that Geoff Keighley does.
Here's hoping. Project Plus that ****, make it better than the actual devs.
Really? If anything I always thought the creativity of the movesets was one of the best aspects of the game. I didn’t found them garbage at all personally.
Creativity and good game design are two very different things. It doesn't matter if the move is a cool reference if it's more optimal to just throw out jab every time. If you can make a cool reference and also a functional move, you're golden, but most of the cast doesn't. It's especially atrocious in the earlier fighters.
Personally I think less about "cool references" and more about innovative moveset design. I thought Jason and Powerpuff Girls looked really impressive, and didn't hinge on this all too much - if there are some overbearing design flaws with those two I'm not plugged in enough to know, but the most compelling examples are those who feel like they transcend the Smash skeleton and achieve something that their contemporaries haven't yet.
The Powerpuff Girls are sort of notoriously broken because of how their design works (namely the aerial dash attack loops when combined with the Air Walker perk).
Nah, personally I don't think spoiler tags are necessary at this point, since we know what's coming. At absolute most, the only "unknowns" are whatever cosmetics are in the Battlepass, but that's not enough to spoiler tag over imo. I say just let it all out in the open.
Just spill it. It doesn't matter anymore
Right yeah, I thought I remembered something like that. Hopefully that idea can be salvaged with some tweaks, because I suppose I'm more impressed with the way they were able to achieve a natural gameplay flow and visual language with a trio character. You know me, as a longtime Chorus Kids supporter I'm always kinda keeping my nose to the ground trying to figure out the best way to go about it.
Ok… like I said, there’s a lot, some of which is coming from sources beyond my comprehension. I’ll start with something simple. These characters were playable in pre release builds:
Do you have a source for this? Static being in a playable state is news to me.
I don’t know what the initial source is, but I do know it was posted to Twitter. I’ll have to double check everything.
Ohh, umm well I guess that’s fair.
If you can find a link be sure to post it.
They had to have not been fully ready. I still think we could have gotten better final characters, or at least Daffy as a third character.
I’ll keep an eye out.
