Official Next Smash - Speculation & Discussion Thread

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Hilariously, Crash vs. Spyro is one of the few instances where we know for sure who they'll pick first because Spyro has negative popularity in Japan.

Yeah but you see my point here even if my example is the worst lmao

 

[smashkirby]

If we're talking about Sony representation in Smash, what do you all think of Hot Shots getting something (A playable character, an AT, a stage, etc.)?

Bandana Dee, Tom Nook, and Octoling all seem like safe bets for the next game's roster, but I dunno, their series are already represented, and the latter two's series were already used to kick off Smash 4 and Ultimate repectively, so I dunno if they'll try a repeat. That said, Kirby's had a pretty decent upswing lately, and it's always been represented well in Smash even though it's been fairly niche until the past couple of generations. I could see Bandana Dee working pretty well, actually.

It's honestly funny you say this, because guess who was the first newcomer announced for Super Smash Bros. Brawl??

Spoiler

 

[DarthEnderX]

I don't really care how Capcom approaches it, they tried to rebrand the franchise and it didn't work..and that character redesign..YEESH..

And yet Capcom clearly likes that design. Because that's exactly how Nero looks in DMC5.

Rayman vs Crash is such a dumb debate cause the only similarity is that they're platformers who are both highly requested for smash (as much as some are reluctant to admit so for Rayman lol)

They're both Scrimblo Bimblos.

You know, you can just do a Gonzo the Great and call Rayman a “Whatever”.

He's a lovable Scrunklo.

 

[Guynamednelson]

If we're talking about Sony representation in Smash, what do you all think of Hot Shots getting something (A playable character, an AT, a stage, etc.)?

I certainly think a mod of it could get something

(no seriously, Mario Golf is built on the same engine as the first Hot Shots Golf game)

 

[Hadokeyblade]

If we're talking about Sony representation in Smash, what do you all think of Hot Shots getting something (A playable character, an AT, a stage, etc.)?
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It's honestly funny you say this, because guess who was the first newcomer announced for Super Smash Bros. Brawl??

Spoiler

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Wink wink

 

[Pupp135]

I'm curious what people think of Arle Nadja's chances. She was pretty popular during Ultimate's DLC i believe.

Overall, I think her chances are relatively decent given Puyo Puyo’s legacy, and she did have some requests during the Ultimate era. Her main competition in terms of Sega newcomers would mostly likely be against a second Sonic character and a Yakuza character (probably Majima as the developers may be against Kiryu).

I want to ask something irrelevant to the topic/s that just popped my mind and has had me wondering for a long while, do we know why Wario is unlockable in Smash 4? And in both versions at that? It's such a bizarre choice for an unlockable character imo because I don't think anyone was doubting Wario was coming back. I wasn't around at the time of course but like.... it's Wario, who'd bet against him? And I always wondered not only why the reason for that was but also why he was again, unlockable in both versions. In fact in Wii U version, Wario is the only unlockable character to not be some form of clone or a retro/surprise pick which again baffles me that he was made unlockable over other characters who were unlockable in 64/Melee/Brawl.

I think SPEN18 summarize it well enough that secret fighters tended to lower in priority compared to starters but not necessarily on the chopping block. In Wario’s case, I assume that he was viewed as someone important to still keep like Ness or Ganondorf, but it’s fine to finish him a little bit later for series diversity as he is an honorary Mario character. Also, we got some major staples promoted to starters in the form of Luigi, Captain Falcon, and Marth, all of which may have been valued more than Wario at the time.

Same thing here, except I don't know why Lucas was made a starter in Brawl. He honestly should've been unlockable.

It was most likely done to highlight Mother 3’s release. I assume this was also why Ike was a starter.

I guess this mostly makes sense but if we are concentrating on Smash 4's priorities, my one objection is Toon Link being a starter character whereas other clones like Falco and Ganondorf are unlockable which by this logic, would imply that these 2 would be lower priority but Toon Link wouldn't which... yeah, I have a very hard time imagining Toon Link being higher priority than these 2 especially since he was such a last minute addition in Brawl. Like even the argument of ease of development couldn't sway me because Toon Link is a clone but... as I mentioned so is Ganondorf and so is Falco, so I still can't imagine how if in Smash 4, the unlockable characters were really low-priority a character like Toon Link would rank higher than the likes of freaking Ganondorf (and obviously Wario since we're at it). I mean. I can definitely agree on low priority/finished late in development being partially a factor for sure (after all the trio of Dark Pit/Lucina/Dr. Mario are unlockable and they did become separate fighters later on, while Bowser Jr. was confirmedly almost cut) but I do have a hard time seeing it apply in all of the unlockables (with Wario being here as well).

I think there are few factors to this, and I’ll start with Toon Link’s status as a starter. My guess as to why Toon Link is one of the two derivative fighters (the other being Luigi) being promoted to a starter is Sakurai’s stance on having two Links. Based on precedence, I think Sakurai finds value in having two Links in terms of both gameplay and in lore, given that different reincarnations of Link have been used throughout the series. For Falco and Ganondorf, I think Falco’s case is that Star Fox is less popular compared to other franchises, and Ganondorf may be the same case as Wario where Sakurai may have just wanted series variety, and he finds a second Link more important. Like my previous point above, secret characters aren’t necessarily on the chopping block, but they may be viewed less important compared to those on the starting roster. In the case of SSBFor, most would view Mr. Game & Watch, Wario, R.O.B., Ganondorf, and Ness as valuable additions, but they were less important compared to the ones on the starting roster like Mario, Princess Peach, Link, Samus, and Kirby (there are weird exceptions, but this isn’t exclusive to For).

In terms of Playstation characters, Kat from Gavity Rush would be a cool addition. I’m mostly suggesting her as she’s my favorite to play as in Playstation All-Stars.

 

[SPEN18]

I guess this mostly makes sense but if we are concentrating on Smash 4's priorities, my one objection is Toon Link being a starter character whereas other clones like Falco and Ganondorf are unlockable which by this logic, would imply that these 2 would be lower priority but Toon Link wouldn't which... yeah, I have a very hard time imagining Toon Link being higher priority than these 2 especially since he was such a last minute addition in Brawl. Like even the argument of ease of development couldn't sway me because Toon Link is a clone but... as I mentioned so is Ganondorf and so is Falco, so I still can't imagine how if in Smash 4, the unlockable characters were really low-priority a character like Toon Link would rank higher than the likes of freaking Ganondorf (and obviously Wario since we're at it). I mean. I can definitely agree on low priority/finished late in development being partially a factor for sure (after all the trio of Dark Pit/Lucina/Dr. Mario are unlockable and they did become separate fighters later on, while Bowser Jr. was confirmedly almost cut) but I do have a hard time seeing it apply in all of the unlockables (with Wario being here as well).

I agree it's a bit surprising on TL but if that's the only major anomaly, then the theory is lining up very well. Thing is TL can't possibly have been low priority again like he was in Brawl because of how far ahead of release he was revealed (basically a full year). But TL being higher priority doesn't mean Ganondorf and Falco couldn't have been lower. The explanation I can think of, though, is that the Toon aesthetic was still very relevant around the time of the 2012 project plan (funnily enough soon after that is when it would begin to go more by the wayside). Maybe TL was, like, the first clone to be worked on in Smash 4, which could maybe make some sense.

 

[ninjahmos]

I wonder how many third-party characters in Smash are more associated with PlayStation than with Nintendo? Because the only examples I can think of are Snake and Cloud

 

[Swamp Sensei]

What do you think of the Find Mii stage and Find Mii content in Smash?

 

[AreJay25]

I wonder how many third-party characters in Smash are more associated with PlayStation than with Nintendo? Because the only examples I can think of are Snake and Cloud

You can throw in there as well. Tekken was essentially Playstation exclusive until 6.

 

[Megadoomer]

I wonder how many third-party characters in Smash are more associated with PlayStation than with Nintendo? Because the only examples I can think of are Snake and Cloud

Kazuya and Sora also seem to fall into that category - Kingdom Hearts may be more of a multi-platform franchise now, but Kingdom Hearts 1, 2, and Birth By Sleep were exclusive to Sony systems for a while, and those seem to be three of the four "main" titles.

There's also Joker, since Persona 5 was a big Sony exclusive until very recently.

(Also Sephiroth, extending off of Cloud/FF7)

EDIT: maybe Richter? I feel like he's best-known for his role in Symphony of the Night, though I'm not a huge/longtime Castlevania fan so I can't say for sure.

 

[Wonder Smash]

I used to be very much against "PlayStation" characters being Smash.

I wonder how many third-party characters in Smash are more associated with PlayStation than with Nintendo? Because the only examples I can think of are Snake and Cloud

There's also , , and, so I guess that makes 5.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

I wonder how many third-party characters in Smash are more associated with PlayStation than with Nintendo? Because the only examples I can think of are Snake and Cloud

First off, Sephiroth because Cloud's there.

Mainline Persona games had been PS-exclusive for the longest time so Joker's another good one to add.

Early KH was also very PlayStation-centric so Sora's up there.

Richter gets points for being the Belmont who shows up in Symphony of the Night. Not quite enough to feel associated with PS but still, brownie points.

While a stretch, Street Fighter V being funded by Sony gives Ryu and Ken some degree of "PlayStation All-Star" status.

And like AreJay said, Tekken was PS-exclusive until 6 so Kazuya's another good one too.

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

What do you think of the Find Mii stage and Find Mii content in Smash?

I mean, it's okay.

At this point I'd prefer Miitopia getting the stage and plenty of music but I mean I don't DISLIKE the stage or the music tracks it has.

 

[The Prankster 16]

I used to be very much against "PlayStation" characters being Smash.

I wouldn't mind a Sony rep like Kratos or Ratchet & Clank, heck I think it'd be one of the most groundbreaking reveals in Smash history next to Master Cheif.
I just don't see it ever happening unless something big enough to make them that desparate ever happens. It'd probably have to be the biggest flop of all time, bigger than Concord.

 

[HyperSomari64]

Richter gets points for being the Belmont who shows up in Symphony of the Night

but that doesn't quit the fact that he was originally from the CD peripheral of the PC Engine.

 

[ninjahmos]

I'm still hoping for Lara Croft to get into Smash with her own stage and music from the Tomb Raider series, especially Nathan McCree's music. In fact, I think she still has a pretty decent shot, especially since the original Tomb Raider games have been ported to modern consoles including the Switch and PC via Steam.

Whether it's for base game or DLC, I'm not sure, but it's possible.

 

[Godzillathewonderdog]

‘s game was PS2 exclusive until the 3DS version.

Also was in Symphony of the Night, but there was also the PSP exclusive Dracula X Chronicles, and Castlevania Requiem which is a collection of Rondo of Blood and Symphony of the Night that is a PS4 exclusive.

 

[HyperSomari64]

They're both Scrimblo Bimblos.
He's a lovable Scrunklo.

Now I understand! It doesn't matter the species of the character.
There is no difference between a Kao the Kangaroo from a Mohawk & Headphone Jack; and both from a (Classic) Mega Man. They all are cartoonish Scrimblo platformers.

 

[Wonder Smash]

I wouldn't mind a Sony rep like Kratos or Ratchet & Clank, heck I think it'd be one of the most groundbreaking reveals in Smash history next to Master Cheif.
I just don't see it ever happening unless something big enough to make them that desparate ever happens. It'd probably have to be the biggest flop of all time, bigger than Concord.

When it comes to third-party characters in Smash, I'm always more for Nintendo-adjacent characters and multiplatform characters.

I still don't really support Sony characters, and I used to be very much characters heavily associated with PlayStation. But in these recent years, I came from hating Cloud and Joker getting in to being chill with Sephiroth, Kazuya, and Sora getting in. Nowadays, I'm more open to characters like Crash Bandicoot, a former PlayStation mascot. That's something I thought would NEVER happen.

 

[Hadokeyblade]

I wonder how many third-party characters in Smash are more associated with PlayStation than with Nintendo? Because the only examples I can think of are Snake and Cloud

Joker? His main game wasnt on Nintendo until well after his Smash appearance.

Hell im pretty sure the sequel appeared first then Royal.

And then there's Sora, where his bigger adventures were relegated to playstation consoles until after KH3 when Square started porting the HD collections to other platforms.

 

[GoldenYuiitusin]

I mean if she was still Square Enix I could at least be like "All right, we have Final Fantasy, Kingdom Hearts, Dragon Quest... Tomb Raider's pretty prolific, I could see their next character being either Tomb Raider or Nier because 2B is in everything."

But like... She's not anymore, so it comes down to talks with a completely different Western company that Nintendo doesn't have much to do with outside of like THQ Nordic I guess since they were in that third party developer thing?

Like she could happen for sure, but it'd take more effort than if she was just still with Square Enix, which obviously isn't a dealbreaker, but it makes it hard to judge if Nintendo would deem it worthwhile, I guess is my viewpoint?

I'm just cracking over a common pattern that went down during speculation while I was lurking.

 

[DarthEnderX]

I wonder how many third-party characters in Smash are more associated with PlayStation than with Nintendo? Because the only examples I can think of are Snake and Cloud

Have you not seen Hadokeyblade 's sig?

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Have you not seen Hadokeyblade 's sig?

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The fact that there's enough PS all-stars for a whole 8 player game while Microsoft only has the two (four with Vault Boy and Doom Slayer Miis) is hilarious.

 

[GoldenYuiitusin]

The fact that there's enough PS all-stars for a whole 8 player game while Microsoft only has the two (four with Vault Boy and Doom Slayer Miis) is hilarious.

5. You forgot Dovahkiin.

 

[Godzillathewonderdog]

I love getting all these guest characters from series more associated with Playstation, but I don’t know if I want Sony owned characters, not because I don’t think they would be cool, but rather once one Sony character gets added I will never be satiated, I’ll continue wanting more and more.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

5. You forgot Dovahkiin.

I knew I'd forget one lmao

 

[Laniv]

What do you think of the Find Mii stage and Find Mii content in Smash?

It's... fine, I guess. It does have one of my favorite remixes in the game

 

[BrawlX10]

What do you think of the Find Mii stage and Find Mii content in Smash?

It's a nice throwback to the 3ds era nowdays.
I'm not sure if it's ever going to return, through.

At this point I'd prefer Miitopia getting the stage and plenty of music but I mean I don't DISLIKE the stage or the music tracks it has.

Yeah, i think i'd like a Miitopia stage, specially after looking at Crusade mods.

 

[DragonRobotKing26]

since all are talking about PlayStation characters in Smash, it could have great choices as Ratchet & Clank, Sackboy, Kratos, Kat (that is one of that i wanted), Astro Bot,but i think this ones could have chance of joins in Smash

because Toro Inoue is a PlayStation mascot very known on japan

 

[Diddy Kong]

I wonder how many third-party characters in Smash are more associated with PlayStation than with Nintendo? Because the only examples I can think of are Snake and Cloud

Joker for sure. To the point I really questioned his inclusion initially.

 

[SharkLord]

It's their time.

Spoiler

No more money for Nintendo, for players now use the Reinhardt.

That meme aside, I still think Fire Emblem Heroes is very likely, especially as it is owned by Nintendo, is Nintendo's best selling Gacha and has content in the main games now. Veronica would very likely be the rep for Fire Emblem Heroes, and she has alot of what Fire Emblem fans would want from a new Fire Emblem character in Smash Bros, between being a mage with a bit of staff usage, being a non-Avatar main character and being a villain turned anti-hero turned hero(which can be represented by giving her both her Book 1 and Book 6 looks).
And then there's also the Breidablik which would be great for a Pokeball item, but for Fire Emblem characters and you can use that to put in representation for the classes, like Hector and Armoured Knights, Sigurd and Cavalry, Caeda and Pegasus Knights, Camilla and Wyvern Knights, etc, as well as side characters with very little chance of being a playable character in Smash. It can also summon Gods and Godlike beings like Grima and Fomortiis as well, so you can have some of them appear as like the Legendary Pokemon of the Breidablik.

I think a Heroes rep hinges on when the end of service is. Heroes' storyline is approaching the endgame, I believe, and if the CYL votes are any indication the playerbase is nowhere near the peak of what it once was. There's only so long you can keep the wheels turning, and I'm sure IntSys has an end date planned out in advance. Smash 6 will most likely release somewhere between this year and 2027, and Heroes' finale will likely happen around a similar time. Maybe a Heroes rep could get in if they were planned while the game's still running, but I don't know if Nintendo would be keen on pushing a live-service game that's approaching EoS - Especially if it has to compete with an FE game on the Switch 2, which it most likely will.

That said, out of all of Nintendo's mobile games Heroes is definitely the most profitable, so if we want a mobile rep I'd say Veronica is our best bet

 

[Lionfranky]

I'm still hoping for Lara Croft to get into Smash with her own stage and music from the Tomb Raider series, especially Nathan McCree's music. In fact, I think she still has a pretty decent shot, especially since the original Tomb Raider games have been ported to modern consoles including the Switch and PC via Steam.

Whether it's for base game or DLC, I'm not sure, but it's possible.

I seriously doubt characters like Lara Croft would be base.

As for moveset, I really dig this concept

 

[Ivander]

I think a Heroes rep hinges on when the end of service is. Heroes' storyline is approaching the endgame, I believe, and if the CYL votes are any indication the playerbase is nowhere near the peak of what it once was. There's only so long you can keep the wheels turning, and I'm sure IntSys has an end date planned out in advance. Smash 6 will most likely release somewhere between this year and 2027, and Heroes' finale will likely happen around a similar time. Maybe a Heroes rep could get in if they were planned while the game's still running, but I don't know if Nintendo would be keen on pushing a live-service game that's approaching EoS - Especially if it has to compete with an FE game on the Switch 2, which it most likely will.

That said, out of all of Nintendo's mobile games Heroes is definitely the most profitable, so if we want a mobile rep I'd say Veronica is our best bet

I mean, after Pocket Camp, there is the possible chance that Fire Emblem Heroes could get a free version that older players could transfer their stuff over to. Especially when Pocket Camp had a Gacha-like system with the Fortune cookies.
That said, despite reaching Book 9, FEH is still apparently making a lot of money. Sure, no where near Grand Order levels or any other close games, but the Banners during this Book have been doing solid and the recent Legendary/Mythic Banner with Legendary Ayra and Athos was especially popular in Japan. So whether they actually do commit to ending FEH after Book 9 is up in the air, because business-wise, of course they aren't going to shut it down if it's still making them alot of money.

And Veronica is likely the best bet since she's the only Fire Emblem Heroes character to outright appear in a mainline game, even if it was as DLC for Engage.

 

[smashkirby]

What do you think of the Find Mii stage and Find Mii content in Smash?

I suppose it's fine for what we currently have. Still though, I can't say that I'm not curious as to what the Wandering Heroes could offer to Smash Bros. as playable characters, if Sakurai ever decided to entertain such an idea.

All of that being said, Dark Lord has absolutely become one of my favorite Smash Bros. tracks of all time (to the point where there was a time where my music settings for Smash Run were locked to ONLY play a mix of either Dark Lord, Smash 4's Battlefield theme, Smash 4's main menu theme, and the Pac-Man's Park/Block Town Medley).

 

[AlRex]

Nobody brought up Sweet Tooth from Twisted Metal for the Sony characters. Him and PaRappa would be my most wanted, both because they’re cool in their own right and I also liking seeing more genres represented in Smash. Kratos is probably the biggest name now and would be the biggest indicator of “holy crap, a PlayStation character is in Smash”. To varying degrees, Ratchet & Clank, Aloy, Joel & Ellie, Astro Bot, Sackboy, Lemmings, Q*Bert, and many others all have merits…maybe they could try PSASBR again, also. Who knows?

I’ve learned from other discussion that Crash absolutely has merit to be in as well, and be considered as iconic in the gaming sphere as general. More or less, he’s about as well off as Mega Man and Castlevania were before Smash, and definitely more so than the often compared Banjo, who is absolutely “washed”, as they say. Crash can at least say he’s got a successful series, rather than two games that sold less than Croc. But perhaps I should be quiet while I’m ahead on that. Rayman is about equal with Crash, IMO, though I’d put Crash slightly ahead in general popularity. Unfortunately, Spyro would be very unlikely to join either, due to almost no presence in Japan.

 

[ninjahmos]

RE: SONY

I also think Jak & Daxter would be pretty cool. Or even Sly Cooper.

Oh, and I've said this before, but I also think Spike from Ape Escape would be a pretty cool PlayStation rep. I'm not sure if they'd be able to use Soichi Terada's music though…

 

[SPEN18]

What do you think of the Find Mii stage and Find Mii content in Smash?

Feels like such a Sakurai thing to include in a way, something inextricably linked to the hardware that almost everyone who had a 3DS is likely to remember in some extent, but not something that would be most people's first thought for representation. I like the Find Mii stage and with hazards off too it's a simple but interesting layout.

 

[Thegameandwatch]

Feels like such a Sakurai thing to include in a way, something inextricably linked to the hardware that almost everyone who had a 3DS is likely to remember in some extent, but not something that would be most people's first thought for representation. I like the Find Mii stage and with hazards off too it's a simple but interesting layout.

It’s like how there was two stages based on PictoChat which was universal on all DS models until the 3DS.

 

[fogbadge]

What do you think of the Find Mii stage and Find Mii content in Smash?

I think the stage is pretty good. not perfect but good in it's own way. at least the stage boss feels relatively unintrusive. personally I'd have loved a few more stages based on the other streetpass games