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Official Next Smash - Speculation & Discussion Thread

RileyXY1

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Well considering we got MinMin and Pyra in Ultimate it's entirely possible we could get a non protagonist FE character in the future.
Although those two were special exceptions. Kosuke Yabuki (the producer of ARMS) specifically wanted Min Min to be the ARMS rep, while we got Pyra/Mythra because Sakurai's original plans involving Rex couldn't happen due to system limitations.
 

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Although those two were special exceptions. Kosuke Yabuki (the producer of ARMS) specifically wanted Min Min to be the ARMS rep, while we got Pyra/Mythra because Sakurai's original plans involving Rex couldn't happen due to system limitations.
Also ARMS doesn't have a traditional story and Pyra/Mythra are absolutely protagonists.
 

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I do wonder how Nintendo will respond to Byleth's massive backlash, if they do at all. FE's representation in Smash will continue to be a hot topic. They could avoid adding FE newcomers and/or make several FE veterans lower priority.
They probably won’t. Yeah there was some backlash but people accept Byleth just fine these days.
 

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I’ve never played Engage so I can’t really give a fair assessment on that. From what I saw of the trailer, the general tone of the game didn’t really appeal to me so I skipped it. I started with Path of Radiance and from there played Radiant Dawn, Awakening, Fates, and Three Houses but that’s the extent of my experience with the franchise besides the two Warriors games.
Engage is not a bad game but Alear definitely falls into character with the least interesting personality in the game
 

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I do wonder how Nintendo will respond to Byleth's massive backlash, if they do at all. FE's representation in Smash will continue to be a hot topic. They could avoid adding FE newcomers and/or make several FE veterans lower priority.
I think part of it was that people had the expectation that the pass was all going to be third party. Byleth broke that but also gave us yet another avatar character without a ton of personality. For me, I stupidly got my hopes up with Sakurai’s hand gesture and thought there was a chance I was getting my most wanted character. Instead of getting upset, I kind of just laughed at the whole situation and at myself for letting myself get deluded like that. Had it been Edelgarde instead of Byleth, I’d be a lot more excited even if I still wasn’t getting what I was hoping for.
 
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I do wonder how Nintendo will respond to Byleth's massive backlash, if they do at all. FE's representation in Smash will continue to be a hot topic. They could avoid adding FE newcomers and/or make several FE veterans lower priority.
They responded to Corrin's backlash by adding Chrom and Byleth.

I don't think they care.

At most Sakurai will probably bring down the number of characters in base since even he says there's a lot.
 

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Modest prediction if they shrink the roster while adding new blood. Di
I do wonder how Nintendo will respond to Byleth's massive backlash, if they do at all. FE's representation in Smash will continue to be a hot topic. They could avoid adding FE newcomers and/or make several FE veterans lower priority.
(Straps on sword proof vest) Best possible timeline.
 
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Engage is not a bad game but Alear definitely falls into character with the least interesting personality in the game
I'd say Alear's heavily carried by how much you like the last couple of chapters because that's where the game hides like, all of Alear's sauce.

It did enough for me to actually appreciate that Alear spends most of the game as a "generic FE protag". That makes sense with context, I swear.
 
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Although those two were special exceptions. Kosuke Yabuki (the producer of ARMS) specifically wanted Min Min to be the ARMS rep, while we got Pyra/Mythra because Sakurai's original plans involving Rex couldn't happen due to system limitations.
ARMS in general doesn’t have a protagonist since the story isn’t the focus. Spring Man is just front and center and probably would have been more one dimensional if he was chosen.

Pyra and Mythra are still the protagonists alongside Rex (maybe deuteragonists).
 

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Well considering we got MinMin and Pyra in Ultimate it's entirely possible we could get a non protagonist FE character in the future.
Implying Pyra isn't a major protagonist is certainly a take given the entire game wouldn't happen without her.

She's at the absolute worst a deuteragonist (which at least shows they didn't just pick any random Blade from the game) but I think most people would be fine with saying she and Mythra have just as much of an important impact as "main protagonist" than Rex does, if not more.

The only thing truly "preventing" them from having full main protag billing is that Rex is the one you control in the overworld. Otherwise, they're basically the main chartacters.
 
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I wonder if Pyra and Mythra being chosen over Rex opens the door for other female co-protagonists or supporting cast like Yuna, Garnet, Shionne, or Mio. I do think Smash could use more playable female characters but they’re often more secondary protagonists to their male counterparts. In Yuna’s and Garnet’s case, the story actually revolves more around their journey and the male protagonist is kind of just along for the ride until they become the focus towards the end.
 

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They responded to Corrin's backlash by adding Chrom and Byleth.

I don't think they care.
Then they can keep suffering the backlash.

Implying Pyra isn't a major protagonist is certainly a take given the entire game wouldn't happen without her.
That's not what a protagonist is.

Harry Potter's story wouldn't happen without Voldemort. That doesn't make him the protagonist.
 

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I do wonder how Nintendo will respond to Byleth's massive backlash, if they do at all. FE's representation in Smash will continue to be a hot topic. They could avoid adding FE newcomers and/or make several FE veterans lower priority.
It won't do anything because there are still clearly fans of Fire Emblem in regards to Smash Bros. The reason we got Roy back and Chrom was because people wanted Roy back and Chrom was voted notably on the Ballot to make the decision to make him an Echo. Just because some people are alot more open in their negativity to Fire Emblem doesn't mean they will stop doing Fire Emblem.

And let's be honest, Capcom did not do Nintendo any favors for Byleth when they were promoting the special edition of Devil May Cry 3. That definitely played a role.
(Straps on sword proof vest) Best possible timeline.
Okaaaaay.
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I thought we learned from Indiana Jones that you never bring a sword proof vest to a firing squad with machine guns and rockets.
 
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I'd say Alear's heavily carried by how much you like the last couple of chapters because that's where the game hides like, all of Alear's sauce.

It did enough for me to actually appreciate that Alear spends most of the game as a "generic FE protag". That makes sense with context, I swear.
well the fact that he feels very similar to a number of the past protagonists in the game would prove this
 

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Since we’re talking about avatar characters, I’m curious to get people’s opinions on something. How much does a character’s personality or story impact how much you want them in Smash? I feel like I’m in the minority on this one who puts more value on characters with strong personalities and growth so I’m less interested in avatars. I see that Byleth is generally really popular and tons of people would like characters like Monster Hunter. Logically, personality shouldn’t matter as much in a platform fighter that doesn’t give the characters much of an opportunity to show that off but it’s still important to me. If you want characters mainly for other reasons like their moveset, design, or that you just liked their game, that’s cool too. I want different characters for different reasons myself.
 

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My favorite moment that I've seen of Alear is them explaining themself to their past self, and they're like "That's stupid, and you're gonna die." lol
That does raise the question that if Alear were to get in, could they get a Alternate costume version of their Past selves with potential voice dialogue changes reflecting their past self? As much as we like to joke about Ike's voice line differences between his PoR and RD versions, it does show Sakurai's willingness to have the same voice actor do separate voice lines for the same character depending on the alternate.
 

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That does raise the question that if Alear were to get in, could they get a Alternate costume version of their Past selves with potential voice dialogue changes reflecting their past self? As much as we like to joke about Ike's voice line differences between his PoR and RD versions, it does show Sakurai's willingness to have the same voice actor do separate voice lines for the same character depending on the alternate.
I figure even if they didn't do the voice thing they'd probably have alts for past Alear with the all-red hair and the black and red outfit and also one for Emblem Alear with the all-blue hair and possibly a glowing effect?
 

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It won't do anything because there are still clearly fans of Fire Emblem in regards to Smash Bros. The reason we got Roy back and Chrom was because people wanted Roy back and Chrom was voted notably on the Ballot to make the decision to make him an Echo. Just because some people are alot more open in their negativity to Fire Emblem doesn't mean they will stop doing Fire Emblem.

And let's be honest, Capcom did not do Nintendo any favors for Byleth when they were promoting the special edition of Devil May Cry 3. That definitely played a role.

Okaaaaay.

I thought we learned from Indiana Jones that you never bring a sword proof vest to a firing squad with machine guns and rockets.
That's the idea. I'd prefer to be shot. :smash:
 

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Since we’re talking about avatar characters, I’m curious to get people’s opinions on something. How much does a character’s personality or story impact how much you want them in Smash? I feel like I’m in the minority on this one who puts more value on characters with strong personalities and growth so I’m less interested in avatars. I see that Byleth is generally really popular and tons of people would like characters like Monster Hunter. Logically, personality shouldn’t matter as much in a platform fighter that doesn’t give the characters much of an opportunity to show that off but it’s still important to me. If you want characters mainly for other reasons like their moveset, design, or that you just liked their game, that’s cool too. I want different characters for different reasons myself.
it plays a bit but not it's not the only thing. in my case I tend not to like characters who's personalities I can't stand. but I can tolerate blanks be they like corrin or byleth
 

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What does a "niche" or "obscure" character mean to you? (Note that niche and obscure aren't the same thing.)
I've seen this term thrown a lot in Smash Speculation and seems like everyone has their own meaning of the words, some people use it to troll or be annoying, sure, but let's ignore those people for this question.
 

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I am aware that Puyo Puyo Quest gets a mouthful of crossovers, but I was more talking about Puyo-related crossovers that aren't using Quest as a basis, like PxZ or the SEGA characters in Banana Mania and Banana Rumble as I mentioned above, or how Like a Dragon content is coming to both Fortnite and Dave the Diver. I really want Puyo Puyo to beat the "relies too much on a gacha game entry" allegations because I know the series is more than just Quest.


Huh, I actually didn't really know that. The funny thing is, during Ultimate DLC, someone used to try and astroturf SoR on me when I brought up Puyo just because 4 was out and everyone liked it. And then absolutely nothing else is happening for that series until that new game they teased comes out...assuming it doesn't end up cancelled.
Goes to show that recency bias is one heck of a drug (I should know.)
There's quite a few non Puyo Quest crossovers
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What does a "niche" or "obscure" character mean to you? (Note that niche and obscure aren't the same thing.)
I've seen this term thrown a lot in Smash Speculation and seems like everyone has their own meaning of the words, some people use it to troll or be annoying, sure, but let's ignore those people for this question.
To me, niche would be something that, while mostly unknown by the masses, has made its place within certain circles.

As an example, SNK IPs are rather niche since the company carved its place within the FGC community but was relatively unknown in the West outside of that prior to Terry being added to Smash.

And to me, obscure is very much a lesser-known game that failed to carve out a niche. I'm not sure what kind of games would best suit this kind of definition but a lot of the stuff in the NES and SNES apps on the Switch could be in that ballpark.
 

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What does a "niche" or "obscure" character mean to you? (Note that niche and obscure aren't the same thing.)
I've seen this term thrown a lot in Smash Speculation and seems like everyone has their own meaning of the words, some people use it to troll or be annoying, sure, but let's ignore those people for this question.
It’s hard to say where the line is. A lot of my most wanted are relatively popular in gaming in general but are really niche in terms of Smash discussions. I think the most niche character I’d love to see is Zegram Ghart from Rogue Galaxy. That game was never really big to begin with but it’s been decades since it released. Other favorites like the Battletoads, Fulgore, and Bill Rizer were big at one point but are fairly niche now.
 

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I'll say this…

If there really has to be a new Fire Emblem character every Smash, then they should try looking for a character that isn't a protagonist or a swordfighter. There should be more variety.

Also, I don't think newcomers from new games should always be from upcoming games, even just to promote them. That just seems like poor planning. They should wait for the game to fully release and then maybe add the character from that game into Smash.
 

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What does a "niche" or "obscure" character mean to you? (Note that niche and obscure aren't the same thing.)
I've seen this term thrown a lot in Smash Speculation and seems like everyone has their own meaning of the words, some people use it to troll or be annoying, sure, but let's ignore those people for this question.
I feel like a niche option is either a character that is unknown by general audiences but very popular by requests or the opposite where it’s popular by general audiences but it’s not that requested.

Geno is the former while a Fortnite character is the latter.

I think Obscure is almost completely unknown
 

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Are Anna or any descendants of her (I honestly have no idea if she even has any or if her or any of them appearing in later games would make any sense story-wise since Awakening is thus far the only Fire Emblem game I've played) still fairly relevant in any recent FE games or did her relevance quickly fade with the following games?

I remember her getting a decent amount of support back in the pre-release Smash 4 days but seldom seeing her even get brought up in character speculation talk at all during pre-release Ultimate days.
 
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Pokémon at least got lucky that Pichu, Lucario, and Greninja all turned out to be extremely popular and marketable. Incineroar not so much because the most promoted Gen 7 starter was actually Decidueye.
And even then, I'm pretty sure the extremely popular and marketable part is mostly due to Rowlet being an adorable little birb than it is Decidueye.
 

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And even then, I'm pretty sure the extremely popular and marketable part is mostly due to Rowlet being an adorable little birb than it is Decidueye.
Still, Decidueye got into Pokken Tournament DX (and was used heavily in promotion) as well as Unite, where it's the only playable Gen 7 starter at the current moment. Also thanks to its Hisuian form it is currently the latest debuting Pokémon to receive a regional variant.
 
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Are Anna or any descendants of her (I honestly have no idea if she even has any or if her or any of them appearing in later games would make any sense story-wise since Awakening is thus far the only Fire Emblem game I've played) still fairly relevant in any recent FE games or did her relevance quickly fade with the following games?

I remember her getting a decent amount of support back in the pre-release Smash 4 days but seldom seeing her even get brought up in character speculation talk at all during pre-release Ultimate days.
She was a shopkeeper in world of light so I guess that was enough.
 

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Are Anna or any descendants of her (I honestly have no idea if she even has any or if her or any of them appearing in later games would make any sense story-wise since Awakening is thus far the only Fire Emblem game I've played) still fairly relevant in any recent FE games or did her relevance quickly fade with the following games?

I remember her getting a decent amount of support back in the pre-release Smash 4 days but seldom seeing her even get brought up in character speculation talk at all during pre-release Ultimate days.
Anna is meant to have a large role as Commander of the the Order of Heroes in, well, Heroes (in fact, it's because of her Kiran is there at all) but any one in the good guys' side not named Alfonse tends to get the short stick in terms of plot impact and relevance... if they even get a stick at all.

In Fates, she was a DLC-exclusive thing that that had her own map and also her own supports and stuff. She is now technically lost media.

In Three Houses, she was given even less than that, being simply a unit they tossed with the DLC. She notably had no supports with anyone, making it difficult to justify using her as a unit.

Engage made her a gremlin and it's actually really funny. Just having this young child try to sell you anything is a pretty silly dynamic.
 
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Are Anna or any descendants of her (I honestly have no idea if she even has any or if her or any of them appearing in later games would make any sense story-wise since Awakening is thus far the only Fire Emblem game I've played) still fairly relevant in any recent FE games or did her relevance quickly fade with the following games?

I remember her getting a decent amount of support back in the pre-release Smash 4 days but seldom seeing her even get brought up in character speculation talk at all during pre-release Ultimate days.
I mean in Fates she was a minor playable character via DLC, I think Three Houses did the same thing, and then Engage had an actual Anna playable WITHOUT DLC with the little child Anna, but she's an optional unit alongside Jean, placed into little side maps. If you recruit her, she also runs a little side shop in the Somniel that sells support-boosting gift items, but I think even if you don't, I wanna say Timerra runs it? I'm pretty sure someone does if Anna's not there, but I don't know who since I've always recruited Anna lol

So outside of Heroes, not much, though Lady Anna as she likes to be called in Engage is a pretty fun version of her, I like her.
 
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