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Which Ultimate character would be considered unlikely in this thread if they were never added? An example is Sephiroth and Richter.
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Half of them honestly.Which Ultimate character would be considered unlikely in this thread if they were never added? An example is Sephiroth and Richter.
It'd be easier to list the ones that WOULD be likely. Because of the way many of them got in, I'll assume the Ballot never existed in this hypotheticalWhich Ultimate character would be considered unlikely in this thread if they were never added? An example is Sephiroth and Richter.
Have to nitpick here and suggest Sakurai knew Ridley was in high demand ever since Brawl. It was just the persistent support + Ballot showing that eventually provoked him to reconsider. Ridley was so clearly popular that Sakurai explained why he wasn't added in two separate interviews. But surely after being burnt three games in a row most people would consider him unlikely to show up next time, anyway.people who Sakurai would never have known they were in super high demand (K. Rool, Ridley, etc.)
Then there is Sephiroth where most people thought that Sonic would be the first series with a fully original character rather then FF7.It'd be easier to list the ones that WOULD be likely. Because of the way many of them got in, I'll assume the Ballot never existed in this hypothetical
- Dragon Quest is ****ing huge in Japan. It would've shown up eventually.
- Huge recent series. No way would Inkling have never showed up.
- Hugely popular character. She probably would've been a good frontrunner.
- ATLUS loves to shove Joker in everything. He could've had a decent shot.
- Recent series.
- Assuming Echo Fighters would still have had some impact, he could've gotten in.
- Castlevania always felt like a matter of when rather than if.
- With how much Nintendo and Microsoft played ball together and how big Minecraft is, he'd have gotten in eventually.
And that's it. The remaining 16 are a mixture of people who would've missed their chance (Byleth, Incineroar, Aegis, etc.), people who Sakurai would never have known they were in super high demand (K. Rool, Ridley, etc.) or people who could have been outprioritized if it wasn't for the Ballot (Banjo, most Echo Fighters, etc.)
Let's be fair, no one ****ing expected Sephiroth. He wouldn't have been talked about no matter what happened in Ultimate.Then there is Sephiroth where most people thought that Sonic would be the first series with a fully original character rather then FF7.
Richter's a weird one. I'm not sure if he would've gotten in outside of the ballot. They were put in together, but that's due to Castlevania itself scoring high on the ballot. That said, splitting it between both was more for both sides of the seas fan-wise, so it could go either way. Alucard also could've been chosen otherwise.It'd be easier to list the ones that WOULD be likely. Because of the way many of them got in, I'll assume the Ballot never existed in this hypothetical
- Dragon Quest is ****ing huge in Japan. It would've shown up eventually.
- Huge recent series. No way would Inkling have never showed up.
- Hugely popular character. She probably would've been a good frontrunner.
- ATLUS loves to shove Joker in everything. He could've had a decent shot.
- Recent series.
- Assuming Echo Fighters would still have had some impact, he could've gotten in.
- Castlevania always felt like a matter of when rather than if.
- With how much Nintendo and Microsoft played ball together and how big Minecraft is, he'd have gotten in eventually.
And that's it. The remaining 16 are a mixture of people who would've missed their chance (Byleth, Incineroar, Aegis, etc.), people who Sakurai would never have known they were in super high demand (K. Rool, Ridley, etc.) or people who could have been outprioritized if it wasn't for the Ballot (Banjo, most Echo Fighters, etc.)
My point is prior to his reveal. Would you be saying the same thing? That's my question.Sora is already in Smash, so of course i'm not counting him for that question.
So many heavy hitters are popping out, getting Nintendo's attention. People inside bubbles are not aware of that.Change in gaming landscape? What do you mean by that?
I agree with you, the Ballot was the final push that got him here, I was just correcting the idea that Sakurai wasn't aware Ridley was in high demand before the Ballot. He did know that, he just didn't know how to act on it. If he didn't make it into Ultimate I'd consider him a complete lost cause, personally.As for Ridley, Sakurai made it clear the ballot outright got him in. The only thing that resulted in more fan outcry is a really neat stage hazard. Sakurai even spoke of him being awkward to do. It was something that needed the strongest push to get in, since he required an all new model to be even workable. So no, I don't really think he was some inevitable thing. Mayyyyyyybe significantly later down the line(or under a different director), but he wouldn't have been in Ultimate without it.
I actually like the deploy stabs, but I do agree that his attacks really shouldn't require him to draw his weapon each time, as he doesn't fight like that in Xenoblade Chronicles. I'm fairly certain the only reason they did that was to explain just how freaking laggy his attacks were in SSB4. And then they realized that was completely unnecessary in Ultimate but didn't bother reanimating him when they sped him up.I'm more focused on his animations. Xenoblade Shulk doesn't move too quickly, but his animations are relatively quick and his stats are focused on evading attacks, if I remember correctly. I think he's closer to Smash!Cloud than anyone else, given how easily Cloud swings that giant slate of metal. Smash!Shulk awkwardly thrusts, then activates the Monado, like he doesn't know how his own sword works, then sticks the whole thing on his back until he attacks again.
Also, isn't Vision a counter already?
Not two separate movesets, but control schemes. The attacks stay the same, but you get to choose if you want the pressure sensitive buttons, or to just allocate another button to the heavy normals. It would be kind of analogous to the Classic vs. Modern mode option in Street Fighter 6, except no moves actually change from one control scheme to another.I feel like two separate movesets would only serve to overcomplicate things. My wanting them to loose the pressure-sensitive buttons is to bring them in line with the rest of the cast, not make them even more unusual. I like strange and unusual fighters, but I kinda prefer the philosophy of keeping controls roughly the same so everyone can figure out the fighters relatively easily.
I don’t think that would necessarily deter Crash’s chances. In fact, I’m at least sure that by July 2021 (assuming the project plan is Smash), Nintendo and Sakurai will have at least gained awareness of how much people want Crash in Smash.So many heavy hitters are popping out, getting Nintendo's attention. People inside bubbles are not aware of that.
That's why I've seen false assumption all the time.
Probably not honestly, but respectully i don't see how it's relevant anymore since he's in Smash already. I can't think of any character that would have the same "issue" as Sora that has a chance to get in anyways.My point is prior to his reveal. Would you be saying the same thing? That's my question.
Sephiroth, because lets be real, he was never on anyones radarWhich Ultimate character would be considered unlikely in this thread if they were never added? An example is Sephiroth and Richter.
Two words: Piranha Plant.Which Ultimate character would be considered unlikely in this thread if they were never added? An example is Sephiroth and Richter.
I mean even if that was an issue (I don't think it is even if it is technically true with Cloud being in like KH and Theaterhythm and Joker because of Persona Q2 barely coming out before he was announced for Smash), I feel like Metaphor will probably be on Switch 2 anyway like how Persona 3, 4, and 5 are all on Switch; same thing for P3 Reload.Something else i have to add:
We honestly also don't know if characters without a Nintendo apareance are elegible as everything in the smash series had at least apared once on a nintendo console, of course it could just be a concidence, but it makes characters from games like Genshin, Elden Ring or Metaphor in a weird area. despite their popularity.
I do think they're elegible, but who actually knows.
Officially, they're eligible for ballot votes, as "debuting in a video game" was the only requirement. It's probably more likely that they have a better chance of the IP owner has worked with Nintendo before than a straight-out appearance. Cameos absolutely do count, though. If someone isn't getting in who simply has a minor cameo, they were simply just not on the table for some other reason we couldn't know about.Probably not honestly, but respectully i don't see how it's relevant anymore since he's in Smash already. I can't think of any character that would have the same "issue" as Sora that has a chance to get in anyways.
Something else i have to add:
We honestly also don't know if characters without a Nintendo apareance are elegible as everything in the smash series had at least apared once on a nintendo console, of course it could just be a concidence, but it makes characters from games like Genshin, Elden Ring or Metaphor in a weird area. despite their popularity.
I do think they're elegible, but who actually knows.
If you mean which characters would be seen as unlikely now in 2025 if they hadn't been included, there's ones like the two you mentioned, Terry, Kazuya, Piranha Plant, etc. who people just wouldn't really expect that much.Which Ultimate character would be considered unlikely in this thread if they were never added? An example is Sephiroth and Richter.
I personally think a major Nintendo appearance helps but it's not the true deciding factor of everything.Something else i have to add:
We honestly also don't know if characters without a Nintendo apareance are elegible as everything in the smash series had at least apared once on a nintendo console, of course it could just be a concidence, but it makes characters from games like Genshin, Elden Ring or Metaphor in a weird area. despite their popularity.
I do think they're elegible, but who actually knows.
Although Tekken is likely in general if it didn’t happen but I think most people probably would say Heihachi with the occasional Kazuya and Jin.If you mean which characters would be seen as unlikely now in 2025 if they hadn't been included, there's ones like the two you mentioned, Terry, Kazuya, Piranha Plant, etc. who people just wouldn't really expect that much.
Being fair, the main reason people are saying that is because of her moveset's design not being fun to fight against.Min-Min / ARMS character is hard to say. Half of the people here seem to think she’ll be cut next game anyway, so I can’t say with confidence that an ARMS character would be a popular subject anymore.
Them being considered similarly likely to Officer Howard makes sense, especially with both of them being huge question marks in this scenario with the prospective continuation of their series being pretty unknown.Being fair, the main reason people are saying that is because of her moveset's design not being fun to fight against.
In a reality where ARMS never got in, we would 100% be supporting the idea of Nintendo giving focus to a new IP.
If the Belmonts do? Ye. Otherwise likely not. Definitely not if all Konami characters are cut.Do you guys think the Death Scythe will return?
Also you think we'll get more 3rd party items?
I think it depends if Castlevania returns in Smash 6.Do you guys think the Death Scythe will return?
Also you think we'll get more 3rd party items?
Honestly, I do, because I feel like Castlevania will stick around next game. I'm a little iffier on Snake because of the weirdness surrounding his absence in Smash 4 that could be because of either party involved, but between Dracula being a boss, getting like 34 tracks with a lot of them being remixes, the fact they're the only 3rd party series to get an item (outside of the Special Flag of course, but Namco was also making the games that was in, so I feel like the Death's Scythe is a little more special), and that they're the only base game 3rd party newcomer in Ultimate (aside from Ken's weird Echo business)?Do you guys think the Death Scythe will return?
Also you think we'll get more 3rd party items?
That has nothing to do with Crash, one of those characters that's most likely have gotten Nintendo's attention too.So many heavy hitters are popping out, getting Nintendo's attention. People inside bubbles are not aware of that.
That's why I've seen false assumption all the time.
For Final Fantasy items i though of Materia begin items, for Fire, Thunder, Cura, Blizzard....A cute reference would be if characters that have weapons put their materia in their weapons.Phoenix Down as an idea for Final Fantasy. Similar to the Special Flag.
I feel like it makes sense for it to be a longer gap since the Switch is Nintendo's longest running console, having run now for 8 years when most of them just run for 5 or 6.It's kinda crazy, to be honest, how it's been like 7 years since Ultimate was revealed. I remember when it came out... I was still in high school, and now I've graduated from university. So much has happened since. Is this the longest between games the series has gone at this point? Either way, the wait for the next game just goes to show how long most games these days seem to take to make.
Are people expecting a reveal around the time the first batch of Switch 2 games are announced?
My prediction is 2026 since I think Mario Kart and the new 3D Mario will be the main focus for the Switch 2’s first year. Alongside Metroid Prime 4 as either backwards compatibility or duel release.It's kinda crazy, to be honest, how it's been like 7 years since Ultimate was revealed. I remember when it came out... I was still in high school, and now I've graduated from university. So much has happened since. Is this the longest between games the series has gone at this point? Either way, the wait for the next game just goes to show how long most games these days seem to take to make.
Are people expecting a reveal around the time the first batch of Switch 2 games are announced?
I do wonder what items Minecraft would get if it did come back for base game.I feel like if Minecraft is back for base game, it's the most primed to get items. There are like a dozen great options you could pick out there.
And maybe I could see Mega Man get one or two next time around? It seems to get preferential treatment in general, so I wouldn't be surprised to see an E-Tank pop up or anything like that. But idk if we need any more health restoring items.
I think the hardest category for Minecraft is additional original playable characters after Steve if that ever happens. Lot of them don’t have much moveset potential unless it takes inspiration from the spinoffs.I do wonder what items Minecraft would get if it did come back for base game.
I’m thinking the Ender Pearl would be a strong and obvious choice. Very recognisable, and we don’t have a teleportation item. Just throw it and you’ll teleport there.
A more recent addition to Minecraft like the Mace could also be neat.
I think Minecraft is also likely to get Assist Trophies. I’ve spoken before on how the Creeper and Warden would be good AT choices.
Yeah, for as big as Minecraft is, I really don't think it needs anyone playable other than Steve (and obviously the various alts). He's the character you can play as, he has a bunch of the tools (pickaxe, shovel, axe, sword), things like buckets, beds, lava blocks, an Elytra, the Crafting Table, etc.Personally, would rather Minecraft get (more) stages, assist trophies, and items before getting a second playable. Maybe a story mode / classic mode boss fight in the Ender Dragon or Wither? The options besides the player avatar just aren't that interesting to me, along with its inherent nature as a sandbox experience without much of a pre-set story with other real fleshed-out "characters" to begin with.
I was in my first year of Uni when the game came out. I went to pick it up first thing in the morning, had to run to my classes, and then played the game in the library.(On mute, of course). Good times.It's kinda crazy, to be honest, how it's been like 7 years since Ultimate was revealed. I remember when it came out... I was still in high school, and now I've graduated from university. So much has happened since. Is this the longest between games the series has gone at this point? Either way, the wait for the next game just goes to show how long most games these days seem to take to make.
Are people expecting a reveal around the time the first batch of Switch 2 games are announced?
A mushroom biome could be fun, especially with Mooshrooms. Though, wasn't there some legal trouble with Minecraft's music? The original composer left or something, so that does throw a bit of a spanner into the works.Yeah, for as big as Minecraft is, I really don't think it needs anyone playable other than Steve (and obviously the various alts). He's the character you can play as, he has a bunch of the tools (pickaxe, shovel, axe, sword), things like buckets, beds, lava blocks, an Elytra, the Crafting Table, etc.
That said, I also don't know if it really needs another stage either considering Minecraft World has so many biomes in it you can pick between (Plains, Birch Forest, Savanna, Taiga, Snowy Tundra, and Stony Shore). Honestly, you could probably just add biomes to that. There are definitely OPTIONS for new stages though, like the Nether or the End, so I can't ENTIRELY count out new Minecraft stages.
I feel like most of Minecraft's additional content would be Assist Trophies or items alongside collectibles, plus more music, since Minecraft currently only has 7 tracks.
While this is true, Minecraft does still receive occasional new music, like the Tricky Trials update from last year, which I wouldn't imagine would be an issue compared to the original C418 music, though we're not exactly sure what the licensing issue was. Would honestly love to get something like Creator, plus there's music from the console editions that isn't in Smash, like Double Time since there's currently no Tumble minigame music lolA mushroom biome could be fun, especially with Mooshrooms. Though, wasn't there some legal trouble with Minecraft's music? The original composer left or something, so that does throw a bit of a spanner into the works.