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Official Next Smash - Speculation & Discussion Thread

dream1ng

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On one hand, Dark Souls has the undeniable history behind it.

On the other, Elden Ring is a huge hit that's set to eclipse the former franchise very quickly.

Dark Souls currently has a combined total listed of 37.33 mil copies sold as a franchise.

Elden Ring by itself sold 28.6 mil copies as of mid December of 2024.
And this is not including a potential Switch 2 release that's been rumored since months before the Switch 2 was officially announced.


Arguably, it's reasonable to assume Nintendo would smell the money and put priority in Elden Ring content for DLC in the next Smash ahead of Dark Souls, but that's just me.
I've long since been saying that we ought to reevaluate our top MS candidates when we have Skyrim's 60+ mil that seems to go overlooked.

But I also wouldn't take that as a definitive edge the series has over its cumulatively bigger, still very successful contemporaries. Especially when Nintendo "smelling the money" seems to be an inconsistent way of selecting third-parties overall, even with fan choices aside.

Fwiw I also think the commercial reach of From IP really just depends on, like... what actually releases. If Elden Ring 2 releases, it will totally eclipse DS. If Dark Souls 4 were to release, it would, at this point, probably sell numbers far in excess any of the first three managed. If they made a new IP in the Souls vein, I think that thing could probably hit at least 20 mil easy. I think you're capturing a very similarly-sized audience migrating to Smash either way.
 

Hadokeyblade

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Might be a bit off-topic but since we are coming to the close of the Switch 1 onto Switch 2, which announcement was your favorite throughout the Switch lifespan?

Could be Smash or not, any Nintendo Switch announcement can do.

Personally i can't pick, reveals and announcement are too junk-food esque to latch onto.
Well the one i remember the most was when they revealed Super Robot Wars 30 in an E3 direct (the japanese version of the direct, since the game wasnt released on Switch in America, only the steam version), as this was immediately after i got into the games and this entry just so happened to have a roster that borders on dream roster for someone like me.
 

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Might be a bit off-topic but since we are coming to the close of the Switch 1 onto Switch 2, which announcement was your favorite throughout the Switch lifespan?

Could be Smash or not, any Nintendo Switch announcement can do.

Personally i can't pick, reveals and announcement are too junk-food esque to latch onto.
There's too many numerous Smash related ones to name go into detail, but Ridley, K Rool, & Banjo reveals will always be great. In terms of sheer sentiment. the Super Mario RPG remake was extremely special, immortalizing a great game and exposing a wonderfully unique take on Mario to countless new fans. Metroid Dread stood out as leaving me actually open mouth shocked that such a legendarily rumored and speculated title was actuall coming out.

One dark horse announcement that was huge for me was a particular reveal in September 2020. During the Pandemic Partner Directs had been okay at best and outright disappointing at worst. This particular one was solid enough and then there was one final thing:


I had loved Ori & the Blind Forest on Switch. Very enjoyable explorative title with the kind of graphical style I hadn't seen in a platformer adjacent game since the SNES DKC trilogy. Will of the Wisps looked incredible on Xbox, but I had accepted it was even more demanding its predecessor and accepted that if did come out on Switch (which was not guaranteed), it would probably not be for several years. Seeing the game not only announced but outright shadow dropped was an incredibly delightful surprise and it went on to become one of my favorite (possibly my most favorite) Metroidvania release ever. It was the kind of moment that you didn't see in the Wii U era and I think solidified just how significant and contemporary the Switch was.
 
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Thegameandwatch

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Might be a bit off-topic but since we are coming to the close of the Switch 1 onto Switch 2, which announcement was your favorite throughout the Switch lifespan?

Could be Smash or not, any Nintendo Switch announcement can do.

Personally i can't pick, reveals and announcement are too junk-food esque to latch onto.
Metroid Dread which was originally supposed to be a DS game but was shelved because of development issues.
 

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My dream (and never ever) moveset idea for paper mario is that he deploy multiple partners of the same type for the same move. So he could kick kooper out and hold him there while also kicking koops out later. Then let bombette out one direction and bobbery out the other if you want.
 

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My dream (and never ever) moveset idea for paper mario is that he deploy multiple partners of the same type for the same move. So he could kick kooper out and hold him there while also kicking koops out later. Then let bombette out one direction and bobbery out the other if you want.
This does have me thinking at the very least it'd be cool to see a Paper Mario assist trophy based around randomized partner attacks from the first two games. Yeah, to some degree it would be another kind of Pokeball, but Bow, Watt, Parakarry, Vivian, Ms. Mowz, Admiral Bobbery, etc. showing up with their unique moves would be fun.
 

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Might be a bit off-topic but since we are coming to the close of the Switch 1 onto Switch 2, which announcement was your favorite throughout the Switch lifespan?

Could be Smash or not, any Nintendo Switch announcement can do.

Personally i can't pick, reveals and announcement are too junk-food esque to latch onto.

I'm sure that, if I thought about it, some game reveals would come to mind (Marvel vs. Capcom Collection, for example), but this was something that I'd wanted to see happen since I was about nine or ten years old, I had long since figured it wouldn't happen, and seeing it become a reality surpassed my expectations. (the announcement of Psychonauts 2 was very similar in that regard)

Ridley was another great reveal (and K. Rool, though Ridley making it into the game made K. Rool seem more likely), along with Everyone Is Here (it was such a relief to go through the pre-release period and not worry about who was being cut), but Banjo and Kazooie in Smash Bros. was what came to mind first.

When it comes to first party games, the Super Mario RPG remake was a nice surprise, and so was Metroid Dread. (I love how the team behind Samus Returns got to make a completely new Metroid game)
 
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Might be a bit off-topic but since we are coming to the close of the Switch 1 onto Switch 2, which announcement was your favorite throughout the Switch lifespan?

Could be Smash or not, any Nintendo Switch announcement can do.

Personally i can't pick, reveals and announcement are too junk-food esque to latch onto.
I'd have to say two big ones.


Super Mario Odyssey's first trailer was absolutely magical for me. I don't think I've ever been as excited for a game as I have with this one.
Seeing the new environments, hearing the fantastic music, and noticing that this looked to be a SANDBOX 3D Mario like 64/Sunshine made me go nuts. The fun and unique character designs of these new, bizarre locations also drew me in like you wouldn't believe.

It's important to have the context that Odyssey was like a bombshell of creativity that dropped all at once after the sort of bland lameness of Mario on Wii U. Not saying every Wii U Mario game was devoid of creativity, but it certainly felt like a lot were going for a similar aesthetic, especially in the latter half of the console's years. This was at the peak of Mario mandate speculation (where we all thought having unique new original characters were a no-go for most Mario titles), so to see a new game that was so unabashedly whimsical and experimental in aesthetics just made me go feral.

I wanted this game the moment it was revealed. Replaying this trailer over and over again was like crack to me. My mind went wild with speculation on what the game could contain and how many of these crazy new characters and items would appear in Mario spinoffs!! ...okay, while only Pauline really ended up being used (something I still lament to this day, what squandered potential), Odyssey itself blew me away.

It's like the only game I've ever played to live up to its hype. I loved the movement, the capture system, the world designs, everything. Every time I stepped foot into a new kingdom I was blown away by how unique they all were. I played the game nonstop for days on end after beating the main quest and I started to see traffic cones in real life and subconsciously think "I should throw my hat at that". That's how absolutely immersed I was in this game.

...Pikmin 4 was the other game. I went nuts over its reveal but the game itself didn't stick the landing quite as perfectly as Mario Odyssey did. I still enjoyed it a lot, but I have a lot more conflicting feelings on it than I do for Mario Odyssey, as much as it pains me to say.

Smash Ultimate itself had a lot of hype from me, but mentioning it too is kind of cheating since everyone likes Smash. Regardless, Ridley's, K. Rool's, and Banjo's trailers had me the most hype while that initial teaser with Inkling had me absolutely giddy with excitement.
 
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I don't think any trailer will ever beat the sheer childlike joy and wonder that the 1-2 punch of Everyone is Here and Ridley's trailer did.

Metroid Dread got me pretty close though.

I suppose Pokemon Legends: Arceus had me super excited as well.
 

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For me, in no particular order:
  1. Super Mario Odyssey’s reveal, for more or less the same reasons as Gorgonzales Gorgonzales
  2. Ridley’s Smash reveal, since I was as dumbfounded as I was excited that Sakurai managed to do it.
  3. Sora’s Smash reveal, because he was my most wanted character and I was so insanely happy when he made it against all odds.
 

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I like this idea because you know how popular a strat it would be to just run both characters straight into the blast zone.
Depending on who they are you could even just kill them by jumping off stage to do a low recovery.

Ice Climbers, Little Mac, Jigglypuff, Bayonetta, Ganondorf...so many characters would die to this tactic pretty easily so long as you had a decent recovery yourself. Basically everyone dies if your Sora or Piranha Plant or something.


WAIT! If your character has a stall then fall attack, you could just down air or down special offstage and watch them plummet to the blast zone (assuming your down special isn't super committal like Amyr or something).
 

DarthEnderX

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Might be a bit off-topic but since we are coming to the close of the Switch 1 onto Switch 2, which announcement was your favorite throughout the Switch lifespan?
Probably the Booster Course Pass. Followed by 'Everyone is Here!'

Ehhhh, doesn't feel like a Ridley stage even if he is fought in the Norfair region.
Sure. But if we'd count "Bowser's Castle" as a Bowser stage and not specifically, like, "Bowser's Drawbridge", then we should count Norfair. It's still the level Ridley lives in.

Though obviously, Pyrosphere would be a more direct Ridley stage.

Although Ridley already has his own stage, but it's not in Ultimate. The Pyrosphere stage in Smash for Wii U is literally based on the boss arena where you fight Ridley in Metroid Other M.
I'd say the Stage and the Fighter have to be in the same game for it to count.
 

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Dunno if someone already posted it (I got a little sidetracked with things), but Nintendo Music's update tonight was Super Mario World.

Everything from trailers has been added now, so we're officially in the dark in terms of possible additions now lol
 
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