Official Next Smash - Speculation & Discussion Thread

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Nintendo Switch 2 Has Games™

Just not necessarily Switch 2 ones.

Damn, can't believe Nintendo would copy Sony like that.

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

Ultimate Deluxe would be simple to develop because, well, it's already made, but it's a gamble whether it'll do well or be a massive flop.

I'm sure it would do well because presumably it'd have some new content in it to sweeten the deal a little.

With that said, I'm gonna keep saying what I've been saying for ages: Smash has NEVER done ports in its entire history, even when Smash 4 could have easily been ported to the Switch instead of making a new game, just like Mario Kart did.

There's zero reason to believe an Ultimate port is more likely than the team just making a new game.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

I'm sure it would do well because presumably it'd have some new content in it to sweeten the deal a little.

With that said, I'm gonna keep saying what I've been saying for ages: Smash has NEVER done ports in its entire history, even when Smash 4 could have easily been ported to the Switch instead of making a new game, just like Mario Kart did.

There's zero reason to believe an Ultimate port is more likely than the team just making a new game.

The Devil's Advocate in me is screaming that just because it never happened doesn't mean it never will.

But the truth is that Sakurai would rather slave his ass off making a new game than letting a port happen. It's literally how he made Brawl.

 

[BrawlX10]

Most people who would want Ultimate already own it at this point. I'm shocked people still genuinely believe a port is in the cards.

To be fair, my friend made a good point today, he feels like if we were to get a Ultimate Deluxe, he feels like we would still be getting fighters in vanilla Ultimate even if it's just 2 of them every year or so, kind of gives the impresion that they're done with Ultimate since they stoped the DLC money flowing for nearly 4 years.
But i'm still not completely ruling out a Ultimate Deluxe, yeah i might seem stubborn, but it's Nintendo, they're unpredictable at points.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

But i'm still not completely ruling out a Ultimate Deluxe, yeah i might seem stubborn, but it's Nintendo, they're unpredictable at points.

Unpredictability isn't the only thing they're good at; learning from their mistakes is another skill of theirs and I doubt they ignored how badly Bowser's Inside Story's remake did, even with the expectation that it would not do well due to being a poorly-marketed 3DS game long after the Switch came out.

And they're probably smart enough to realize that making a port of a game for a system that already supports the original, especially one that's a high risk like Ultimate because if any involved company says no it's all over, is too much of a gamble to the point where a new game is the safer, albeit costlier option.

 

[Ivander]

So besides the usual things like a new 3D Mario, a new Legend of Zelda and a new Smash Bros, what are you looking forward to most for the Switch 2 Direct?

• New IP announcements?
• Possible revivals of old IPs?
• Third Party titles?
• Maybe even a 3rd Party title exclusive to the new system, whether it's a straight-forward exclusive, a Nintendo title developed by a 3rd Party like Bandai Namco(like Pokken or New Pokemon Snap) or Koei Tecmo(like Hyrule and Fire Emblem Warriors), or maybe even a title funded by Nintendo, similar to Bayonetta 2 & 3 or some of the timed Square-Enix titles like Octopath, Bravely Default or the Live a Live remake?

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

So besides the usual things like a new 3D Mario, a new Legend of Zelda and a new Smash Bros, what are you looking forward to most for the Switch 2 Direct?

• New IP announcements?
• Possible revivals of old IPs?
• Third Party titles?
• Maybe even a 3rd Party title exclusive to the new system, whether it's a straight-forward exclusive, a Nintendo title developed by a 3rd Party like Bandai Namco(like Pokken or New Pokemon Snap) or Koei Tecmo(like Hyrule and Fire Emblem Warriors), or maybe even a title funded by Nintendo, similar to Bayonetta 2 & 3 or some of the timed Square-Enix titles like Octopath, Bravely Default or the Live a Live remake?

I wouldn't actually expect a new Zelda tbh, unless it's a spinoff.

We got Tears of the Kingdom in 2023 and Echoes of Wisdom in 2024. I think Zelda can skip a year and still be fine.

 

[cashregister9]

So besides the usual things like a new 3D Mario, a new Legend of Zelda and a new Smash Bros, what are you looking forward to most for the Switch 2 Direct?

• New IP announcements?
• Possible revivals of old IPs?
• Third Party titles?
• Maybe even a 3rd Party title exclusive to the new system, whether it's a straight-forward exclusive, a Nintendo title developed by a 3rd Party like Bandai Namco(like Pokken or New Pokemon Snap) or Koei Tecmo(like Hyrule and Fire Emblem Warriors), or maybe even a title funded by Nintendo, similar to Bayonetta 2 & 3 or some of the timed Square-Enix titles like Octopath, Bravely Default or the Live a Live remake?

At this point I think I am most excited for the console UI and how the game cases look

 

[Ivander]

I wouldn't actually expect a new Zelda tbh, unless it's a spinoff.

Or the fabled Wind Waker HD and Twilight Princess HD RE-Remasters.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Or the fabled Wind Waker HD and Twilight Princess HD RE-Remasters.

LET'S ****ING GO! MORE TINGLE!

 

[Noipoi]

So besides the usual things like a new 3D Mario, a new Legend of Zelda and a new Smash Bros, what are you looking forward to most for the Switch 2 Direct?

• New IP announcements?
• Possible revivals of old IPs?
• Third Party titles?
• Maybe even a 3rd Party title exclusive to the new system, whether it's a straight-forward exclusive, a Nintendo title developed by a 3rd Party like Bandai Namco(like Pokken or New Pokemon Snap) or Koei Tecmo(like Hyrule and Fire Emblem Warriors), or maybe even a title funded by Nintendo, similar to Bayonetta 2 & 3 or some of the timed Square-Enix titles like Octopath, Bravely Default or the Live a Live remake?

A new 3D Mario is my absolute most anticipated announcement for this direct. But aside from that I also really want to see something new for Donkey Kong. Though considering we just got Returns HD, it may be too soon.

Maybe a port of the Wind Waker port? A port port? Or maybe GameCube games on NSO, that’d be cool.

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

So besides the usual things like a new 3D Mario, a new Legend of Zelda and a new Smash Bros, what are you looking forward to most for the Switch 2 Direct?

• New IP announcements?
• Possible revivals of old IPs?
• Third Party titles?
• Maybe even a 3rd Party title exclusive to the new system, whether it's a straight-forward exclusive, a Nintendo title developed by a 3rd Party like Bandai Namco(like Pokken or New Pokemon Snap) or Koei Tecmo(like Hyrule and Fire Emblem Warriors), or maybe even a title funded by Nintendo, similar to Bayonetta 2 & 3 or some of the timed Square-Enix titles like Octopath, Bravely Default or the Live a Live remake?

Honestly, I'm fully expecting at least one IP revival. The Switch has been doing a lot of that and I could see that continuing going forwards thanks to its successes.

I could also see a new IP possibly show up, though I'm feeling that one slightly less.

Another thing I'm surprisingly kinda feeling COULD be there is Luigi's Mansion 4. After 3's success, Nintendo buying Next Level Games, and it having been three years since Mario Strikers Battle League, I could see that being their next project. Dark Moon HD maybe puts a damper on that, but it depends, since I don't know if NLG were involved with that, since Mario Wiki lists it as being developed by a group called Tantalus Media.

 

[BrawlX10]

But the truth is that Sakurai would rather slave his ass off making a new game than letting a port happen. It's literally how he made Brawl.

I think it's diferent this time around, the potential of 10 or more cuts might make Sakurai and Nintendo think twice, if t's worth it to make a new game and potentially upset people, realistically Smash 6 and Ultimate Deluxe would sell similary, so it's more if they choose to continue the series with Smash 6 or make Ultimate a live-service of sorts like League of Legends or Overwatch 2 with new characters coming periodically every year, in my opinion.
I think they'll pick a new game, but i don't think it's the only option this time around.
I do hope we get a new game, Ultimate is awesome but i'm not sure if i want to play it for 15+ years with no new game in the horizon....personally.

 

[Guynamednelson]

realistically Smash 6 and Ultimate Deluxe would sell similary

Smash 6 wouldn't have people going "but I already got Ultimate for my Switch, why should I need to rebuy it?"

 

[Hadokeyblade]

I'm sure it would do well because presumably it'd have some new content in it to sweeten the deal a little.

With that said, I'm gonna keep saying what I've been saying for ages: Smash has NEVER done ports in its entire history, even when Smash 4 could have easily been ported to the Switch instead of making a new game, just like Mario Kart did.

There's zero reason to believe an Ultimate port is more likely than the team just making a new game.

It would also be really redundant since the Switch 2 can run the game already.

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

so it's more if they choose to continue the series with Smash 6 or make Ultimate a live-service of sorts like League of Legends or Overwatch 2 with new characters coming periodically every year, in my opinion.

There's a big difference between "Ultimate Deluxe" and "make Ultimate a live-service game" and making Smash Bros a live service in the same vein as LoL or Overwatch 2, even just as a thought, fills me with vitriol and anger, especially just after Multiversus burned to the ground lmao

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

LET'S ****ING GO! MORE TINGLE!

I just wanted them all in the US. Albeit, I get why Rosee Rupeeland isn't worldwide... except only Europe is where it's an issue. It not coming to the US is silly b now. The other two don't have an excuse for not being a EU release, though. Like, I get it. Back then Tingle hit a pretty bad low for a while in the US specifically. Now? Things changed. So porting them over isn't an issue any longer. He was only pretty bad in Wind Waker at best. The other Zelda games toned back his abrasiveness and focused on him still being greedy, but overall a pleasant fellow and helpful sometimes too. He's great in Minish Cap, for instance.

It may help that WW is the only timeline he's a jerkass, so.

 

[BrawlX10]

Smash 6 wouldn't have people going "but I already got Ultimate for my Switch, why should I need to rebuy it?"

No, but you would have "Why would i buy this game if its inferior to Ultimate?" if there's cuts.
People are going to complain regardless is if Ultimate Deluxe or Smash 6, but i personally think Ultimate Deluxe will get less hate, though.

 

[Perkilator]

So besides the usual things like a new 3D Mario, a new Legend of Zelda and a new Smash Bros, what are you looking forward to most for the Switch 2 Direct?

More info on the upcoming Mario Kart game, along with seeing the potential for mouse controls in general. There’s just so many ideas for such a control style.

 

[Guynamednelson]

but i personally think Ultimate Deluxe will get less hate, though.

It may not necessarily be hated, but people will dislike the idea of paying $60 for barely any more content. There's a reason why traditional fighters stopped doing Champion/Turbo/etc. versions.

 

[BackseatSakurai]

No, but you would have "Why would i buy this game if its inferior to Ultimate?" if there's cuts.
People are going to complain regardless is if Ultimate Deluxe or Smash 6, but i personally think Ultimate Deluxe will get less hate, though.

Someone said it a while ago ITT, but I think they're just going to tease a new game and start the entire hype cycle without explicitly saying there's cuts. It'll be closer to pre-Ultimate rollouts for the games where they'll just keep us in the dark about veterans and stuff, and by the time we know the final roster everyone will be bamboozled and mesmerized by newcomers and ready to buy the game regardless. Will probably still get backlash but will smooth it out via a dripfeed of disappointment rather than a big impact.

 

[BrawlX10]

I think the general audiencie had a problem envisioning Smash after Ultimate as well, peraphs if they reveal Smash 6 with brand new engine, a new battlefield, a new Mario model or something, people will get more comfortable with it, but i don't know.
Honestly, maybe they should relly on having Isaac, Waluigi, Bandana Dee and some highly requested 3rdparty newcomer in the base game like Dante or Sans to draw people in as well.

 

[Dukefire]

I think the general audiencie had a problem envisioning Smash after Ultimate as well, peraphs if they reveal Smash 6 with brand new engine, a new battlefield, a new Mario model or something, people will get more comfortable with it, but i don't know.
Honestly, maybe they should relly on having Isaac, Waluigi, Bandana Dee and some highly requested 3rdparty newcomer in the base game like Dante or Sans to draw people in as well.

Sakurai is the wild card as Smash Bros is his life's work. Though, those characters are possible since the heavy hitters are already used during Ultimate's cycle.

We shall see in due time.

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

Someone said it a while ago ITT, but I think they're just going to tease a new game and start the entire hype cycle without explicitly saying there's cuts. It'll be closer to pre-Ultimate rollouts for the games where they'll just keep us in the dark about veterans and stuff, and by the time we know the final roster everyone will be bamboozled and mesmerized by newcomers and ready to buy the game regardless. Will probably still get backlash but will smooth it out via a dripfeed of disappointment rather than a big impact.

Not to mention veteran DLC to smooth it out further, most likely, since Smash is no stranger to veteran DLC.

 

[BrawlX10]

Not to mention veteran DLC to smooth it out further, most likely, since Smash is no stranger to veteran DLC.

I just hope they pick the "right" DLC veterans, at least, priorizing the popular ones that got cut.
Like if they bring back Pichu as DLC if Lucas or Wolf are missing it might not go very well with the general fanbase.
Same if they bring back Piranha Plant as DLC if Palutena or R.O.B. are missing would also not go very well with the general fanbase either.
Not saying any of those will get cut, just hypoteticals.

 

[Hadokeyblade]

I just hope they pick the "right" DLC veterans, at least, priorizing the popular ones that got cut.
Like if they bring back Pichu as DLC if Lucas or Wolf are missing it might not go very well with the general fanbase.
Same if they bring back Piranha Plant as DLC if Palutena or R.O.B. are missing would also not go very well with the general fanbase either.
Not saying any of those will get cut, just hypoteticals.

Im now picturing them bringing back Pichu as DLC just because Sakurai would think it's funny

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Im now picturing them bringing back Pichu as DLC just because Sakurai would think it's funny

And he would be right. It would be funny

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

I just hope they pick the "right" DLC veterans, at least, priorizing the popular ones that got cut.
Like if they bring back Pichu as DLC if Lucas or Wolf are missing it might not go very well with the general fanbase.
Same if they bring back Piranha Plant as DLC if Palutena or R.O.B. are missing would also not go very well with the general fanbase either.
Not saying any of those will get cut, just hypoteticals.

I mean I would assume, depending on how deep the cuts are, that unique movesets would be prioritized for the sake of making it more worthwhile, sort of like how Mewtwo was the first Smash 4 DLC character.

No idea how priority would play into it beyond that, but that's my assumption.

 

[Perkilator]

More info on the upcoming Mario Kart game, along with seeing the potential for mouse controls in general. There’s just so many ideas for such a control style.

In fact, I know you said "besides the usual things like a 3D Mario," but I figured now was a good time to share my idea for a 3D Mario built around mouse controls:

Super Mario Canvas

A 3D platformer where Mario uses mouse controls to use the environment around him as his canvas (like drawing a temporary platform, for example). King Watinga is the main villain, using other robotic bugs as his army. A mode based on Mario Paint for SNES also appears as a side mode.

 

[CosmicEternity44]

Speaking of mouse controls, do you all think they could work like the stylus of the Nintendo DS and 3DS? Maybe we can get some games from both of the two old systems in the Switch 2's NSO?

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Speaking of mouse controls, do you all think they could work like the stylus of the Nintendo DS and 3DS? Maybe we can get some games from both of the two old systems in the Switch 2's NSO?

The dual screen would be tricky so I don't think the ports would be 1:1

With that said, Phantom Hourglass remake that makes the Ocean King Temple less annoying would go so hard.

 

[DragonRobotKing26]

Speaking of mouse controls, do you all think they could work like the stylus of the Nintendo DS and 3DS? Maybe we can get some games from both of the two old systems in the Switch 2's NSO?

probably it could work like a computer on some games that can have this technique

 

[Hadokeyblade]

More info on the upcoming Mario Kart game, along with seeing the potential for mouse controls in general. There’s just so many ideas for such a control style.

Like ports of the Professor Layton games.

 

[CosmicEternity44]

The dual screen would be tricky so I don't think the ports would be 1:1

With that said, Phantom Hourglass remake that makes the Ocean King Temple less annoying would go so hard.

I thought so. Somehow, though, I had to post what I said about the DS and 3DS just because of the mouse controls.

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

Speaking of mouse controls, do you all think they could work like the stylus of the Nintendo DS and 3DS? Maybe we can get some games from both of the two old systems in the Switch 2's NSO?

I said it a bit back, but since I got Rhythm Heaven coming already, I'm hoping now for a Fossil Fighters sequel using the mouse controls for fossil excavation lol

 

[Perkilator]

In his GVG video about DS games with mouse controls, Jon Cartwright uses a template from the Wii U's DS emulator as a mock-up for how DS games could look on NSO. I feel like the mock-up paints a reasonable picture (no pun intended) of how to make such an idea work.

 

[Dukefire]

probably it could work like a computer on some games that can have this technique

It could also allow people to use the Switch 2 like a PC computer game. FPS games does benefit since it allows more accurate aim.

 

[CosmicEternity44]

It could also allow people to use the Switch 2 like a PC computer game. FPS games does benefit since it allows more accurate aim.

Looks like Valve and their Steam PC thing might have some competition!

 

[Perkilator]

It could also allow people to use the Switch 2 like a PC computer game. FPS games does benefit since it allows more accurate aim.

And it could also be used for light gun games like House of the Dead, and you could probably use both Joy-Cons to do 2-player co-op by yourself!

 

[RileyXY1]

It may not necessarily be hated, but people will dislike the idea of paying $60 for barely any more content. There's a reason why traditional fighters stopped doing Champion/Turbo/etc. versions.

And why Pokémon abandoned third versions entirely in favor of DLC expansions.