Official Next Smash - Speculation & Discussion Thread

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

You know, it feels really nice and kinda surreal that now that a new Rhythm Heaven has finally been announced after like a decade, so many people in here now are like "You know, Rhythm Heaven probably SHOULD get SOMETHING".

Man I hope Rhythm Heaven gets the full treatment. Character, stage, more music, the whole shebang, even if Groove's release window means it has to be DLC lol

 

[BrawlX10]

It is interesting to me that Sony does seem so willing to license their somewhat forgotten Japanese IP's to other companies for release on stuff like the Switch. I'm not saying Gravity Rush is coming to Switch 2, but the fact that's even a hypothetical possibility now tells you how strategies have shifted.

Life can turn into unexpected ways, if you told me before the direct that we'll see a Sony game on the direct, i would've laughed lol.
Same if you told me Fatal Fury would get a new game and Christiano Ronaldo would be playable in the base roster some years ago or if Terry Bogard would be anounced as DLC fighter featuring Sans from Undertale as a Mii Costume in "Smash 5" back in 2016.

 

[Thegameandwatch]

Now one thing about the Nintendo Today app, The franchises that it lists as not only themes but things that it tracks, are once again reinforcing the list of the "important" franchises.

-Mario
-Zelda
-Animal Crossing
-Splatoon
-Pikmin

These are the ones with themes, the rest are options for your interests

-Kirby
-Fire Emblem
-Metroid
-Xenoblade Chronicles
-WarioWare
-Donkey Kong
-"Classics"

The only thing that is prominently featured on the app that don't have a theme or interest is Pokemon.

The themes chosen are presumably for series that are directly developed by Nintendo in-house outside of acquired ones or at least co-developed more recently.

Outside of Pokemon, Yoshi is probably the only one few that is missing from both categories that had games on Switch.

It’s probably the same reason why Luigi’s Mansion isn’t listed since it’s more closer to Mario compared to WarioWare and to a lesser extent DK (outside of arcade and Mario vs DK).

 

[BrawlX10]

Is there any other notable Nintendo franchises left that both don’t have a character and the characters has moveset potential?

Ring Fit, Astral Chain, Golden Sun, Rhythm Heaven, Advance Wars, Fanicom Detective Club and BOXBOY!, those are the main ones, i think.

 

[SharkLord]

Okay so, aside from the Gematsu leak implying Chorus Kids, who are the most prominent Rhythm Heaven characters? I know of the aforementioned Chorus Kids, Karate Joe, Yuka (Who I think is also the Tap Trial Girl?), and Barista, plus the memetic "wubadubaduba" reporter and wrestler, but I have very little knowledge on what Rhythm Heaven is like beyond "rhythm game", and as such I don't know anything about the characters beyond their names and appearances.

What do all these guys do, and how are they important to the series? What's going for them in the context of Smash?

Direct day, It had Rhythm Heaven and Tomodachi Life

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

In terms of Smash:

Rhythm Heaven is one of those franchises that I think needs Something, be that a stage or a character, It has gone on for far too long to still have nothing aside from a few tracks and collectibles

I love the Tomodachi Life stage in Smash and I am just happy that it has a chance of staying if they cull stages.


Now one thing about the Nintendo Today app, The franchises that it lists as not only themes but things that it tracks, are once again reinforcing the list of the "important" franchises.

-Mario
-Zelda
-Animal Crossing
-Splatoon
-Pikmin

These are the ones with themes, the rest are options for your interests

-Kirby
-Fire Emblem
-Metroid
-Xenoblade Chronicles
-WarioWare
-Donkey Kong
-"Classics"

The only thing that is prominently featured on the app that don't have a theme or interest is Pokemon.

Yup, that seems about right. When I was in Japan a couple years ago, I checked out the Nintendo store in Kyoto, and those were the series represented (Aside from WarioWare, Fire Emblem, and maaaybe Xenoblade, but I don't quite remember). These are the series that still get regular releases and have games that crack a million copies on the Switch. The one sorta-exception is Donkey Kong, who's regularly featured in things but hasn't seen any major new releases in a while. Pokemon wasn't at the store either, most likely because it has it's own dedicated store

 

[PeridotGX]

It's finally their time after missing the boat.

The year is 2014. There is a leak with Chorus Kids, but the leak proves to be false.

The year is 2018. There is a leak with Chorus Kids, but the leak proves to be false.

The year is 2026.

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

Something that's worth noting on the listing of series on the Nintendo Today app is that all franchises in the above five are ones developed more or less in house while the lower six now have their own developers/co-developers like Intelligent Systems, Mercury Steam, Monolith, HAL Labs, Retro, etc

I don't what that means for DK given they haven't had a game in 11 years so maybe they're going off the most recent new entry, but it is interesting.

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

Okay so, aside from the Gematsu leak implying Chorus Kids, who are the most prominent Rhythm Heaven characters? I know of the aforementioned Chorus Kids, Karate Joe, Yuka (Who I think is also the Tap Trial Girl?), and Barista, plus the memetic "wubadubaduba" reporter and wrestler, but I have very little knowledge on what Rhythm Heaven is like beyond "rhythm game", and as such I don't know anything about the characters beyond their names and appearances.

What do all these guys do, and how are they important to the series? What's going for them in the context of Smash?

I've always personally felt like Rhythm Heaven would be served best by some kind of ensemble moveset, and I don't feel like Karate Joe or Wandering Samurai are very interesting candidates for something like that, especially Wandering Samurai. Karate Joe is a little better for that, but generally I'd rather have a smaller goofier character to really sell the general light-hearted/whimsical/weird tone of the series, which is why I used to campaign hard for Tibby since he was a small goofy looking afro dog thing from Heaven World that was the focus of Megamix's story and helps you help everyone, which is done by playing rhythm games, so he technically has experience with most of them since Megamix is the compilation game.

Basically, since the minigames are new every game, there's only a small number of characters who stick around game to game, like Karate Joe and Wandering Samurai (I believe Yuka also falls into this camp?).

Nowadays I just kinda want someone small and goofy looking using an ensemble moveset, whether it has timed hits or not lol

 

[ninjahmos]

If we get a Rhythm Heaven character, I'd also love to hear remixes of Tap Trial, The Clappy Trio, Glee Club, Fan Club, Air Rally and Tap Troupe.

 

[SharkLord]

I've always personally felt like Rhythm Heaven would be served best by some kind of ensemble moveset, and I don't feel like Karate Joe or Wandering Samurai are very interesting candidates for something like that, especially Wandering Samurai. Karate Joe is a little better for that, but generally I'd rather have a smaller goofier character to really sell the general light-hearted/whimsical/weird tone of the series, which is why I used to campaign hard for Tibby since he was a small goofy looking afro dog thing from Heaven World that was the focus of Megamix's story and helps you help everyone, which is done by playing rhythm games, so he technically has experience with most of them since Megamix is the compilation game.

Basically, since the minigames are new every game, there's only a small number of characters who stick around game to game, like Karate Joe and Wandering Samurai (I believe Yuka also falls into this camp?).

Nowadays I just kinda want someone small and goofy looking using an ensemble moveset, whether it has timed hits or not lol

Reading about it, the Chorus Kids are only in two games, Tibby's the main character of Megamix, and the Wandering Samurai, Karate Joe, and Yuka are indeed in every game. I think Yuka's also put on the cover of a couple games, and either way she seems like the most distinctly "Rhythm Heaven"-y of the recurring characters to me (Though I have little knowledge of the series, so I'm not one to say). I think Barista is also a recurring character, but not necessarily a mascot.

Also, I think I saw Yuka in the Groove trailer? I'll have to rewatch to confirm, but the whole time I was going "Is this Rhythm Heaven? I don't know enough to say, but this lines up with what little I've seen," and when I saw a girl that looked like her I was at least able to recognize her and go "oh okay so this is Rhythm Heaven." Unless I was mistaken, which is very likely given my lack of knowledge.

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

Reading about it, the Chorus Kids are only in two games, Tibby's the main character of Megamix, and the Wandering Samurai, Karate Joe, and Yuka are indeed in every game. I think Yuka's also put on the cover of a couple games, and either way she seems like the most distinctly "Rhythm Heaven"-y of the recurring characters to me (Though I have little knowledge of the series, so I'm not one to say). I think Barista is also a recurring character, but not necessarily a mascot.

Also, I think I saw Yuka in the Groove trailer? I'll have to rewatch to confirm, but the whole time I was going "Is this Rhythm Heaven? I don't know enough to say, but this lines up with what little I've seen," and when I saw a girl that looked like her I was at least able to recognize her and go "oh okay so this is Rhythm Heaven." Unless I was mistaken, which is very likely given my lack of knowledge.

I don't think any of the characters in the trailer (like the character introducing it, the cooking minigame, or the jump rope minigame) were Yuka, but she could still be somewhere. She's had pretty varied looks throughout the series lol

Funny thing is I knew it was Rhythm Heaven right off the bat because the sound effect for advancing the opening text was the same as it is in like every game, I think lmao

I do think out of the recurring characters, Yuka would probably be the best fit. I don't think Wandering Samurai really fits the overall vibe of the series, and Karate Joe's a little better, but since he's a trained fighter I feel like he'd do less of the ensemble moveset stuff.

 

[TheLamerGamer]

Figured I'd look to see who is in Ultimate as a Spirit as a baseline for who they would consider (I know nothing about RH so I will be simply listing all the names) (Also I am Scottish and as such it is called "Rhythm Paradise" here, so other name changes may have occurred?):

1. Karate Joe
2. The Wandering Samurai (+ Wandering Samurai (Beat the Beat))
3. Sick Beats Doctor
4. The Chorus Kids
5. Munchy Monk
6. Reporter & Wrestler
7. Baxter & Forthington
8. Sumo Brothers

The highest ranked spirits are Karate Joe, the evolved Wandering Samurai and the Chorus Kids. Not sure how much that means in the long run but worth mentioning, seeing as Min-Min was joint with Spring Man as the highest ranked Arms spirit, and Pyra and Mythra are both Legend class spirits.

 

[CapitaineCrash]

You know, it feels really nice and kinda surreal that now that a new Rhythm Heaven has finally been announced after like a decade, so many people in here now are like "You know, Rhythm Heaven probably SHOULD get SOMETHING".

Man I hope Rhythm Heaven gets the full treatment. Character, stage, more music, the whole shebang, even if Groove's release window means it has to be DLC lol

Yeah it's definitely super cool to see as a huge fan of the franchise. I think it's because there's much less competition this time around for new first party franchise, so I think the franchise is going to get a bit more support this time. I still think support is going to be a bit on the niche side outside of Smashboards bubble, because a lot of more "casual" smash fans will rally behind character with more "obvious" moveset potential. I think this is why Isaac from Golden sun got so much support despite being more niche, it's just way more easy to imagine a moveset for the dude who fight monsters with elemental powers compare to the funny 2d sprite that does quirky music minigames. This was a big problem with Smash 4 discussion is that many people didn't get how a Rhythm heaven character could work so it was hard to gather support. Also even in the Rhythm heaven community, the support was really fragmented between multiple characters.

Still, it's very cool to finally see some positivity around the franchise. I'm also very hopeful this new game will sell well because Switch seems to have a magical power on almost every Nintendo franchise and a lot of game end up the best selling game in their respective franchise. It just need decent marketing this time around.

 

[Kirby Dragons]

Is there any other notable Nintendo franchises left that both don’t have a character and the characters has moveset potential?

Depending on how you define "notable", there's dozens.

 

[Sid-cada]

Reading about it, the Chorus Kids are only in two games, Tibby's the main character of Megamix, and the Wandering Samurai, Karate Joe, and Yuka are indeed in every game. I think Yuka's also put on the cover of a couple games, and either way she seems like the most distinctly "Rhythm Heaven"-y of the recurring characters to me (Though I have little knowledge of the series, so I'm not one to say). I think Barista is also a recurring character, but not necessarily a mascot.

Also, I think I saw Yuka in the Groove trailer? I'll have to rewatch to confirm, but the whole time I was going "Is this Rhythm Heaven? I don't know enough to say, but this lines up with what little I've seen," and when I saw a girl that looked like her I was at least able to recognize her and go "oh okay so this is Rhythm Heaven." Unless I was mistaken, which is very likely given my lack of knowledge.

Yuka, to my eyes, isn't in Groove as of yet. While she can vary wildly in appearance, she can typically be identified by a perfectly spherical head with circular dots for eyes, and pure white skin tone.

Some of her various looks:

I don't see her in there - the chef has a completly different art style, while the jump-roper has too many details compared to how simplified Yuka is.

I think you managed to get most of the notable Rhythm heaven characters, though we probably want to cover our bases and include the assorted Monkeys, who are arguably the most reoccurring characters in the game.


I personally lean towards Karate Joe, and tend to shy away from the more "Chibi" style characters. The most memorable things about Rhythm Heaven is the actions you do to a cue, and not necessarily the things you do them with. I figure that a character would mostly use actions from the series rather than rely on props.

To get what I mean, look at an easy example of something they should probably do: a taunt based on Ringside.

While any character could flex and pose like the Wrestler, any of the more Chibi characters would loose a lot of the motion if shrunk into their proportions. The limbs are so small that you probably won't notice what they are trying to do at Smash's typical scale. Someone more normally proportined would be better able to emulate the poses any character did in Rhythm Heaven.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

The only other real newish candidate I can think of is Ring Fit, which I do think is very likely.

Mostly off the top of my head, the new franchises of the Switch era are ARMS, Ring Fit Adventure, Astral Chain, Fitness Boxing, 1-2 Switch!, Game Builder Garage, and Nintendo LABO.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

Still wild to me that Rhythm Heaven was RIGHT THERE I mean they were THIS CLOSE to getting a character in Smash but missed the boat cause of technical difficulties. They might be the only characters to ever have that happen because with the increase in technology I doubt it happens again.

 

[GoldenYuiitusin]

Still wild to me that Rhythm Heaven was RIGHT THERE I mean they were THIS CLOSE to getting a character in Smash but missed the boat cause of technical difficulties. They might be the only characters to ever have that happen because with the increase in technology I doubt it happens again.

Rex and Dixie Kong.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Still wild to me that Rhythm Heaven was RIGHT THERE I mean they were THIS CLOSE to getting a character in Smash but missed the boat cause of technical difficulties. They might be the only characters to ever have that happen because with the increase in technology I doubt it happens again.

To be fair, did we ever get an actual explanation for why we didn't get a RH character? I don't remember any interviews about the character. I know Rex and Dixie just got mentioned, but they did get an interview and/or acknowledgement, so. We don't even know who the character would've been(Chorus Kids is a fair guess due to Gematsu's massive accuracy, but still).

 

[Folezicle Lives!]

Yuka, to my eyes, isn't in Groove as of yet. While she can vary wildly in appearance, she can typically be identified by a perfectly spherical head with circular dots for eyes, and pure white skin tone.

Some of her various looks:
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I don't see her in there - the chef has a completly different art style, while the jump-roper has too many details compared to how simplified Yuka is.

I think you managed to get most of the notable Rhythm heaven characters, though we probably want to cover our bases and include the assorted Monkeys, who are arguably the most reoccurring characters in the game.


I personally lean towards Karate Joe, and tend to shy away from the more "Chibi" style characters. The most memorable things about Rhythm Heaven is the actions you do to a cue, and not necessarily the things you do them with. I figure that a character would mostly use actions from the series rather than rely on props.

To get what I mean, look at an easy example of something they should probably do: a taunt based on Ringside.

While any character could flex and pose like the Wrestler, any of the more Chibi characters would loose a lot of the motion if shrunk into their proportions. The limbs are so small that you probably won't notice what they are trying to do at Smash's typical scale. Someone more normally proportined would be better able to emulate the poses any character did in Rhythm Heaven.

This got me thinking. I hope we see a 3D model ofba rhythm heaven rep. Especially Yuka

 

[GoldenYuiitusin]

To be fair, did we ever get an actual explanation for why we didn't get a RH character? I don't remember any interviews about the character. I know Rex and Dixie just got mentioned, but they did get an interview and/or acknowledgement, so. We don't even know who the character would've been(Chorus Kids is a fair guess due to Gematsu's massive accuracy, but still).

Just like the identity of "pra_mai" or the acknowledgement of Toon Zelda/Sheik, we will NEVER get a direct confirmation because it's something we as the fanbase aren't supposed to be privy to.

All we can go by is Occam's Razor with the Gematsu Leak and Sakurai's comments about characters like the Ice Climbers giving trouble on the 3DS pre-release.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

To be fair, did we ever get an actual explanation for why we didn't get a RH character? I don't remember any interviews about the character. I know Rex and Dixie just got mentioned, but they did get an interview and/or acknowledgement, so. We don't even know who the character would've been(Chorus Kids is a fair guess due to Gematsu's massive accuracy, but still).

To my knowledge they've never been acknowledged.

There are no Chorus Kids in Ba Sing Se.

 

[Greenhorne Ethan]

It is interesting to me that Sony does seem so willing to license their somewhat forgotten Japanese IP's to other companies for release on stuff like the Switch. I'm not saying Gravity Rush is coming to Switch 2, but the fact that's even a hypothetical possibility now tells you how strategies have shifted.

I'm starting to wonder if Sony representation in Smash should be considered if this keeps up.

If I could have any character I wanted as a fighter, it would be Toro, but I think there would need to be a Doko Demo Issyo game on Nintendo first. (Which I wouldn't rule out because series developer BeXide isn't owned by Sony and has released some games on Switch)

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

Rex and Dixie Kong.

Were they removed cause of technical difficulties? I thought they were scrapped for time?

 

[Perkilator]

Were they removed cause of technical difficulties? I thought they were scrapped for time?

In Rex’s case, at least, it was absolutely because of technical difficulties. Sakurai said as much in the Pyra/Mythra presentation.

 

[GoldenYuiitusin]

Were they removed cause of technical difficulties? I thought they were scrapped for time?

Dixie was originally going to be partnered with Diddy in Brawl ala DKC2. This couldn't work so she was scrapped and Diddy went solo.

Before we got Pyra/Mythra, the plan was Rex and Pyra as a duo. When this wouldn't work, it changed to Rex on the battlefield and Pyra in the background. When that wouldn't work, Rex was scrapped altogether and Pyra was the fighter with Mythra to swap with.

 

[TheLamerGamer]

Mostly off the top of my head, the new franchises of the Switch era are ARMS, Ring Fit Adventure, Astral Chain, Fitness Boxing, 1-2 Switch!, Game Builder Garage, and Nintendo LABO.

Oh yeah I did just completely forget Astral Chain, thanks! - Out of those though the only ones I can see getting a character are Astral Chain and, at a push, Fitness Boxing however.

 

[GoldenYuiitusin]

Mostly off the top of my head, the new franchises of the Switch era are ARMS, Ring Fit Adventure, Astral Chain, Fitness Boxing, 1-2 Switch!, Game Builder Garage, and Nintendo LABO.

Fitness Boxing is third party. Nintendo only published it outside Japan.

 

[Louie G.]

Some quick thoughts on a hypothetical Rhythm Heaven character...

The conversation often comes up about which characters appear most frequently in the series. I don't think this is the right way to choose a Rhythm Heaven character and, evidently, Sakurai doesn't either. If we were gonna get Chorus Kids, it was because that idea was unique and compelling in its own right and not simply because they're the face of the series. Who is the face of RH is a loaded, difficult question... it's why we haven't landed on one catch-all choice for a "rep" in Smash. Nobody stands high and mighty above everyone else as the defacto mascot, main character or however else you'd like to judge this sort of thing.

I stand by the fact that Chorus Kids are an ingenious choice. Many if not most Rhythm Heaven games involve teams of characters, and a Rhythm Heaven character would probably have some kind of timed input mechanic, so there you go. A trio of characters who need to perform actions in unison, or in sequence, they'd emphasize this as clearly as possible. Thematically, RH is all about music. So here are three characters who perform music. They're also representative of a recurring 'race' of characters within the series, one shared by Play-Yan and Marshall. And being relative blank slates, they wouldn't look out of place pulling out everything and the kitchen sink. On a surface level they appear to be a weird choice, but surveying closer it really all makes sense.

So do I think they'll make it this time? Simply put... no. For starters, I'm not sure how much this amplifies the odds of a new Rhythm Heaven character to begin with. If this is releasing in 2026, and appears to be in relatively early development, it hinges greatly on when Sakurai began crafting the roster and if there was any word of this game internally at the time. Not that he couldn't have landed on a RH character without it, but I think the improved series relevance would substantially benefit its case. If this DID land within bounds, I think we'd finally get something. As is we'll have to see.

If we get a character at all, I still don't think they would be Chorus Kids (as things stand). Even though they remain my most wanted choice, it feels as if that ship has sailed. Frankly, back during Smash 4 we had already gotten RH Fever without the Kids in tow. So perhaps this sort of thing doesn't matter that much anymore, but Rhythm Heaven DS / Gold was maybe 3-4 years old when the Smash 4 roster was being decided and is about... 17-18 now. That's a big difference and I'm not sure the Chorus Kids would be at the very front of this conversation anymore, at least the way they would have been as the mascots of a game still freshly in mind. Then... who WOULD it be? I have no idea! I really, truly have no idea.

Karate Joe? I think he's kind of the greatest fallacy involved with this thirst for a 'main character' figure. Yes, Karate Joe always has a role in a new RH game. That's a privilege only shared by a number of other characters, notably some variation of Yuka / the Rhythm girl and the Barista. And I suppose the Monkeys? Out of these choices I find Joe the least compelling by far. I like him as a character, but not as a 'representative'. In this world of colorful wacky roles and scenarios I think a martial artist is a pretty uninspired way to show what the series has to offer. And I would find it a bit jarring to see him as a 'prop' character, unless he is something of a summoner or incorporates a Chorus Kid / Monkey partner on his shoulder as some concepts suggest. But on his own, I don't think he's a good choice. The other two? IMO, good choices, but I wonder if they lack a certain core identity or x-factor that was possessed by a concept like Chorus Kids. And would they want to revisit the team mechanic?

Bottom line, I am still not getting my hopes too high for Rhythm Heaven on the (base?) roster, but I hope the fact that the series is not dead and buried is enough to continue to keep it on the radar, to let it be more of a frequent discussion here, and maybe to see some more sufficient nonplayable content like an Assist Trophy, new songs or even a stage. In the meantime I'll continue to meditate on what character I think is appropriate for RH in the current day, putting my bias for the tried and true Chorus Kids aside. One thing is certain though, things look much better for Rhythm Heaven right now than they have in about a decade. So I'll bask in that for a little while.

 

[Thegameandwatch]

Dixie was originally going to be partnered with Diddy in Brawl ala DKC2. This couldn't work so she was scrapped and Diddy went solo.

Before we got Pyra/Mythra, the plan was Rex and Pyra as a duo. When this wouldn't work, it changed to Rex on the battlefield and Pyra in the background. When that wouldn't work, Rex was scrapped altogether and Pyra was the fighter with Mythra to swap with.

In comparison, the reason why the Ice Climbers worked outside of the 3DS is because their models were much simpler and the individual Climbers being mostly identical.

My guess is that Rex and Pyra functioned fine on 1-4 players but struggled on 5-8 players on screen.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

If we get a character at all, I still don't think they would be Chorus Kids (as things stand). Even though they remain my most wanted choice, it feels as if that ship has sailed. Frankly, back during Smash 4 we had already gotten RH Fever without the Kids in tow. So perhaps this sort of thing doesn't matter that much anymore, but Rhythm Heaven DS / Gold was maybe 3-4 years old when the Smash 4 roster was being decided and is about... 17-18 now. That's a big difference and I'm not sure the Chorus Kids would be at the very front of this conversation anymore, at least the way they would have been as the mascots of a game still freshly in mind. Then... who WOULD it be? I have no idea! I really, truly have no idea.

I'm not entirely sure what your point is here, but the Chorus Kids were in Rhythm Heaven Megamix, so they haven't been absent as long as you imply.

EDIT: I mean as in I dunno if this point is relevant to your argument.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Just like the identity of "pra_mai" or the acknowledgement of Toon Zelda/Sheik, we will NEVER get a direct confirmation because it's something we as the fanbase aren't supposed to be privy to.

All we can go by is Occam's Razor with the Gematsu Leak and Sakurai's comments about characters like the Ice Climbers giving trouble on the 3DS pre-release.

If not that, it's possible that making the rhythm mechanic work was a very difficult balancing task. It could even be both. If we ever get a RH character, we may get light shined on it, at least.

But yeah, tis too bad. The character could've been quite interesting.

 

[DarthEnderX]

Would you want Samus in the next Smash Bros. with the Dread look or the Prime 4 look?

Dread. Dread also has a more Smash-friendly moveset.

You know, it feels really nice and kinda surreal that now that a new Rhythm Heaven has finally been announced after like a decade, so many people in here now are like "You know, Rhythm Heaven probably SHOULD get SOMETHING".

That's just the usual Smash community recency bias.

Depending on how you define "notable", there's dozens.

Or none.

 

[Louie G.]

I'm not entirely sure what your point is here, but the Chorus Kids were in Rhythm Heaven Megamix, so they haven't been absent as long as you imply.

EDIT: I mean as in I dunno if this point is relevant to your argument.

Well I mean, Megamix was also a long time ago by now. My perspective is kind of being rebooted as we speak, to account for the fact that the series has a future beyond a decade of dormancy to base this judgement around.

When Megamix was the most recent game, it made some sense to consider legacy content like Glee Club as relevant as it ever was. But if we're operating on the idea that this next game would be the reason RH could be back on the map to receive a new character, then I'm letting go a bit in order to try and judge based on where we are NOW in this very moment. Which is something we probably won't know the answer to until... well, whenever we get the next trailer?

Hopefully that clarifies things a bit. If I'm wrong, it'd be the sweetest crow I've ever had. But when Chorus Kids were considered back in 2011-2012, their game was still relatively new and released between Brawl and Smash 4. It's hard to gauge how much of this decision was influenced by what was specifically current at the time, which is a guiding principle for many a Smash character after all. I'm not sure Chorus Kids continue to stand tall as THE pick for the series in this unanimous way that makes this lapse of 10+ years negotiable. We'll just have to see if the next game in their series has a place for them.

That's just the usual Smash community recency bias.

Not saying this isn't a factor, but "Rhythm Heaven should at least have a stage" has been a common sentiment for like a decade.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

I just want to see every cut newcomer in the Smash series eventually be revisited in some form.

Except Toon Sheik. I'd rather Tetra join the roster instead.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Well I mean, Megamix was also a long time ago by now. My perspective is kind of being rebooted as we speak, to account for the fact that the series has a future beyond a decade of dormancy to base this judgement around.

When Megamix was the most recent game, it made some sense to consider legacy content like Glee Club as relevant as it ever was. But if we're operating on the idea that this next game would be the reason RH could be back on the map to receive a new character, then I'm letting go a bit in order to try and judge based on where we are NOW in this very moment. Which is something we probably won't know the answer to until... well, whenever we get the next trailer?

Hopefully that clarifies things a bit. If I'm wrong, it'd be the sweetest crow I've ever had. But when Chorus Kids were considered back in 2011-2012, their game was still relatively new and released between Brawl and Smash 4. It's hard to gauge how much of this decision was influenced by what was specifically current at the time, which is a guiding principle for many a Smash character after all. I'm not sure Chorus Kids continue to stand tall as THE pick for the series in this unanimous way that makes this lapse of 10+ years negotiable. We'll just have to see if the next game in their series has a place for them.

So essentially we need to see what's going on in Rhythm Heaven Groove? Makes sense. Realistically we'll have to see how well it does for it to be considered anyway.

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

Not saying this isn't a factor, but "Rhythm Heaven should at least have a stage" has been a common sentiment for like a decade.

I almost wonder if I should be hoping it DOESN'T get a stage if the possibility of Rhythm Heaven DLC is possible with Groove's release lol

Not an end all be all obviously since Corrin didn't come with a stage in 4, but I would assume DLC would moreso resemble Ultimate's packs with a character, a stage, music, Spirits (or whatever collectible we get), etc, at least for newcomers. and I don't know how the logistics of Rhythm Heaven having two stages would stack up lmao

EDIT: Mainly what I mean to say is right now obviously I'll hope for everything in base game, but if a Rhythm Heaven character doesn't happen in base game, I feel like maybe I should hope it doesn't have a stage in case DLC newcomers operate more like Ultimate's packs lol

 

[RealLuigisWearPink]

Bring my boy karate joe to smash, it’s finally time

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

I'm kinda curious now. What are the notable 1st party franchises that don't have a character? I know the NES pretty much just has Excite and Balloon Fight left. There are the Sports series, as well as Kung Fu, Mach Rider, Clu Clu Land, and Urban Champion, but they're much less iconic. Mach Rider and Bubbles might could get some sort of Kid Icarus or Duck Hunt style glow ups and present something interesting to the roster, but they don't really have much on merit.

I also mentioned that the Switch has Ring Fit Adventure, Astral Chain, 1-2 Switch!, Game Builder Garage, and Nintendo LABO (also Fitness Boxing, but I was incorrect on them being 1st party). Of those, I think all of them are fair game, though other than Astral Chain and Ring Fit Adventure, these series would be taking the surprise character slot. I keep wanting to say that 1-2 Switch! getting a character is likely because the first game was a tie in and the sequel doesn't make the best selling list...but for some reason it's not a tie-in game. It just sold like hot cakes despite looking like a tech demo. The wonders of marketing and a small launch title base I guess?

For the other consoles I'm not too sure though. I think Golden Sun, Rhythm Heaven, and Legendary Starfy debuted on the GBA, but don't quote me on that, and whenever Game Boy games get a mention, Mole Mania tends to pop up due to it's interesting puzzle mechanics.


I guess this is mainly me being curious on what new 1st party series we could see getting a character if they decide to not only add NES and currently relevant franchises for their characters.

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

I'm kinda curious now. What are the notable 1st party franchises that don't have a character? I know the NES pretty much just has Excite and Balloon Fight left. There are the Sports series, as well as Kung Fu, Mach Rider, Clu Clu Land, and Urban Champion, but they're much less iconic. Mach Rider and Bubbles might could get some sort of Kid Icarus or Duck Hunt style glow ups and present something interesting to the roster, but they don't really have much on merit.

I also mentioned that the Switch has Ring Fit Adventure, Astral Chain, 1-2 Switch!, Game Builder Garage, and Nintendo LABO (also Fitness Boxing, but I was incorrect on them being 1st party). Of those, I think all of them are fair game, though other than Astral Chain and Ring Fit Adventure, these series would be taking the surprise character slot. I keep wanting to say that 1-2 Switch! getting a character is likely because the first game was a tie in and the sequel doesn't make the best selling list...but for some reason it's not a tie-in game. It just sold like hot cakes despite looking like a tech demo. The wonders of marketing and a small launch title base I guess?

For the other consoles I'm not too sure though. I think Golden Sun, Rhythm Heaven, and Legendary Starfy debuted on the GBA, but don't quote me on that, and whenever Game Boy games get a mention, Mole Mania tends to pop up due to it's interesting puzzle mechanics.


I guess this is mainly me being curious on what new 1st party series we could see getting a character if they decide to not only add NES and currently relevant franchises for their characters.

I mean I think that very much depends on your definition of notable in this instance.

Are we just talking like franchises that have more than one entry, or more than that?