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Official Next Smash - Speculation & Discussion Thread

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Which Ultimate character would be considered unlikely in this thread if they were never added? An example is Sephiroth and Richter.
It'd be easier to list the ones that WOULD be likely. Because of the way many of them got in, I'll assume the Ballot never existed in this hypothetical

:ulthero: - Dragon Quest is ****ing huge in Japan. It would've shown up eventually.
:ultinkling: - Huge recent series. No way would Inkling have never showed up.
:ultisabelle: - Hugely popular character. She probably would've been a good frontrunner.
:ultjoker: - ATLUS loves to shove Joker in everything. He could've had a decent shot.
:ultminmin - Recent series.
:ultken: - Assuming Echo Fighters would still have had some impact, he could've gotten in.
:ultsimon: - Castlevania always felt like a matter of when rather than if.
:ultsteve: - With how much Nintendo and Microsoft played ball together and how big Minecraft is, he'd have gotten in eventually.

And that's it. The remaining 16 are a mixture of people who would've missed their chance (Byleth, Incineroar, Aegis, etc.), people who Sakurai would never have known they were in super high demand (K. Rool, Ridley, etc.) or people who could have been outprioritized if it wasn't for the Ballot (Banjo, most Echo Fighters, etc.)
 
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people who Sakurai would never have known they were in super high demand (K. Rool, Ridley, etc.)
Have to nitpick here and suggest Sakurai knew Ridley was in high demand ever since Brawl. It was just the persistent support + Ballot showing that eventually provoked him to reconsider. Ridley was so clearly popular that Sakurai explained why he wasn't added in two separate interviews. But surely after being burnt three games in a row most people would consider him unlikely to show up next time, anyway.

But yeah, K. Rool's popularity was apparently a mystery. At least rumor has it that Nintendo had no idea until the ballot.
 
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It'd be easier to list the ones that WOULD be likely. Because of the way many of them got in, I'll assume the Ballot never existed in this hypothetical

:ulthero: - Dragon Quest is ****ing huge in Japan. It would've shown up eventually.
:ultinkling: - Huge recent series. No way would Inkling have never showed up.
:ultisabelle: - Hugely popular character. She probably would've been a good frontrunner.
:ultjoker: - ATLUS loves to shove Joker in everything. He could've had a decent shot.
:ultminmin - Recent series.
:ultken: - Assuming Echo Fighters would still have had some impact, he could've gotten in.
:ultsimon: - Castlevania always felt like a matter of when rather than if.
:ultsteve: - With how much Nintendo and Microsoft played ball together and how big Minecraft is, he'd have gotten in eventually.

And that's it. The remaining 16 are a mixture of people who would've missed their chance (Byleth, Incineroar, Aegis, etc.), people who Sakurai would never have known they were in super high demand (K. Rool, Ridley, etc.) or people who could have been outprioritized if it wasn't for the Ballot (Banjo, most Echo Fighters, etc.)
Then there is Sephiroth where most people thought that Sonic would be the first series with a fully original character rather then FF7.
 

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Then there is Sephiroth where most people thought that Sonic would be the first series with a fully original character rather then FF7.
Let's be fair, no one ****ing expected Sephiroth. He wouldn't have been talked about no matter what happened in Ultimate.

Heck, no one expected any third-party villains before Sephiroth. He's the guy who single-handedly made people realize Eggman would be cool in Smash.
 
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It'd be easier to list the ones that WOULD be likely. Because of the way many of them got in, I'll assume the Ballot never existed in this hypothetical

:ulthero: - Dragon Quest is ****ing huge in Japan. It would've shown up eventually.
:ultinkling: - Huge recent series. No way would Inkling have never showed up.
:ultisabelle: - Hugely popular character. She probably would've been a good frontrunner.
:ultjoker: - ATLUS loves to shove Joker in everything. He could've had a decent shot.
:ultminmin - Recent series.
:ultken: - Assuming Echo Fighters would still have had some impact, he could've gotten in.
:ultsimon: - Castlevania always felt like a matter of when rather than if.
:ultsteve: - With how much Nintendo and Microsoft played ball together and how big Minecraft is, he'd have gotten in eventually.

And that's it. The remaining 16 are a mixture of people who would've missed their chance (Byleth, Incineroar, Aegis, etc.), people who Sakurai would never have known they were in super high demand (K. Rool, Ridley, etc.) or people who could have been outprioritized if it wasn't for the Ballot (Banjo, most Echo Fighters, etc.)
Richter's a weird one. I'm not sure if he would've gotten in outside of the ballot. They were put in together, but that's due to Castlevania itself scoring high on the ballot. That said, splitting it between both was more for both sides of the seas fan-wise, so it could go either way. Alucard also could've been chosen otherwise.

Daisy is one of the Echo Fighters that didn't need the ballot for sure too. Only Dark Samus and Chrom were in a bad position without it(moreso Dark Samus. Chrom still had some decent popularity elsewhere, though). They're also the only Echo Fighters to be made clear that fan demand got them in(besides Richter, but that applies equally to Simon anyway). And of course, Dark Pit and Lucina are veterans.

That does make me wonder if we'd have gotten two other ones otherwise. Dixie? Shadow? There's not exactly a ton who downright are easy enough to make(ProtoMan and Bass are in an awkward position of designs and abilities as well as particular animations, so who knows if they would've been on the table in the first place overall). Though if only Dark Samus didn't make it, that still leaves one spot. On the other hand... maybe we'd just have one less character and that's it, heh.

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As for Ridley, Sakurai made it clear the ballot outright got him in. The only thing that resulted in more fan outcry is a really neat stage hazard. Sakurai even spoke of him being awkward to do. It was something that needed the strongest push to get in, since he required an all new model to be even workable. So no, I don't really think he was some inevitable thing. Mayyyyyyybe significantly later down the line(or under a different director), but he wouldn't have been in Ultimate without it.

Sometimes when it says "they were chosen due to the ballot", it really just means that. I like Ridley, but I won't pretend the awkward issues he had beforehand. He wasn't a boss twice, and then a new type of boss(but a stage hazard nonetheless) for no reason. Also, consider how he acts a bit like a normal character in Smash For. The problem is, we've seen this before; Giga Bowser and Master Hand's debuts both had specific properties. Giga Bowser had special immunities as a boss, but was still clearly Bowser's moveset reimagined, and Master Hand had normal controls in Smash 64... and later in Ultimate(albeit, less moves). These don't mean anything and are often for testing purposes or making them a fun and unique boss design. Most bosses don't apply this, being completely different. Even Crazy Hand never had normalish controls.
 
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Sora is already in Smash, so of course i'm not counting him for that question.
My point is prior to his reveal. Would you be saying the same thing? That's my question.

Change in gaming landscape? What do you mean by that?
So many heavy hitters are popping out, getting Nintendo's attention. People inside bubbles are not aware of that.
That's why I've seen false assumption all the time.
 

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As for Ridley, Sakurai made it clear the ballot outright got him in. The only thing that resulted in more fan outcry is a really neat stage hazard. Sakurai even spoke of him being awkward to do. It was something that needed the strongest push to get in, since he required an all new model to be even workable. So no, I don't really think he was some inevitable thing. Mayyyyyyybe significantly later down the line(or under a different director), but he wouldn't have been in Ultimate without it.
I agree with you, the Ballot was the final push that got him here, I was just correcting the idea that Sakurai wasn't aware Ridley was in high demand before the Ballot. He did know that, he just didn't know how to act on it. If he didn't make it into Ultimate I'd consider him a complete lost cause, personally.
 
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I'm more focused on his animations. Xenoblade Shulk doesn't move too quickly, but his animations are relatively quick and his stats are focused on evading attacks, if I remember correctly. I think he's closer to Smash!Cloud than anyone else, given how easily Cloud swings that giant slate of metal. Smash!Shulk awkwardly thrusts, then activates the Monado, like he doesn't know how his own sword works, then sticks the whole thing on his back until he attacks again.

Also, isn't Vision a counter already?
I actually like the deploy stabs, but I do agree that his attacks really shouldn't require him to draw his weapon each time, as he doesn't fight like that in Xenoblade Chronicles. I'm fairly certain the only reason they did that was to explain just how freaking laggy his attacks were in SSB4. And then they realized that was completely unnecessary in Ultimate but didn't bother reanimating him when they sped him up.

For Vision, "more interesting" was the operative word. I know it's a counter already.

I feel like two separate movesets would only serve to overcomplicate things. My wanting them to loose the pressure-sensitive buttons is to bring them in line with the rest of the cast, not make them even more unusual. I like strange and unusual fighters, but I kinda prefer the philosophy of keeping controls roughly the same so everyone can figure out the fighters relatively easily.
Not two separate movesets, but control schemes. The attacks stay the same, but you get to choose if you want the pressure sensitive buttons, or to just allocate another button to the heavy normals. It would be kind of analogous to the Classic vs. Modern mode option in Street Fighter 6, except no moves actually change from one control scheme to another.
 

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So many heavy hitters are popping out, getting Nintendo's attention. People inside bubbles are not aware of that.
That's why I've seen false assumption all the time.
I don’t think that would necessarily deter Crash’s chances. In fact, I’m at least sure that by July 2021 (assuming the project plan is Smash), Nintendo and Sakurai will have at least gained awareness of how much people want Crash in Smash.
 

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My point is prior to his reveal. Would you be saying the same thing? That's my question.
Probably not honestly, but respectully i don't see how it's relevant anymore since he's in Smash already. I can't think of any character that would have the same "issue" as Sora that has a chance to get in anyways.

Something else i have to add:
We honestly also don't know if characters without a Nintendo apareance are elegible as everything in the smash series had at least apared once on a nintendo console, of course it could just be a concidence, but it makes characters from games like Genshin, Elden Ring or Metaphor in a weird area. despite their popularity.
I do think they're elegible, but who actually knows.
 

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Something else i have to add:
We honestly also don't know if characters without a Nintendo apareance are elegible as everything in the smash series had at least apared once on a nintendo console, of course it could just be a concidence, but it makes characters from games like Genshin, Elden Ring or Metaphor in a weird area. despite their popularity.
I do think they're elegible, but who actually knows.
I mean even if that was an issue (I don't think it is even if it is technically true with Cloud being in like KH and Theaterhythm and Joker because of Persona Q2 barely coming out before he was announced for Smash), I feel like Metaphor will probably be on Switch 2 anyway like how Persona 3, 4, and 5 are all on Switch; same thing for P3 Reload.

Genshin too probably tbh, since it got announced for the Switch but obviously they couldn't get that going lol
 
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Probably not honestly, but respectully i don't see how it's relevant anymore since he's in Smash already. I can't think of any character that would have the same "issue" as Sora that has a chance to get in anyways.

Something else i have to add:
We honestly also don't know if characters without a Nintendo apareance are elegible as everything in the smash series had at least apared once on a nintendo console, of course it could just be a concidence, but it makes characters from games like Genshin, Elden Ring or Metaphor in a weird area. despite their popularity.
I do think they're elegible, but who actually knows.
Officially, they're eligible for ballot votes, as "debuting in a video game" was the only requirement. It's probably more likely that they have a better chance of the IP owner has worked with Nintendo before than a straight-out appearance. Cameos absolutely do count, though. If someone isn't getting in who simply has a minor cameo, they were simply just not on the table for some other reason we couldn't know about.

Sakurai at most "wasn't sure" what'd he do if Cloud didn't have a small cameo. So we know it's not a clear-cut-dry thing regardless. That said, Nintendo also chooses characters, so it's also completely different from Sakurai's reasonings. It's much harder to look at criteria that way. Would Nintendo bother choosing someone who hasn't had so much as a cameo? We know Sakurai doesn't worry about console wars(there's a reason he outright advertised BK as a Microsoft product in their presentation).
 

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Which Ultimate character would be considered unlikely in this thread if they were never added? An example is Sephiroth and Richter.
If you mean which characters would be seen as unlikely now in 2025 if they hadn't been included, there's ones like the two you mentioned, Terry, Kazuya, Piranha Plant, etc. who people just wouldn't really expect that much.

There's ones who would be unlikely because time had sort of passed them by like Byleth, Incineroar and Pyra/Mythra.

And there's ones who might be considered less likely because despite the ballot they still wouldn't have been added like K. Rool and Ridley. Though I think this applies more to the first-parties than ones like Sora and Banjo, who I think would've seen their popularity persist.
 

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Something else i have to add:
We honestly also don't know if characters without a Nintendo apareance are elegible as everything in the smash series had at least apared once on a nintendo console, of course it could just be a concidence, but it makes characters from games like Genshin, Elden Ring or Metaphor in a weird area. despite their popularity.
I do think they're elegible, but who actually knows.
I personally think a major Nintendo appearance helps but it's not the true deciding factor of everything.

Sure, no one lacked such a thing, but let's be honest here; Cloud didn't get in because of Theatrhythm and Chain of Memories, Joker didn't get in because of Q2 and Kazuya didn't get in because of Tekken Tag 2.

They're things that help but are ultimately nowhere near the main reason any of these characters were chosen.
 

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If you mean which characters would be seen as unlikely now in 2025 if they hadn't been included, there's ones like the two you mentioned, Terry, Kazuya, Piranha Plant, etc. who people just wouldn't really expect that much.
Although Tekken is likely in general if it didn’t happen but I think most people probably would say Heihachi with the occasional Kazuya and Jin.
 

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I’m actually inclined to argue that after the massive success of Three Houses and persisting popularity of its cast, a character would still be in conversation. Engage would fit better with Smash’s usual trends, but I think there would still be vocal endorsement for one of Byleth or Edelgard. Not to speak on whether or not it’d happen because… who the hell knows, but I don’t think we would collectively consider Byleth unlikely. Even though I’d be team Edelgard myself.

To a lesser extent, same for Pyra / Mythra (and Rex). In this case I feel the conversation would have shifted largely in favor of Mio and Noah, but with how popular Pyra is and Xeno 2 still being the best performing game in the series I don’t think that support would completely disappear. You may see some people put both Xenoblade 2 and 3 on their rosters to account for the vocal support Rex and Pyra got during Ultimate.

Min-Min / ARMS character is hard to say. Half of the people here seem to think she’ll be cut next game anyway, so I can’t say with confidence that an ARMS character would be a popular subject anymore. But maybe we would take Sakurai’s statement about Xeno 2 and ARMS to heart and believe he’ll approach the concept next time. Honestly, I think ARMS became more controversial after Min-Min got in and played kinda lame. I wonder if the sentiment would be more positive if she hadn’t.

…that said, I think Min-Min would be considered a fringe pick and Spring Man / Ribbon Girl would still dominate the conversation.
 
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Min-Min / ARMS character is hard to say. Half of the people here seem to think she’ll be cut next game anyway, so I can’t say with confidence that an ARMS character would be a popular subject anymore.
Being fair, the main reason people are saying that is because of her moveset's design not being fun to fight against.

In a reality where ARMS never got in, we would 100% be supporting the idea of Nintendo giving focus to a new IP.
 

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Being fair, the main reason people are saying that is because of her moveset's design not being fun to fight against.

In a reality where ARMS never got in, we would 100% be supporting the idea of Nintendo giving focus to a new IP.
Them being considered similarly likely to Officer Howard makes sense, especially with both of them being huge question marks in this scenario with the prospective continuation of their series being pretty unknown.
 

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Do you guys think the Death Scythe will return?
Also you think we'll get more 3rd party items?
Honestly, I do, because I feel like Castlevania will stick around next game. I'm a little iffier on Snake because of the weirdness surrounding his absence in Smash 4 that could be because of either party involved, but between Dracula being a boss, getting like 34 tracks with a lot of them being remixes, the fact they're the only 3rd party series to get an item (outside of the Special Flag of course, but Namco was also making the games that was in, so I feel like the Death's Scythe is a little more special), and that they're the only base game 3rd party newcomer in Ultimate (aside from Ken's weird Echo business)?

I can't really see Castlevania going anywhere. Then again, I probably felt the same about Snake after Brawl, so who knows, I just feel like Castlevania will stick around, basically.

As for other third party items, I'm frankly shocked Sonic hasn't gotten one yet when he's been here since Brawl, but I could see maybe a character like Banjo or Steve get one, but I don't really expect many of them; they don't feel very high priority for third parties to consider compared to characters and stages.
 
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So many heavy hitters are popping out, getting Nintendo's attention. People inside bubbles are not aware of that.
That's why I've seen false assumption all the time.
That has nothing to do with Crash, one of those characters that's most likely have gotten Nintendo's attention too.
 

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Ender Pearl from Minecraft would be a cool item. Maybe the Totem of Undying too, that negates knockback of a single fatal blow.
Also Fortnite, that could also get a item, peraphs the Impulse Grenade.


Phoenix Down as an idea for Final Fantasy. Similar to the Special Flag.
For Final Fantasy items i though of Materia begin items, for Fire, Thunder, Cura, Blizzard....A cute reference would be if characters that have weapons put their materia in their weapons.
 
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I feel like if Minecraft is back for base game, it's the most primed to get items. There are like a dozen great options you could pick out there.

And maybe I could see Mega Man get one or two next time around? It seems to get preferential treatment in general, so I wouldn't be surprised to see an E-Tank pop up or anything like that. But idk if we need any more health restoring items.
 

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It's kinda crazy, to be honest, how it's been like 7 years since Ultimate was revealed. I remember when it came out... I was still in high school, and now I've graduated from university. So much has happened since. Is this the longest between games the series has gone at this point? Either way, the wait for the next game just goes to show how long most games these days seem to take to make.

Are people expecting a reveal around the time the first batch of Switch 2 games are announced?
 

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It's kinda crazy, to be honest, how it's been like 7 years since Ultimate was revealed. I remember when it came out... I was still in high school, and now I've graduated from university. So much has happened since. Is this the longest between games the series has gone at this point? Either way, the wait for the next game just goes to show how long most games these days seem to take to make.

Are people expecting a reveal around the time the first batch of Switch 2 games are announced?
I feel like it makes sense for it to be a longer gap since the Switch is Nintendo's longest running console, having run now for 8 years when most of them just run for 5 or 6.

I don't expect a Smash reveal until next year tbh since Melee is the only game in the series that's ever been a launch title (and you probably wanna give Mario Kart a little breathing room after the success of 8 Deluxe), either with an Ultimate style teaser with our first newcomer reveal sometime early in the year and the full reveal in the summer, or potentially just the full reveal in the summer. The only exception imo is if Sakurai's 2021/2022 project wasn't Smash, and he talks about it in the Switch 2 Direct next month and then says something like "Now that this has been revealed, I can confirm we are also hard at work on the next Super Smash Bros." or something like that lol
 

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It's kinda crazy, to be honest, how it's been like 7 years since Ultimate was revealed. I remember when it came out... I was still in high school, and now I've graduated from university. So much has happened since. Is this the longest between games the series has gone at this point? Either way, the wait for the next game just goes to show how long most games these days seem to take to make.

Are people expecting a reveal around the time the first batch of Switch 2 games are announced?
My prediction is 2026 since I think Mario Kart and the new 3D Mario will be the main focus for the Switch 2’s first year. Alongside Metroid Prime 4 as either backwards compatibility or duel release.

By that point it will be 8 years and it’s not even guaranteed since Sakurai could be making a different game since it’s not confirmed what he is working on.

If it’s something then probably a teaser or trailer like how Brawl and Smash 4 were officially revealed a year or two before the official release date.
 

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I feel like if Minecraft is back for base game, it's the most primed to get items. There are like a dozen great options you could pick out there.

And maybe I could see Mega Man get one or two next time around? It seems to get preferential treatment in general, so I wouldn't be surprised to see an E-Tank pop up or anything like that. But idk if we need any more health restoring items.
I do wonder what items Minecraft would get if it did come back for base game.

I’m thinking the Ender Pearl would be a strong and obvious choice. Very recognisable, and we don’t have a teleportation item. Just throw it and you’ll teleport there.

A more recent addition to Minecraft like the Mace could also be neat.

I think Minecraft is also likely to get Assist Trophies. I’ve spoken before on how the Creeper and Warden would be good AT choices.
 

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I do wonder what items Minecraft would get if it did come back for base game.

I’m thinking the Ender Pearl would be a strong and obvious choice. Very recognisable, and we don’t have a teleportation item. Just throw it and you’ll teleport there.

A more recent addition to Minecraft like the Mace could also be neat.

I think Minecraft is also likely to get Assist Trophies. I’ve spoken before on how the Creeper and Warden would be good AT choices.
I think the hardest category for Minecraft is additional original playable characters after Steve if that ever happens. Lot of them don’t have much moveset potential unless it takes inspiration from the spinoffs.

If it’s most likely then probably a separated Enderman and a Skeleton.

Possible ideas but probably not likely since they aren’t as well known:

Piglins could work because they can use different weapon types such as axe, crossbow and sword. Although they could potentially be a skin for Steve if the developers don’t use the new 7 additional default skins.

The Illagers can be a composite character and use different stuff such as axes, bow and arrow, crossbow, Vexes and fang attacks.
 
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Personally, would rather Minecraft get (more) stages, assist trophies, and items before getting a second playable. Maybe a story mode / classic mode boss fight in the Ender Dragon or Wither? The options besides the player avatar just aren't that interesting to me, along with its inherent nature as a sandbox experience without much of a pre-set story with other real fleshed-out "characters" to begin with.
 

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Personally, would rather Minecraft get (more) stages, assist trophies, and items before getting a second playable. Maybe a story mode / classic mode boss fight in the Ender Dragon or Wither? The options besides the player avatar just aren't that interesting to me, along with its inherent nature as a sandbox experience without much of a pre-set story with other real fleshed-out "characters" to begin with.
Yeah, for as big as Minecraft is, I really don't think it needs anyone playable other than Steve (and obviously the various alts). He's the character you can play as, he has a bunch of the tools (pickaxe, shovel, axe, sword), things like buckets, beds, lava blocks, an Elytra, the Crafting Table, etc.

That said, I also don't know if it really needs another stage either considering Minecraft World has so many biomes in it you can pick between (Plains, Birch Forest, Savanna, Taiga, Snowy Tundra, and Stony Shore). Honestly, you could probably just add biomes to that. There are definitely OPTIONS for new stages though, like the Nether or the End, so I can't ENTIRELY count out new Minecraft stages.

I feel like most of Minecraft's additional content would be Assist Trophies or items alongside collectibles, plus more music, since Minecraft currently only has 7 tracks, and apparently some songs were worked on and scrapped partway through, hence why Sakurai said there was a balance of Battle, Tumble, and Glide tracks from the console editions despite having no Tumble tracks at all as well as why Minecraft has the lowest song count of any third party, so I could see those potentially coming back.
 
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It's kinda crazy, to be honest, how it's been like 7 years since Ultimate was revealed. I remember when it came out... I was still in high school, and now I've graduated from university. So much has happened since. Is this the longest between games the series has gone at this point? Either way, the wait for the next game just goes to show how long most games these days seem to take to make.

Are people expecting a reveal around the time the first batch of Switch 2 games are announced?
I was in my first year of Uni when the game came out. I went to pick it up first thing in the morning, had to run to my classes, and then played the game in the library.(On mute, of course). Good times.
Yeah, for as big as Minecraft is, I really don't think it needs anyone playable other than Steve (and obviously the various alts). He's the character you can play as, he has a bunch of the tools (pickaxe, shovel, axe, sword), things like buckets, beds, lava blocks, an Elytra, the Crafting Table, etc.

That said, I also don't know if it really needs another stage either considering Minecraft World has so many biomes in it you can pick between (Plains, Birch Forest, Savanna, Taiga, Snowy Tundra, and Stony Shore). Honestly, you could probably just add biomes to that. There are definitely OPTIONS for new stages though, like the Nether or the End, so I can't ENTIRELY count out new Minecraft stages.

I feel like most of Minecraft's additional content would be Assist Trophies or items alongside collectibles, plus more music, since Minecraft currently only has 7 tracks.
A mushroom biome could be fun, especially with Mooshrooms. Though, wasn't there some legal trouble with Minecraft's music? The original composer left or something, so that does throw a bit of a spanner into the works.
 

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I just hope Minecraft World (or whatever the hypothetical new Minecraft stage is, assuming Minecraft content returns in general) can get an actual 3D background instead of just a skybox. I’d assume that’s a given due to the Switch 2’s extra power, but yeah.
 

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A mushroom biome could be fun, especially with Mooshrooms. Though, wasn't there some legal trouble with Minecraft's music? The original composer left or something, so that does throw a bit of a spanner into the works.
While this is true, Minecraft does still receive occasional new music, like the Tricky Trials update from last year, which I wouldn't imagine would be an issue compared to the original C418 music, though we're not exactly sure what the licensing issue was. Would honestly love to get something like Creator, plus there's music from the console editions that isn't in Smash, like Double Time since there's currently no Tumble minigame music lol
 
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Well, I won't say no to more Lena Raine music. I really loved her stuff in Celeste. On that note, I hope we keep getting more indie game music/remixes in 6. Games like Celeste, Hollow Knight and A Hat in Time should get something even if not a fighter.
 
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