Official Next Smash - Speculation & Discussion Thread

[Ivander]

The fact that switch 2 games physically are 90 dollars is crazy to me imagine paying 90 bucks for a mario golf game insane ****

Me, who's Canadian:

Trust me, you are lucky compared to how much we suckers will have to pay for both the system and a game.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

If we're talkin' wheelchair basket ballers, I would be much more interested in Fabio from Begone Beast. That game looks fun as heck.

 

[BritishGuy54]

So apparently some Switch-games will receive an update to add features or performance boost from Switch 2:

They’re gonna add the microphone fan platforms back into Super Mario 3D World. That is all.

 

[pitchfulprocessing]

I can't wait for John Duskbloods to have a reveal trailer where he says his famous line, "Every bloods has its dusk".

 

[SubspaceJigglypuff]

This is gonna be the first game to sell negative copies

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

Really?? Well, I guess the Forgotten Land expansion is a guarantee for me now.

My bad still, this was deconfirmed - though I found this news instead:

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10-15 a little OK, especially for some of the additional stuff.

Also:

So apparently some Switch-games will receive an update to add features or performance boost from Switch 2:

 

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This is gonna be the first game to sell negative copies

This is maybe the most baffling announcement in the entire direct, even including the 90 dollar Mario Kart. Literally who on earth is going to buy this lol

 

[ivanlerma]

So now that Sega is bringing Yakuza to Nintendo how do we feel about Yakuza joining smash bros?

Personally i think it's gonna happen now,

Nah, it'd be wrong for Kiryu to get in a fighting game were he has to beat up girls.

 

[BrawlX10]

I think the fact that we know the deadline isn't 2021 or 2022 is a huge deal.This Means chracther that missed the 2021 or 2022 zone have a chance now

Honestly, in hindsight a Smash Bros game having a 4+ year development cycle was kinda weird, not impossible, but weird.
If we end up getting a new game, then the deead line is probably somewhere in 2024, peraphs mid or late 2024.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

This is gonna be the first game to sell negative copies

Whaaaaaat? Are you saying you don't want to purchase an ad?

Might make for a neat stage for people who like stages that take place on the console they're playing on though.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

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This is gonna be the first game to sell negative copies

Are you kidding? This is going to be the first ever video game to sell well over one tourillian copies.

 

[PlasmaDam]

Not that I really care that much But I wonder if they are gonna go with a gen 10 pokemon instead and gen 9 will be skipped

 

[Thegameandwatch]

Switch 2 is fine but it’s too expansive and I was surprised that there wasn’t any 3D Mario. Especially since it’s the anniversary of the series.

I think lot of the first party reveals were great. Kirby Air Riders probably means that Smash isn’t releasing anytime soon but it will still happen eventually. At least Sakurai is back to Kirby which is great.

Mario Kart’s roster is probably the most surprising since I think most people were somewhat conservative with their choices outside of the occasional Goomba.

Say, do you all think a Direct will happen in June? I am not expecting Smash news then, but just curious.

I think that’s likely or at least in the summer in general

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Wasn't Studio S fully formed in 2024? Even if we go by when they started recruiting that still would put the plan at 2023 at the earliest I'd imagine, which would include XC3, Pikmin 4, and the like.

I never remember these things fully. Although, assuming Sakurai was able to helm that title that would mean that 2027 is a very likely launch year for next Smash.

This kinda does assume that Kirby Air Riders was finishing up development as early as 2023 though...Maybe only preliminary stuff was done that year and development only started in earnest in 2024?

 

[Speed Weed]

So now that Sega is bringing Yakuza to Nintendo how do we feel about Yakuza joining smash bros?

Personally i think it's gonna happen now,

I would rather have like 20 other SEGA characters but I acknowledge it's probably the likeliest one of them

 

[Slime Scholar]

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This is gonna be the first game to sell negative copies

It’s so strange to me that this isn’t a pack-in game.

Wii Sports sold consoles. And for all the Wii U’s faults, Nintendoland was a great demonstration of what the system was capable of, even if many of its best and most original ideas didn’t see any follow-ups. But I don’t think I’d really want to pay for a tech demo like this, especially since it looks so much less interesting than the others I just mentioned.

Direct was good otherwise. Unfortunate, although entirely predictable that the price would be a sticking point for a lot of people. But at least the games looked good.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Not that I really care that much But I wonder if they are gonna go with a gen 10 pokemon instead and gen 9 will be skipped

If we're correct about a 2023 project plan (this is apparantly when Studio S, which is rumored to be the Smash team, was formed) and 2027 release date then it will very likely be a gen 10 starter since it'll be like Greninja where their game releases a year before Smash, which is early enough to be included on a spot reservation.

 

[Kirby Dragons]

By the way, I may as well ask... what do we think of Drag & Drive representation in the future of Smash Bros.?

I think we need more than one trailer to be able to decide anything.

 

[WeirdChillFever]

Smash not being the directly-post-Ultimate Sakurai project bodes well for some of my faves and could give the next game some sense of identity by being able to pull some fresher faces into the mix. Idc if HoopPaul’s Drag X Race flops, it’s a character design I would love to see in Smash.

 

[BrawlX10]

Not that I really care that much But I wonder if they are gonna go with a gen 10 pokemon instead and gen 9 will be skipped

Depends when Smash 6 project plan enters development and if Smash 6 will release after Gen 10 or not, which probably will, i can see Smash 6 releasing in like early/mid 2027, if it started in like 2024.

Smash not being the directly-post-Ultimate Sakurai project bodes well for some of my faves and could give the next game some sense of identity by being able to pull some fresher faces into the mix. Idc if HoopPaul’s Drag X Race flops, it’s a character design I would love to see in Smash.

I think at very least anyone before like late 2024 is posible, after that is a big ???, since smash games generally have 2 years of development time. I always thought it would be weird that Smash 6 would enter in development in 2021 and have like over 5 years of development time., also no Alear, Nioh/Mio or Oatchi would've been odd, in my opinion.

 

[Guynamednelson]

I never remember these things fully. Although, assuming Sakurai was able to helm that title that would mean that 2027 is a very likely launch year for next Smash.

This kinda does assume that Kirby Air Riders was finishing up development as early as 2023 though...Maybe only preliminary stuff was done that year and development only started in earnest in 2024?

If it's not going to be available on the Switch 2's launch I can't imagine it already finished development in 2023. If anything I think it'd start after development on Return to Dream Land DX finished, since I think a game like Air Ride 2 would only need 2.5 years of development at best.

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

I've come to expect baffling Nintendo decisions at certain points so the tech demo you pay for basically got a shrug out of me. Without a Reggie to convince higher ups to include it with the system (like he did for Wii Sports in the US) you get stuff like this.

As far as the game prices, its distressing news, but I've also become someone playing more indie games on the Switch anyway, so this'll basically be me becoming a bit more selective with first party selections and really paying attention to digital sales from indie companies and third parties.

Mario Kart World looks incredible, though having so many mooks and Kongs just feels silly. Hopefully the Treehouse and further announcements will shed some light on the roster and (as someone not buying Switch 2 till DK Bonanza's release at the earliest) I might just ended up waiting to see what updates it gets.

With regard to Smash I think it's way too early to make hard pronouncements about sequel releases. I was not expecting anything this year even before the Air Riders reveal as given MK World's release, it makes far more sense to have SSB6 late next year at the earliest. Let MK, Pokémon, DK, and others drive this year's stuff and then go big with something like a Smash sequel in 2026 or 2027.

 

[Noipoi]

Not that I really care that much But I wonder if they are gonna go with a gen 10 pokemon instead and gen 9 will be skipped

Most likely. Paldea gets added to the “at least you’ll have Pokeball summons!” club along with Galar and Hisui.

As soon as Gen 10 comes out it’s gonna be fun to try and narrow down who’s gonna get the nod. And pretty boring once we realize it’s just one of the starters again.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

If it's not going to be available on the Switch 2's launch I can't imagine it already finished development in 2023. If anything I think it'd start after development on Return to Dream Land DX finished, since I think a game like Air Ride 2 would only need 2.5 years of development at best.

It wouldn't have been finished, but the idea is that it might have been finished enough for the director to not have as much to do, allowing them to work on something else at the same time.


EDIT: Unrelated, but I think Moo Moo Meadows and Maple Treeway can be added to the retro track list. I'm a bit more sketchy on Maple Treeway because it isn't autumn there, but the track concept of a giant tree accosted with Wigglers feels at least very similar.

 

[DarthEnderX]

I just realized the download code carts are going to kill my Gamefly rentals...

You know, I was also hoping to see Melee as one of those GameCube games but I knew that would have been too good to be true.

I can't imagine getting Melee before getting 64.

 

[BrawlX10]

It wouldn't have been finished, but the idea is that it might have been finished enough for the director to not have as much to do, allowing them to work on something else at the same time.

Eitherway i think 2027 is about right for Smash 6, even if it started development in 2024, that would still be 3 years.
Wii U released in 2012 and Smash 4 in 2014. Switch 2 releasing in 2025 and Smash 6 in 2027 is not that farfetche'd in my opinion.

 

[NotGenerico]

If we're correct about a 2023 project plan (this is apparantly when Studio S, which is rumored to be the Smash team, was formed) and 2027 release date then it will very likely be a gen 10 starter since it'll be like Greninja where their game releases a year before Smash, which is early enough to be included on a spot reservation.

There's evidence that Studio 2 existed all the way back in 2022 (Bandai Namco has an interview with a Studio 2 member dated September 2022 on their website), so Studio S might have existed back then, too. Who knows at this point. I'll just wait until the next Smash Bros gets officially announced. I think the timeline for everything should become much clearer when that happens.

 

[GoldenYuiitusin]

Most likely. Paldea gets added to the “at least you’ll have Pokeball summons!” club along with Galar and Hisui.

As soon as Gen 10 comes out it’s gonna be fun to try and narrow down who’s gonna get the nod. And pretty boring once we realize it’s just one of the starters again.

Fun up until people just default to "Weedrat Final Evo" like they always do whenever we first see the base Grass starter and treat it as a lock.

 

[BrawlX10]

There's evidence that Studio 2 existed all the way back in 2022 (Bandai Namco has an interview with a Studio 2 member dated September 2022 on their website), so Studio S might have existed back then, too. Who knows at this point. I'll just wait until the next Smash Bros gets officially announced. I think the timeline for everything should become much clearer when that happens.

Honestly i think it's going to be similar to Smash 4's timeline. Relasing 2 years after the console release, and like one year of pre-release content.
Maybe Ultimate was really a special case.

 

[Noipoi]

Fun up until people just default to "Weedrat Final Evo" like they always do whenever we first see the base Grass starter and treat it as a lock.

Weedrat fans and Wolfblaze fans fighting over who gets in Smash (Slugnificent fans are just happy to be here)

 

[Kirby Dragons]

Skipping Galar, Hisui and Paldea is disappointing, but I would keep up hope we get a popular pick from one of those regions as a second Pokemon newcomer, after the Gen 10 newcomer.

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

At this point, all I'm really hoping for in terms of Gen 9 content is a stage, like how Smash 4 had Unova League and Kalos League.

So Area Zero and then something from Gen 10 to go with the newcomer that gets added.

 

[dezeray112]

Aaand its region locked again. Hooray...

Cheaper in Japan too, $334-5ish.

Hmm....when I checked on the Nintendo (Japanese website when translated) there are two different versions in which one is the Japanese/Domestic only console costs 49,980 yen and the other is a multilingual console costs 69,990 yen which is almost 20,000 yen more than the Japanese/Domestic only console.

But when I checked on the FAQs section, it seems like it mentioned that the Japanese/Domestic only console does not play overseas games in which is what I assume that this version is region locked and can only play Japanese games only. So does this mean that it is the Japanese/Domestic only console that is region locked and the multilingual console is region free?

This is why I'm getting quite confused with this in which I do hope Nintendo or someone can at least provide further clarification on this or correct me if any of the details I said are incorrect or am I missing something?

 

[Hadokeyblade]

Either Area Zero as a stage or Screamtail as a Jigglypuff echo seems like the easiest solution.

 

[BrawlX10]

A bit of trivia, the time gap between Ultimate and today is bigger now than the time gap between Melee and Brawl, kinda wild.
By the way, does anyone knows the exact development time each smash game took, for comparision?

 

[RileyXY1]

Gen 10 might even be skipped if they go the route of a new game and not an Ultimate port.

 

[Noipoi]

Gen 10 might even be skipped if they go the route of a new game and not an Ultimate port.

Why?

If Gen 10 drops in 2026 and Smash 6 comes out in 2027/8/whatever, what are they gonna skip Gen 10 for? We’d still be in Gen 10.

 

[ivanlerma]

Now that the dust is settled, what chances you give to those:

. We get both a Ultimate Switch 2 upgrade and a Smash 6
. We get only a Smash 6 and no Ultimate upgrade
. We only get a Ultimate upgrade and no Smash 6

We can do both for the best worlds, or just focus on a port of ultimate before moving to the next smash game.

 

[RileyXY1]

Why?

If Gen 10 drops in 2026 and Smash 6 comes out in 2027/8/whatever, what are they gonna skip Gen 10 for? We’d still be in Gen 10.

I think that the new game will actually come out in 2029 or 2030, whereupon Gen 11 will get the newcomer slot instead.

 

[Gorgonzales]

Jeez......now getting physical copies are becoming even more restrictive to buy one to own forever. Why?

You will own nothing and you will like it.