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Official Next Smash - Speculation & Discussion Thread

Thegameandwatch

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and I want to know what the heck Toon Sheik was.
It could be Tetra but the fact that it’s specifically “Toon Sheik” in the game’s code means that it’s probably just a made up character that fits the artstyle.

It’s like how Brawl onwards Sheik is a made up version of the character based unused concept art. Not even sure if that design was actually planned for TP or made for Smash by the Zelda developers.
 

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Gonna be honest. If we were to have a big reveal of the Switch 2 on Thursday, I think we would have heard news by now.
I mean wasn't the initial Switch reveal just drummed up like "Watch the Preview Trailer tomorrow morning!" (For the record that tweet was on October 19th 2016 at 8:30pm and the Switch's initial reveal was literally the next day almost not even 12 hours later lol) I'm trying to find if there was any like lead-up to just showing it like mention of a specific date ahead of time, but I can't find one and the Preview Trailer message has replies like "WAIT THEY'RE ACTUALLY TALKING ABOUT NX???" which feels very similar to current sentiment lmao

So if it is this week, they could just suddenly post tomorrow or Thursday like "Get ready to see the Nintendo Switch successor with a Preview Trailer at 7am PT/10am ET!" lol
 
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Gonna be honest. If we were to have a big reveal of the Switch 2 on Thursday, I think we would have heard news by now.
The first tweet about the Switch's announcement happened the night before the reveal itself.

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I mean wasn't the initial Switch reveal just drummed up like "Watch the Preview Trailer tomorrow morning!" (For the record that tweet was on October 19th 2016 at 8:30pm and the Switch's initial reveal was literally the next day almost not even 12 hours later lol) I'm trying to find if there was any like lead-up to just showing it like mention of a specific date ahead of time, but I can't find one and the Preview Trailer message has replies like "WAIT THEY'RE ACTUALLY TALKING ABOUT NX???" which feels very similar to current sentiment lmao

So if it is this week, they could just suddenly post tomorrow or Thursday like "Get ready to see the Nintendo Switch successor with a Preview Trailer at 7am PT/10am ET!" lol
The first tweet about the Switch's announcement happened the night before the reveal itself.

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I stand corrected.

Time to hype responsibly.
 

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The last conversation got me thinking...

Throwing away any thoughts of likeliness aside..

  • How much experience do you have with the Bayonetta franchise?
  • How do you like Bayonetta as a character outside of Smash?
  • How do you like Bayonetta as a character in Smash?
  • How much do you think Bayonetta adds to Smash?
  • What do you think of the Bayonetta franchise (not the character) content in Smash?
  • Would you be sad to see her go?
  • played the three main games and a bit of Cereza and the Lost Demon; Bayonetta 2 was one of the reasons why I got a Wii U
  • she's an entertaining character; I wasn't a fan of how she was handled in Bayonetta 3 for a variety of reasons, but she's entertaining in the first two games
  • much like with Banjo and Kazooie, Bayonetta was a character that I would have liked to see in Smash but I assumed that she likely wouldn't make it in, so her reveal was a huge surprise and something that I still recall fondly. Gameplay wise, they did a great job with capturing what makes the Bayonetta games so fun to play
  • she's got a unique playstyle that shows how well 3D action games translate to Smash. I'd love to see the Smash team add more characters like that - Dante, 2B, Amaterasu, Ryu Hayabusa...
  • I think how the franchise is represented is fine; I would have liked to see a boss from the Bayonetta games, or Jeanne as an echo fighter, or the song You May Call Me Father in Ultimate, but it is what it is.
  • I'd be sad. I'd understand it, since my expectation for the next Smash is that the roster will have a lot more cuts than what past Smash games had, and the future of the series seems to be in question (a lot of the series' mainstays have left Platinum, her Japanese voice actor passed away, Bayonetta 3 ended on a note that doesn't seem to bode well for future games...), but Bayonetta making it into Smash at all felt like a huge achievement, and I like how Smash as a whole helps to introduce people to games that they might not have otherwise played.
 
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Reminds me of how literally no one talked about Inteleon despite being basically James Bond.

Would it have been possible that the spy angle would've won Sakurai over the other starters?
Oh, that's an easy one. Sakurai's saving the spy concept for when he adds that other spy-themed anthropomorphic lizard:

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Is there any retro character that could potentially be in Smash 6 because every game since Melee has one with Ultimate being an exception if Simon doesn’t count.

Examples are ones from the NES or SNES that never have a game afterwards.
 
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Is there any retro character that could potentially be in Smash 6 because every game since Melee has one with Ultimate being an exception if Simon doesn’t count.

Examples are ones from the NES or SNES that never have a game afterwards.
Takamaru is the first one that comes to mind. After that it could be Excitebiker, Mach Rider, maybe Urban Champion or Balloon Fighter if they could scrounge up enough material for a moveset, Lip...

Do we count Game Boy games? Cause then we could have the Sablé Prince
 

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Takamaru is the first one that comes to mind. After that it could be Excitebiker, Mach Rider, maybe Urban Champion or Balloon Fighter if they could scrounge up enough material for a moveset, Lip...

Do we count Game Boy games? Cause then we could have the Sablé Prince
The Game Boy would count since it’s the same era as the NES and SNES.
 

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Is there any retro character that could potentially be in Smash 6 because every game since Melee has one with Ultimate being an exception if Simon doesn’t count.

Examples are ones from the NES or SNES that never have a game afterwards.
See, the thing about these retro characters is that they need to be surprises. The classic picks like Takamaru wouldn't really count.

However I can think of two retro characters that would be really cool and unexpected. Wave Racer from Wave Race and one character to represent the NES sports games.
 

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Man imagine the alternate universe where we had a good moveset for Sonic but at the expense of Toon Link.

...Man i dont know if i prefer that or not.
Personally I'd easily sacrifice Sonic for having Mewtwo back, and just throw in Dixie as well and maybe Roy.

Sonic would've been included in 4 anyway.
There's two things about this: The first is that the outcomes were more likely to be an asset reusey Sonic and Wolf, Jigglypuff, and Toon Link, or an asset reusey Sonic and that's it. If they didn't scramble as hard to get Sonic out the door, we'd probably have gotten some of the clone Forbidden 7 members like Roy or Doc in addition to Toon Link, Jigglypuff, and Wolf.

The second is that I think Sonic was always going to be a pixie character, and Spin Dash was always going to be designed the way it is currently whether or not Spin Charge would also have existed in the moveset, and both aforementioned moves are kind of the basis on everyone's problem with his kit/playstyle.
I kinda wish they just pushed backward a little more and at least finish Mewtwo. I also think its a shame Dixie was one of the Forbidden Seven and then never considered again as far as we know. I still see no good reason why Mewtwo shouldn't have been included in Brawl honestly. He was a majorly requested character for Melee after all, but his inclusion might have been poorly received due to being a relatively and almost comically weak character competitively. Nothing a few buffs wouldn't fix though.

I also think Wolf might've ended up being way more of a clone type of character if there where fewer resources available. Same for Toon Link, whom I suspect would've been Young Link 1.5 with a different look. Which also works of course for both, but the end result is better.

As for Sonic, yeah he was dysfunctional back in Brawl already, but not overpowered in any sort of way. Brawl Sonic was a tame character lacking a lot of kill power, and that was honestly the least toxic version of the character.
 

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See, the thing about these retro characters is that they need to be surprises. The classic picks like Takamaru wouldn't really count.

However I can think of two retro characters that would be really cool and unexpected. Wave Racer from Wave Race and one character to represent the NES sports games.
I think Tamagon would certainly be up there in the surprise factor. I mean, aside from being from a game that wasn't originally released outside of Japan(until the NSO update), his game never came to the West because of all of the religious references, the name itself(Devil's World/Demon World) and the satanic panic at the time. A pretty unknown character, from a Japanese-only game that didn't come to the West originally due to religious references and a sketchy title, getting into Smash Bros as a playable character would certainly warrant the surprise. And would be quite a leap from the depths of obscurity for that character.
 
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Is this supposed to mean, like, a nondescript character from the GB Wave Race? If Wave Race got a character, surely it would simply be Ryota Hayami from 64?
I imagined a character where the individual racers would be different alts.
 

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What do you consider a "large role" exactly, because the games listed were the newest Mario game, the newest Zelda games, the newest FE game (which usually gets something, mind), Pikmin 4 and Xenoblade 3 when both of their series have seen huge growth on the Switch...
I mean.
Mario Wonder is definitely old enough to get a stage, and what else can you do with it?
TotK can get a stage and even a character. It's been announced while Ultimate was still getting DLC, the Zelda team keeps Sakurai up to date between different projects (they even designed Sheik for Brawl while TP was in development) and it's official that TotK has been content complete for a whole year before release. They spent the last year just debugging.
Fire Emblem operates the same, so they probably can add Alear if they really want to, but honestly I don't think that all that many people would be disappointed if they sit this one out.
Pikmin 4 can get a stage. Oatchi becoming a character is a bit of a long shot regardless of everything.
Xenoblade 3 gets the short end of the stick, but... it happens. Mario 3d World, Tropical Freeze, every single Metroid Prime past the first one, a vast majority of post-SNES (!) Kirby games, most non-3d Zelda games, Xenoblade X, Radiant Dawn, Starfox Adventures, TTYD... I could go on, but anyways... they all got skipped over when it was their time. It just happens. And even then, they might have reserved a spot for the XB3 character like they do for Pokémon anyways.

I'm not saying that the game will specifically be delayed to account for this and that, but I am saying it would be a stark break in routine for next game to be missing the last few years of the Switch, where we'd still picking up previous generation slack through DLC and into the future of the series. I just don't think 2021 gives us that much wiggle room. It could happen, but I'd be disappointed in screwing with this comfortable pace the series has been at for almost 20 years. If it ain't broke, why force it? A roster decided in 2023 can see a 2026-2027 release and that would be perfectly in-line with Smash's usual shtick.
The last few years of the Switch wouldn't be totally missing. It's just that maybe they'd get 1-2 characters instead of 90% of the newcomers. Hardly a big deal. That was the case for Brawl too, and a vast majority of the Ultimate newcomers wasn't topical either (I see no reason why you wouldn't count the 3rd party characters) and it's the most successful Smash game ever.
Point being, they might feel like releasing Smash early is more important than it having a ton of characters from the late-era Switch games - which seems fair enough to me - and that's probably what happened if Sakurai's project from 2021 is indeed Smash... which it kinda has to be imo.
 
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