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Official Next Smash - Speculation & Discussion Thread

Undella2

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So people, if I enjoyed all the Xenoblade games so far (started playing on the Switch, original first, then 2 then 3), will I also automatically enjoy playing X? Sort of on a budget, and thinking of getting this game somewhere next month or not.
Xenoblade X focuses a lot more on open-world exploration and great sidequests (of which many feed into one another and have overarching plots) while having a weaker main storyline. Some people who love the main series have a distaste for X and vice versa. On the other hand, there are plenty who like both X and the main series.

Take that as you will.
 

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So people, if I enjoyed all the Xenoblade games so far (started playing on the Switch, original first, then 2 then 3), will I also automatically enjoy playing X? Sort of on a budget, and thinking of getting this game somewhere next month or not.
Combat wise? Probably, it's very similar. Otherwise...The main thing that sets this game apart from the others is its exploration, and how it handles the idea of having high level enemies everywhere. Xenoblade Chronicles normally flirts with the idea, and it can be easy to find yourself in a place where everything can kill you with a thought. In Xenoblade Chronicles X, this is the entire game, so exploration often involves seeing how much you can cheeze your redonculously high jump to get around high level enemies. Pro tip: Hearing based detection doesn't work like it does in the mainline series, so hearing based enemies will attack you no matter how slow you're moving if you get too close. All in all, this is both a pro and a con depending on how you look at it.

The combat is very fun, and Soul Voices make it pretty dynamic. One thing that should be noted is that Overdrive is extremely powerful, and there are ways to engage it infinitely. I only figured out how to do it at the end of the game, but if you master it, you might not have to sneak your way through the entire game like I did. It doesn't make you invincible, but it is powerful enough that I couldn't beat the final boss without it, and was able to win pretty handily with it on the run that I didn't drop the streak.

The main story isn't as great as in the other games, and the game's structure can kind of kill the pacing near the end since you have to meet level requirements in order to pick up the next mission after you finish the one you're on. The Afinity Missions do have pretty good stories though, and it's great seeing the characters learn and grow.

A couple issues that I had with the game are that Elma and Lin are required for all story missions, so using anyone else is ill advised due to the fact that they'd fall behind in levels if you did. This means instead of swapping out your entire team whenever, you're likely only going to be swapping out one party member, or grinding a bit to get Elma and Lin back on track. Since she's the early game healer party member, I tended to have Irina most of the time. There is an Afinity Mission called Hope Springs Eternal that appears early on in the game, and wants you to go to Caldros. Don't pick it up until you've been. Maybe I'm just dumb, but I'm pretty sure the only way you can get there is by swimming around the land bridge, Sylvalum, and Caldros to go in the back way and hopefully dodging every enemy on the way to the camp at the front of the continent. There's no way you're getting through Sylvalum at that level, and Afinity Missions cannot be dropped once picked up, so you have to complete it if you want to continue the main story if you pick it up.

Also, Tatsu's running gag of looking like food is aggressively unfunny (except for that one time where it's actually pretty darn funny).
 

BackseatSakurai

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Honestly i think post-Ultimate is very diferent than pre-Smash 4 DLC days.
If you requested a LoL character back in 2014 you would've not been taken seriously.
In a sane world, you still wouldn't be. Sadly, the game turning into something lacking any curatorial vision, discretion, or identity will be very good for selling copies, so it will probably happen.
 

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A couple issues that I had with the game are that Elma and Lin are required for all story missions, so using anyone else is ill advised due to the fact that they'd fall behind in levels if you did. This means instead of swapping out your entire team whenever, you're likely only going to be swapping out one party member, or grinding a bit to get Elma and Lin back on track. Since she's the early game healer party member, I tended to have Irina most of the time. There is an Afinity Mission called Hope Springs Eternal that appears early on in the game, and wants you to go to Caldros. Don't pick it up until you've been. Maybe I'm just dumb, but I'm pretty sure the only way you can get there is by swimming around the land bridge, Sylvalum, and Caldros to go in the back way and hopefully dodging every enemy on the way to the camp at the front of the continent. There's no way you're getting through Sylvalum at that level, and Afinity Missions cannot be dropped once picked up, so you have to complete it if you want to continue the main story if you pick it up.
This is actually fixed in the Switch version, because everyone win xp, not just the one active in your party, so you can take more liberty with trying different teams without being punished.
 

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Alright I know Silksong didn't show up in the previous direct, but the upcoming Switch 2 direct? Yeah I'm feeling it in my bones. :bowsette:
 

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This topic is controversial, but which character(s) seem too late to join the base game of the next smash bros? It is difficult to tell, but what are your guesses?
Assuming that Sakurai’s 2021 project is different from SSB, I think planning or development probably started in 2023 or 2024, so I’ll say that anything after early 2024 would be ineligible here.
 

BuckleyTim

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What characters do you feel are overlooked? (Either for base game or DLC)

It's kinda hard to say if you mean in the context of this thread, since I feel like we've brought up pretty much every character in the gaming sphere at least once...

Maybe something from Genshin Impact? Mihoyo's dominated mobile gaming for the past decade, it would help Nintendo get more notoriety in the Chinese market by doing an official collab... It never made it to switch1, but was always meant to; I think that's just because they don't want to downgrade the game to fit on the switch's pre-2017 hardware, though. Wouldn't be surprised if we see Mihoyo show up as mentioned partners when they start talking about SW2's third party support.
 

BrawlX10

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It's kinda hard to say if you mean in the context of this thread, since I feel like we've brought up pretty much every character in the gaming sphere at least once...

Maybe something from Genshin Impact? Mihoyo's dominated mobile gaming for the past decade, it would help Nintendo get more notoriety in the Chinese market by doing an official collab... It never made it to switch1, but was always meant to; I think that's just because they don't want to downgrade the game to fit on the switch's pre-2017 hardware, though. Wouldn't be surprised if we see Mihoyo show up as mentioned partners when they start talking about SW2's third party support.
I wonder how the smash fanbase would react to a genhin rep.
 

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I’m seriously hoping that Nintendo Today becomes the next Brawl Dojo once the next Smash game is announced.
Almost certainly the new game will have its own website like all the others. But it's highly likely that any news or updates will be reposted onto Nintendo Today as well. I mean, it's kind of a slam dunk to put it on the literal daily news app. Basically, I think it'll be both.
 

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I don't really know what to make of something like Genshin yet - it's certainly a big deal now, but what motive would Nintendo have to pursue that right now? Genshin isn't on Nintendo consoles, and that connection doesn't exist with HoYo the way it does for companies who have or theoretically could overcome that hurdle through extensive relations with Nintendo externally (Cloud, Joker, Master Chief, whatever).

I think there's decent odds that it ends up on Switch 2 though, so... maybe we can address that when we get there, if Nintendo starts putting some strong emphasis on it. For now it feels a little like reaching for the next big thing on principle of it being a big thing and not because it makes any sense past that. As for how people would react to it, probably quite annoyingly.
 

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Probably get very weird about it.

That being said I think Genshin is honestly being oversold as an option.
We probably do alot because of characters like Sora, Steve, Banjo-Kazooie, Sephiroth, and how Sakurai has talked about characters who were notably requested like Sans, Dante, Shantae and Dragonborn.

But I do think that a Mobile or F2P game, like League of Legends or Genshin Impact, is a bigger possibility than most people think or want to believe. Will it happen though is another question.
 
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I don't really know what to make of something like Genshin yet - it's certainly a big deal now, but what motive would Nintendo have to pursue that right now? Genshin isn't on Nintendo consoles, and that connection doesn't exist with HoYo the way it does for companies who have or theoretically could overcome that hurdle through extensive relations with Nintendo externally (Cloud, Joker, Master Chief, whatever).

I think there's decent odds that it ends up on Switch 2 though, so... maybe we can address that when we get there, if Nintendo starts putting some strong emphasis on it. For now it feels a little like reaching for the next big thing on principle of it being a big thing and not because it makes any sense past that. As for how people would react to it, probably quite annoyingly.
I mean technically it was supposed to be since it was announced for the Switch like 5 years ago, but I imagine the Switch would have a hard time handling that so that may be what's taking so long and making Genshin on Nintendo systems a possible Switch 2 thing lol
 

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But I do think that a Mobile or F2P game, like League of Legends or Genshin Impact, is a bigger possibility than most people think or want to believe. Will it happen though is another question.
Yeah, those type of games are huge nowdays, it would make sense to add at least one, i guess it depends if Nintendo is interesteed or not at the moment, which is hard to say.

Sometimes the opposite since Smash is unpredictable in some cases.
Yep, i'm sure we'll get at least one or two characters that most people didn't saw coming, not necesarily another Piranha Plant, but something like a Rune Factory rep, Legend of Mana rep or Borderlands rep that isn't particulary expected by most people.
 

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I do not want Gacha games or games that focus on microtransactions represented in Smash Bros.
I don't wholly disagree on principle but I think dying on this hill would be foolish with how common microtransactions are in the industry. Feel like it's inevitable that we eventually get a game represented in Smash that doesn't perfectly align with your ideal ethics toward consumers... I mean, depending on who you ask, Nintendo themselves have already breached this trust. Even Smash itself depending on how we define microstransactions.
 
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Genshin is in a really weird spot, its incredibly popular and already has made its mark on the industry with countless imitators.

But to just feels like a weird pick despite how it would fit.

Like genshin has already proved that it has some staying power, separating it from flavor of the month gacha. But it hasn't quite hit the echelons of stuff like Granblue and Fate Grand order

But It's not as weird as some other very popular gacha in a similar spot like Azur Lane and Blue Archive.
 

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I don't wholly disagree on principle but I think dying on this hill would be foolish with how common microtransactions are in the industry. Feel like it's inevitable that we eventually get a game represented in Smash that doesn't perfectly align with your ideal ethics toward consumers... I mean, depending on who you ask, Nintendo themselves have already breached this trust. Even Smash itself depending on how we define microstransactions.
I personally don't see anything wrong with a character from a live service game, gacha game, or online-only game joining if the game is popular enough. Jinx, Sylvanas, or Aether/Lumine joining Smash Bros. wouldn't be any different than characters from non-live service game joining. At the end of the day, they'll just be from a live service game instead of a traditional game, that would be the only real diference in-game.

I mean, think of Ice Climbers, for example. I don't think most Ice Climbers players care for Ice Climbers the game, but they still like the character. You can dislike the League of Legends fandom and the microtransactions but still enjoy the content the series brings to Smash Bros.

Just my two cents. I know everyone has different opinions on the matter!
 

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I feel like my opinion on gacha game characters--why I don't necessarily think they're BAD choices but I don't know that I want to see them added to Smash as playable characters--is their temporary nature?

Like Aether/Lumine could definitely work and would definitely have moveset potential, but what happens when Genshin goes End of Service at some point and then we suddenly have a Smash character where their origin game just doesn't exist anymore (unless they make an offline version anyway).

Like Veronica from FE Heroes also has this issue, but now she's at least been a DLC character in Engage which will continue to exist even if Heroes doesn't, you know? lol

I loved Dragalia but even with that game, I was mostly just hoping they'd add the main group as Spirits using their splash art from in-game, which would've been kinda funny considering Spirits are also just PNGs lol
 
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I feel like my opinion on gacha game characters--why I don't necessarily think they're BAD choices but I don't know that I want to see them added to Smash as playable characters--is their temporary nature?

Like Aether/Lumine could definitely work and would definitely have moveset potential, but what happens when Genshin goes End of Service at some point and then we suddenly have a Smash character where their origin game just doesn't exist anymore (unless they make an offline version anyway).

Like Veronica from FE Heroes also has this issue, but now she's at least been a DLC character in Engage which will continue to exist even if Heroes doesn't, you know? lol
Genshin having an EoS sounds very far-off, but I think it's likely it'll get an offline version like what happened with Mega Man X Dive.
 

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Genshin having an EoS sounds very far-off, but I think it's likely it'll get an offline version like what happened with Mega Man X Dive.
I mean it's definitely likely a ways off and likely to get that, that's just my general personal opinions on gacha game characters, though a lot of the big names in the space have kind of already proved themselves as long running endeavors like FGO and Granblue lol
 

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I personally don't see anything wrong with a character from a live service game, gacha game, or online-only game joining if the game is popular enough. Jinx, Sylvanas, or Aether/Lumine joining Smash Bros. wouldn't be any different than characters from non-live service game joining. At the end of the day, they'll just be from a live service game instead of a traditional game, that would be the only real diference in-game.

I mean, think of Ice Climbers, for example. I don't think most Ice Climbers players care for Ice Climbers the game, but they still like the character. You can dislike the League of Legends fandom and the microtransactions but still enjoy the content the series brings to Smash Bros.

Just my two cents. I know everyone has different opinions on the matter!
I think the main thing is that Smash Bros is partly an advertisement for a lot of video game series as well, particularly third-party titles. So effectively advertising a game that is a gacha like Genshin Impact is just iffy to me, it's like if something you enjoyed started advertising gambling sites.

That being said, it will probably eventually happen with how big microtransactions are getting in the gaming industry. (I don't consider DLC to be microtransactions btw)
 

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I do not want Gacha games or games that focus on microtransactions represented in Smash Bros.
Basically my thoughts. No hate towards anyone who likes Genshin, I just don't jive at all with the way the game is set up and the kind of experience it provides.

Tbf, maybe it's just stigma coming from the community affecting my bias, in which case I'd be throwing some hefty stones from my glass house as a Minecraft/FNAF/Undertale fan, but I digress.

It ultimately comes down to whether the title has the kind of character Sakurai would want to include, or would be a game Nintendo wants to associate with.
 

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I think the main thing is that Smash Bros is partly an advertisement for a lot of video game series as well, particularly third-party titles. So effectively advertising a game that is a gacha like Genshin Impact is just iffy to me, it's like if something you enjoyed started advertising gambling sites.

That being said, it will probably eventually happen with how big microtransactions are getting in the gaming industry. (I don't consider DLC to be microtransactions btw)
Sure but FE and Pokemon both have ongoing gachas right now. Granted those both came long after both were added to Smash and they're not the sole identity of the series but the door's already been busted open from the inside all the same.

Best get ready for the triple reveal of Saber, Aoko and Arcueid :4wario2:
 

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I feel like my opinion on gacha game characters--why I don't necessarily think they're BAD choices but I don't know that I want to see them added to Smash as playable characters--is their temporary nature?

Like Aether/Lumine could definitely work and would definitely have moveset potential, but what happens when Genshin goes End of Service at some point and then we suddenly have a Smash character where their origin game just doesn't exist anymore (unless they make an offline version anyway).

Like Veronica from FE Heroes also has this issue, but now she's at least been a DLC character in Engage which will continue to exist even if Heroes doesn't, you know? lol

I loved Dragalia but even with that game, I was mostly just hoping they'd add the main group as Spirits using their splash art from in-game, which would've been kinda funny considering Spirits are also just PNGs lol
Fair enough.
Honestly, personally i don't think it would be that much of an issue, Genshin Impact fans will still exist and plenty of them will apreciate having stuff from their defunct game begin in Smash even if it's just Aether/Lumine, a stage, music and a few collectibles, it's not like Genshin Impact fans will suddenly forget Genshin and all the memories they made just because it shut downs.
For non-genshin fans it won't be much diferent than a character of a game they haven't played and have no interest in playing, i'm sure plenty of smash players have no interest in playing Gyromite and R.O.B is still there anyway.
Also, people play as characters of games they never played as well, like my friend mains Little Mac and he never played Punch-Out!! Same thing will happen with Aether/Lumine, we'll have A/L players that played their game and players that did not, just like almost every character.
 
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