Official Next Smash - Speculation & Discussion Thread

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

That and the AT feels like they were aiming to parody how Guile is traditionally played, while I think Chun-Li would just be your standard "run around and do random attacks" assist.

The spoof on turtling will always be hilarious (you can predict Flash Kick because the man crouches for a bit, it's so good!) and I hope he comes back as an Assist again. It's too perfect lmao.

 

[Gengar84]

The idea that Guile is more iconic because he was picked over Chun-Li is hilarious. It's probably not what you meant but it could still be interpreted that way.

I'm sure the real reason is simply because the guy doesn't have enough specials for a full moveset, even when factoring in a Focus Attack. So he's in the weird limbo where he's iconic enough to warrant being in Smash but doesn't have enough for a traditional Smash moveset.

I didn’t say that, just that she’s not currently in Smash but Zero is, which gives him a bit of an advantage in my opinion. Although, there might have been a point in time where Guile was more iconic in the US specifically thanks to being the star of the first movie. I agree that Chun-Li has surpassed him here since then.

 

[HyperSomari64]

I was just checking Sakurai's twitter profile and I saw this very real and true tweet.
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Unfortunately i don't speak japanese, so i have no idea what it means. Could someone translate?

Vectorman is such a legend

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Unfortunately i don't speak japanese

I was going to say that "for some reason, this tweet is actually in Spanish".

It took me way too long to realize that's the joke.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

I didn’t say that, just that she’s not currently in Smash but Zero is, which gives him a bit of an advantage in my opinion.

Top 10 sentences that Assist fans mutter to cope with the fact that their most wanted is an Assist

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

If Ken gets cut, then Street Fighter would only have two if Chun-Li gets added.

I could see it happening if gets cut.

Why on earth would Ken get cut if we're keeping Ryu?

The spoof on turtling will always be hilarious (you can predict Flash Kick because the man crouches for a bit, it's so good!) and I hope he comes back as an Assist again. It's too perfect lmao.

Well I suppose if they do cut Ken for some reason, they could add him back as an Assist Trophy...

 

[Gengar84]

Top 10 sentences that Assist fans mutter to cope with the fact that their most wanted is an Assist

Lol true. In my case, Zero’s only one of my top 10 while pretty much all the rest of my list isn’t in Smash at all.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Well I suppose if they do cut Ken for some reason, they could add him back as an Assist Trophy...

YES! THE FLOWCHART! IT'D BE SO FUNNY!

 

[Guynamednelson]

Why on earth would Ken get cut if we're keeping Ryu?

His workload is comparable to Dr. Mario...and Dr. Mario doesn't have perfect attendance.

 

[HyperSomari64]

I was going to say that "for some reason, this tweet is actually in Spanish".

It took me way too long to realize that's the joke.

As someone who speaks spanish myself, i didn't ever understood what it said. Few grammatical errors here and there

 

[RodNutTakin]

it's going to be Bomberman, Zero and Shadow for base game.

yes, I'm aware that all three are ATs. I don't care, so is Waluigi and I'm predicting him too.

 

[Guynamednelson]

yes, I'm aware that all three are ATs

people still acting like AT promotions can't happen isn't helping the Schrodinger's FP3 Discussion allegations

or allegatioN, singular, since I'm the only one who thinks that.

 

[AlRex]

Zero isn’t on “my mom has heard of them” status like Chun-Li is. Anecdotal evidence, but this probably is the average (or they don’t know either) unless your moms are big gamers.

 

[GoldenYuiitusin]

Top 10 sentences that Assist fans mutter to cope with the fact that their most wanted is an Assist

A number of my wanteds are currently Assists.
I've accepted that's where they're likely to stay since quite a while back. :V

 

[Gengar84]

Zero isn’t on “my mom has heard of them” status like Chun-Li is. Anecdotal evidence, but this probably is the average (or they don’t know either) unless your moms are big gamers.

I can guarantee you my mom hasn’t heard of either of them lol. She knows a few Mario characters, Link, and Pikachu and that’s about it.

 

[Louie G.]

Although, there might have been a point in time where Guile was more iconic in the US specifically thanks to being the star of the first movie.

Guile was the head honcho in the cartoon too, and I recall him having a strong presence with the toys. Ultimately this doesn't seem to have stuck really, Guile is still popular and iconic but not as synonymous as your quintessential Ryu / Ken / Chun-Li.

I find it pretty fascinating, and honestly really funny, that they thought we were so vain in the USA where we would only care about Street Fighter if the American guy was the face of the series. Maybe it'd have been interesting if they applied this logic to every region they marketed the series in. But I guess it didn't take long to find out we find the guys from across the world just as cool, lol.

 

[Þe 1 → Way]

I'm ngl, you kinda shot your argument in the foot by saying "...except Sonic". Like, Street Fighter has an echo fighter already and Chun-Li is at least as popular as any given Sonic character. What makes Sonic the exception? If anything, citing this steadier progression off one unique character and one echo fighter toward a new face in Chun-Li or Alucard makes way more sense.

I wasn't really making an argument so much as I was expressing a sentiment I hold, although this does make me think about why I feel this way more.

To better clarify my thoughts. I might be a pessimist, and I know cut talk is frowned upon, but the idea of SF getting 3 characters over Sonic sounds less reasonable to me because I'm not even entirely sure if Ryu is coming back. I do see him as likely, he is on my fan roster, but compared to what's generally considered the main three in Mega Man, Pac Man, Sonic? I'm iffy. If he does come back, I'm then unsure if Sakurai would want to bring back Ken given his resources or spring for a different shoto idea. The idea of 3 SF characters isn't impossible, that's by no means what I'm saying, but I really do not see it as a likely outcome.

I didn't mention it, but as much as I want Alucard, Castlevania is sorta in the same boat in that regard. I'm unsure if Simon comes back. If he does, I'm unsure on Richter. If they both do, I'm really not sure on Alucard.

I suppose then I would see Sonic as the exception because he's the only member of that trinity I could see getting three characters. MegaMan does have options, but I couldn't really imagine getting Zero and then someone else. Pac-Man is pretty fine by himself. However, I could imagine getting Shadow and then Robotnik, for instance. Maybe it is just because there's more talk in the community about Sonic getting more characters, but even then, doesn't more requests for these characters kinda make it more likely we get these characters?

Still, I really don't see any third party getting more than 2 reps a series base roster, just because of how many options are on the table both to bring back and include. I just mentioned Sonic because I think Shadow is likely and there might be room for more.

It does sound a little silly in retrospect to say I see 2 returning vets and a newcomer as less likely than one returning vet and 2 newcomers, but at least in my case it stems from the idea that both Clones and Third parties are generally limited in the base Smash of next game, which makes the prospect of Capcom having 4 reps base game, with three for SF a hard notion. Especially since although Sega does have some pretty stiff competition, I would say a third Sonic rep still isn't facing quite the competition Capcom puts up against Chun Li with MH, AA, and DMC.

 

[GoldenYuiitusin]

Guile was the head honcho in the cartoon too, and I recall him having a strong presence with the toys. Ultimately this doesn't seem to have stuck really, Guile is still popular and iconic but not as synonymous as your quintessential Ryu / Ken / Chun-Li.

I find it pretty fascinating, and honestly really funny, that they thought we were so vain in the USA where we would only care about Street Fighter if the American guy was the face of the series. Maybe it'd have been interesting if they applied this logic to every region they marketed the series in. But I guess it didn't take long to find out we find the guys from across the world just as cool, lol.

And then they added a REAL American in 4 just to never have him show up again.

 

[BuckleyTim]

And then they added a REAL American in 4 just to never have him show up again.

You're not gonna be ready for the year 3 dlc for SF6 :insider:

 

[Gengar84]

Guile has always been my personal favorite Street Fighter character but recent events make it difficult to fully get behind “super patriotic American soldier guy”. I think I’m starting to gravitate towards Juri Han becoming my favorite now.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

The more that I think about it, the more that I like the idea of Flowchart Ken as an Assist Trophy. You summon him and he immediately jumps forward with a heavy kick. If he hits he confirms into Shoryuken, and if he misses he jumps back and spams Hadouken until he misses, then Shoryukens as soon as he's actionable which will almost always be when nobody is anywhere near him. From there, it's rinse and repeat, though sometimes he skips to the Hadouken spam phase. Also due to his random movement, he has a decent chance of jumping off stage and restarting the flowchart only to jump offstage again. lol

It'd essentially be "Roy fighting his invisible friend" on sterioids and I'd love that. If we ever get Assist Trophies of fighters that are already in the game, I want this to be the first one.

 

[Dinoman96]

How many Street Fighter 4/Super Street Fighter 4 newcomers actually showed up (in playable form obv) in future mainline SF games again?

As an outsider, It always felt like Juri was the one real stand out character from that. It's kinda telling me to that she's the only non-SFII character on SF6's base roster, as well as being the only post-90s SF character represented in Smash Bros. with a spirit.

 

[Gengar84]

How many Street Fighter 4/Super Street Fighter 4 newcomers actually showed up (in playable form obv) in future mainline SF games again?

As an outsider, It always felt like Juri was the one real stand out character from that. It's kinda telling me to that she's the only non-SFII character on SF6's base roster, as well as being the only post-90s SF character represented in Smash Bros. with a spirit.

That’s one reason why she’s my personal most wanted Street Fighter character. The main reason is that I just think she’s cool but that definitely helps. I think she’d be a great way to represent the modern side of the series. I’m in no way trying to discount Chun-Li though. She’s very deserving and a gaming legend as one of the first breakout female characters in gaming. I’m just explaining my personal preference.

 

[Thegameandwatch]

Is there any series that is the least likely to get a second rep in Smash?

 

[Gengar84]

Is there any series that is the least likely to get a second rep in Smash?

I think a bunch of them but I’ll go with Banjo-Kazooie as the least likely. I don’t really see getting Gruntilda or Mumbo Jumbo before Rash, Fulgore, Joanna Dark, or even Conker.

 

[ninjahmos]

Is there any series that is the least likely to get a second rep in Smash?

I'd probably say F-Zero, Punch-Out and Metal Gear.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

How many Street Fighter 4/Super Street Fighter 4 newcomers actually showed up (in playable form obv) in future mainline SF games again?

Looking at a list of faces and going off of memory, the newcomers were Decapre, Seth, Gouken, Oni, Hakan, C. Viper. Abel, Juri, Rufus, and El Fuerte. Of those, only Seth and Juri have been playable since. Both were DLC in V, but Juri did make it to base in 6.

Street Fighter V had Kage, Falke, Menat, Rashid, Necalli, Kolin, Zeku, Luke (technically), G, Ed, Laura, F.A.N.G., Abigail, Lucia, and Eleven. None returned in base (EDIT EDIT: except for Luke who was intended to be a newcomer there), but Rashid and Ed have appeared in 6 as DLC.

Is there any series that is the least likely to get a second rep in Smash?

Game & Watch.

EDIT: Also Duck Hunt

 

[GoldenYuiitusin]

Is there any series that is the least likely to get a second rep in Smash?

Ice Climber, Gyromite/Stack-Up, Game & Watch, Duck Hunt....

 

[Louie G.]

To better clarify my thoughts. I might be a pessimist, and I know cut talk is frowned upon, but the idea of SF getting 3 characters over Sonic sounds less reasonable to me because I'm not even entirely sure if Ryu is coming back. I do see him as likely, he is on my fan roster, but compared to what's generally considered the main three in Mega Man, Pac Man, Sonic? I'm iffy.

I guess this is where we differ then, because I do see Ryu effectively as likely as those three. Instead of a "main three" it's a "big four" in my eyes.

I probably don't need to convince you why, being that he's on your roster. But I will say the most compelling argument may be that we have three traditional fighting game characters in Smash now, and both Terry and Kazuya clearly take cues from the foundation that Ryu has established. To cut Ryu is kind of a butterfly effect that cuts both of the other two as well, and with how strong the focus on fighting games has developed to be in Smash I can't see them up and removing all of them. Ryu has defined a Smash archetype. Somewhat similarly I think you're gonna at least want one RPG ambassador around.

Smash's scope is bigger than just the platformer-adjacent mascot dudes. They're the easiest to envision coming back, because I guess of this preconceived bias of what "fits" that we've internalized like I said before... I'm not innocent from it, I think these three are kind of the quintessential guests too. But I think Ryu's roots in Smash are well planted where Street Fighter should be perceived as just as much of a staple. The addition of Ken kind of helps sell that further to me, unlike Richter who was built alongside Simon you have Ken who just kind of got in later because they felt like it.

I obviously don't think Sonic is going anywhere either, but that's where I'm at. Street Fighter is just as important to Smash as Sonic is, maybe even more if we're measuring the scope and influence that Ryu's addition has had on different fighters.

 

[Thegameandwatch]

Is there any series that is the least likely to get a second rep in Smash?

Answering my own question.

Another series unlikely to get a second rep is Yoshi. Especially since most of the options (Kamak, Shy Guy or Poochy) could also be listed as Mario characters.

 

[Gengar84]

The other thing to consider is if we really are drastically scaling back the roster as much as some predict (to around 50 characters), I don’t think any third party series is even going to have two characters, let alone three. I don’t think Zero or Shadow have much a chance in that scenario despite being two that I otherwise see as pretty likely. With a 50 character roster, I think we shouldn’t expect much more than 5-8 third party characters total if they want to keep it largely Nintendo focused.

I’m personally expecting closer to 70-75 characters at launch which is why I’m still predicting secondary characters from existing series. I really don’t think I’d have much interest in speculating about a drastically smaller roster than that.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

How many Street Fighter 4/Super Street Fighter 4 newcomers actually showed up (in playable form obv) in future mainline SF games again?

As an outsider, It always felt like Juri was the one real stand out character from that. It's kinda telling me to that she's the only non-SFII character on SF6's base roster, as well as being the only post-90s SF character represented in Smash Bros. with a spirit.

It is literally just Juri.

Oh, and Seth in SFV's fourth season but he was changed to such a degree there that he may as well be a newcomer.

With that said, C. Viper has been getting consistent cameos as well so while not playable, she's not forgotten either.

 

[Wonder Smash]

OK, but see how a few parts of his clothing are blue? I don't think there was any blue in his in-game design.

Yeah but that's why I say it's more detailed on the cover.

Or are you satisfied with just this?

 

[Swamp Sensei]

How many Street Fighter 4/Super Street Fighter 4 newcomers actually showed up (in playable form obv) in future mainline SF games again?

That depends.

Do you count Street Fighter X Tekken as a Street Fighter title? Because a lot of those characters were ported to 4.

Also Crimson Viper was in UMvC3 (and she should be in a new SF game because she's cool).

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

That depends.

Do you count Street Fighter X Tekken as a Street Fighter title? Because a lot of those characters were ported to 4.

Also Crimson Viper was in UMvC3 (and she should be in a new SF game because she's cool).

The question refers to mainline SF games, meaning only characters who returned in either V or 6.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Oh, one character I passed over because it feels like she's been playable forever (as in, she just has the vibe of a legacy character), but Poison made her playable debut in Street Fighter 4, and was later in V as DLC.

EDIT: Also Mr. Icy Hot is a newcomer in V.

 

[Þe 1 → Way]

Smash's scope is bigger than just the platformer-adjacent mascot dudes. They're the easiest to envision coming back, because I guess of this preconceived bias of what "fits" that we've internalized like I said before... I'm not innocent from it, I think these three are kind of the quintessential guests too. But I think Ryu's roots in Smash are well planted where Street Fighter should be perceived as just as much of a staple.

Well said, I do see Ryu as the most likely 3rd party to return after the big three for most of those reasons.

Another thing I didn't mention was characters like Terry and Kazuya also kinda making me iffy on Ken. A lot of people put Kazuya on the chopping block, but I honestly think that since he's unique and one of the devs teams reps, along with being a request from Harada, he's got a solid shot. Terry also turned out to be a fan favorite and SNK was really easy to work with. If either or both of these guys came back, I'd feel even less strongly on Ken's chances, especially being included with someone like Chun Li.

Which really is a shame, it'd be nice to see the FGC get pushed to its absolute limits. Soul Calibur is in a bit of a rough spot, but Nightmare would totally be a fun character.

 

[Dinoman96]

The question refers to mainline SF games, meaning only characters who returned in either V or 6.

Yeah that, I definitely wouldn't count something like SFxT because that was a weird spinoff crossover that was also borrowing assets from Street Fighter 4 which obviously explains why there was a decent amount of SF4 presence in that game.

C. Viper also made it into MVC3 I guess, but other than that...yeah.

 

[Perkilator]

I used TierMaker again, and here’s a thing I made with it for what I’d like to see in the next game.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

As for games earlier than 4, Street Fighter Alpha introduced Dan, Rolento, Sodom, Cody, Guy, Nash, R. Mika, Karin, Sakura, Rose, Gen, Adon, and Birdie. Of those, Dan, Sakura, Cody, Rose, and Karin seem to make pretty consistent appearances, and Nash, Birdie, and R. Mika appeared in Street Fighter V right off.
EDIT: Oh yeah, and Adon, Guy, and Gen were in Street Fighter 4.

Street Fighter 3 introduced Alex, Shean, Ibuki, Necro, Urien, Yun, Remy, Q, Makoto, Twelve, Yang, Hugo, Elena, Dudley, and Oro. Of those, only Ibuki really seems to have become a staple. Yun, Yang, Elena, and Dudley also appeared in 4, while Alex, Urien, and Oro appeared in 5.